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2363025 No.2363025 [Reply] [Original]

>played this game off and on since I first tried it at a dentist's office in '96 my foster parents had a PSX instead
>only got to 70 stars twice
>just finished going back to 100% it

compared to newer games, it's really not aged all that well, but it's still a fantastic game. only a couple stages really had me scratching my head at where to go like finding where the blue coins spawn in hazy maze cave, and the mechanics are mostly pretty smooth.

fuck tiny-huge island though. only stage in the game that gave me any significant problems, the rest of the stages I finished fairly easily.

>> No.2363031

>aged
Stop

>> No.2363035

>>2363031
there are games that still hold up great even today(ie. super metroid, megaman X), and there are games that seem outdated as shit and crap compared to later games in their franchise.

compare mario 64 to mario sunshine or mario galaxy.

>> No.2363039

>>2363035
If a game was fun then it's fun now. You aged and changed your opinion of it.

>> No.2363046

>>2363031
>denying aging
stop

>> No.2363048 [DELETED] 

>>2363035
Super Mario 64 has the most technical movement compared to any other 3D Mario Game (with the exception of maybe Sunshine).

It's aged like fine wine. If you are talking value the graphics not aging well, that's purely subjective. The movement is incredible and very difficult to master.

>> No.2363052

>>2363046
Nice memetext.

Show me evidence of ones and zeroes in the code aging.

>> No.2363053

>>2363035
>>2363035
Super Mario 64 has the most technical movement compared to any other 3D Mario Game (with the exception of maybe Sunshine).

It's aged like fine wine. If you are talking about the graphics not aging well, that's purely subjective. The movement is incredible and very difficult to master, and is an aspect of game play which Galaxy pales in comparison to.

>> No.2363060

>>2363039
I bet people said the same thing about the telegraph after the telephone came around, right?

>> No.2363068

>>2363052
Guess what, idgit, words can have multiple definitions. In this case our perceptions of a medium, i.e. video games change right along with said medium. Things that once seemed state-of-the-art when they were new are just normal a few years later, if not out-right bad. If improvements to a certain genre came to future games, we recognize that older titles lacked these conveniences and we're all the more aggrivated for it. As >>2363035 said, some games hold up despite our changed perceptions. Some don't. Games age. Some better than most. Deal with it.

>> No.2363076

>>2363060
How is that same? You're talking about physical technology not code.
>>2363068
You're not talking about games. You're talking about technology.

>> No.2363079

>>2363039
not...really?

the game has a lot of flaws that are emphasized by later entries where the gameplay is far more polished. it's still a good game, but it's had flaws now emphasized

>>2363053
being a massive technological improvement does not make a game immune to aging.

also, super mario world has aged far better than mario 64.

>> No.2363081

>>2363076
News flash. video games are technology.

>> No.2363083
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>>2363025
watch your step broski

"aged" triggers the auts around here and isn't just shorthand for holding up to modern design sensibilities like anywhere else, they think you're talking about something like wine

now go enjoy the extra content in the DS version

>> No.2363086

>>2363068
Saying the game ages denies the reality that its subjective opinion. Its not the game that aged, it was you. Your opinions, expectations, and wants out of Mario games changed. Mario 64 stayed the same while your tastes did not.

Saying the games ages takes away from the fact its always the players who shift their feelings. The game never changed.

This is important because other people also play the same games and think differently. I think Mario 64 is a great game and still is (I only ended up actually sitting down and really playing it just a couple of years ago, and this was after having played Mario Galaxy 2). But I also recognize that's just my opinion, man. If I think the game is still good, does that mean it "aged" well? No, it means my tastes stayed close enough to the game's original intended gameplay look and feel for me to still enjoy it. Yours did not. That's okay.

>> No.2363087

>>2363081
Code is code. It's a language not a technology.

>> No.2363090

>>2363035
>mario sunshine
sucked

>> No.2363095

>>2363086
Games age. Deal with it.

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>>2363095
Right, because your subjective opinion determines how well the game aged for everybody else.

>> No.2363106 [DELETED] 

>>2363102
Games age. Deal with it.

>> No.2363289

>>2363079
Are you retarded? I didn't say anything about it being a larger technological improvement making it a better game today. Nor did I say it's immune to "aging".

Galaxy's movement is shit compared to 64) and Sunshine) . It's literally a step backards, and is objectively worse if you are looking at it from the position of which has deeper and complex controls.

I would point to Melee compared to Brawl or Sm4sh as a similar example, but that isn't /vr/. Same principal though.

