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Hey /vr/ I’ve got a favor that I’d like a little help with. I’m really interested in the console wars of the 90s.
I was growing up then so of course as a kid I wasn’t able to really comprehend the war between the two companies.
So I was wondering does anymore have any good Interviews, Videos, Pictures, or videos from that time period? I’m interested in learning as much as I can about the console wars.

>> No.2344858

>>2344808
There was no console war. Everybody just played vidya and was happy whether it was Sega or Nintendo. If I went to my friend's house, I was stoked to play Streets of Rage because he had a Genesis; we'd play Mario Kart at my place. The whole Sega/Nintendo shitflinging was just marketing, nobody actually thought that. It wasn't until the early 2000s when widespread Internet access became a thing that immature "flame wars" happened in earnest. Because of all the vitriol people now assume that was the state of things during the whole "Sega does what Nintendon't" era but that wasn't the reality for those of us who lived it.

>> No.2344868

>>2344808

it was all marketing campaigning nonsense

>> No.2345220

>>2344808
>console wars
>90s

Non existent.

>> No.2345228

I read that Console Wars book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Although it does portray SEGA as the Rebel Alliance and Nintendo as 1000x worse than the Empire plus Hitler.

>> No.2345235 [DELETED] 

>>2344858
>>2344868
>implying

here's at least two examples i could find where Sega and Nintendo were going at each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMObjpGRAQ

this was probably the biggest war, but ive never heard of anything between atari/coleco or anything else before even the Genesis/NES

>> No.2345236

>>2345228
>SEGA as the Rebel Alliance
More like the Yakuza Alliance
>Nintendo as 1000x worse than the Empire plus Hitler.
This is absolutely true though, Nintendo was and for certain things still is literal nazi scum

>> No.2345237

>>2344858
>>2345220
>implying

here's at least two examples i could find where Sega and Nintendo were going at each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMObjpGRAQ [Embed]

this was probably the biggest war, but ive never heard of anything between atari/coleco or anything else before even the Genesis/NES

>> No.2345242

>>2344808
I'm a bit older than most (read: 99%) of 4chan, so I remember that era vividly.

The truth is somewhere between the internet romanticism of the generation and the "didn't happen lol" nonsense that's being pushed in this thread.

What actually happened is that yuropooristan was a small market at the time and neither company cared enough to make it a priority. Japan on the other hand was Nintendo's bitch, with only NEC's TG-16 putting up any kind of fight. In America though SEGA USA and Nintendo of America were VERY aggressive in their marketing campaigns. Other companies that tried to compete with them were probably even more aggressive.

But that's basically all it was. It wasn't a "console war" so much as it was a rivalry between corporate marketing departments trying to outdo each other with increasingly 90S EXTREME! marketing campaigns.

>> No.2345246

>>2345228
>>2345236
Nintendo's policies fucked over devs, but WHO FUCKING CARES because they were better for gamers and that's all that matters. Anyone who feels sorry for a software corporation is a fucking idiot. The "best" company in gaming is the one that makes the best games. The best first party policies are the ones that create a market that is best for what gamers want. The corporations that have "creative freedom" at the expense of gamers (*cough*bioware*cough*) are faggots.

>> No.2345247

>>2345237
That's not really console wars though it was just the rivalry between SEGA and Nintendo which was really a unique thing, the only thing that was kind of similar was the competition bewteen consoles during the 2nd gen with the Spectrum and such and it was much more tame than SEGA vs Nintendo.
>>2345246
I might be a bit old and fucked in the head but I hope this post is ironic.

>> No.2345249

In primary school there were running battles between Mega Drive kids and SNES kids. It's also how we agreed on teams for the lunch time kick about. The console war was a real thing in my playground.

>> No.2345251

>>2345249
I was exactly like>>2344858
Though as a European I guess we had this image of SEGA being for more "mature" and cool kids while Nintendo was more simple fun.
Now that I think about it it's no coincidence that Sony goes better in Europe than America, we always had some kind of slight inherent dislike for Nintendo, almost all my firends even had a dreamcast with their PS2 instead of a GC.

>> No.2345257

>>2345246
>Nintendo's policies fucked over devs, but WHO FUCKING CARES because they were better for gamers and that's all that matters.

How is fucking over devs like Nintendo did "better for gamers"?

>The "best" company in gaming is the one that makes the best games

So Nintendo were pretty much never the best except in the 8 bit era. Okay.

>> No.2345264

>>2345257
>How is fucking over devs like Nintendo did "better for gamers"?

If you honestly believe video game publishers don't fuck over gamers as a rule and need to be kept in check to prevent them from doing so then you're a delusional fanboy.

