/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2394682]

What was up with the limited number of colours for sprites on the ngpc? Is it because the system's hardware wasn't properly upgraded between the black and white and colour versions?

[Anonymous No.2394690]

It had the power of a marginally sophisticated pocket watch, what did you suspect?

[Anonymous No.2394693]

>>2394690
>but muh 16 BIT CPU
>muh Pocket Power

[Anonymous No.2394706]

>>2394690
So that makes the GBC...a pocket watch?

[Anonymous No.2394741]

>>2394682
It was basically the same kind of leap as the Gameboy to the Gameboy Color.

[Anonymous No.2394897]

Looks like 2bit per pixel.
The background might also be 2bit, I don't know if any 8x8 section exceeds 4 colors

[Anonymous No.2394904]

3 colors + transparency per sprite
isnt that the same as an nes?

[Anonymous No.2394906]

I don't know about the tech aspects but I was always under the impression the ngp games played a lot better than on gbc.
More fluid, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.2394907]

>>2394906
In fact, they often play better than their gba counterparts.

[Anonymous No.2394915]

>>2394904
I love the old days of SD-ified characters in portable games.

[Anonymous No.2394921]

>>2394907
>>2394906
It wouldn't be unheard of for a rival portable to be packing more powerful hardware.

[Anonymous No.2394929]

>>2394921
it did come out much later after all

[Anonymous No.2394943]

>>2394897
maybe it was just the fact that one of the colors was white makes it look washed out. if so it was a bad art design choice

[Anonymous No.2395057]

>>2394915
Still happens sometimes. I think the 3DS version of Atelier Rorona is SD too.

[Anonymous No.2395070]

NGPC is probably my favorite handheld. Sold mine but had so much fun with it as a kid. Had a small library, but the 10 or so games I had were fantastic. I think it had a lot to do with the fluidity of the game that another anon pointed out.

[Anonymous No.2395105]

I think they could do 4 colors per sprite and I know this from playing the Sonic game, but the fighting games had so many characters so they probably had to tone it down.

[Anonymous No.2395354]

looks like the white skin in kof was a choice not a fault, remember its a reflective type display so screenshot colors looks different to the real thing

[Anonymous No.2395371]

>>2395105

Sonic probably did the same trick as the NES Mega Man games - two or more separate sprites of 3 colors, each with their own palette.

Another trick is to use the background to display a moving object instead of the sprite - again, Mega Man did this will most minibosses. You can usually tell when a game does this because it'll have a simple black background.

[Anonymous No.2395395]

>>2395354
They also had to have an alternate palette for player 2 and keep it backwards compatible with the black and white console model.

[Anonymous No.2395653]

>>2394693
40 hours of continous play!!
Is that true?

[Anonymous No.2396062]

>>2395653
i had a ngpc for a while and i can honestly say 40 hours sounds like even less than you should get. i've gamed like crazy on them for weeks.

p.s. everyone should play snk vs. capcom: cardfighters clash

[Anonymous No.2396182]

>>2396062
Capcom or SNK version?

[Anonymous No.2396186]

>>2396062
either is fine, i had snk version growing up but when i emulate i do capcom because i like capcom characters more. it's just a few different cards depending on which version.

[Anonymous No.2397108]

>>2396182
SNK has the cooler characters, obviously.
Otherwise the games are basically the same, and pretty damn fun too.

[Anonymous No.2397145]

>>2395070
>>2394682
i have a disc full of NGPC roms. i think it should be every game ever released including a handful of english translated games. can't get all of them to work with the emulator that came with it. evolution for example won't work pass the first dungeon. biomotor is beatable but some of the colors are fucked up. didn't really bother trying out all the roms though beause moonrunes. there even seems to be some kinda house sim where you raise a little grill??

what's the best emulator for NGPC?

[Anonymous No.2397158]

>>2396062
nice I will try that game on my psp Go

[Anonymous No.2397216]

>>2395653
It's probably a bit of exaggeration. I did get one full day(24 hours) on my match of the millennium with almost no idle time, though. I really wanted to get the platinum ranks on the olympic.

>Karen and Rimururu both go from treating player like a total shitbag to wanting the D in two minutes as soon as winning a medal

[Anonymous No.2397249]

>>2397145
Right now Mednafen or Retroarch's port of their NGPC core are probably the best for playing, everything else except MESS has been dead for years

MESS is also a good option (and has a good debugger if that's useful to you) but there are some noticeable issues with the sound emulation; for an example, compare how Geese's theme song in SNK vs Capcom sounds in Mednafen/Retroarch vs MESS and notice how some instruments are conspicuously absent in MESS

Right now I don't think any current emulators support 2-player which is a shame; the only one I saw that claims to (haven't tested to confirm) is Koyote which is extremely dated

[Anonymous No.2397390]

>>2397249
retroarch is bloated as fuck. stop shilling that shit already! anyone who reccommends retroarch should insta-banned!

mednafen just uses an old buggy version of neopop. why the fuck is that good?

and apparently my version of koyote is newer than the last version of neopop, but more unstable.

can't find shit on mess's website though. looks like they're trying to make MESS do too much like MAME.
http://www.mess.org/

[Anonymous No.2398224]

>>2395371
>Sonic probably did the same trick as the NES Mega Man games - two or more separate sprites of 3 colors, each with their own palette.
That's exactly what it does.

