No shmup thread? Let's fix that

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Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:00:53 2015 No.2363270 [Reply] [Original]

No shmup thread? Let's fix that

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:04:34 2015 No.2363275

My only problem with those kind of images is that it doesn't tell me anything. I dont know any of these games and even if I did, I wouldn't know exactly why you have those reactions.

But seriously, I am a shmup casual, so this might be one of those seires 'everyone should know' and Iam just being casual.

I do enjoy Einhander.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:05:48 2015 No.2363279 >>2363275 I just really dislike the term "shmup"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:11:42 2015 No.2363285 >>2363279 I've only ever heard it used online. EVeryone I know irl, including myself just call them Shooters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:15:07 2015 No.2363292 >>2363279 Why do you hate the word shmup?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:15:56 2015 No.2363293 File: 243 KB, 256x360, 256px-ZeroWing_arcadeflyer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363270 How is this game /vr/?

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:20:36 2015 No.2363298

>>2363293
IMO, like most Toaplan games it's a little on the bland side and the levels go on forever. Some groovy tunes on the MegaDrive port, but for older Toaplan I think you're better off playing Fire Shark or maybe even Twin Hawk (which is ironic because of my complaint of blandness).

Zero Wing isn't bad and I like launching enemies at one another but it's on the lower end of the oeuvre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:49:38 2015 No.2363329 >>2363270 >posts daioujou, daifukkatsu, and saidaioujou on a retro forum how does it feel being the cancer killing stg?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:53:33 2015 No.2363337 >>2363279 2.5d is a worse term. You can't have half of a dimension

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:54:52 2015 No.2363339 >>2363270 Fuck off back to /v/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:05:42 2015 No.2363349 >>2363329 its already dead either way

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:06:46 2015 No.2363350 >>2363349 >tfw I mean has there been another cave game since akai katana? the only decent stg I've heard of since is crimzon clover... damn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:06:55 2015 No.2363352 >>2363270 I like DoDonPachi and DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou. Being able to tate the former on a PSP and play it portably is cool as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:12:45 2015 No.2363361 >>2363293 Play the mega drive version and ONLY THE MEGA DRIVE VERSION, it has the best music.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:14:07 2015 No.2363362 >>2363350 saidaioujou was their last arcade, they are focusing on cellphones now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:17:44 2015 No.2363367 >>2363361 But what about the PCE version? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EMX1bYoEV0

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:25:21 2015 No.2363375 >>2363367 aww man all your base your base

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 02:38:14 2015 No.2363382

"Shmup" is a stupid fucking word, please refrain from using it. It's basically just a word Americans invented to they can talk about STG without getting all tongue-tied. Americans have this bizarre cultural phobia of enunciating things properly; I'll never understand it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 03:12:01 2015 No.2363404 your just looking for reasons to shitpost, arent you

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 07:55:42 2015 No.2363573 >>2363382 I think "shmup" is fine as slang even used in printed text, but I once heard a self-proclaimed "expert" say it phonetically in conversation, and I just couldn't take him seriously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 07:57:01 2015 No.2363575 >>2363573 Almost forgot: he also pronounced "SNES" phonetically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:03:18 2015 No.2363582 >>2363382 >Americans have this bizarre cultural phobia of enunciating things properly I think that's mostly a southern thing. >pronounce Louisville correctly >someone always smugly says "ah kin tell yer not from aroun' here! It's Luhhh-v'll!"

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:07:46 2015 No.2363585

>>2363382

>Americans have this bizarre cultural phobia of enunciating things properly; I'll never understand it.

Really? I've met more Canadians and Brits who were uptight about that sort of thing.

I don't know why any of these

>>2363575
>>2363573
>>2363382

posts care how other people say things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:31:58 2015 No.2363607 >>2363582 Try Massachusetts: Worcester >Wuhsta Woburn >Wooburn Billerica >Bill Ricka Peabody >Peeb'dee Haverhill >Hay'vrill Leominster >Lemon'ster

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:05:27 2015 No.2363642 >>2363382 The word was first coined in a British magazine if I am remembering correctly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:22:56 2015 No.2363657 >>2363607 Well that's just old ass english, also you forgot gloucester.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:31:09 2015 No.2363660 >>2363352 >>2363382 http://youtu.be/8iWWf6KqIQw

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:32:00 2015 No.2363663 File: 94 KB, 240x320, anim01.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So what kind of a ship do you usually go for? Do you use homing, spread or are you a straight shooter?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:38:07 2015 No.2363672 >>2363382 >STG >Shoo Ting Game >same # of syllables in Shoo Ting Game as Ess Tee Jee anyway fucking awful, fails at the entire purpose of acronyms

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:44:49 2015 No.2363685 >>2363663 The boy in the tights kind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 09:55:37 2015 No.2363697 >>2363663 Straight>Spread>>>>>Homing Homing is for faggots who can't aim and dodge at the same time

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:02:43 2015 No.2363702 since this thread is pretty much just shitposting, when the fuck is the dariusburst ac crack gonna get released

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:11:33 2015 No.2363707 File: 133 KB, 640x1017, 992009158-00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shoot Them Downs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:17:50 2015 No.2363718 You guys forgot the most important subgenre. >cute em up >cmup >cumup >qtmup

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:22:49 2015 No.2363723 >>2363718 I prefer the second one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:25:59 2015 No.2363728 >>2363718 um actually they are called CTG - CuTie Game

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 10:56:58 2015 No.2363778 >>2363728 But "cumup" is more hilarious, especially if you say it out loud.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:22:26 2015 No.2363818
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>>2363382
>this faggot

"Shmup" was invented way back in the day by the british gaming press. One of the big magazines of theirs around the late-80s/early-90s or thereabouts. I'm old enough to remember long before that when they were just "spaceship flying/shooting games". Americans seem to have adopted the term from the british via the 90s internet/usenet/etc.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:25:24 2015 No.2363827

>>2363818
>"Shmup" was invented way back in the day by the british gaming press. One of the big magazines of theirs around the late-80s/early-90s or thereabouts.

Just to clarify, they obviously used it to shorten "shoot 'em up", the origin of which I am not even remotely aware of.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:26:59 2015 No.2363832 >>2363270 what is the name of the leftmost game on the bottom?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:33:27 2015 No.2363857 >>2363827 I think it was inspired by the beat em up genre, which I don't knew the origin of, and which I also find strange in that it doesn't have a similar contraction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:33:31 2015 No.2363858 >>2363292 Because "shoot 'em up" is already a short version of "shoot them up". You don't see people calling beat 'em ups "bmups".

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:39:26 2015 No.2363883 >>2363857 I think the beat 'em up term hasn't been contracted because it's not universal. They're called everything from "brawlers" to "scrolling fighters" to "beltscroll action" to "beat 'em alls" depending on where you're at.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 11:52:05 2015 No.2363931 >>2363858 Thats because "bmups" doesn't roll of the tongue as well as "shmup" does. Shmup has been used for 20+ years already, get the fuck over it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:00:51 2015 No.2363964 >>2363931 Shmups doesn't really roll off the tongue, either. Perhaps there needs to be fewer letters. How about calling them "shps"? I've eliminated another two letters thus saving you even more time!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:02:03 2015 No.2363968 >>2363964 Maybe you should ask for people to put trigger warnings in the OP so you can avoid threads like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:02:59 2015 No.2363970 >>2363931 shmup sounds retarded, even without shortening it shoot 'em up sounds pretty retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:03:23 2015 No.2363971 >>2363964 Like I said, Shmups has been used for 20+ years. Everyone knows what shmup means. Introducing a new word to replace just because you don't like it is fucking retarded.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:03:48 2015 No.2363975
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I really like Guwange.
It has a neat art style and novel mechanics.

By the way, is there any specific place where you can find game-specific information on danmaku regarding hitboxes, scoring systems and so forth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:05:49 2015 No.2363980 >>2363275 >>2363270 I am a casual as well. Favorites >Vertical Radiant Silver Gun 19XX Ikarugua >Horizantal Einhander UN Squadron Raiden !V >Rail S&P2 Star Fox 64 Panzer Dragoon Orta >Other Bangai-O

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:05:59 2015 No.2363981 >>2363975 shmupsforum is decent for info

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:06:49 2015 No.2363984 File: 48 KB, 233x233, retard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363964 >got rid of only vowel to make it easier to say

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:10:57 2015 No.2363990 >>2363981 I know about it, but never thought to search through it for strategy tips. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:20:46 2015 No.2364003 >>2363971 >doing something for a long time means it's the right thing to do >>2363984 >the joke flying over your head like Opa-Opa with a rocket engine

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 12:54:19 2015 No.2364073 >>2364003 >doing something for a long time means it's the right thing to do It does when it comes to language. Which is why everyone who intentionally pronounces "color" wrong because it was wrong 300 years ago is a cunt who deserves to die.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:05:41 2015 No.2364089 File: 200 KB, 280x280, 3669.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363337 Yes you can actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausdorff_dimension

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:08:01 2015 No.2364095 File: 27 KB, 605x518, 1353208916486.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363382 Ah come on guys, this is a troll. >Americans >STG and a damn fine one at that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:33:35 2015 No.2364141 >>2363832 DoDonPachi DaiOuJou/Blissful Death You can get it for MAME or iOS

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:47:37 2015 No.2364163 >>2363293 A bit on the dull side but that's mostly because I think they trained new Toaplan employees by making them develop it. Still worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:48:12 2015 No.2364165 File: 101 KB, 300x364, 1407016759277.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363607 You mean there are Americans who actually know how to pronounce Worcester correctly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 13:49:52 2015 No.2364168 >>2363607 Also, Leominster is actually pronounced Lemster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:02:34 2015 No.2364184 >>2364165 Worcester, MA is named after Worcester England so it makes sense they're pronounced the same. New England is New England but MA especially has a strong Ye Olde England presence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:17:54 2015 No.2364221 >>2363660 That shit is hilarious. I love that dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:20:08 2015 No.2364225 Did folks not like DDP Maximum? I haven't played it yet. I played SDOJ and it's pretty fun other than the autobombing (eugh).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:33:39 2015 No.2364251 File: 16 KB, 279x207, shmups.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This kind of crosses the line into not retro, BUT What are the best PC shmups retro and not retro? here's what I got so far

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:34:42 2015 No.2364252 >>2364251 Get Tyrian, it's now free

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:39:19 2015 No.2364269 What are your favorites on Genesis/MD? I heard there are some cool Japan only titles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:40:50 2015 No.2364275 >>2364225 boost mode has no autobomb

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 14:46:52 2015 No.2364291 R-Type best type.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:01:27 2015 No.2364315 File: 41 KB, 500x375, 1417988565095.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2364252 >Tyrian

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:11:52 2015 No.2364341 >>2364251 Cho ren Sha http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/x_xgameroom/ Ether Vapor is from the same devs who made Astebreed and imo it's much better. It's also on steam.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:20:44 2015 No.2364357 >>2364341 How has this guy still not made any other commercial game? I'm sure it would be pretty good and he even wants to make one.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:26:11 2015 No.2364367

I've 1cc'd PCB Lunatic and 1-ALL'd Dodonpachi, but anything harder than bombing through those seems far above my level.

