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2374506 No.2374506 [Reply] [Original]

>You are now manually realizing that the N64 could not do fast scrolling 2D games and there isn't a single one in its entire library
>The N64 could not handle Super Mario World

>> No.2374510

I love memetext.

>> No.2374545

The N64 did not have many 2D games, but there's Mischief Makers.
Also one of the few games to use the Dpad, meaning you held the controller an both outer prongs.

>> No.2374626

>>2374506
I never truly realized how not so amazing the N64 was. DK64 seemed amazing to me because it was 3d. Kirby 64 is still amazing but now that you mention it, it is very slow but still really fun. Super Smash is a great game and it has a couple others but overall it was objectively not full of good games.

>> No.2374759

>>2374545
>The N64 did not have many 2D games, but there's Mischief Makers.

2D/3D mix game.

There is not a single fully scrolling 2D game on the console.

Saturn:
>Best at 2D

N64:
>Best at 3D

Playstation:
>in between both

>> No.2374760

>>2374506

Bangioh.

>tfw responding to troll thread.

>> No.2376620

>>2374506
>fast scrolling 2D games and there isn't a single one in its entire library

doesn't Bangai-O apply for that?

>> No.2376807

>>2374506
>>You are now manually realizing that the N64 could not do fast scrolling 2D games and there isn't a single one in its entire library
>>The N64 could not handle Super Mario World

And yet Saturn failed

>> No.2376814

Mischief Makers
Yoshi's Story
Bangai-Oh

Move along.

>> No.2376842

>>2374506
>You are now manually realizing that the N64 didn't give a shit about games the general audience didn't give a shit about anymore and tried to move into new 3D games
No fucking shit, what a fucking genius we have over here. Next you'll tell me it was shit because it couldn't handle Asteroids-style vector display.

>> No.2376846

>>2376842
Please don't give him ideas.

>> No.2376857
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2376857

>>2376807
At sales.

In the west.

Whereas the N64 failed at games that aren't collectathons.

Worldwide.

>> No.2376876

>>2376857
PlayStation curbstomped both of them in every region and almost every Greatest Hits game was 3D. Western gamers just didn't give a shit about 2D any more because 3D and FMVs were the big new things, and although Japan appreciated 2D more they still eagerly took to the new 3D games.

>> No.2376887

>>2376876
>>2376857
The top 5 selling games for PS1 and Saturn in Japan were all 3d games.

>> No.2376906

>>2376876
>PlayStation curbstomped both of them in every region
Actually the Saturn outsold the PlayStation for the first couple of years in Japan. The PS sold more overall but it was hardly a curbstomp.

The important part is both the PlayStation and Saturn are far, far, far, far, far superior to the N64.

>> No.2376916

>>2376906
Not him but PS1 sold over 3x more than Saturn in Japan alone.

>> No.2376917

>>2376906
>The PS sold more overall but it was hardly a curbstomp.
PS: 19.36 million (JP)
SS: 5.8 million (JP)

Globally, it was over 100 million for Playstation and 8.8 million for Sega, which is kinda BTFO.

>> No.2376920

>>2376917
>>2376906
>in Japan
>in Japan
>in Japan

come on buddy

>> No.2376925

>>2376916
Oh did it? I stand corrected then.

>> No.2376927

>>2376620
I think he's gunning only for games that only use 2D, no 3D objects at all.

Frankly I'm a little confused, as don't '2D' games for other platforms do the same thing pretty often in 5th gen? Symphony of the Night, for example, was still a 3D game, in the sense that they use quads and drew sprites on them.

>> No.2376930

>>2376920
He posted Japanese numbers. An almost 4:1 difference in sales is absolutely a curbstomp. PlayStation outsold the Saturn and N64 combined in Japan alone by an almost 2:1 margin.

>> No.2376932

>>2376927
I guess I'm more confused just at the purpose of the thread. If it's to find 2D games on the N64 then a few good ones have been mentioned, but I think we've also covered pretty thoroughly that Playstation and especially Saturn are the systems to look at for 5th gen stuff of the 2D variety.

>> No.2376934

>>2376920
In Japan, where it did the best. The numbers are just stupid in every other region. I love Sega as much as the next guy, but the Saturn performed terribly, don't kid yourself.

>> No.2376935

>>2376932
6th genner trolling.

>> No.2376936

>>2374626
Is there a website where I can subscribe to your blog? I am very interested in knowing more about your life

>> No.2376945

>>2374506
Honestly, while this is a troll thread, the real reason N64 didn't get 2D games was economic. The N64 hardware advantage was in 3D, if you were making 2D games there was no reason to put up with Nintendo's bullshit in return for something.

>> No.2376979

>>2376936
I'm sure reading his post really hurt your feelings, have you considered signing up for tumblr? You'll meet many sympathetic people there.

>> No.2376982

>>2376979
By you saying "his", doesnt conceal the fact that you are talking about yourself and your own post. Nice try anyway, but you are still a faggot.

>> No.2376991

>>2376982
I know /vr/ is inactive but there are more posters than you and that guy. That guy seems so chill about his liking games that I don't he'd reduce himself to flaming you. I am not, however!

>> No.2376998

>>2376857
Are you implying that the Saturn was commercially successful anywhere?

>> No.2377000

>>2376998
Not him but it sold pretty well in Japan. Pretty good software sales too in Japan.

>> No.2377012

>>2376991
>/vr/ is inactive
Being slower than /b/ doesn't make it inactive.

>> No.2377013

>>2377012
It's relatively slow, so unless you want to quantify the level of posting that is required to be "inactive" then you are just looking for an argument.