>> No.2345267

>>2345257
>>2345264
THIS. Devs are HORRIBLE. FUCK THEM. ALL OF THEM. The video game industry is a disgusting place full of disgusting people who deserve NO sympathy from ANYONE EVER. Anyone who apologizes for it is doing their fellow gamers a disservice.

>> No.2345269

>>2345257
>Nintendo were pretty much never the best except in the 8 bit era

Correct.

>> No.2345272

>>2345269
I've been replaying a lot of NES and SNES titles lately and it's really evident how most of the really great titles on the systems are definitely not first party games, in that regards SEGA had a much more stable and high standard.

I mean, even the highly acclaimed Mario RPG was actually done by Squaresoft, it's a bit embarassing for a company that has so much pride for their own titles.

>> No.2345273

>>2345272
>SEGA had a much more stable and high standard

Not really, no.

>> No.2345278

>>2344808
OP, you see how people ITT are just throwing around their opinions as if they were immutable facts and looking like idiots as they argue with each other?

It was like that. Exactly like that. Except that at least back then these people had the excuse that they were kids. Now it's just embarrassing.

>> No.2345286

The only console war I ever fought was whenever my mommy wanted to watch her soaps on the living room TV.

>> No.2345306

>one single ad from Sega=a console war
>¿¿¿

>> No.2345307

>>2345278
/thread

>> No.2345313

>>2345278
There wasn't a fan rivalry back then. There really wasn't. I never had a single "your console sucks" argument at lunch as a kid. Not even when Mortal Kombat came out. The "war" referred to the "our competition sucks, buy our system instead" style of marketing.

>> No.2345314

I never thought there was a war, but me and my mates all had Mega Drives. The SNES didn't have much that got my interest back then, but now I've played Super Metroid, Super Castlevania IV (though it is inferior to The New Generation) and Starwing and have enjoyed them all.

>> No.2345315

>>2344808
I'll give you a very abridged history of the stuff that tends to be either overlooked or forgotten

>Sega releases the Master System in the U.S. with the help of Tonka, much in the same way Nintendo did with Worlds Of Wonder during it's early days
>flops because of Nintendo's unfair stranglehold on third parties

>NEC releases the Turbografx-16 in America
>flops due to Nintendo's third party stranglehold as well and because of NEC's > and otherwise piss poor marketing tactics where they only ever advertised their console in big cities

>SNK looks at the Genesis/Mega-Drive and SNES and thinks that there's potiential for a third system (the turbo was on it's last legs by this point) and goes after a more "adult" market by advertising it's high end, "arcade in your home" AES console with werid, almost borderline lewd print ads
>Fairs pretty well, but the cost of it's cartridges hurt it pretty deeply and they begin work on a on a CD based system. Unfortunately due to issues that also plagued similiar consoles of the time (the 3DO and the CD-I), the load times are horrid. A second version of the console is released with slightly faster load times, but only in Japan

>> No.2345317

>>2345313

This. Console wars refer to the companies going at it. I remember the term being thrown around a lot in gaming magazines at the time. Although I'm not saying kids weren't fanboys. I'd say a lot of it was "You have something that I want but I don't have it so it's shit."

>> No.2345348

>>2345317
>You have something I want but I don't have it so it's shit
This was at a fever pitch among poorfags once N64 and PS1 hit the scene. So much hate towards the 3D.

>> No.2345356

>>2345251
That being said it's not really a console war that was fought on an advertising basis. I think it's just one of those things that can happen in schools because of the nature of children to form cliques. So in the bubble of my youth I perceived a console war. I don't recall any of the Nintendon't type adverts ever appearing in the UK. My primary school was quite working class, so if some rich kid ever had both consoles, Sega and Nintendo kids usually teamed up against a common bourgeois enemy.

>> No.2345358

>>2345315
This is grossly innacurate.

>> No.2345570
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2345570

Sonic was made to compete against mario, and was always marketed to be an artificial version of what “cool” is. With anime elements like chaos emeralds and super forms, sonic was about a “safe rebellion” that attracted edgy tweens. Soundtracks from the 90’s replicated New Jack Swing beats that were popular at the time, and lyrical music beginning with Sonic Adventure was made by a band with rock, metal and punk influences. The music sounded like stuff you might hear on the radio from that time, when compared to other video game music. People latch onto it who do not inherently know what “cool” is, outcasts who are attracted to its edgy nature. As sonic was made to be a franchise that rivaled mario, its media span across many games, shows and comics that cast a wide net, to attract different people who are attracted to different incarnations of sonic and his “cool” styles. This net of stories and universes are so diverse that it is impossible to connect them into one continuity, but it makes people obsess over the different incarnations of him and make a complex fictional universe that can connect these different worlds together, taking lots of unrealistic leaps of logic to do so. His basic story is vague enough to be twisted into whatever fantasy story you wanted.