I've read stuff like the Full Extent of the Jam, but playing an STG according to a route seems completely alien. I can understand something like a speedrun route in a different video game, but strict routing for a scrolling shooter doesn't click for me at all. Is there any trick to it? I can watch superplays, but understanding and copying even a basic boss strat seems way harder than it should be. I swear I'm not retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:56:05 2015 No.2364430 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pONIGdSLd1s What are some other groovy shmups? DoDonPachi gets thrown around a lot but it just sounds like a bdsm club to me

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 15:58:23 2015 No.2364436 >>2364430 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpF1dFMXSjM

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:00:29 2015 No.2364438 >>2364436 >guys floating through space are point pickups Well alright

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:16:15 2015 No.2364473 >>2364430 >Posts best game and best music >Expects it outdone

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:21:39 2015 No.2364483 >>2364473 Doesn't have to be outdone, adjacent or slightly below is fine

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:22:53 2015 No.2364484
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Anyone know how the scoring system works in Raiden DX? Sometimes I shoot down everything in sight and think I'm doing really well, but my score will be shit. Other times, I'll think I'm doing poorly, and then my score will be much better. What the hell?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:30:44 2015 No.2364492 >>2364484 You get a bonus for playing recklessly.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:43:19 2015 No.2364516
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>>2364430
I always thought 19XX: The War Against Destiny was pretty groovy, but being a Capcom game that's to be expected I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Dbn4JFguo

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 16:53:11 2015 No.2364532 >>2364492 So being closer to enemies gets you more points then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 17:22:45 2015 No.2364568 >>2364516 This one's pretty great. Africa and Arctic was a lot of fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 17:24:18 2015 No.2364573 >>2364532 Not sure how it works, if you have a look at the bonus description, you will see one named Guts in english version, try and take a feel for it doing different things, it basically measures how many risks you took according to the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 17:42:25 2015 No.2364595 File: 19 KB, 200x200, ShyStickGuy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2363270 >Don/Dodonpachi >reminded of Xopachi and those wonderful curvaceous babes he draws >he even uses a similar hornet logo >mfw That is all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 18:07:29 2015 No.2364654 >>2363858 >>2363931 >>2363964 Cunning linguist here. [ʃm] isn't a native cluster to English but most speakers will be acquainted with it if they've ever heard loanwords like "schmuck". [bm] is garbage though, so bmups would never work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 19:31:02 2015 No.2364780 >>2364573 Found this break down of the scoring system as well as other hidden scoring features of the game. Apparently, you get more points the more time spent in the upper part of the screen. http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1080

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 22:05:52 2015 No.2365138 >>2363582 That's literally everywhere >New Joisey >New Yawk >Balmer >Bahston >Chahlut(Charlotte) >N'awlins (New Orleans)

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 22:17:52 2015 No.2365171
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>>2364568
Capcom shmups are underrated. Unless you play something lousy like Eco Fighters, you are likely to get a mechanically solid game with good visuals and great music. Another good shmup with good music is the earlier Varth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxIppJmSYcY

The game is pretty long, I think clocking in at around an hour with 30 stages. Intense!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 22:34:20 2015 No.2365201 >>2365138 No one says "N'awlins" in New Orleans. No one here has that accent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 11:23:22 2015 No.2366000 >>2365171 I'm also partial to UN Squadron, arcade or SNES version is hella fun. I'll check ouy Varth seems cool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 12:47:43 2015 No.2366086 >>2363975 system11

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 14:07:46 2015 No.2366196 >>2363697 >MUH PRIDE

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 15:29:57 2015 No.2366336 File: 13 KB, 640x400, 1429990197935.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2364367 join the dark side. give in to your desire to dodge without memorization.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 15:35:43 2015 No.2366343 File: 13 KB, 640x400, super hexagon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2364367 join the dark side. give in to your desire to dodge without memorization.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:07:40 2015 No.2366604 >>2363293 It's really bland aside from the soundtrack, if it were not for that meme it probably would have been forgotten forever by most people.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:10:26 2015 No.2366607
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>>2363270
I gotta disagree with you on DonPachi. That guy who talks to you throughout the whole game just makes my day whenever I play it.

>LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT HERE, A MULTI ASSAULT TANK! WATCH YOURSELF KID!

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 18:23:06 2015 No.2366613
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>>2364367

It comes naturally if you start trying to play for score instead of just survival. You'll start learning where you want to be, and what you need to do to minimize the danger of the situation while still getting points. For the really insanely tough scoring tricks, you can leave those till later and try a more survivable option.

In CAVE games, this can really benefit you since they tend to drop a couple point based extends, and the games just have really fun scoring systems in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 19:00:22 2015 No.2366659 >>2366607 If you want a real challenge, play the Hong Kong version. Want an impossible challenge? Play the Hong Kong version on very hard.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 20:32:25 2015 No.2366818

>>2363975
https://www.ultraimg.com/images/poster3.jpg
https://www.ultraimg.com/images/poster1.jpg
https://www.ultraimg.com/images/poster2441e7.jpg

heres a bunch of instruction strips i'm pasting on my cabinet. some are not the best quality but it's english.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 20:37:53 2015 No.2366826 >>2363270 I don't like your opinions OP I don't like them at all

Oakland Sat Apr 25 20:50:09 2015 No.2366845

I've been playing the collections M2 made for the PSP of Konami's shooters. While the collections are great, I really wish that they would have gone the extra mile for a few of the game to include the ports and such, much like a few Sega Ages sets did.

Like Parodius Da!, the console ports added to that, didn't they?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 20:53:54 2015 No.2366851 File: 165 KB, 1143x860, Gradius 1 arcade.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally did it lads

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:09:39 2015 No.2366876 >>2366851 >playing Gradius NES >make it through on one life, gonna be a no-miss >forget about the closing door before the brain >screen scrolls foward, forcing me into the closed door >fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:12:09 2015 No.2366889 >>2366851 is this arcade or PCE? the recent MAME updates made the color palette darker and made the two versions even harder to distinguish

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:17:24 2015 No.2366895

>>2366876
It's such a cheapshot putting that right at the end when you're about to win. The door closes faster on NES too. But on arcade you at least have a chance to finish the game if you die after the last checkpoint. If you die before that you're just so completely fucked.

>>2366889
MAME

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:18:38 2015 No.2366897 >>2366895 Ah, congratulations then, I've yet to beat it on MAME but I beat the PCE version several times and I'm getting more confident. I can make it past the Moai stage now.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:27:40 2015 No.2366912

>>2366897
I've never played it on PCE, but I heard it was pretty much a straight port.

Moai is probably the hardest stage for me after the last one, because it's just so easy to get sniped in the back. My runs usually end on the Moai but if I get past it I'll probably at least make it to the final stage.

This game was really hard to beat for me, and it took so long, I guess because I'm pretty new to shmups, and you're pretty much allowed no mistakes in this one, since one little mistake usually means a game over.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:29:16 2015 No.2366915

>>2366912
It's a very straight port, with the exception of reduced difficulty which makes it great for beginners, an added stage between the inversed volcano and tentacle one and hidden bonus stages.

Anyone who wants to get into Gradius, I recommend the PCE version. Note that it has some rather odd collision detection issues though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:42:23 2015 No.2366938 >>2366915 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWDXdf5TuSY I like what they did with the music. Sounds much nicer than the tinny arcade music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 21:48:11 2015 No.2366947 >>2366938 Yeah that's one of the reason I like it better than the arcade, too. Though it came out in 1991 so better music is a given. MSX SCC version is also awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhM-LtE9dw Free Flyer is my favorite track.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:13:11 2015 No.2369995 >>2363285 I used to call them shooters, but now when you say shooter, most people think of FPS games. Shmup isn't the nicest sounding term, but it does get across the genre of game you're talking about unambiguously so it makes sense and is fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:14:45 2015 No.2370000 >>2369995 Space Ship Shooters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:08:24 2015 No.2370081 File: 1.93 MB, 2382x2124, DSC_0100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2366876 Welp, time to practice and get past the damned Moai Stage. Also, for accident I discovered the warp to the Moai Stage playing the Famicom version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:58:31 2015 No.2370276 File: 46 KB, 340x487, slapfight.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't mind me, just being the greatest shmup of all time.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:01:58 2015 No.2370283

>>2365171
I can't play that game for shit. Other capcom shooters are similar. Everything on screen is so tiny I have to squint to see. The game is fun, and the PS2 port lets you change the sound mix to crank the music way up over the SFX. But give me huge Toaplan ships and bullets instead please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:12:42 2015 No.2370314 >>2363672 "Shoo-Ting Game" is not what STG stands for. STG = Shoot (the) Target Game

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:37:50 2015 No.2370349 >>2363270 >not liking Batsugun most >liking post-Ketsui CAVE top pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:59:10 2015 No.2370382 >>2370000 Too long to mutter every time you mention the genre. Shmups is fine. Not the most elegant word, but it fits and isn't easily confused with other genre markers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:04:33 2015 No.2370387 File: 63 KB, 640x480, gaiares l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2370276 Then why did you post a picture of something other than Giares?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:13:39 2015 No.2370921

So now that I've beaten Gradius, I'm trying to figure out some strats for recovering after I die.
I started with the last stage, since it's been such a problem, and I guess as long as you memorise exactly what to do and how to move, it isn't completely impossible like I thought it was, but it's still really easy to screw things up. So far, I've been able to survive long enough to get missile and double back, which should make things less painful from then on. I'm more worried about the stage 6 boss, and its bullet spam. Dodging all that shit on the fly seems pretty unreliable, unless I can find a safe spot somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:45:44 2015 No.2371028 >>2370921 The most important thing is to always have a power up capsule, that way if you die you get a free speed up, and you can build up from there.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:40:22 2015 No.2371170

>>2371028
True, sometimes if you die and you don't have one, you just have to live long enough to get one and then die to start over. So a death can cost you two lives.

I think I can handle most of the checkpoints in stage 7 now. The second one is probably the hardest with bullets raining down on you the whole way through, thanks to those guys that shoot in rings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 14:02:55 2015 No.2373906 File: 351 KB, 468x468, lilivatarA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally made 700k+ on Metal Black, WR is at 742k so I'm not too far, although it's definitely out of reach for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwlc-Xjp3w0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 20:37:42 2015 No.2374479 File: 66 KB, 800x600, 2015-02-26_00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone else love Siter Skain games, such as KAMUI and REFLEX? They're my favourite.

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 22:22:09 2015 No.2374656

>>2374479
Kamui is fucking brilliant.
it's been a while since I've played RefleX and that's not /vr/

>>2364516
19XX is pretty great. Tons of style and a load of fun.

>>2365171
I'm not a fan of Varth. Feels like a damn slog.

>>2366607
The DonPachi announcer is the best thing in the known universe.

>>2363607
blame England itself for that
like
>Worcester
>Wuhsta
is actually correct and I hate it

>>2363778
>cumup
okay, I giggled

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 22:31:15 2015 No.2374686 Feels like Shmup forum in here.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 06:19:49 2015 No.2375169 >>2374479 Played KAMUI for the first time a while back and loved it, haven't tried REFLEX yet though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 06:40:15 2015 No.2375191 Wait, what's wrong with Donpachi? I fucking love Dodonpachi and it seemed really good from just the first couple of stages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 06:50:45 2015 No.2375202 File: 112 KB, 800x600, 2015-04-16_00008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2374479 I'm a big fan.

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 07:05:50 2015 No.2375215

>>2364252
I fucking love Tyrian 2000. I still play it.
It's the only shoot em up i'm good at and actually beat multiple times on all difficulties.
I keep trying to get better at the genre, I just have trouble with keeping at it. I tried beating Super R-Type...furthest i got is 4th stage ( after many game overs ). I want to get better damn it, I want to beat something other than Tyrian!