>> No.2363580

If games don't age, explain to me what it's called when the warranties expire?

>> No.2363606

>>2363102
GODDAMN HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU JESUS CHRIST THIS GAME IS 18 FUCKING YEARS OLD IT FUCKING AGED

>> No.2363691

>>2363052
>pretending to be retarded
You know what he means by aging, our standards of what works in games has improved and some games fall behind.
And yes it's a perfectly valid statement - if games are outclassed by later games there's no reason to play them.

Very few games ever age so poorly that they're not worth playing and OP isn't arguing that's the case for SM64, calm your tits

>> No.2363704

>>2363052
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rot

>> No.2363706

>>2363052
>>2363704
Haha fucking owned.

>> No.2363709

>>2363079
This seems about right. Back in the nineties games could get away with slightly dodgy camera control for example. Or really dreadful and exploitable glitches.

The bosses are also pretty weak. Good fun game though.

>> No.2363712

>>2363704
I know you're joking, but the correct punchline is bit rot.

>> No.2363714

>>2363706
>>2363704
That's hardware causing the the code to corrupt. Cmon children. It's 2015 do we not know the difference between software and hardware?

That common core teaching I guess.

>> No.2363715

>>2363025
I think this game is a master piece and always will be, i think the reason you throw out things like it hasn't 'aged' that well is because you have come accustom to the way you think 3D graphics should display games due to the sheer power of modern titles

When you play a game like super metroid its a different game play style so you do not make a comparison

>> No.2363730

>>2363714
Shifting goalposts again, I see.

>> No.2363732
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2363732

>there are people on /vr/ who honestly think games can age

The /v/ invasion is real

>> No.2363736

>>2363730
Sorry what goal post?

>> No.2363738

>>2363736
>shifts goalposts
>challenged on it
>removes goalposts entirely
Concession accepted.

>> No.2363745

>>2363738
Sounds like a lot of goal posts.

>> No.2364707

>>2363086

the game IS one's perception-of-game. that's the great mystery to communication, that when we reference a game what we really mean is our personal experience of said game, meaning we have always this whole time lived in a plurality of games viewed as one.

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>>2363025
>Foster parents

Sorry buddy

>> No.2364718

>>2363052
you dont need to be so literal and logical like some sort of autist. by aging he means holding up in our eyes throughout the years. jesus you people are annoying. next thing your gonna tell me is the psx came out in 2003 or some shit

>> No.2364742

Tiny Huge island is pretty straight forward, man.

The itty bitty secrets mission is fairly easy to figure out, and gives direct hints on where to go in the Wriggler missions.

>> No.2364761

>>2363087
Languages change all the time. English now is unrecognizable from English of 1000 years ago. Or if you wanna stay on-topic with computer code, they too evolve with improvements. First there was C, then C+, then C++. C is very much a dated code because of what came after it.

>> No.2364772

>>2363691
Thank you! Can we please stop having this argument every time? Just like watching older films, some people have a hard time playing older games. You guys know what they mean.

>> No.2364786

>>2364761
Spoken language changes. Written language is always the same.

>> No.2364825
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>>2363732
It's a fucking designed product. It will age as the ideas of game design change. No one plays Pong anymore because it's too simple, but back in the day that shit was dope as fuck.
Super Mario 64 has some obvious cases of game design commonplace in the early 3D era that has since changed. For example, the game is centered heavily around repeating the same levels with different objectives to maximize the playtime with as few assets as possible, as hardware space grew, collectathons faded away. Super Mario 64 has aged by being an artifact of that time. It doesn't mean it's bad or not fun, but it's aged.
There's more stuff like the primitive camera controls and some levels being designed as just a bunch of geometric shapes and objects thrown into a playing field, but you should get the point if you're not legit retarded.

>> No.2364834

>>2364825
>No one plays Pong anymore
You need to get back to your containment board.

>> No.2364839

>>2364834
Are you seriously trying to imply Pong is as fun now as it was in the 70s? That's just desperate.

>> No.2364843

>>2364839
Ya it's fun. Are you fucking joking? That shit gets intense with 2 players.

Fuck off back to /v/. Fucking kids.

>> No.2364853

>>2364843
I bet you think The Great Train Robbery is an absolutely breathtaking motion picture too.

>> No.2364858

>>2364853
It's pretty amazing given the context.

Unlike you I'm not a shallow person that needs the absolute latest tech and am able to appreciate something for what it is. Aka not a fucking /v/child.