>>2394943
White has higher contrast, which makes things pop more on the non-backlit screen.

>>2394906
NGPC's got a much better CPU and has a separate Z80 CPU for sound (the GBC runs everything on its one slow not-quite-a-Z80).
It's in this middling sort of power-class between an 8-bit home console and a 16-bit home console in terms of CPU power.

It's a significantly better machine than the GBC, but significantly weaker than the GBA.

>>2394907
which isn't so much to do with power as it is to do with quality of game design
I'm still amazed at how much better the NGPC KOF games are than the GBA ones.

SNK really fucking tried with the NGPC. God, now this is a machine that didn't deserve to fail.

[Anonymous No.2398234]

>>2398224
>SNK really fucking tried with the NGPC. God, now this is a machine that didn't deserve to fail.
SNK really fucking tried at everything.
That's a company that didn't deserve to fail at anything.

: (

[Anonymous No.2398663]

>>2398224
Gals Fighter is incredible and probably the best pre-PSP handheld fighter around even if it goes heavy on Marvel levels of cheese, it's a shame there's currently no good way to netplay it in emulator

KOF R2 is good but still suffers from some finicky inputs that were improved a bit in MOTM and finally solved in Gals (shorthopping for example is a lot easier to do consistently on demand in Gals), Samsho on NGPC feels "okay" (didn't really grab me though) but I'm not sure why there's so much praise for NGPC Last Blade when it frankly feels like a huge step back from the games that preceded it

[Anonymous No.2398795]

>>2398663
samurai shadow 2 is great, (that hanzo slash)

[Anonymous No.2400020]

Is there a good flash cart for these?

[Anonymous No.2400023]

>>2400020
http://www.flashmasta.com/

There's also the old Bung flashcarts but I don't see why you'd opt for those over something that's currently being made and supported

[Anonymous No.2400046]

game sack did a great episode on the neo geo pocket very recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1aL67idCl4

[Anonymous No.2400056]

>>2397390
retroarch is....bloated? the libreto emulator bundle? what does bloat even mean in that context?

i mean, the retroarch port runs on 700mhz raspberry pis!!

[Anonymous No.2402547]

>>2400056
The last time I tried to download retroarch,its mirrored server is fuckin slow and when I installed it it gave me a big NOPE! because I have an integrated intel chip for graphics. You fucking lie, shill faggot master!

[Anonymous No.2402587]

>>2400056
>>2397249
Reminder that Squarepusher and his shills are < shit and should go jump in an oven built by Bill Gates.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/761379/how-do-i-get-retroarch-to-work-/?offset=5


>inb4 /leddit/
Yes, reddit hates the fag too.
http://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/1mlhqf/squarepushers_greatest_hits/

[Anonymous No.2403674]

>>2402547
>>2402587
i dont know anything about squarepusher and im sorry he has you butt flustered. retroarch is still a pretty solid platform tho.

i use it on a linux pc as a dedicated emulation machine. easy to install, easy to config controllers, easy to run roms. i like it a lot.

[Anonymous No.2403773]

>tfw only own Card Fighters Capcom ver.
>already burning out a bit
What game should I buy next? Preferably just one. I don't wanna go all out with NGPC collecting just yet.

[Anonymous No.2404170]

>>2396062
carfighters clash is one of my most played games of all time. I have almost 50 hours logged in it just from playing on the bus everyday and before bed. It's great!

[Anonymous No.2404173]

>>2395653
Seems about right.

[Anonymous No.2404184]

>>2403773
Dark Arms for sure. It's a gun-centered action rpg with some fucking amazing sprite work. My other suggestion would be Biomotor Unitron, it's a great little pokemon ripoff, but instead of pokemon you upgrading armor on a robot.

But if you're looking for some action get Metal Slug second mission or sonic pocket adventures

[Anonymous No.2404190]

>>2402547
it's gonna be okay man... everythings gonna be okay

[Anonymous No.2404228]

>>2395653
I've tested this and so have several of my friends back in the day (I had an NGPC fan site/forum). Some people got 39, others got upwards of 42. Really awesome.

[Anonymous No.2404258]

>>2395653
Remember; no backlit screen. That and the fact that it wasn't getting superhot pushing polygons, makes for a lot less drain on batteries.

>>2395354
Interestingly, Zangief was one of the few (if not the only) character in the NGPC fighting games to not have white skin. His palette completely omits the color white in order to have tan.

[Anonymous No.2404319]

>>2404184
Torn between Dark Arms and Metal Slug (and maybe Sonic).
Holding off on Biomotor because it's a tad more expensive than most other games. Same goes for MoTM because last I recall it's like $25.

[Anonymous No.2404490]

>>2398234
I was just thinking lately how the NGPC and Dreamcast go hand in hand. I'd like to get that link cable some day...

[Anonymous No.2404494]

>>2404258
>Interestingly, Zangief was one of the few (if not the only) character in the NGPC fighting games to not have white skin. His palette completely omits the color white in order to have tan.
All sprites in Fatal Fury First Contact have tan skin too.