>>2364315
Tyrian is fun, anon. Has some decent music too. It may be too easy for people who regularly play shoot em ups, but it's still really fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 07:22:21 2015 No.2375228 >>2375215 You should give Hydorah a try. It's free, not too difficult, has a lot of levels and allows (very limited) saving.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 07:28:40 2015 No.2375235 >>2375228 Hydorah, eh? I'll look it up. I'll play it while havin' some drinks tonight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 11:02:18 2015 No.2375475 File: 277 KB, 949x208, Untitled-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can you guys tell me what game this is from? Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 11:23:28 2015 No.2375498 >>2375475 Judging by the designs it must be a Darius game, I'm not too fond of them except for the awesome music so I can't tell you more than that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 11:57:00 2015 No.2375529 >>2375498 Seems you are right. Maybe from Gaiden. I'm sure with a bit of digging I can find it. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 16:27:08 2015 No.2375971 >>2375475 Darius II.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 16:38:25 2015 No.2375983 >>2375971 thank you

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 16:42:53 2015 No.2375993 Raiden IV on PSN is on sale, so I might as well ask: how is it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 16:52:57 2015 No.2376005 >>2375993 Best Raiden game after II/DX. If you don't have much experience with the series, a very good place to start.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 16:54:33 2015 No.2376012 >>2375993 I don't like it. The graphics are super distracting and the music is weak. I have Raiden 4 and Raiden Fighter Aces on the 360, and I vastly prefer Fighter Aces.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 17:00:22 2015 No.2376025 >>2376012 How is it weak? Wasn't most of it pretty much remastered Raiden II music?

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 20:18:36 2015 No.2376303

>>2363663
>So what kind of a ship do you usually go for?
Straight-shot on first play when learning the game's systems. Good baseline for learning patterns when popcorns are bursting everywhere.
Spread or sway-spread when good enough to play for score. By then enemy patterns are well-known and I can tweak timing to extend combos. Experimental period.
Then back to straight-shot for quick runs. Focused fire tends to take down larger craft faster, just enjoy that kind of play more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 20:24:41 2015 No.2376312 How come N64 never really had shoot 'em ups? (I think there's one well-known one, and a few JP exclusives). I can picture it being done well on that console in my head, but I'm no expert on the hardware limitations, maybe it would've sucked.

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 20:32:04 2015 No.2376316

>>2376312
N64 missed several genres. Development of 2D games was not friendly on that console. I'm sure it could have been done, but it was easier and cheaper (and had a larger install base) on the CD-based consoles, these reasons are well known. That is the answer to every "why wasn't ______ on the N64?"

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 20:49:02 2015 No.2376337

>>2376312
>>2376316
Any sort of genre that was mainly popular in Japan is not to be found on the N64, which was a hit mainly in North America.

The N64 has way more processing power than the Playstation. The reason there are only a handful of 2d games on the system is because Nintendo didn't let developers make them for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 20:56:45 2015 No.2376345 >>2376337 Can the N64 hardware do 2d sprite games? This might be bullshit, but I've heard that it was "too advanced" for proper 2D, and games like "Yoshi's Story" are actually 3D polygons designed to look like 2D.

Anonymous Thu Apr 30 21:08:56 2015 No.2376357

>>2376345
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It doesn't have any specialized hardware for it, but the processor is fast enough to handle any sort of fancy effects.

The only fully 2d game I can think of is Mortal Kombat Trilogy, but that's only because Nintendo mostly forced devs to put 3d stuff in the games. Ogre Battle 64 and Mischief makers are mostly, though not entirely, 2d.

Also, Nintendo's own games are full of sprites. Mario, Zelda 64, and Mario Kart 64 all have tons of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 21:44:56 2015 No.2376391 >>2376357 As does Paper Mario.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 23:04:54 2015 No.2376630 >>2366947 What about the ps1 version? It kinda feels different to both.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 23:19:48 2015 No.2376648 >>2376630 Huh? Seems like a very straight port of the arcade game to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 30 23:21:34 2015 No.2376652 >>2363279 I call them shmups or shoot-em-ups IRL.

Anonymous Fri May 1 04:41:29 2015 No.2377032

So after playing around with RAM watch a little, it turns out that the rank in Gradius increases on its own just from surviving. It looks like it goes up by 1 every ~32 seconds the player doesn't die. It also increments after each stage, and it's capped at 15. So it turns out limiting your options etc doesn't do a whole lot except leave you underpowered. The best way to do rank control in the first game is to kill yourself.
Then it goes back down to the base level for that difficulty setting, between 0 and 3.

Also +1 for Missile, +1 for each Option you have, and +2 each for Laser and Shield. For some reason having Double doesn't increase the rank. Nor does speed.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 11:09:06 2015 No.2379117 >>2363663 Straight, hands down.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 16:50:44 2015 No.2379685 >>2363270 The only thing I liked about SaiDaiOuJou is the ability to unlock an AI 2P. Gets less lonely.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:25:22 2015 No.2380135 File: 303 KB, 742x524, 7269336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw killed by power-up

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 11:46:53 2015 No.2381141 i decided to pick silver surfer as my first shmup i have no idea what im doing

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 14:51:10 2015 No.2381381 Do you guys know if r-type delta is pal optimised?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 14:56:21 2015 No.2381389 are there any shmup music based gachimuchi videos on youtube?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 14:57:47 2015 No.2381391 The only shmups I've ever played are 2hu and Ikaruga. I know Ikaruga's supposed to be a classic, but are the 2hus any good? I ask because I have no reference point.

Anonymous Sun May 3 15:30:14 2015 No.2381451

>>2381391
People like to shit on them because of the cancerous fanbase. The scoring systems are usually pretty neat, and I like the thought that goes into making aesthetically pleasing symmetrical patterns rather than just throwing clusterfucks at you. They're often more about predictive dodging than reaction. The bullets are also usually pretty slow. As someone trying to get into Cave, I find the speed of some of those patterns hard to adjust to, even if a lot of it breaks down to 'go left, go right, go left, go right'.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:36:50 2015 No.2381464 >>2381391 I wouldn't consider 2hu a shmup. It hardly has anything to do with shooting. It's only about dodging slowly travelling bullet patterns.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:39:11 2015 No.2381467 >>2381391 Every Touhou game I've played is great. Ignore the fanbase and ignore the people who shit on the games.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:39:32 2015 No.2381468 >>2381464 Do you consider Ikaruga to be a shmup?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:42:41 2015 No.2381473 >>2381468 2hu are shmups, but very good ones. Ikaruga is on a whole different level than these games.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:43:41 2015 No.2381475 >>2381473 *not very good

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:48:47 2015 No.2381481 >>2381473 I wasn't contesting that point. The guy who deleted his post said >I wouldn't consider 2hu a shmup. It hardly has anything to do with shooting. >It's only about dodging slowly travelling bullet patterns. Which... describes Ikaruga.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:52:03 2015 No.2381485 >>2381481 Ikaruga has much more emphasis on shooting than 2hu If you wouldn't enemies there you would often just crash into them.

Anonymous Sun May 3 15:52:31 2015 No.2381486
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>>2366613
Thanks for the advice, man. I started trying to casually score in CCWI, and just got my first score that's better than a regular clear.

It's not a big score, but it's the best clear I've ever gotten in an STG so I'm pretty happy.

>>2381391
Touhou games are too hard for me even for survival play and scoring is equally if not more arcane than CAVE depending on the game.

The puzzle STGs are pretty neat, especially the latest one, Impossible Spell Card, which is a lot better than the photography games.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:53:03 2015 No.2381489 >>2381485 *shoot enemies

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 15:56:01 2015 No.2381493 >>2381485 I completely agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYvpFUWXyQ

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:00:06 2015 No.2381504 >>2381493 Ok, I forgot about that this is possible there. But that's also not how you normally play this game. It is an option to play it like this. This is something totally different than in 2hu.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:01:30 2015 No.2381508 >>2381504 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC2K9hbP3e8

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:04:55 2015 No.2381516 >>2381508 Both are bullethells yes, but in Ikaruga it is still a much better mix between dodging and shooting.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:19:56 2015 No.2381549 >>2381391 Sounds pretty hardcore for your first SHMUPs. I might try something simpler like a 1940, Gradius, Aero Wings2.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:38:12 2015 No.2381592 >>2381549 Gradius if we are talking arcade is not simpler. More bullets doesn't = harder game.

Anonymous Sun May 3 16:39:58 2015 No.2381594

>>2381473
>Ikaruga is on a whole different level than these games.
Ikaruga is so violently over rated and i want to know how many of the people who love the game have even played it to a decent level because that game gets barely any attention in the actual shmups community.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:43:34 2015 No.2381602 >>2373906 Congrats that's quite the feat, nice to see someone actually plays these games around here. Great game to.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:45:01 2015 No.2381606 >>2381594 I haven't played Ikaruga yet, but I can tell from vids that it isn't overrated at all. It is clearly one of the best shmups ever created.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:47:57 2015 No.2381614 >>2366851 Good work man, you'l find gradius 2 a breeze now im sure (if you plan on doing it). 1cced to 2-7 on Gradius gaiden today and 2-4 on Gradius 2 both being pb's and both ending to concentration lapses unfortunately...

Anonymous Sun May 3 16:51:35 2015 No.2381623

>>2381606
>>2381606
>I haven't played Ikaruga yet, but I can tell from vids that it isn't overrated at all.

Proving you judge games solely on aesthetics where as I actually play them extensively before making a conclusion, maybe you'l like it but it's not for me at all... wouldn't even make my top 25. It's literally as famous as it is because it has a simple gimmick that anyone can understand.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 16:57:11 2015 No.2381631 >>2381623 Who said I judge games merely on aesthetics? You also can get grasp of the gameplay without playing it you know. Not everyone is so retarded to have to play a game for umpteens of hours to finally be able to see if they like it or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:27:42 2015 No.2381691 >>2381486 I thought that ISC was a lot worse than the photo games. My personal favorite is Fairy Wars though.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:34:09 2015 No.2381696 >>2363382 The first thing I think about when I see STG (regardless of capitalization) is a MP44 so lol. Concentrated fire or Homing. Spread feels weak, wasteful and distracting.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:35:38 2015 No.2381698 File: 41 KB, 380x439, Mao_Mao_and_Sakuya.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2381696 ffs, meant to reply to >>2363663 Pic unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:42:03 2015 No.2381705 >>2363270 Lemme guess: >Truxton Because it's a 'meme game' thanks to Classic Game Room? >the last two on the list Oh? Do the anime girls trigger your 'WEEBSHIT' knee-jerk reaction? Fuck off back to /v/.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:46:16 2015 No.2381712 >>2365201 It's more like >Noo Wahlins But that's more from the other side of the swamp that thankfully separates that toilet of a "city" from what makes Louisiana good.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 17:55:41 2015 No.2381727 >>2381705 is this bait, the image implies he likes daioujou but hates the latest two, which were pretty shit im not gonna lie

Anonymous Sun May 3 18:06:49 2015 No.2381751

>>2381391
best way to answer this is to create your own reference points. check out bulletmagnet's "shmups 101" article in racketboy and scroll down to "developers of note". pick out a couple or three top-rated ones from each dev and play a few credits on each. try a shmup a day; will take a month or so to complete, but afterward you'll have a much better idea of the quality and variety of what's out there.

that's more or less what i did a few years back, although it took a lot more research as as that article didn't exist at the time. coincidentally, the first shmups that hooked me were ikaruga and eosd, but my tastes have changed considerably after putting in a couple thousand hours into the genre.

and toho is a series. some games are good, some aren't so good. more people should try podd, though, that's for sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 18:45:18 2015 No.2381795 >>2381631 >You also can get grasp of the gameplay without playing it you know. If you play at a poor level maybe but anything beyond that requires first hand experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 22:54:09 2015 No.2382125 >>2381795 If you are a complete retard perhaps, yea, which is exactly what you sound like.