>> No.2377026

>>2376998
Don't know about him but I am implying that you don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.2377043

>>2374506
the n64 had some fantastic games but the console itself is a fucking mess
the playstation is the true successor to the SNES

>> No.2377050

>>2377000
It was actually in a solid second place there (as solid as you could against the psx), the n64 was the fucked one there

>> No.2377069

>You are now manually realizing
>manually realizing
>manually

I just manually realized how shit this thread it.
Why wouldn't I just play SNES or Gameboy for 2D games and N64 for 3D games?

>> No.2377076
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2377076

>>2377043
We had a very nice conversation about the differences in hardware architectures of the 5th gen. We concluded (well, actually a guy who knew his shit said) that the Nintendo 64 was easily the most powerful console of its generation. What you call a mess may be some stuff that made it harder to get optimal performance from it. We were told those mainly were a very high latency RAM and textures having to mandatorily go through a texture cache. Also, even though Nintendo offered a standard one that almost everyone used, you could tweak the microcode of the GPU to define its way of working. The other "messy" stuff would probably be the cartridges.

>the playstation is the true successor to the SNES
And pretty much something you'd have expected from SEGA (instead of the Saturn). It's funny how the Dreamcast feels like the successor to the Playstation (in hardware) and the Playstation 2 is more like the Nintendo 64 (they went from simple to quite complex and unique).

Btw, in that thread I was shown this pic.

>> No.2377078

The N64 is the grandad you loved when you were younger, then over the years realized is kind of racist and shitty. Doesn't make those moments you shared any less precious.

>> No.2377079

>>2376927
I don't even know what was ever 3D in Bangai-Oh. I think there wasn't anything 3D.

>> No.2377080

>>2376998
>Reply
I almost did.

>> No.2377087

>console wars on /vr/

STOP
T
O
P

>> No.2377314

Since this appears to be the de facto N64 thread: any third party power cords that you'd suggest in particular? Almost all of them on Amazon have mostly good reviews with a few standouts of "didn't even fit" or "broke immediately".

>> No.2377323

>>2377078
>racist
>a negative

>> No.2377383

>>2377079
Aren't the graphics 2D objects aplied to polygons, like Castlevania?

>> No.2377390

>>2377314

You will find these single shining out negative experiences nearly with everything. Cannot really judge from these. There is always the risk to get a faulty one.

>> No.2377395

>>2377323
Fuck off /b/tard

>Doesn't know that racism and racist was originally a purely scientific term, and nothing more

>> No.2377401

Repairing N64 analog sticks is literally the worst fucking thing in the world. I really like the idea of it being an optical sensor attached to a joystick, the issue is that they used crappy parts made out of plastic. You have to fill in the bowl on every fucking stick because it grinded away.

>> No.2377404

>>2377395
>only /b/ is "racist"
How new are you, reddit?

>> No.2377413

wouldnt the n64 be strong enuf to run software 2d renderers? or is there a problem in drawing to the framebuffer?

>> No.2377454

>>2377395
He's just 'avin a giggle m8

>> No.2377474

>>2377413
There's a Doom homebrew source port that is fully software.

>> No.2377493

CONSOLE WARS ARE NOT INTERESTING
STOP REPLYING TO MEME THREADS
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
you're all the reason we'll never get to talk about this gen of consoles in any meaningful way
DO NOT BUMP TROLL THREADS

>> No.2377516

>>2377078
More like, you grew up and realized all his war stories were fake and he didn't really know how to play any of the card games he taught you, while your cool uncle Playstation rode jetskis and uncle Saturn went to Japan and became a Akido master

>> No.2377536

This thread is fun to check in on during my lunch break.

>> No.2377563
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2377563

>>2377383
No. Bangaioh is a sprite-based game. It's entirely 2d.

Saged because this thread is god-awful.

>> No.2377625

>>2377413
There's no problem at all

>> No.2377650

>>2377076
Nice pic. Two things I'd add though:
* Saturn: triangles weren't exactly an industry standard at this point (there was none), though they were a bit more frequent. They became a de-facto standard during this console's lifetime (eg, Nvidia had to release a compatibility layer for the NV1).
* N64 can't do RGB, which completely spoiled the picture. If you were not living in Americana, the on-screen result was frankly off-putting compared to what people were used to.

>> No.2377819

>>2377650
Some models can be modded for RGB though.

>> No.2377850

>>2377563
>>2377383
every game on the n64 and ps1 are made up of polygons, even the 2D ones
you can see that by turning on wireframe mode

>> No.2377927

>>2377650
>>* N64 can't do RGB, which completely spoiled the picture. If you were not living in Americana, the on-screen result was frankly off-putting compared to what people were used to.
S-video was pretty close, and most systems really didn't have RGB cables that were common. In most of Europe, I can't think a single system ever shipped with an RGB cable. Plenty were composite with a SCART adapter, and RF earlier.

Honestly, compared to the competition, the N64 looked fucking amazing at wide open visuals. The excessive filtering that looks so terrible in emulators is almost seamless on console, things next to you look as good as halfway across a map.

>> No.2377935

>>2377650
Even in you Europe you shits didn't use RGB much.

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2377968

>>2376857
>implying collectathons aren't goat

>> No.2378092

>>2376857
What matters more at the end of the day though? Sales or game-genres?

>> No.2378147

>>2374506
>manually realizing

The future is an incredible place. Automatically realizing is overrated.

>> No.2378603

>>2377850
>you are now manually realizing that sprites n' tiles on 2d systems are polygons

>> No.2378614

>>2377078
I'll take the racist grandparents over the sissy baby boomer hippie mom and dad.