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Anonymous Tue Mar 24 19:05:42 2015 No.2306715 [Reply] [Original]

N64 games with excellent texture quality.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 24 19:58:01 2015 No.2306849

>>2306715
Rates are N64 games have always looked to busy to me. They have really detailed textures but the limitations mean they can't really do nuanced shapes so you get a lot of glaring stand out and it's very unappealing. The simpler, smoother textures of games like SM64 look a lot better to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 19:59:03 2015 No.2306854 >>2306849 *Rareware N64

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 21:18:55 2015 No.2307023 How did conker and jet force gemini manage to achieve such good looking games without the expansion pack being required?

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 21:24:11 2015 No.2307029

>>2307023
Computer sorcery. Rare always had a real knack for getting the most out of hardware. During their early years, they reverse enginered an NES just to see what it was capable of and that's how we got Snake Rattle 'N Roll and Battletoads.

Conker though is a fucking step above, kind of makes me wonder how far Dinosaur Planet would have pushed the system had it been released in it's original, unaltered form on the N64

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 21:51:07 2015 No.2307074 >>2307023 By having piss poor framerate

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 00:17:52 2015 No.2307258 File: 1.18 MB, 1024x768, tooie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] emulated, but with original textures

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 00:21:10 2015 No.2307263 >>2307074 >By having piss poor framerate Oh my...look at these terrible framerates. It's almost unplayable...it's almost...what 30fps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nek5y4Q0mog

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Anonymous Wed Mar 25 00:39:43 2015 No.2307292

I've always heard the RARE piss poor framerate thrown about but it's never really rung all that true.

Except with Perfect Dark. Goldeneye would occasionally stutter a bit if things blew up, even more so in the multi-player but PD took that to whole new extremes even in single player. Multi can easily turn into a slide show if the right options are set.
It's a shame as it does have fantastic customisation however I really have to wonder if the developers had enormously souped up devkits and just programmed a lot of it for their own fun without thinking how it would execute on the console itself.

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Anonymous Wed Mar 25 01:24:12 2015 No.2307356

>>2307292
>It's a shame as it does have fantastic customisation however I really have to wonder if the developers had enormously souped up devkits and just programmed a lot of it for their own fun without thinking how it would execute on the console itself.
Apparently Perfect Dark's framerate was a source of tensions. Some devs wanted to go for a smoother framerate, others wanted to keep adding features that slowed the game down. David Doak made sure TimeSplitters ran at a silky smooth framerate at the cost of visuals.

>>2307263
>Oh my...look at these terrible framerates. It's almost unplayable...it's almost...what 30fps?
Conker is erratic. Framerate-wise, it's halfway between Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo Tooie.

>>2307029
>Conker though is a fucking step above, kind of makes me wonder how far Dinosaur Planet would have pushed the system had it been released in it's original, unaltered form on the N64
From what I've read, the version of Dino Planet shown at E3 2000 was in horrible shape. Crashed frequently, and it ran at 15fps. What I'm a bit curious about is which engine Conker (and also DK64) used. Jet Force Gemini and Dino Planet were both running a modded version of the Diddy Kong Racing engine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 01:25:38 2015 No.2307358 >>2307292 Fun fact: If you put the game in cropped widescreen mode, the game actually runs at a much smoother framerate because of the smaller rendering resolution. Fucking stupid, but it worked. At least there's the 360 version now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 01:30:56 2015 No.2307365 People complain about Rare's N64 framerate? OoT came out at 20 fps and looked worse than most Rare games. At least Rare could hit 30 most of the time, well, except for their FPS games.

Anonymous Wed Mar 25 01:38:42 2015 No.2307378

>>2307356
I can well believe they had fights over it considering it drops to below 1fps on a rather easy to trigger basis.

I believe Donkey Kong 64 used a modified version of the Banjo-Kazooie engine although I forget my source for that, it may just be chatter.
Conker I've no idea about but it could well be answered in the dev commentary lets play on youtube, I seem to recall them mentioning it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 01:42:58 2015 No.2307379 File: 50 KB, 640x480, plplplpl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2307071 Bad example.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 05:14:17 2015 No.2307615 >>2307365 >OoT came out at 20 fps It's not quite a good example. OoT is a locked 20fps. A lot of Rare games are an unlocked framerate that tends to be extremely unstable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 25 21:29:04 2015 No.2308768 >>2307023 >How did conker and jet force gemini manage to achieve such good looking games without the expansion pack being required? Lots of clever memory management and culling and such.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 26 05:12:36 2015 No.2309583 >>2307023 By selling their souls to the devil.. (Who came in 2002)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 16:26:00 2015 No.2312380 this thread has no relevant posts

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 17:56:14 2015 No.2312498 >>2309583 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 18:20:51 2015 No.2312527 >>2312380 I agree 5th gen consoles in general don't have "excellent" textures at all. And to be honest, it's 2015 and textures are still kinda shitty on consoles, but >>2306808 looks pretty darn good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 19:37:12 2015 No.2312753 >>2307023 Someone told me here in /vr/ many months ago that they were allowed to mess with the microcode of the gpu in the n64 and were actually really good at it. Few devs were allowed to do that by Nintendo, another one being Factor 5.

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