Anonymous Mon May 4 01:23:32 2015 No.2382313

>>2381614
I started 2, the crystal stage is being a bit of a shit. I guess it's like the Moai from the first game, it gets much more manageable when you make a consistent route through it.

I did get pretty far in the Famicom port, at least until a certain boss rush, where one of them tried as hard as it possibly could to give me a seizure. I died trying to minimalize my looking at it, and it still made my head hurt for a while afterwards. Some of these older games tend to have that problem. Holy Diver is another game that REALLY wants you to have a seizure.

I've also been playing Gradius III SNES, but the high speed stage kicks my shit in every time. I usually die to the plant boss from losing track of his bullets when they go behind him.
And I can't even get past stage 2 in the arcade one. There's one point where there are just too many bubbles to deal with, and I can't get rid of them in time.

Anonymous Mon May 4 05:38:47 2015 No.2382581

>>2382125
Again you just prove you know nothing about decent level play. No good player ever draws conclusions like you without playing and learning the system to an extent, there are always nuances you just can't see/feel from watching a play on youtube and to call a shmup "one of best of all time" based on a youtube viewing? absolutely ridiculous, you are no player.

Anonymous Mon May 4 05:40:43 2015 No.2382584

>>2382313
>I started 2, the crystal stage is being a bit of a shit.
Use either type 3 or 4 and the ripple laser will hold u in good stead, destroy all the big crystals asap. The crystals are actually programmed to explode into trajectories based on your current position.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 05:50:49 2015 No.2382587 >>2382584 Cheers m8, I'll give it some practice. I'm considering to try for loop 2 in the first game. I was able to scrape through the first stage after some trying, but I can see it taking a ton of memorisation.

Anonymous Mon May 4 05:55:31 2015 No.2382592
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Has anyone ever compiled a lot of shmup soundtracks in one convenient dropbox?

I can't get enough of these things, I'm going crazy. Feels like a global rule to have a really great OST, or at the very least something tolerable.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 10:25:25 2015 No.2382810 File: 498 KB, 262x200, numbers.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >playing in tate for the first time

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 11:13:34 2015 No.2382893 >>2381705 He posted Truxton as a game that's only so-so. He values two weebart games.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 11:54:53 2015 No.2382947 File: 32 KB, 540x70, babbyssecond.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got into the red digits, woohoo. Too bad I died on the final boss, but it's a start.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 12:29:57 2015 No.2382994 >>2382587 yeah every gradius ramps up considerably in the 2nd loop, real hard shit.

Anonymous Mon May 4 13:00:22 2015 No.2383050

>>2381141
>silver surfer
Possibly the worst choice for 1st shmup ever. Silver Surfer has a reputation of being difficult to play and frustrating. Difficult to distinguish between foreground and background, no autofire, etc. Drop that shit and try Parodius (SNES).

Anonymous Mon May 4 13:53:05 2015 No.2383164

>>2383050
If something blocks your shot you can't touch it. If your shot goes through it's just part of the background.

But there's still some luck based shit in that game that's probably going to make you mad, and the rest is memorisation and hoping you don't die. I could only beat the 'first' stage. If you die in any of the other ones you're about as fucked as you would be in Gradius, and for similar reasons.

Anonymous Mon May 4 14:12:26 2015 No.2383195

>>2382581
I bet you are one of these retards who buy every shit on Steam only whine about the game in the comments afterwards.
Listen kid, not everyone is so dumb as you. Back then all I had to do was looking at tiny pictures on the backcover of games, and I already knew if I liked them or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 14:20:35 2015 No.2383209 >>2383195 >looking at the back cover Looks like somebody's too retarded to judge from cover art

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 14:37:19 2015 No.2383247 Is Mamorukun any good? Personally I'm not really into bullethells and girl shooters but it's on sale now. Also, is it really related to old Ikaruga devs as they claim?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 14:37:43 2015 No.2383249 >>2383209 Big deal. Back in MY day, we could tell if a game was good or not just from the title.

Anonymous Mon May 4 17:04:31 2015 No.2383530

>>2383195
No i do have alot of 1ccs and decent scores in various shmups though.

>>2383195
>and I already knew if I liked them or not.
Of course because like i already said and you now prove with out any doubt you judge games by aesthetics because you are NO shmup player.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 17:07:20 2015 No.2383539 >>2383050 Nah silver surfers rep is almost 100% down to AVGNs retard review and not particularly accurate, it's honestly not that hard a game at all, i'l go as far as saying any shmup player of a semi decent standard can beat it in under 10 hrs.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 17:13:26 2015 No.2383552 Best exclusive shoot them ups on the PC Engine? Already played: >Gradius >Blazing Lasers >Truxton >Air Zonk Sadly, I don't have any of the CD systems.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 18:41:08 2015 No.2383743 What are some easy to get into shooters on Steam and PSN? My current favourite is Reflex, I'm loving that game - it's right on the border of how much I can manage

Anonymous Mon May 4 18:47:25 2015 No.2383756

>>2383530
>you now prove with out any doubt you judge games by aesthetics because you are NO shmup player
And you prove to be a total full retard, who absolutely have no idea about buying games. Must be pretty sad to constantly stand there like dumb not being able to buy anything without having played it first.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 18:48:31 2015 No.2383758 >>2373906 Is that the replay that was for this last STG Weekly? If so, great playing and great episode.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 19:03:02 2015 No.2383778 >>2383743 Is RayForce on PSN? If yes then get that. Not the easiest game around but it's simple and fun. If not then Dodonpachi.

Anonymous Mon May 4 19:15:28 2015 No.2383796

>>2383743
try Suguri and QP shooting, you can beat each stage individually if Arcade mode is too hard for you
If you like the RefleX mechanic of reflective shielding in particular, try Samidare and Giga Wing

>>2383778
I'd get that just by using the shmupmame pack

Anonymous Mon May 4 19:15:56 2015 No.2383798
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>>2381631
>>2382125
>>2383195
>>2383756

Now that is some shitposting.

Shmups can be pretty deep affairs. You can spend months playing the same game, learning it, and refining your play for a high score. Many of the games have lots of subtle mechanics to the scoring or gameplay that aren't apparent unless you've gotten pretty familiar with them.

When I was first starting out, one of the biggest surprises I had was finding out that I was completely awful at predicting the games I really ended up loving. I learned that there was a lot of nuance to STG games, and for many of them you have to play quite a few hours for things to "click" and get the scoring or gameplay systems to make sense. For a lot of shmups, you just have to straight up be good at the games in order to effectively evaluate the gameplay systems; sucking prevents you from scoring, meaning you need some skill in the game in order to even experiment with the higher level mechanics.

That just takes time, and everyone's tastes are different. Some people will find high-level Ikaruga play to be an infuriating exercise in exact repetition and dislike it strongly. Others consider it fascinating puzzle to be worked out that demands the best a player can give, and love the game. The point is, is that you can't figure out which side you sit on until you've actually put in the hours and tried to crack a game.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 19:51:29 2015 No.2383857 Can somebody explain to me what's wrong with Dodonpachi Resurrection?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 20:07:17 2015 No.2383878 >>2383798 >I was completely awful at predicting the games I really ended up loving Sucks to be a retard, but not everyone is this dumb.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 20:19:01 2015 No.2383891 >>2383878 Go play Hellsinker, come back and explain to me in detail how the scoring works.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 21:02:11 2015 No.2383961 What are some good shmups for the following: NES SNES Genesis PS1

Anonymous Mon May 4 21:33:17 2015 No.2384001
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>>2383247
Grev helped tighten up the graphics. Iuchi also made Kokuga while employed by them.

>>2383961
>SNES
>good

But seriously, R-Type III is fantastic. I also like Cotton and whatever that Macross game is.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 21:42:51 2015 No.2384006 >>2383891 Stop pirating games, and buy something for a change. Oh I forgot, you are completely unable to decide what to buy.

Anonymous Mon May 4 21:42:58 2015 No.2384007
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>>2363702
Never.
Some guy made a thread on system11 saying he heard from a source that a PS4 version would be announced later this year. In response:
>It was actually planned to be released like... this week. But it's been canceled since this came to light. Good thing too, would've gotten lawyers on them faster than bees to a picnic. The PC version is probably canceled forever now.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:00:43 2015 No.2384023 >>2383961 PS1 has GradiusGaiden, a Darius Gaiden port and the Raiden Project (only way to play II on console)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:01:55 2015 No.2384025 File: 81 KB, 640x469, 51274_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2383961

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:09:24 2015 No.2384034 File: 35 KB, 472x472, 1533466-gaiaseedcover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2383961 Pic related is really cool for PS1. Nothing special but nice sprites and very solid. Also R-Type Delta of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:24:55 2015 No.2384063 >>2383961 >NES Recca. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6oB-ytKhVI

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:59:46 2015 No.2384131 >>2384034 It's got some pretty neato music too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB_PgHXwxLY

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:28:00 2015 No.2384174 >>2384034 I read that like 3 times as "Gundam Seed" and was really confused that there was a PS1 Gundam Seed game...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:28:41 2015 No.2384176 >>2383050 Silver Surfer is the easiest shmup I think I have played. Definitely the easiest to 1cc.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:36:21 2015 No.2384186 File: 141 KB, 543x405, 1429632801834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2384007 Fuck man. I wonder if that is the same guy on bemanisows.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:50:52 2015 No.2384207 File: 55 KB, 168x198, batsugun-pigL.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2370349 Came in the thread to post this. For shame, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:57:41 2015 No.2384217 >>2384186 Has something happened since the death of PSun?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 23:59:34 2015 No.2384220 >>2384217 psun is still up m8

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 00:06:01 2015 No.2384225 >>2384220 PSun has had nothing but a splash screen since PWorld died. I did mean PWorld though, so I'll ask again. Has anything happened since the death of PWorld?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 00:07:46 2015 No.2384227 >>2384225 As in any new service or anything? No. Seems everyone is now scared of Konami though so I hope Pendual and other Bemani games still get released.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 00:20:55 2015 No.2384253 >>2384227 Well then what is >>2384186 talking about?

Anonymous Tue May 5 00:25:42 2015 No.2384262
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>>2384253
That post is talking about DariusBirst AC. Some guy on sows said he cracked it and was going to release it after he cleaned some stuff up. I posted wondering if that was the same guy posting on shmupsforum.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 00:40:25 2015 No.2384287 >>2384262 Oh, I didn't think there'd be any discussion of shmups on sows. Mystery solved. That image sure puts the aspect ratio into perspective. If there was ever a game I'd buy a second monitor for, Dariusburst AC would be it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 04:17:35 2015 No.2384497 File: 67 KB, 600x477, 1332209108868.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >dying on purpose can raise your score

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 04:22:09 2015 No.2384503 Can you loop R-Type Delta? I fucking it a good shmup has no loops.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 04:25:36 2015 No.2384508 >>2383247 >Mamorukun >girl ohhohohoho It's pretty good if you like the Pocky & Rocky.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 04:36:23 2015 No.2384515 What are some of your favorite songs from shmups? I love the name entry song from R-Type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZcPfjzflk

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 05:05:59 2015 No.2384537 >>2384176 And the absurdly long surfboard-shaped hitbox didn't bother you at any point? I find that unusual.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 05:23:49 2015 No.2384545 File: 17 KB, 512x448, SM29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any other games that have the same I don't know "gamefeel" as U.N. Squadron?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 05:45:44 2015 No.2384553 >>2384537 Once you know the hitbox you adapt to it, what's the mystery?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 05:48:18 2015 No.2384554 >>2384545 You should try the spiritual sequel, Carrier Airwing.