>> No.2345571

>>2345570
It's pretty ironic that Mario is now considered "cooler" than Sonic ever has, thanks to the hipster and fake-nerd element.

>> No.2345578

>>2344808
All you need to know is based Nintendo won and Sega got BTFO
Segays still cant handle this fact and hipst/vr/ trash like to desperately pretend the megadrive was better than the snes.
which it wasnt.

>> No.2345592

>>2345251
Its a well known fact that only poor people and wannabe edgy teens preferred sega. In fact the people at my school that had exclusively sega were mostly the ghetto indians and blacks, mostly due to the fact that sega consoles were roundabout 60 per cent of the price of nintendo console.
i had both though so i loved both of them, my friends would come round just to play jurassic park rampage edition and gunstar heroes

>> No.2345616
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2345616

>>2345570
>>2345578
>>2345592
Why is the /v/ shitposting always Nintendo related? I'm not sure if it's a troll or if Nintendo fans are just underage retards.

>> No.2345635

>>2345578
Guess you're a really big JRPG fan, huh?

>> No.2345669

I had both Sega and Nintendo systems (as well as PC) growing up.

I laughed at the kids arguing about which one was better, because they were all missing on good stuff (also, they'd usually drool over all the games they couldn't play when they came over my house, I not only had both SNES and Genesis, but also had a shitload of games for both).

Anyway, "console wars" wasn't even as prominent as they are nowdays, thanks to the lack of internet.

>> No.2345670

I remember the Mortal Kombat censoring where the Sega version was said to be better due to fatalities and blood which where a big thing back then

>> No.2345671

>>2345348
>So much hate towards the 3D.
Had nothing to do with being poor.

>> No.2345672

>>2345578
This might be the single most butthurt fanboy I've ever seen on /vr/.

>> No.2345695

>>2345578
But the Mega Drive outsold the SNES in every major market but Japan. Nintendo lost. I'm sick of fanboys revisionist history of the fact Sega had majority of the market share then.

>> No.2345704

>>2345672
>>2345695

Not sure but I think you fell for poor bait

>based
>BTFO
>segays

You've got your share of nintendo fanboys in here (and sega fanboys, and sony fanboys, etc, etc), but /vr/ people aren't usually that retarded. I think that post was most likely falseflag. Or a leak from /v/ (which would mean he has zero idea of anything pre-7th gen)

>> No.2345716

>>2345704
/vr/ is one of the easiest boards to troll

>> No.2345723

>>2345716

Mostly because people on here are kind of distanced from the whole post-ironic meme-spouting youth.
We've gone through that phase years ago.

>> No.2345725

>>2345716
Epic.

Simply.

Epic.

>> No.2345737

>>2345616
> hurr all nintendo fans are little kiddies
> im way too grown up for such childish games
Mfw segays 'insults' havent changed in 25 years

>> No.2345743

>>2345695
this /vr/ only meme that sega were on nintendo's level needs to die.
The megadrive was out for over 2 years before the snes, and was also around 60 per cent of the price for a lot of that time (uk btw)
like i said before, only poor people, wannabe edgesters and ethnic minorities were sega fanboys back then

>> No.2345750

>>2345570
So that is why sonic fans are autists.

>> No.2345751

>>2345743
and people who didn't want to play JRPGs or rehashes of NES games. Oh and F-Zero.

>> No.2345752

>>2345751
Nobody cared about JRPGs before FF7. Coincidentally, ZSNES and emulation took off around that time.

>> No.2345754

>>2345743
>this /vr/ only meme
Try going somewhere on the Internet besides /v/. Maybe somewhere where people know what they're talking about and don't just parrot Youtubers.

>> No.2345762

>>2345743
>>2345592
>all this asshurt because /vr/ generally prefers SEGA

/vr/ also isn't full of dumb meme spewing teens like /v/. Coincidence?

>> No.2345764

>>2345267
Indie dev who's only in it for the chance at a jackpot detected.

>> No.2345769

>>2345616
>>2345737
Honestly, modern Nintendo fanboys are not that different from Sonic-playing aspies. Just look at the likes of Tom Preston, Bob Chipman and the Amiibo collecting community. They think that Wii U is relevant console just because it has a couple of decent exclusives like Bayonetta 2 and Smash 4, even though the hardware is last-gen tech with forced touch screen controls for input and the overall software lineup still pales in comparison to the PS4 and Xbox One.

>> No.2345778

>>2345769

Um... no, Tim. Fanboys in general are autistic as fuck. Sony fanboys are among the most cancerous shitposters from /v/.


Fanboys are the problem, not only certain type of fanboys: they're all toxic.

>> No.2345779

>>2345778
Exactly this.

It's what leads to terms like "Segays" and posting non stop N64 hate threads.