Go bitch about some eceleb or something. Fuck off.

>> No.2364859

>>2364853
Nah, I bet Rise of a Nation is more to that anon's liking, what with him being so exhilarated with archaic products and ideas.

>> No.2364863

>>2363732
>Games can't age

If I was 12 when Mario 64 came out and I looked good as a child, but now 18 years later I look super fugly and fat because I aged poorly, how old is Super Mario 64?

How old is anything? Everything has an age by comparison to now and when it was created.

>> No.2364867

>>2364843
When was the last time you played Pong and when was the last time anybody who grew up with Pong played Pong? All those baby boomers are old now so I should be hearing about it all the time at work instead of hearing them talk about other fun stuff they do instead.

>> No.2364868

>>2364825
>>2364839
>>2364853
>>2364859
>>2364863

Always surprises me just how low modern gamers have become. Can't even enjoy a game unless it says CoD on it anymore.

Don't forget to keep supporting companies that want to make it impossible to play bf1942.

>> No.2364869

>>2364858
Now you're just putting words into my mouth, I never said it lost its historical impact or that it isn't impressive for its time. The same applies to Pong, but the mediums have evolved so vastly since those early examples were created that they become less enjoyable by virtue of everything else being better.
This is also known as something fucking aging.

>> No.2364870

>>2364867
>When was the last time you played Pong
2 players?. Long time ago. Probably sometime last year. Not something I get a chance to play with another person that much. Still fun.

>> No.2364873

>>2364869
Many would argue gaming has devolved. When was the last time something that was just simple and fun was released?

>> No.2364874

>>2364868
>Everyone who's not extremely conservative is a vapid person only interested in the latest trends.
You're dealing in absolute extremes, man.

>> No.2364878

>>2364873
>When was the last time something that was just simple and fun was released?
Probably a couple of hours ago.

>> No.2364881

>>2364874
Sorry /v/ kid. If you don't like pong this is not the board for you.

>> No.2364882

>>2364870
More fun than say, playing an online game with your friends? Or playing Super Smash 64/Melee with 3 friends? Or even playing an in depth RPG?

>> No.2364883

>mu-mu-muh super mario-64 is sacred

Mario 64 isn't actually that enjoyable. It was good for its time but its definitely not nearly as good or enjoyable as later iterations.

I mostly blame the bad control scheme (N64 controller directly responsible) in dealing with the camera and other issues. Its also just got some wonkiness thats not apparent in later iterations.

Its good, not great, probably a 7-8 out of 10 in todays standards.

>> No.2364884

>>2364878
Care to name it?

>> No.2364889

>>2364873
I played a lot of Halo 2 online, CoD Zombies online with friends, New Super Mario Bros, NES Remix 1+2, hell even Minecraft by myself is really fun.

Old =/= Automatically fun and better than new stuff grandpa

>> No.2364893

>>2364882
Well it's more fun than smash for me. Not a big fan of that game. You'll have to be more specific about the rpg.
>>2364889
>I played a lot of Halo 2 online
I would never have guessed.

>> No.2364894

>>2364881
Sure thing, grandpa. It seems I'm no longer welcome in these parts because I did not pass the mandatory /vr/ anti-criticism test.

>> No.2364902

>>2364894
You're hating on pong. The first big arcade game. Fuck off.

>> No.2364904

>>2364893
>Halo 2 came out in 2004-2005
>Implying that playing online with your friends isn't fun
>Implying you would rather being laying on the carpet playing Pong

By no means am I saying Pong isn't fun, but you might as well be arguing that the original form of Hockey is more entertaining than what we have now. Do you still listen to music on tapes or cassettes? Or do you use CD's and MP3 players? You better be posting using a Mac 2 and not a modern PC.

>> No.2364906

>>2364772
>some people have a hard time playing older games
They should stop presenting it as a problem with the game then, and merely state they had trouble enjoying it.

>> No.2364908

>>2364902
>Everybody else thought it was fun so it makes it fun

And you are probably the same person insulting people who like CoD or modern games which sold quite a few more units and have been played quite a few more hours than Pong.

>> No.2364910

>>2364902
I just realized you've actually got some reverse aging mentality going on.
In your mind, the older something gets, the more sacred and perfect it becomes. Anything new is absolute garbage, but wait a couple decades and it will turn into diamonds.

>> No.2364912

>>2364904
HALO is the worst thing to happen to video games since EA or Atari. Started the generic garbage fps bullshit. That game is absolute garbage.