Anonymous Tue May 5 06:04:56 2015 No.2384561

>>2384515
I'd list Dariusburst songs but they all get taken down from jewtube.
Now that I think about it, my favourite soundtracks are all from non-retro shmups. G-Darius is the only one that comes to mind for me otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UR-VfK4io

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 06:13:07 2015 No.2384563 File: 39 KB, 320x224, bigcoreiii.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2384515 Gradius III has the best music of the series, imho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLohFhobgjE

Anonymous Tue May 5 06:16:47 2015 No.2384564

>>2384553
It's awkward as fuck, and some of the gaps the game forces you through are stupidly precise with a hitbox like that. The game is 100% IWBTG-tier memoshit anyway. Enemies take way too long to kill at low power, so you just have to remember how to position yourself the whole way through so they don't fly into you, and most of them have ridiculous movement patterns that aren't easy to remember.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 06:28:29 2015 No.2384567 >>2381141 check out gunnac on the nes, it's a quality title that's also easy as fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 06:44:55 2015 No.2384576 So I've been using shmupmame 2.2 for years, and only got around to checking for a new version. I'm now setting up 4.2, but I cannot for the life of me find any way to change the controls. Please advise.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 06:56:17 2015 No.2384591 >>2384576 Should be under tab menus. It is for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 07:01:26 2015 No.2384594 >>2384591 Had no idea such a menu existed until now. Cheers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 07:39:29 2015 No.2384624 Well this is shit, turns out most of my old roms don't work with the updated mameshmup version.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 09:37:54 2015 No.2384720 File: 65 KB, 285x276, 1430501546235.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there some place that has the whole Cave ROM Set? Everything I can find is offline.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 11:42:42 2015 No.2384826 >>2384624 Get your roms from retroroms, as for neo geo roms they never show but boot anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:59:27 2015 No.2384897 Can't we also talk about non-retro shmups here? On /v/ noone cares about shmups to talk about them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:04:23 2015 No.2384905 >>2384897 It'd be nice to include them. Maybe it'd be better if this thread moved to /vg/. I'm sure you all have a problem with that, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:17:09 2015 No.2384923 >>2384905 >Maybe it'd be better if this thread moved to /vg/ Yea, that really would be awesome imo. Otherwise you just have no way to talk about non-retro shmups here.

Anonymous Tue May 5 13:37:45 2015 No.2384940
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>>2363663
I like homing, so I can focus on dodging, but it really depends on the game. Sometimes I go for lasers if the popcorn aren't a threat, but there are tons of hard to kill enemies who like to linger on the screen.

>>2383247
I imported it before it was localized, and it's peculiar for a shmup because you're on the ground walking around and there's obstacles and various paths to take. I wouldn't call it a bullet hell, either. It can get intense, but the screen coverage is somewhere in between. Definitely fun. Multiple characters and modes. The temple stage is bullshit though. Too many stage hazards.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:50:55 2015 No.2384953 >>2384905 >>2384923 I would love an /stg/ general, we could have scoring tables, weekly games and our own memes, but I doubt it would be active enough to survive on /vg/.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:57:10 2015 No.2384961 >>2384953 Wasn't there one on /vg/ a few years ago? As I recall, it was terrible and plagued by an infamous tripfag posting hundreds of replies in every thread. This thread is much better by comparison.

Anonymous Tue May 5 15:34:21 2015 No.2385118

What do you guys think of Side Arms? I played it again for the first time in like 20 years, and it's a lot less fun than I remember. The first couple of areas are pretty easy, but once they start spamming you with the centipede things (which are really tedious to kill) it all went to shit. The fact that you continue where you died doesn't help much, since the invincibility period is so short you're almost sure to respawn in the middle of a bullet or enemy. That, and facing that one boss about six times was kind of lame.

>>2384961
I'm new, what's so bad about Tripfags?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:37:51 2015 No.2385127 There have been generals on /vg/ but they are always dead. There are sometimes shmups generals on /jp/ too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:41:20 2015 No.2385136 >>2385118 are you playing the arcade version? play the pc engine one instead, it lets you switch weapons you might want to check out forgotten realms, battlemania daiginjou, deathsmiles

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:43:08 2015 No.2385142 >>2384940 >game gear games the worst I'll fight you. Seriously, what's so bad about them besides the cramped playfield?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:46:50 2015 No.2385153 >>2385136 I'm ashamed I never played that, I'll have to see how that one plays in comparison. Also those are good recommendations, I like those a lot (although the renders are kind of creepy in Deathsmiles).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:47:11 2015 No.2385154 File: 961 KB, 800x600, cave.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2384720 I have them and I'm not helping you, fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:51:48 2015 No.2385172 File: 26 KB, 243x467, Unbenannt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2385154 Don't worry fagget, got what I needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 15:53:56 2015 No.2385183 >>2384897 It's not all bad, there was a whole 10 response thread earlier.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:08:06 2015 No.2385226 >>2385172 How many of these run half decently?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:10:35 2015 No.2385234 Why is mame such a shit emulator? The fuck you need different version roms for.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:11:56 2015 No.2385240 >>2385226 Did a quick check on DDP DF, Mushihime-sama and DeathSmiles. All worked really well for at least the first 4 stages/game.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:14:34 2015 No.2385251 >>2385127 >/jp/ Shooters threads there are dead due to faggot mods raping the entire board.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:18:56 2015 No.2385260 >>2385240 I tried mushi, the music starts skipping pretty badly during explosions or lots of bullets, but it could be my computer being too toaster for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:24:30 2015 No.2385269 >>2385260 Is there a Mame version that supports the newer games and has the input latency fixes similar to shmupmame? The ones I've tried have that signature latency which is no fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:32:46 2015 No.2385286 >>2385269 No, from what I hear that's going to be a long time coming.

Anonymous Tue May 5 16:33:37 2015 No.2385291

>>2382592
Shmups forum did this youtube playlist which is pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUZn8CCbtsBaAMaU1sMysHZwsUIA67y7e

Has anyone here played Air Gallet? I want to know if it blows your socks off because I'm considering trying it out.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:35:51 2015 No.2385296 >>2385291 It's good fun m8, very Raiden Fighters-esque

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:36:57 2015 No.2385303 >>2385251 These threads have always seemed better than the ones on /jp/ anyway. /jp/ shooter threads almost always devolve into CAVEfag-touhoufag shitflinging and "POST YOUR SCORES FAGGOT".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 16:44:55 2015 No.2385328 >>2385303 I'm sorry you live in a world where people have different opinions than you. It must be so hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:01:03 2015 No.2385361 >>2385260 I'm on a 2500k@4,3GHz, didn't have audio or fps problems.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:14:42 2015 No.2385382 Reminder that bullet hells are not real shmups. shmups/STG's = dubstep bullet hells/danmakus = brostep

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:17:09 2015 No.2385384 >>2385382 shmups/STG's = Ambient bullet hells/danmakus = Noise

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:22:08 2015 No.2385392 >>2385384 shmups/STG's = Chamber music bullet hells/danmakus = Impressionist music

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:36:42 2015 No.2385414 >>2385382 shmups = deep house danmaku = tech house

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:44:48 2015 No.2385428 >>2385328 I'm not sure what you're talking about. Difference in opinion doesn't bother me, endless shitflinging over stuff that doesn't really matter probably bothers most people.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:46:57 2015 No.2385431 >>2385296 Just tried it. Of course I haven't played the whole game yet but the first three stages are great and the graphics are beautiful. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 17:52:33 2015 No.2385440 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiIc2Rby0o why was this port so shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 19:19:16 2015 No.2385604 >>2385382 Yeah, they're better in every way

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:22:51 2015 No.2385717 >>2384897 No. If you use the excuse of /v/ not wanting to talk about something then damn near anything that isn't twitter drama would be allowed here. It sucks but this place shouldn't just be a dumping ground for topics that are hard to discuss on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:25:11 2015 No.2385723 >trying to cave >tfw dying without even realising I was going to get hit It gets easier right?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:25:57 2015 No.2385727 >>2384897 you could try cripplecuckchan.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:30:22 2015 No.2385736 >>2385727 but then you have to deal with people forcing that shit STD meme

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:40:35 2015 No.2385753 >>2384897 very first durrhurrpatchy is retro, just talk about that

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:47:24 2015 No.2385769 >>2385291 I never played it, but I just read on Gazelle's history, they are actually formed by ex-toaplan employers. So essentially air gallet is another toaplan shooter ie retro CAVE shooter. So you know it's gotta be good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:50:14 2015 No.2385775 >>2385723 no

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:50:36 2015 No.2385778 >>2385753 I'm not the biggest big fan of these bullethell shmups. And playing vertis makes worrisome. I'm always afraid my laptop goes to shit when putting it on the site.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:53:41 2015 No.2385784 >>2385769 >Gazelle Wasn't this the name of the studio where many of Irem went? I think it had a similar name.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:54:17 2015 No.2385785 >>2384897 All the best shmups are retro anyways, so who gives a fuck. Shmups stay on /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:55:08 2015 No.2385789 >>2385778 what the hell do you want to talk about, them?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:56:56 2015 No.2385796 >>2385784 doesn't seem to be them, that would be either NAZCA or AICOM.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 20:58:05 2015 No.2385801 >>2385785 >All the best shmups are retro anyways I wouldn't say that. I fnd the best shmups are on the PS2. >>2385789 I would love to talk about R-Type Final for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:00:27 2015 No.2385804 >>2385801 Aside from V, which was a step down from Gaiden to me, what was so great about the PS2 shmups?

Anonymous Tue May 5 21:00:28 2015 No.2385805

>>2385801
that's interesting, because people bring up darius burst, gradius V, contra shattered soldier, ikaruga and r-type final all the time in their respective series threads and no one seemed to bat an eye
I say just talk about whatever and if the janitor deletes your posts don't stress over it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:02:08 2015 No.2385810 >>2385804 v was still way better than iv

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:06:50 2015 No.2385818 >>2385796 I remember the name now. Granzella was the name of the studio where a lot of Irem went. They even said in an interview recently that they are actually still interested in making another R-Type game.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:08:44 2015 No.2385824 >>2385804 I know it gets a lot of flag for its level design/pacing/enemy placements, but I find Final to be pretty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:08:46 2015 No.2385825 >>2385818 cool, they seem to be a really young company, I never heard about them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 21:27:22 2015 No.2385854 >>2385775 It's so draining. No matter how long I play I never feel like I'm getting any better.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 22:40:37 2015 No.2385978 File: 1.35 MB, 480x360, 1405662024291.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2385854

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 23:00:25 2015 No.2386014 >>2363279 "STG" is what I have come to prefer after straight up "shoot em up." it's pure cringe to actually hear someone unironically say "shmup" when talking about these games.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 23:37:19 2015 No.2386056 >>2363292 Because he gets to look like a special snowflake for hating on widely used word.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 00:10:30 2015 No.2386097 >>2385382 so who are the Burial and Skrillex of STGs and Danmakus respectively R-Type and Touhou?

Anonymous Wed May 6 00:28:38 2015 No.2386113

>>2385854

Busting through a plateau in anything is hard. You always get to a point where you can't make any progress, or seem to be getting worse. It's really, really hard to get past that.

First off, not shmup but just in general try to make sure you're getting enough sleep/nutrition and some exercise. Basic stuff but it makes a huge difference in motivation, consistency, etc.

Two things really help. First is just to track and log your progress. It's easy to just fire up a game and go, but keeping some sort of brief log and taking a note or two on a replay will give you a ton more insight into where you're really having trouble.

Second is to just try to narrow your focus and aim for small goals every session. Its so easy to get overwhelmed and say something like "stage 4 just murders me", when the real problem might be 3 or 4 specific patterns. If one seems too complicated, you can still make progress in a practice session ("I need to start over here on the screen" or "I need to be moving in this general direction while dodging" for example). Eventually all those little things add up into a whole stage.

