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What fully 3D Gameboy games are out there? I can only think of a couple:

Race Drivin' (pictured)
Faceball 2000
X

>> No.2311851

>>2311842
>3D

>> No.2311859

>>2311842
Not original GB, but Toy Story faked FMV for "3D" racing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8nLpO-WaUs

>> No.2311870

>>2311842
Also, Battlezone & Super Breakout for original GB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfgYCwsPi6g

>> No.2311873

>>2311842
Unreleased GBC game, about as complex as wolfenstein -- Tyrannosaurus Tex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDUJTlzzGcI

>> No.2311889

>>2311873
I was dying for that to come out back in the day.

>> No.2311903
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2311903

>>2311842
Unreleased :(

Elite

>> No.2311907

>>2311842
Those are about it OP.

>> No.2312005

How the hell did they pull that off on the original Game Boy? Wasn't it effectively the power of the NES (albeit with a different architecture)?

>> No.2312007

>>2312005
You basically fill the screen with a bunch of different tiles, then redefine those tiles on the fly to give you a full-screen (or nearly full-screen) bitmap display. Then just draw whatever crazy polygons you want.

As for how they squeezed out enough CPU time to actually render that shit, I haven't a clue, but it's pretty amazing.

>> No.2312023

Faceball

>> No.2312118

>>2312005
You make it sound like there are no polygon games on the NES or other 6502/Z80 platforms.

>> No.2312250

>>2311903
how close to finished? proto ever released?

>> No.2312326

>>2312007
>As for how they squeezed out enough CPU time to actually render that shit, I haven't a clue, but it's pretty amazing.
Just imagine if there were people working so hard on the ENGINES that drive modern games.

>> No.2313146

>>2311859
That's very impressive looking.

although I wonder if it's actually any fun as a game

>> No.2313148

>>2311859
Wow, that's awesome. Reminds me of Silpheed on the Sega CD which has a similar approach.

>> No.2313962

Cosmo tank had pseudo-3d

>> No.2315123

X. It's like starfox sorta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtmBQIKTh8

>> No.2315258

>>2315123
the DS port was amazing

I wish they had made a english release of X though.

>> No.2315269

>>2311859
It's just like that pc hotwh SPAM BLOCK LOL eels racer.

>> No.2315281

>>2311842
For the colour there was Motocross Championship 2001 which was similar to the Toy Story Racing game.

>>2315258
Ditto

>> No.2315284 [DELETED] 

>>2315269

I found simply adding a space between each letter circumvents the spam filter. Worked for 8 C h a n .

>> No.2315327

>>2312005
Not even. Had a single z80 processor, meaning it was about as strong as SEGAs pre-MS consoles.

>> No.2315379

>>2312005
I think you're overestimating basic 3d. These games didn't do anything fancy like modern hardware, it pretty much just boils down to doing some multiplications and additions on some vertices each frame and filling the resulting geometric shape with a uniform dithering pattern. Games either lacked perspective transforms or used a simple approximation based on depth. No shading effects like lighting or shadows. The geometry was simple enough that things like depth and collision were probably just approximated in an internal 2d representation.

Would be kind of interesting to see how they integrated it with the GB's sprite based display framework, though. I'd guess that the screen was broken up into a grid of sprites and each sprite was dynamically created each frame, which is probably why the framerates on these games was pretty bad.

I'm actually more surprised that there weren't more impressive examples of 3d on early game hardware.

>> No.2315440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm8Pg3gzloI

>> No.2315578
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2315578

F1 Championship Season 2001 does that fmv scrolling thing. Fun game.

>> No.2315640

>>2315327
The game boy used a z80 workalike, not a real z80. Also, both the master system and the game gear also have z80s. Also, the z80 is stronger than the nes CPU. (It has twice the clock speed, for starters).

>> No.2315641

>>2315640
The z80 in the SMS and gg and the work a like in the gb have twice the speed, I mean. The GBC has a faster one.

>> No.2315669

>>2315640
Clock speed doesn't mean shit unless you're comparing processors of the same line and even there you have to consider other factors.

>> No.2315768

>>2315669
True, but the z80 is still better than the processor that was in the NES. In fact, internally most of the hardware of the SMS is more powerful than the NES, with the exception of the sound chip which is terrible in comparison, unless you have an SMS FM module but that was only released in Japan only worked with a couple dozen games.

The z80 and the NES' CPU are roughly around the same speed (z80 had twice the clock speed but took twice as many cycles to perform the same tasks, generally speaking), but the z80, among other things, has more registers and 16 bit support. Obviously there are a bunch of other things to consider, but most people I've spoken to would agree that the z80 is at least roughly equal to, if not more powerful than the NES CPU.

>> No.2315807

>>2315768
>NES CPU.
Why not call it 2A03, 6502 or 650x?
The Ballly Astrocade with its 1.8 MHz Z80 is not better than the NES aside from its support for four players out of the box. Not even the Intellivision with its 16 bit CPU.