>> No.2364915
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>>2364910
I'm sorry for liking games. Forgot the 6th genners only hate video games now.

>> No.2364917

>>2364912
The american mentality started that. It's no wonder that as soon as the technology was there, we instantly had games about killing nazis in three dimensions.

>> No.2364918

>>2364912
What about it is absolute garbage?
Halo 1 and 2 are both very entertaining and unique games.

What is your opinion on Super Mario World?
>This is the worst thing for modern gaming
>Introducing a save function so you don't have you beat the game in one sitting like a true gamer
>Having more than one exit on a stage to make you back track and enjoy artificial difficulty
>New game plus is just a reskin of the original

You can whine about anything

>> No.2364920

>>2363732
>says the guy posting facebookfrog

>> No.2364923

>>2364915
You're the one who's hateful. Someone says Pong has aged and you throw a temper tantrum berating everything about modern games and call anyone who argues with you kids, demanding them to leave.
I mean, with the demographic of this board, and your obvious obsession with the past, I'd guess you're probably a grown adult. Which just makes it even more embarrassing when you act like a six year old.

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>>2364868
>i dont agree with what anon says
> anon is a drone and a complete slave to companies

nice argument. remember when /vr/ was not full of retards? guess boards do age as well

>> No.2364928

>>2364918
>What about it is absolute garbage?
Garbage weapons
boring empty maps
poor map design in general
terrible moon jump physics
slow movement speed
"serious fps" with regen
The first console game with mas dlc
corridor hell single player


Your comparison to Super Mario World is laughable.
>>2364917
6th genner doesn't know about Wolfenstein.

>> No.2364931

>>2364923
Yet know one has showed how pong has aged other than "insert some modern game garbage I like better".

Some people just games anon.

>> No.2364934

>>2364928
>6th genner doesn't know about Wolfenstein.
That was exactly the game I was referring too, though.

>> No.2364941

>>2364934
That game isn't 3d.

>> No.2364947

>>2364931
>Yet know one has showed how pong has aged

>>2364825
>No one plays Pong anymore because it's too simple, but back in the day that shit was dope as fuck.
It was literally explained the moment it was brought up. It was a super simple game, where the hype was more about the novelty of controlling something digitally on a television screen than actual value of it being an engaging game with any more depth than two variables.
It's not impressive anymore, so we're just left with the naked core of what the actual game was, and it's just not fun.

>> No.2364949

>>2364925
Remember when people didn't post /v/ teir reaction images on /vr/? Or when people didn't shit on retro games because they "aged"?

>> No.2364951

>>2364947
Plenty of people still play pong.

Just because you're a 6th genner and hate everything old doesn't mean we do.

>> No.2364952

>>2364941
It controls in a three dimensional environment and creates the illusion of 3D. Jesus fucking Christ, by now you're just grasping at straws, pointing out irrelevant technicalities.

>> No.2364953

>>2364952
>illusion of 3D
>grasping at straws
That's some good irony, anon.

>> No.2364957

>>2364949
Says the frogposter.

>> No.2364958

>>2364949
>complaining that anons don't post retro reaction images
Nani?!

>> No.2364962

>>2364953
There's no irony. It was just fancy words for americans jumping at the chance to make FPSs as soon as that stuff was possible. It has absolutely no relevance in that context if Wolfenstein is actual 3D or not.

>> No.2364963

>>2364957
I didn't post that.
>>2364958
>Nani?!
?

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>>2364963

>> No.2364968

>>2364962
As opposed to third world that did?

>> No.2364969

>>2364965
6th genner is spamming /v/ reaction pics now guys. Watch out.

>> No.2364972

>>2364969
>still butthurt about reaction images
I didn't think I'd get that out of you twice.

>> No.2364973

>>2364963
>I didn't post that.
Nice damage control. However, your reasoning and arguments are so fantastically retarded that your sameposting is as transparent as a window. There's absolutely no way more than one person could be writing these posts.

>> No.2364974

>>2364973
>>2364972
6th genners are really going all out tonight.

>> No.2364975

>>2364974
What's the evidence of being a 6th genner besides posting how you don't like though, anon?

>> No.2364976

>>2364975
That kid talking about HALO is probably a good example. I mean I don't know about you but I'd say that's good evidence of 6th genner shenanigans.

>> No.2364979

>6th genner is sure a good buzzword. That will really show those ignorant kids! Maybe it will be even more effective if I use it constantly?

>> No.2364980

>>2364979
Nice memetext. Well put. You're defiantly not from /v/.