It takes a lot of work to 1cc a game, but the feeling of clearing for the first time is indescribable. Just stay consistent, and focus on your one little goal per session. Take notes, especially for full runs, and generally try to not get emotional about stuff. Eventually it does come.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 02:22:35 2015 No.2386238 >>2384897 In my opinion everything should go here whats the point splitting such a tiny fanbased in pieces anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 02:53:50 2015 No.2386270 >>2386238 Ok, then what is your opinion of R-Type Final? Is it really that bad as many people say? It gets a flak for its pacing, but I find the game challenging as hell. It's the best shmup imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 03:35:52 2015 No.2386312 File: 920 KB, 1366x768, sb1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] soreyuke burunyanman HARDCORE

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 16:20:01 2015 No.2387249 >>2385723 It does. You'll learn when enemies shoot, how they shoot, where they come from and how you can take them out quickly. After a while reading the mess of bullets becomes second nature, it's just a matter of sticking with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:13:32 2015 No.2387337 R-Type or R-Type 2? R-Type seems hopeless but I assume if I give up and go to 2 it will be no more merciful.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:15:46 2015 No.2387342 >>2386238 Get the fuck out PS2fag, and take your collection of mediocre shmups with you back to /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:17:47 2015 No.2387349 >>2387342 Sorry faggot, nice try , but I don't play console ports.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:17:57 2015 No.2387351 >the only shmup i've ever played was Gradius III on the snes What's a good place for someone to start that can only beat Gradius III because of the slowdown that happens?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:19:39 2015 No.2387354 >>2387351 jikkyo oshaberi parodius on SNES

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 17:29:32 2015 No.2387368 File: 863 KB, 1029x1200, 29677597_p1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2387337 R-Type II is harder. R-Type I is actually quite easy for an R-Type game.

OP Here Wed May 6 17:56:07 2015 No.2387415
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>>2385723
The Chump's Guide to CAVE: https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B8covFKz7cxjYmU1NmZhZmMtMzMzMi00ZjZhLTljOTktZjFlNzdlMzRjZGJl

>>2387337
R-Type II Is a nightmare; don't even attempt it if you're hopeless at the original game. Try III or Delta.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 23:52:29 2015 No.2387997 Is it ok to turn a laptop sideways to play verticals or is this rather a bad idea?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 23:54:53 2015 No.2388003 >>2387997 >Is it ok to turn a laptop sideways to play verticals or is this rather a bad idea? Depends on the make of the laptop, but generally they are built to vent heat properly while sitting level.

Anonymous Thu May 7 00:25:56 2015 No.2388060

Does anyone have a rar of shmupmame with all the roms or something because I'm getting pissed off here. I have been trying forever to get all these games working, but it either will not even read that the game is in the rom and when it does it says it's missing files in the rom, like for example. I have Daioujou, and the Black Label, I have both in the folder, but Black Label will not run.

What the hell am I doing wrong? It's pissing me the hell off, and I also have the Dai-Fukkastu roms in there too but those don't even show up in the list. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, there's like no explanation.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:28:52 2015 No.2388065 >>2388060 >What the hell am I doing wrong? Blame the retards who develop mame

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:30:11 2015 No.2388071 >>2388065 I know they run, I've seen them on youtube and people talking about them, I just don't understand why it doesn't even show up. I wish there didn't have to be a damn list, and you could just do file open rom and choose it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:35:45 2015 No.2388082 >>2388071 Did you audit the games? If not do that. If it wont run or gives an error you might need to find another rom dump or try a different version of mame. Also make sure the rar file are in the rom folder. I can run daioujou on shmupemame4.2

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:37:11 2015 No.2388085 >>2388071 Nevermind, I found out whats wrong. Shmupmame is a piece of shit and everything works in the regular release of mame. What the hell man

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:42:35 2015 No.2388096 >>2363270 I'm once play shmup in NES,the plane is shaped like winged capsule,anyone knows the title? we could buy a lot of upgrade for it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 00:57:10 2015 No.2388119 >>2388096 Fantasy Zone. The arcade version is superior, go play that.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 01:00:53 2015 No.2388124 >>2387354 That game just goes by Parodius right, or is that a different game? Also how hard is it compared to SNES Gradius III?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 04:09:33 2015 No.2388308 >>2388060 I fucking already told you dipshit get the roms from retromroms as they're always the most updated and always work in shmupmame.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 04:10:44 2015 No.2388310 >>2388071 Don't forget the bios files btw.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 04:13:23 2015 No.2388314 >>2385804 Agreed V was honestly overly long and boring I really don't get it's hype. Gaiden allday.

Anonymous Thu May 7 07:04:19 2015 No.2388428
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Hey guys, I'm looking to get more into shmups. I've finished Ikaruga, the odd R-type/Darius/parodius and that but mostly console stuff like Mars Matrix (I've burned most of the DC library) and I'm looking to getting into MAME stuff.

Besides recommendations are there any preferred mame emulators, setups and romsets kinda thing? Currently playing DoDonPachi on shmupmame. But I've been enjoying this thread so much I just wanted to say hey.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 07:31:56 2015 No.2388457 >>2388071 ur missing universe bios. romsites cant provide them because the company that makes them is still active and holds the copyright go to the official site and download all of them there, them put them inside neogeo.zip

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 07:41:52 2015 No.2388479 >>2388308 thanks, i've bookmark that mame site now

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 07:45:45 2015 No.2388484 I'M A BIG GUY 4 UY

Anonymous Thu May 7 08:24:37 2015 No.2388527

>>2388428
i recommend getting the cheats file from pugsy and placing it in your mame root directory. enable cheats in default game options
depending on the game they might give you invincibility or constant max power ups which might help plan out your routes, they might unlock new ships, modes, stage select, display ranking in yagawa games, and so on

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 14:56:06 2015 No.2389000 Thoughts on the Rayxanber series?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 14:58:34 2015 No.2389009 >>2389000 they are pretty great

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:00:05 2015 No.2389017 >>2388124 >That game just goes by Parodius right, or is that a different game? What? >Also how hard is it compared to SNES Gradius III? Much more forgiving, and you can turn off checkpoint respawns if those things bother you.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:05:34 2015 No.2389036 >>2388124 there are three parodius sequels on snes: parodius da!, gokujou parodius and oshaberi parodius And they are entirely different from each other.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:24:29 2015 No.2389062 >>2363270 I actually think Daifukkatsu is great. Vanilla is so-so but Black Label is awesome as is Arrange L or whatever that thing was called.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:30:47 2015 No.2389071 >Not playing a credit of Dangun Feveron every day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xss2CZv5QTM

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:39:36 2015 No.2389079 >>2389062 shame bl will never be on mame

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:42:09 2015 No.2389081 >>2389079 I have a 360 just for Cave games and Eschatos. Surprisingly they're still expensive as fuck new. I don't know why.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 15:43:16 2015 No.2389083 >>2389000 >>2389000 II was meh III is GOAT haven't played I yet but I've heard it borders on kusoge quality, anyone know if this is true?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 16:00:07 2015 No.2389103 >>2389081 You best have Ginga Force m8

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 16:58:56 2015 No.2389168 >>2382947 I now got 1.39 trillion with a game over on the last boss just before making it to 1.4. I feel like I feel like I'm starting to get some sort of hang of scoring, I had my best stage 3 ever with 0.45 trillion points.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 17:15:46 2015 No.2389197 >>2389081 I could get a PAL 360 for not much but the J ones on ebay are always too expensive for a poorfag. They're like three times as much, what the fuck. Then there's plugging the damn thing in without blowing it up.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 17:34:58 2015 No.2389230 >>2388428 >I've finished... You only really finish them if you 1cc them

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 17:38:41 2015 No.2389239 >>2389197 >tfw you bought muchi muchi pork/pink sweets brands new foe $50 a couple weeks before the price shot up into the hundreds

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 17:55:45 2015 No.2389269 Guise? can we speak about more modern danmakus?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 17:57:52 2015 No.2389273 >>2389017 Worded it very poorly, but i meant to ask if there was just 1 Parodius, which this anon >>2389036 answered

Anonymous Thu May 7 17:59:12 2015 No.2389279
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>>2389239
Nigga whaaaaat.
I Pre-Ordered the game from YesAsia (or something like that) for the PO Bonus. Of course I never got it, they send another copy - of course without the PO "yeah to late mate". Was fucking angry because I paid like 60€ back then. Played both MMP / Ibara once, didn't like them. Now I check Ebay and yeah... gotta sell this fast. Why didn't I keep it sealed, I even have a X360 with LT+ FW.
Thanks mate, I could have fucked up selling the game for like 10€.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:04:01 2015 No.2389285 >>2389269 If you make an STG thread on /v/ or general on /vg/, sure, but they're not /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:04:46 2015 No.2389287 >>2389269 go ahead, worst that could happen are your posts getting deleted

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:05:51 2015 No.2389290 >>2389287 I guess I can make it more retro by just asking for a similar retro game. Deathsmiles, gimme something similar.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:06:35 2015 No.2389291 >>2389290 battlemania daiginjou, side arms dyne, forgotten realms

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:10:13 2015 No.2389304 >>2389269 No you newfag shit, shmup threads are for manic and traditional shmups, not danmaku.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:12:14 2015 No.2389306 >>2389290 burai fighter, magical chase

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:13:14 2015 No.2389307 >>2389290 not retro but trouble witches, akai katana, progear

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:14:36 2015 No.2389310 File: 124 KB, 640x882, 1693710-kolibri_eu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what do you think of this game

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:17:18 2015 No.2389314 >>2389310 I think it's more of a maze and action game, just like ecco. Only the scrolling stages play like a shmup. Pushing rocks was particularly very annoying and ecco-like.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:18:18 2015 No.2389315 >>2389310 Beautiful sprite art.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 18:27:25 2015 No.2389336 >>2389290 did you know someone cracked deathsmiles 2 to run on windows?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 19:54:47 2015 No.2389512 >>2389310 The greatest game starring a hummingbird for the 32X of all time.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:03:31 2015 No.2389531 Akai Katana and DoDonPachi Saidaioujou on MAME will be released only on 2022. Thank you and Fuck you Haze!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:09:16 2015 No.2389538 >>2389531 why? someone could still dump the roms earlier, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:12:22 2015 No.2389542 >>2389531 oh shit, they just added daifukkatsu black label

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:21:16 2015 No.2389564 >>2389531 Is there an official announcement? I don't get it, daifukkatsu black label is a 2010 game. Also is there an arcade version of pink sweets 1.05 or is it xbox 360 exclusive?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:30:49 2015 No.2389581 >>2389336 Yes, I was aware, haven't found the dl however, honestly Im just interested in the first one for the moment.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:37:52 2015 No.2389594 >>2363883 I have heard brawlers and beat 'em ups, but not the others.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:53:08 2015 No.2389604 >>2389581 if you find me a host i could upload the game for you

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:56:48 2015 No.2389609 >>2389604 Nah thanks, I'm happy with the first one.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 20:59:56 2015 No.2389620 >>2389604 i have the game but not the crack. can you up it to mega?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 21:04:43 2015 No.2389632 >>2389620 i made a free account, uploading should be done in an hour and half

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 22:14:49 2015 No.2389768 >>2389632 >>2389620 it's done https://mega.co.nz/#!9xEhSA6D!E0GifY-OxAeJTK7uYjlOfpKOk1eBFXgBSIgfCK5Tryk use ds2_config.exe to change keys game.bat to run close and open again if graphics glitch out

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 22:16:14 2015 No.2389772 >>2389768 Thanks m8