>> No.2345782

>>2345754
>>2345635
I dont browse /v/ at all and the closest to a JRPG i had on the snes was Illusion Of Time

>> No.2345783

>>2345769
> complaining about outdated tech on /vr/

>> No.2345792

>>2345783
There's a big difference between outdated by today's standards and dated even for its time. A lot of old games were cutting edge for their time.

But context is for chumps, amirite?

>> No.2345793

>>2345792

The context of /vr/ is that we don't bring up console war shitposting from the 8th gen.

>> No.2345827

>>2345793
But console war shitposting from previous decades is alright I guess.

>> No.2345828

>>2345792
> caring about anything other than gameplay

>> No.2345918

>>2345769
>the overall software lineup still pales in comparison to the PS4 and Xbox One.

Yes, having games pales in comparison to having no games.

And I say this owning a PS4.

"Outdated" or "Cutting edge" hardware means nothing if you can't use it to do jack. Otherwise the 3DO or Jaguar wouldn't have been flops.

>> No.2345923

>>2345828
>Implying the quality of the gameplay isn't depended on the hardware.
You might as well as stick to the Atari 2600 if you truly think this way.

>> No.2345935

>>2345918
Do you play the PS4 just for exclusives or do you use it for multiplats too?

>> No.2345943

>>2345935

I intend to use it for multiplats when some worthwhile ones come out, until then I've mostly just been using it for The Show and anything that looks fun from PS+. Never Alone's been pretty neat thus far, at least.

Oh, now that I think about it, Shadows of Mordor was pretty fun. There's one game then, at least.

>> No.2346028

>>2345695
>>2345743

SNES
Total 49m
USA 23m
Japan 17m
Other 9m

Genesis/genesis 3/nomad/megadrive
Total 40m
USA 23m (20m/2m/1m)
Japan 4m
Other 13m

>> No.2346062

>>2345752
>Nobody cared about JRPGs before FF7
Lol.

>> No.2346076

A good research thread would be the magazine scan one here in /vr/. Some good samples of "Genesis does what Nintendon't" and selling of MJ's moonwalker game like its the second coming of Jesus.

Also if I remember correctly there were alot of ads selling sonic as the mario killer.

>> No.2346097

>>2346062
From a mainstream perspective, and considering a US audience, he's basically right. JRPG"s were a really niche genre back then.

>> No.2346107

>>2345743
Curious that it was cheaper and was a better console overall, unless you were a fedora neckbeard thato only played jRPGs. of course.

>> No.2346108

>>2346076

>good research thread
>console wars

OP is 100% bait.
There can't be a nice, thoughtful "research" thread about this shit.

Console wars wasn't as prominent in the 80s and 90s thanks to the internet being much smaller. That's all there is to it. Kids spent more time PLAYING games rather than making a competition to see which console gets the less shit version of each AAA turd the industry shits like they do nowdays. Yes, nerds argued about this in usenet, but they were just 4 or 5 guys, the rest of the humanity was enjoying their vidya.

>> No.2346205

>>2346028

Wild card to add to this, The Genesis units from Majesco or TecToy have never been tallied, at least with any credible source.

Both systems are great(I used to own a snes but ended up giving it to my sister once I realized I'm just a SEGA guy through and through).

>> No.2346235

>>2345671
Sure thing cupcake, whatever you say.

>> No.2346236

>>2346205
My point was more around the sales results in North America as this seems to be a frequent point of discussion on how to define who 'won the war'

Majesco is counted as the Genesis 3
I assume the tectoy is covered in these numbers based on 3m sales in Brazil included in the total 40m

>> No.2346309

This is the worst thread I have ever seen on /vr/.

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2346320

>>2346309

It's the same butthurt 6th gen kid shitposting, he's the same kid who can't shut up about his hateboner for the N64, and the same kid who keeps making multiple daily 6th gen threads on here.

He won't stop, he's really determined.

>> No.2346340

When I was a kid, most everyone had both consoles, at least at some point if not together. If not, everyone had definitely at least experienced copious amounts of both consoles. Let me tell you, there was no debate about which console was better because they were both awesome. The only debates were about which unique quirks were marginally better than the other console. Although I think a lot of people were disappointed by the add ons for Genesis. I know I felt that way late in that gen's lifespan.

>> No.2346431

>>2344808
Not much to comprehend about the 90's console wars. Some retarded faggots argued about sanic and murio while 80's PCE master race played CD games. Second tier 80's master race Towns and x68k did the same.

>> No.2346441

>>2346320
you have blamed like 3 different people for being that guy lmao.

>> No.2346458

>>2345237
gotta use better commercials m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHuLbAL0deA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt__zRfNSjM

>> No.2346672

>>2345671
Had everything to do with the first 3 or 4 years of games on that generation of consoles looking like shit, and most of them playing like shit, too.