>> No.2364981

>>2364976
I can go with that as being grounds for it. But don't you think it's a bit extreme to callously throw the word around for reaction images on an imageboard?

>> No.2364982

>>2364981
Those reaction images are from /v/ so it seems fitting. Would you disagree?

>> No.2364984

>>2364980
That's right, I'm not, I'm from /mu/.

>> No.2364986

>>2364984
Well great. We're fucked.

>> No.2364990

>>2364986
Spare the Pongs!

>> No.2364992

>>2364982
It's from /v/, yes, but shouldn't be taken in such a bad way. I browse it because it's a far faster board and pick things up along the way. Don't we all?

>> No.2364993

>>2364990
Guess modern games aren't fucked up enough. Gotta come in and shit up the retro board huh?

>> No.2364998

>>2364992
I don't really pick much up from /v/. Then again I only visit it for about 5mins once or twice a month.Seems to have plateaued in shittness lately. Guess the sjw stuff calmed down.

>> No.2365002

>>2364993
It takes two people responding to each other to shit up a thread, really. We're not helping each other like this.

>> No.2365008

>>2365002
Thread has no hope once your kind comes in and starts shitting on retro games.

>> No.2365015

>>2365008
Those holy retro games. Surely only underage brats could speak such harsh words about them!

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>>2364998
>>2365008
Oh come on now. I think the other guy from /mu/ quit out. I've no actual conflict with you 'sides telling you to not sweat reaction images. Have a nice day anonymous.

Oh my bad, here's /mu/ >>2365015

>> No.2365019

>>2363086
you just don't understand what people mean by aged dipshit, shut it.

>> No.2365025

>>2365018
All love anon.
>>2365019
Feel free to post some code that has aged.

>> No.2365096

>>2364761
>First there was C, then C+
I lol'd.

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>>2364761
>First there was C, then C+, then C++.

>> No.2365109

>>2365025
>Feel free to post some code that has aged.
https://github.com/id-Software/wolf3d

Building Wolf3D on a modern system is a massive pain in the ass. It's all 16-bit real-mode DOS bullshit, with segmented memory and everything.

>> No.2365115

>>2365109
That's because of different hardware and not the actual code aging. Try again.

>> No.2365118

>>2365115
>That's because of different hardware and not the actual code aging.
No, it's because of the age of the code. The language standards moved on, and the features Wolf3D used were deprecated and removed. You end up with a dependency chain of old software, making it next to impossible to compile the code on a new system without just throwing it all out and setting up an oldass DJGPP environment on MS-DOS. John Carmack himself has stated that it has aged poorly.

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>>2365115
Hurr, I'm making a pedantic argument about how everyone uses 'aged'
He's saying it 'aged' not that it 'deteriorated'

>> No.2365123

>>2365118
(Er, Watcom, not DJGPP. DJ was used on Doom and Quake, and those still compile because it was 32-bit and followed good Unixy coding practices.)

>> No.2365124

>>2365120
>>2365118
Look at how wrong these nerds are.

>> No.2365143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHRE_hrUkzU

>> No.2365180

>>2365143
Making fun of the mentally ill. Now it's like I'm really on /v/.

>> No.2365208

>>2365180
I think it's making fun of the guy who's constantly screaming "6th genner! 6th genner!" in this thread.

>> No.2365210

>>2365208
Regardless of who it's making fun it /v/ tier trash.

>> No.2365220

>the entire thread
ban 5th gen please

>> No.2365350

>>2364906
but...I didn't have a hard time enjoying it. I had a blast playing through it, but the flaws in the game are now incredibly emphasized by it's successors.

I'm not calling mario 64 unplayable, I'm not calling it bad. P. sure I've said this already, but the game is fantastic...it just has flaws that are indicative of its age.

>> No.2366262

>>2363035

Mario 64 >>>>>>>>>> Sunshine > Galaxy

>> No.2367983

>>2363035
Sunshine had some good stuff, though I still prefer M64 - for starters, no fucking diapered plants. Wtf Nintendo.

Galaxy was so very, very meh.

>> No.2368009

The only thing that hasn't "aged" well about M64 might be the graphics -- and, even then, I don't really find them to be a hindrance.

>> No.2368159

>>2363025
>dentists office
What the fuck. My dentists office had a DOS clone of the original donkey kong. And this was in 2002. I still played the shit out of it.

Also what a shit thread. Containing only retards from /v/ as well as the closet-retards of /vr/

>> No.2368164

>>2364963
If you don't know what Nani?! means you should leave this site forever