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 23:06:49 2015 No.2389884 >>2363279 Wife calls 'em shumps, which I like, since it's like mispronouncing names on purpose to annoy.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 23:44:46 2015 No.2389953 >>2389604 Any chance you could put the game on mega? Unless there's a torrent somewhere I could jump on

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 23:52:58 2015 No.2389967 >>2389884 Doe your wife like photography?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 23:54:53 2015 No.2389969 >>2389953 Oops, I'm a dumbass. Thanks anon, you made my night.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 00:00:35 2015 No.2389979 >>2389967 Wink wink, nudge nudge! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, ay? Ay?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 03:02:22 2015 No.2390207 >>2381389 pls respond

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 03:06:43 2015 No.2390216 >>2389967 , he asked him knowingly

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 03:11:22 2015 No.2390219 reminder that ikaruga is shit. garbage scoring game

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 03:12:18 2015 No.2390221 >>2390219 >being a pleb who cant s rank

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 03:19:21 2015 No.2390226 Is there any way to enable autofire on shmupmame 2.2?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 04:10:54 2015 No.2390310 >>2390219 >garbage scoring game Guess every game ever made with a score counter is piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 04:17:26 2015 No.2390319 >>2390219 reminder that you are a hipster

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 05:21:29 2015 No.2390365 >>2390226 a cheap solution would be to put the same button on two different keys, say z and x, then just do the track and field method where you alternate pressing them really fast

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 05:41:30 2015 No.2390387 >>2390365 This would be even more exhausting. And if I press them together it would just get recognized as one shot.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 05:59:57 2015 No.2390420 >>2390387 works for me whether its recognized as one shot or not depends on the game

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 06:02:43 2015 No.2390424 >>2390387 btw this is the method that people who play garegga, ibara use it's where i get the idea from

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 06:04:23 2015 No.2390426 >>2389083 I is decent for an FM Towns shmup.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 06:21:23 2015 No.2390442 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqrrDfwMkd8 Quality port

Anonymous Fri May 8 13:22:25 2015 No.2390851

>>2390310
I think he meant that Ikaruga is boring to play for survival, but overly tedious and autistic to play for score. Everything is too static and it relies too much on memorization to execute. It's just not very enjoyable to play for anything, unless you're a casual who's easily impressed by neat art and good music.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:42:17 2015 No.2390885 Why did Donpachi suddenly go all weeaboo on us in the later games?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:46:09 2015 No.2390892 >>2390885 cashing in on mushihime's success

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:46:20 2015 No.2390893 >>2390885 Otakus only play danmaku. What do otakus love? Anime girls.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:48:04 2015 No.2390897 >>2390851 i actually find the third stage of urrkurruga with the lasers harder than the third stage of most bullet hells and yeah it really is a memorization fest people just like hating on it because it's popular

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:49:56 2015 No.2390902 >>2390897 Dodonpachi is popular too but you don't see people shitting on it like you do with Ikaruga

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:50:43 2015 No.2390905 >>2390893 not even otakus are interested in that shit anymore, they moved on to cellphone games with boat lolis

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:52:37 2015 No.2390913 >>2390902 yes they do, after daioujou there's a lot of controversy with caving casualizing them up by adding autobombs, long ass hypers and the counter rolling back instead of resetting and not carrying on after every stage

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 13:54:08 2015 No.2390921 >>2390902 >>2390913 i mean, i know a lot of people who would rather play the original on ps1 or daioujou on ps2 than buy a japanese xbox 360 for the latter games

Anonymous Fri May 8 13:54:22 2015 No.2390923

>>2390893
Makes sense but I used to play shmups in general because I liked oldschool video games where you dodge things and blow things up and I do not understand the anime shit at all

Then again I grew up in the 90s where shmups were all futuristic, military, fantasy or cyberpunk themed

Anonymous Fri May 8 13:57:56 2015 No.2390929

>>2390923
everything was better back in the 90s, shmups were a mainstream genre that sold consoles not some niche masochistic ritual for autists
the selling points of the pc engine and the sega genesis were all about their awesome shmup ports from the arcade. That would never happen now.
btw look up the toaplan ports on the genesis, it's cave before they became cave

Anonymous Fri May 8 14:01:50 2015 No.2390935

>>2390929
>niche masochistic ritual for autists
This makes sense

Yeah I know Taoplan, I've played some of their games on MAME. Might give Dogyuun and Batsugun another blast. Do you prefer the original arcade versions of say Truxton or the ports?

also Battle Garegga was like the balance between oldschool and this "bullet hell" shit, that was a beautiful game

Even G-Darius was fairly popular on PSX iirc. ps2 was pretty much the death of that genre aside from nostalgia purposes

(Gradius III and IV as a launch title? wtf were they thinking)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:05:32 2015 No.2390943 >>2390935 why do people love garegga but never talk about bakraid?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:06:19 2015 No.2390946 >>2390929 Now that's just an insult to Toaplan. The only Cave-like Toaplan shmups are Batsugun and maybe V-V.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:09:10 2015 No.2390951 >>2390946 and air gallet

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:09:56 2015 No.2390952 >>2390943 Battle Bakraid was good but Garegga was the first in that particular series of Raizing shmups plus I preferred it's wartorn quasi-steampunk aesthetic compared to Bakraid which seemed a lot lighter in tone

Anonymous Fri May 8 14:10:03 2015 No.2390953
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>>2390923
The anime characters are rarely seen in the games, and a lot of 90's shmups like had anime characters piloting the ships, the style was just different because of the time period. I have no idea why people keep making a big deal out of this when it's a non-issue.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:10:17 2015 No.2390954 >>2390946 their stages go on for too long, you know :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:11:46 2015 No.2390959 >>2390953 Maybe because not everyone is a closeted homo with relationship issues.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:12:55 2015 No.2390960 >>2390959 ebin

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:13:46 2015 No.2390963 >>2390960 Faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:18:10 2015 No.2390971 >>2390954 the shark games are literally perfect slap fight is good too

Anonymous Fri May 8 14:27:04 2015 No.2390987

>>2390953
That was the early 90s when anime wasn't as weeaboo infested as it is now, plus it was pretty lowkey back then.

It was like, "oh a Japanese game with japanese anime characters, I've never seen an anime before but COOL" and at least the designs weren't weird as fuck. Now it's all weird little girls and plots about what the fuck ever, I don't even care, Batsugun was "here's anime dudes go blow shit up" the end

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:28:28 2015 No.2390993 File: 35 KB, 448x395, 0000crop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How awesome was Cybattler?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:30:59 2015 No.2391000 >>2390993 pretty unique, feels like a beat'em up for some reason

Anonymous Fri May 8 14:31:38 2015 No.2391002

>>2390987
>I don't even care
Then just fucking ignore them like a lot of other players do. Change the wallpaper to something that doesn't include characters and don't look at the cover art. It's not like Dodonpachi has you constantly fighting underage anime girls as bosses, you're still destroying various machinery and the only sign of anime are the voice clips.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:34:37 2015 No.2391008 File: 344 KB, 754x1010, ddp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2391002 >It's not like Dodonpachi has you constantly fighting underage anime girls as bosses

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:36:01 2015 No.2391010 >>2391008 >dat prerendered 3D dear god

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:37:51 2015 No.2391015 >>2390993 What I really like about this game is how you can turn in 8 directions and there are enemies coming from below and the sides. Battles don't feel unidimensional like other shooters.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:39:08 2015 No.2391020 >>2391008 Now post some bosses like that from Saidaioujou

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:39:19 2015 No.2391021 >>2391008 You see, this kind of garbage I'm talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:45:13 2015 No.2391031 File: 791 KB, 2484x1408, lolibachi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2391020 voiceoverjou is the worst offender and you should fucking know it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:45:22 2015 No.2391032 File: 17 KB, 384x224, 1394320474327.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2391008

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:46:13 2015 No.2391035 >>2391032 that's macross 2, good game you need to score attack in order to make progress

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:46:23 2015 No.2391036 >>2391000 Haha I just decided to play this and thought the same thing, even the "GET ON" sub-weapon . I love that shit in games, "GO!" "PICK UP!" and so on. Not sure about the "SHUNT BACK TO THE MIDWAY POINT" when you die but I guess I just suck

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:47:39 2015 No.2391039 >>2391035 >good game it's all weird little girls and plots about what the fuck ever, I don't even care

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:48:19 2015 No.2391042 >>2391031 Good luck actually getting to that

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:49:01 2015 No.2391045 >>2391039 well you know it's an anime tie in, right? from the anime called Macross. It's right there in the title.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:50:02 2015 No.2391049 >>2391042 oh nice backpedal you faggit next your gonna tell me to post high scores

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:50:11 2015 No.2391050 File: 258 KB, 1600x844, strike-gunner-s-t-g-am.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have anyone played pic related? I think it's a good game but I'm not very good at shmup's

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:51:11 2015 No.2391053 >>2391049 No but you posted the only little girl boss in the entire game, and most people won't even get to see her. I can't really defend the Daifukkatsu boss designs but Saidaioujou does not suffer from that at all

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:51:30 2015 No.2391054 >>2391050 The snes port has fewer enemies but extra stages not in the arcade version. The coolest thing about this game is that when playing a 2P game both ships can combine into a powered up ship.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:52:17 2015 No.2391057 File: 146 KB, 256x358, bariarm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is one of my favorite horizontal shooters. Really fun level design with stage hazards and gimmicks, and fantastic music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upu5kSjORrI

Anonymous Fri May 8 14:52:35 2015 No.2391058

>>2391002
>>2391008
>>2391031
Wow this is really making me want to play the game.

But seriously this is what I mean - Batsugun is like "hell yeah oldschool shmups, oh look some anime characters" but it's not a big deal.

this game makes me embarassed to play it. look it's anime schoolgirl right in your face. right on your tv screen. anime bosses.

What really saddens me is that it's the direction the Donpachi series decided to take. Donpachi was cool because it had a cool cybertech feel with that cocky co-commentator,
>WATCH YOURSELF KID
It was great. it was acceptable.

this is like
>ona donodonpachi koriestu desu!! ~~

I just don't get the schoolgirl aesthetic. If it was some anime pilots or something sure but this is covered in weird schoolgirl fetish shit. Why did they go from cool cyberpunk shit to this?

>voice clips
Yeah screaming little girls in Japanese right great, ok have fun, I'll stick with my Raiden and Aero Fighters because that had taste, that had subtlelty, at least.

(plus it's a modern bullet hell type shooter where all fun is taken out anyway and all about "score attack" and "score systems", and it's like mannn it's just not the same anymore, so gameplay wise I'm not interested anyway)
>>2391032
not sure I can explain this one though but hey Japan is weird as fuck huh. I guess being based on an oldschool anime it was going to have some weird shit like this huh

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 14:54:02 2015 No.2391062 >>2391053 on the other hand saidaijarjar has constant moaning and talking and giant anime cliparts of little girls all over the screen

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 15:18:42 2015 No.2391115 >>2391050 it's alright, not great but not bad, should be a good starting point. Most of the strats on the chump's guide should work here

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 15:20:18 2015 No.2391118 >>2391058 ketsui is like a return to everything you liked, even the scoring is pretty straightforward and simple to understand

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 15:23:12 2015 No.2391125 >>2391118 >ketsui Yeah I've played Ketsui and to be honest that and DaiOuJou were the last acceptable games before the shitstorm

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 15:32:28 2015 No.2391139 >>2391058 >I don't like bullet hell That's understandable, talk about the games you do like, then.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 15:34:22 2015 No.2391142 >>2391058 >I don't like bullet hell You should talk more about the games you do like, then.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 16:15:49 2015 No.2391212 >>2391142 I like Call Of Duty

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 16:28:28 2015 No.2391251 >>2391212 that's a good shmup

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 16:38:09 2015 No.2391279 >>2390971 you forgot the twin cobra (or kyukyoku tiger)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 16:42:55 2015 No.2391294 OMG watch this https://youtu.be/H7N01ItA9mE

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 16:59:09 2015 No.2391342 I like anime girls and i dont even watch anime

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:00:44 2015 No.2391343 >>2391342 You sick fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:00:45 2015 No.2391345 >>2391342 and how is that videogames?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:01:57 2015 No.2391347 >>2391345 Read the last bit of the thread you fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:02:40 2015 No.2391350 >>2391347 no, really, how the fuck is that videogames

Anonymous Fri May 8 17:03:52 2015 No.2391354

For someone with such a hateboner towards anime girls, /vr/ sure does bitch and moan like one.