>> No.2315820

>>2315807
What does the Bally Astrocade have to do with anything? This is about the 3.5 MHz z80 used in the SMS, Game Gear and a workalike in the Game Boy. Obviously the Astrocade would lose against the NES, but that isn't even relevant. Point is, the original Game Boy has a CPU that can be considered roughly equal or slightly superior to the NES, depending on how it's used. The GBC has an upgraded one that's even better.

I called it the "NES CPU" instead of those names just so there's no confusion/

>> No.2315824

>>2315820
To add onto this, considering the amount of debate the "z80 vs 6502" discussion seems to generate on the internet in old computer enthusiast forums. I think that they were both good CPUs for their time and neither can conclusively be called inferior to the other.

>> No.2315887

>>2315824
>I called it the "NES CPU" instead of those names just so there's no confusion/
You could do the same for the GB. The Sharp LR35902 in the GB and the NEC uPD780C-1 in the SM3 aren't identical even when both are Z80 derivatives clocked around 4 MHz.

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2317793

>>2315440
shit, that games looks sick! I need this

>> No.2318038

>>2317793
That's just a demo. I don't think they've ever released the whole thing.

>> No.2318042
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2318042

Since we're on the topic of Game Boy:

Are there any cool homebrew games or what have you to check out that can be installed on a flash cartridge?

Is that not /vr/ acceptable?

>> No.2318151
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2318151

>>2311842
Please I wanna play w/ my game boy but i've no games left to play

>> No.2318184

>>2313148
They were doing that with video back in the early 80s with games like Star Rider, too. I know games like Iridion and the SNES Revolution X did that with animated image loops for backgrounds.

Anyone played the NES port of Elite? It's actually pretty cool. Shame the GB version wasn't finished beyond that demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPmQYI4ju8

I remember being pretty impressed as a kid with Bill Elliot's NASCAR Challenge on NES for some reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-6LXN4T2j0

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2321342

Bump out of huge interest on this topic.

Dragon Heart is another 2.5D game.

>> No.2321352

Ah, Faceball 2000. The game that taught me to stay far away from first person shooters. Even before first person shooters were a thing.

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2321371

>>2318151
>no games

>> No.2321375

>>2321371
>>no games

it's time to stop living

>> No.2322564

>>2311859
this is pretty damn good looking for the gameboy.

>> No.2322936

>>2311842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcHjblnXXKM

Definitely not 3D, but sword of hope had first person navigation and perspective.

>> No.2322942

>>2311842
I don't know of any games but how about some demoscene productions on gameboy?
Snorpung demsocene demos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfDXXSCB2Ro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mA05ggDJGc

>> No.2323029

>>2322942
Ohh I remember this amazing demo: Gejmbaj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvBNhzshKQ

Just look at that crazy shit from 1:22 onwards! I have no clue what black magic is used there, but it looks amazing.

>> No.2323176

>>2323029
seems to be a large look-up table that they just move around the screen. gives an impression that it is 3d. quite a common trick on old pc demos.

>> No.2323358

Games with pseudo-3D polygons have been around since the first generation of 8-bit processors. Even the Vic-20 runs a Doom port. The key to bona fide 3D graphics is the z-buffer, which allows for hardware-rendered 3D calcuations. Without it, 3D can be simulated in software but inaccuracies lead to flickering/shifting polygons. N64 was the first home console to implement a z-buffer. Technically, the Playstation 1 did not have a 3D engine but a competent CPU (and some wizardry from Naughty Dog) sure as hell made it look good.

>> No.2323542

>>2323358
>Naughty Dog
okay.

>> No.2323612

>>2323358
Congratulations , one of the most ignorant and stupid comments that I read in a while , you should be proud.

>> No.2323656
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2323656

jeep jamboree

>> No.2323812

>>2321342
>.gif.jpg

>> No.2323843
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2323843

>>2323812
yeee bro

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2323849

>>2321342
and an excellent one at that

>> No.2323850

>>2323849
I could never get past the second dragon fight. Either I absolutely didn't get the controls or they are just shitty to a point where it's pure luck to win the fight.

>> No.2323885
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>>2322942
>0:21

BOOOOOOOOOOOOB

>> No.2323954

>>2323850
I'm afraid it's the former. This quirky German will prove me right.

https://youtu.be/9ycu7dxvV0s?t=2m4s

>> No.2324112

>>2323954
Thanks for the link. I've no trouble understanding this as I'm German myself. But ok, the combat looks damn easy in that let's play. I'll see if I can do it.

>> No.2324234

>>2312250
Supposedly only demo from the gif.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/demos/index.htm

>> No.2324275

>>2324234
Oops, the link on the page was dead, sorry. At least, the demo was made available and might be obtainable somewhere.

>> No.2324790

>>2323542
>>2323612
his techno-babble was meticulous trolling