How about playing bullet hell games in a way that you like, if you like them? You can survival bomb the first loop and call it done, or you can try to clear the second loop with a giant score, or anything in between.

Whoa - that sounds just like every STG out there!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:06:26 2015 No.2391364 >>2391354 that's a waste of time, though. why bother when you could be getting a degree, learning a second language, becoming fit, practicing an instrument, hitting on girls...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:24:31 2015 No.2391416 >>2391364 because people like different thing, retard?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:26:07 2015 No.2391423 >>2391416 well, then stop liking the wrong things

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:31:17 2015 No.2391438 >>2391354 I'm not sure you understand, I just don't want anime girls in my shmups, OKAY??????????????????????????????????????

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 17:41:09 2015 No.2391449 >>2391438 They made Cho Aniki and Tyrian 2000 for people like you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 18:47:06 2015 No.2391607 >>2391031 Not that difficult to get to her it's only 1 loop also.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 18:47:25 2015 No.2391610 >>2391058 If you're embarrassed over anime schoolgirls then what the hell are you doing on 4chan? There's far worse shit posted here on a daily basis.

Anonymous Fri May 8 19:00:04 2015 No.2391658
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>>2389230
>You only really finish them if you 1cc them

So like I was saying, I've finished Ikaruga, the odd R-type/Darius/parodius and that but mostly console stuff like Mars Matrix (I've burned most of the DC library) and I'm looking to getting into MAME stuff.

Anyone got any recommendations for fun MAME shmups?

Anonymous Fri May 8 19:01:02 2015 No.2391662

Combining Anime characters and ships is pretty much the best thing you can do financially.

You can produce figurines for the characters and scale model kits for the ships.

Anyways pretty much ever dev has done a character based shooter Caladrius was done by Raiden devs.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 19:02:03 2015 No.2391668 >>2391658 Gunbird 2

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 19:09:06 2015 No.2391697 >>2391658 Carrier Airwing. I take it you dont like Cave shooters or Raizing games?

Anonymous Fri May 8 19:16:57 2015 No.2391732

>>2391668
thanks anon, I think I've burned a copy of that for the DC and not gotten around to yet.

>>2391697
I like a little bit of everything, I'm a little more partial to vertical scrollers. I recently played Lords of Thunder on the SCD and enjoyed that (mostly due to the soundtrack I'll admit) and occasionally I'm a fan of gimmicky stuff like levelling and customising ships. I'm getting a lot of mileage out of the PSP collections of Parodius/Salamander/Twinbee/Gradius during my commute. I'm not a huge fan of Danmaku but if the mechanics are good I'll give it a shot.

I don't think I've played a lot of cave though, I'm currently playing DoDonPachi, and I own a copy of Akai Katana I've never played though.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 21:00:29 2015 No.2392204 >>2391658 Strikers 1945 is a bit on the bland side but it's got some awesome boss fights. Each boss has like four different forms and all end as a mech.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 21:07:08 2015 No.2392220 File: 1.27 MB, 1680x1050, babbysthird.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Now broke 1.6 trillion. This game is great.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 21:39:16 2015 No.2392295 >>2392220 NOT RETRO

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 21:43:04 2015 No.2392304 >>2392295 You're just gonna have to learn to deal with it buckaroo.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 22:20:27 2015 No.2392370 >>2363607 Also NYC doesn't know how to pronounce shit correctly Houston >How-sten GreenWhich >Gren-niche

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 22:48:35 2015 No.2392418 Anyone ever play Coryoon? I played it and thought it was pretty great, but I'm wondering what you guys would want changed or improved in the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 8 23:00:15 2015 No.2392445 >>2392418 Blind 1cc'd it the other day. It's way too easy and I hate shmups that let you take free hits that just lower your power level.

Anonymous Sat May 9 04:52:55 2015 No.2393009
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What do you guys think of Gundhara by "Banpresto"

I find it enjoyable yet I can't shake the feeling this was somekind of stealth development by Seibu Kaihatsu as it has the all famous tooth paste laser trademark

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 12:11:24 2015 No.2393165 >>2390851 All shooters are memorization fests when played for score

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 16:20:49 2015 No.2393587 >>2393165 Not necessarily, good shmups mix in some unpredictable shit along with some static shit (like how Battle Garegga bosses never do exactly the same things in each run). Also for a Treasure game Ikaruga's bosses are fucking shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:05:27 2015 No.2393739 >>2393587 So, in your opinion R-Type games are also shit then or what? What's next, Gradius? Bosses in shmups do not have to act randomly, they often already hard enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:15:47 2015 No.2393764 >>2393739 At least Gradius has a rank system and loops, and lots of generally cool bosses. Ikaruga is just a meme game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:17:35 2015 No.2393772 >>2393764 And you are just a massive hipster.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:24:52 2015 No.2393793 >>2393009 What if we had a shmup about dental hygiene with toothpaste lasers?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:25:34 2015 No.2393797 >>2393772 If he were a hipster he'd be praising something forgotten ages ago like Raptor instead of fucking Gradius.

Anonymous Sat May 9 18:32:12 2015 No.2393818

>>2393797
He didn't praise Gradius, he just said it was a shit shmup, cause it does not have randomly acting boss battles.
Also, Gradius is old school as fuck, while Ikaruga is rather pretty new. No wonder he doesn't try to dis Gradius.

If Ikaruga had horrible shit graphics and noone would play it, I bet he would praise it like the second coming of christ.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:41:50 2015 No.2393830 >>2393818 Since when did Gradius have 100% static enemies like Ikaruga? Crystal/bubble stages alone are more intense than anything in Ikaruga.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:47:18 2015 No.2393836 File: 3 KB, 142x256, ShiningCore.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2393818 >Gradius doesn't have bosses with random attacks What the fuck am I reading.

Anonymous Sat May 9 18:49:49 2015 No.2393843

>>2393830
The enemies are just as static as in Ikaruga. The only difference is that you can aggro them, but this doesn't make them any less predictable. Same goes for umpteens of other great shmups. They are all 100% predictable, if you know the situation well enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:52:07 2015 No.2393849 >>2393836 I honestly dont care much about Gradius. Perhaps it has some little random attacks, i dont care honestly, but saying shmups must have random stuff to be good is just bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 18:55:07 2015 No.2393853 File: 1.20 MB, 776x782, 1417790349069.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why does every shmup thread have to have people fighting over Ikaruga?

Anonymous Sat May 9 18:58:04 2015 No.2393859

>>2393849
The problem with Ikaruga is that it has nothing interesting going for it to spice up different playthroughs. Every run is just as methodical and precise as the last one. This makes the game very repetitive and insipid to replay compared to many other shmups out there. Fuck, even Ikaruga's predecessor was more interesting to play, because it at least had some great boss designs and decent (if sparse) level design.

Anonymous Sat May 9 19:03:02 2015 No.2393865

>>2393859
The replay value of Ikaruga is the same as in every other good shmup. It is about getting better and better and constantly improving your runs.

If you honestly think you can just play this game one time and instantly be a master at it, you must be out of your mind. It takes umpteens of hours of practice to become really good at this game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:05:01 2015 No.2393868 >>2393865 Yeah it took me 30 hours to be able to 1cc and A rank every level on Normal. Thats a lot of time for a 30 minutes game and I didn't even master it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:12:48 2015 No.2393889 >>2393865 But why would you want to master memoshit like Ikaruga when you could be playing fun shmups like Batrider, Mars Matrix, or Slap Fight Special instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:13:42 2015 No.2393890 >>2393889 Why would you limit yourself to one game?

Anonymous Sat May 9 19:18:44 2015 No.2393901

>>2393889
>Batrider, Mars Matrix, or Slap Fight Special
R-Type is also "memoshit" as you call it, and it totally shits on these games.
Memorization is also a skill and not easy to handle. If a shmup has a lot of memorization skill based gameplay, then it also means that you will have to develope a lot of tactical gameplay. Twitch-based shmups are rather much more boring, imo, since you don't have to use your head as much in them, compared to really painstakingly detailed enemy placement as in "memoshit".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:19:08 2015 No.2393904 >>2393818 >If Ikaruga had horrible shit graphics and noone would play it, then it would be called radiant silvergun lol

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:20:13 2015 No.2393906 >>2393843 >100% predictable dude, gradius is infamous for its rank system go get your facts straight

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:21:00 2015 No.2393909 >>2393901 >R-Type is also "memoshit" as you call it, and it totally shits on these games Except it doesn't because horizontal shmups will always be inferior to vertical

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:22:40 2015 No.2393912 >>2393906 http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=42968

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:23:54 2015 No.2393914 >>2393909 That's a really shitty opinion you have there.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:28:35 2015 No.2393923 >>2393901 I think you're just upset that you suck at reflex-based shmups and that you wasted thousands of hours playing an autistic game like Ikaruga.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:29:19 2015 No.2393928 >>2393923 all shmups are autistic, son

Anonymous Sat May 9 19:34:21 2015 No.2393937

>>2393923
No, I just find them rather boring, since you don't have to use your head there.
In games like R-Type you always have to use your head and pay a lot of attention to your positioning. It's a bit like playing chess. Twitch based shumps are just for dumb football players.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:37:46 2015 No.2393939 >>2393937 true except chess didn't take away all your shot and speed powerups after dying and respawned you right before a boss so your a sitting duck

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:38:02 2015 No.2393940 >>2393928 if normal shmups are autistic then ikaruga is autismus maximus

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:39:41 2015 No.2393942 >>2393939 Better not die then

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:39:50 2015 No.2393943 >>2393940 i honestly think chaining bees on an entire loop of donpachi is much worse

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:40:50 2015 No.2393946 >>2393942 so much for strategy, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 19:46:54 2015 No.2393960 >>2393943 DDP scoring is also pretty bad but at least that game has more going for it than Ikaruga does where none of the patterns are intimidating.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:02:17 2015 No.2393984 >>2393960 >where none of the patterns are intimidating Going through all of chapter 4 was overwhelming as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:06:19 2015 No.2393992 >>2393984 Yea, swishing left and right and changing your color every now and then is so hardcore man.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:07:54 2015 No.2393996 >>2393889 Ikarugua is fun and perrty. >>2393904 Hey Radiant Silvergun is cool too.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:12:42 2015 No.2394002 Was Musha always really easy? I managed to get to the final level without dying yesterday after not playing it for years. I remembered the game being way harder than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:33:02 2015 No.2394032 >>2394002 All Compile shmups are extremely easy.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 20:35:21 2015 No.2394038 >>2394035

>>	Anonymous Sat May 9 21:10:51 2015 No.2394102 >>2393937 i no longer play football but otherwise i find this accurate.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 10 00:58:48 2015 No.2394487 >>2391115 A guide to what now?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 10 11:08:38 2015 No.2395064 >>2394038 I'm surprised this thread went on as long as it did.

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