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2300043 No.2300043 [Reply] [Original]

what does /vr/ think of the famitsu readers 100 all time favorite games list? i'm currently trying to collect all 100, if you don't like japanese games or rpgs don't bother though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famitsu#Readers_100_all-time_favorite_games

>> No.2300049

i hate rpgs so i think its a pretty awful list tbh

>> No.2300061

Nothing.

I'd like to play Machi someday, to see if it's as good as they say.

>> No.2300092

>>2300061
I've always been curious about Machi as well. Isn't it basically just a visual novel?

>> No.2300096

>FFX #1

dropped

>> No.2300097

>>2300092

I believe it's more closer to being an interactive adventure game rather than "VN" (if we understand VN as dating sims).

You play as different people each time, that are all unrelated to each other, but at some point all characters cross path. There's like over 20 endings.
And they're all regular people who live in Tokyo, maybe that's why japanese like the game so much.

I bet it's pretty interesting, but I think the game has a lot of audio, not just text, so it's very hard for non-moon speakers to play it.

There was a spiritual sequel to Machi released on the Wii (and later ported to PSN and mobiles, I think) that was also a favorite in Japan and ranked pretty high.

>> No.2300101

>>2300043
Super boring list. I wonder what year that came out, probably 2006-ish?

>> No.2300105

>>2300096
This.

List invalidated.

>> No.2300196

>>2300097
Visual novel is just another name for adventures but dating sims aren't adventures.

>> No.2300521

>>2300096
That was my reaction, too

>> No.2300525

>>2300043
It's a strange list.
>FFX anywhere near top 100 games ever
>fucking Machi at #5 what even
tl;dr japs have bad taste

>> No.2300527

>>2300097
>There's like over 20 endings.

It has more than 20 endings, but they are all bad endings. Unlike 428, Machi has only one ending.

428 is a little better than Machi since all characters are connected to a bigger plot than their own little story.

>> No.2300528

>58. Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei II (1990, FC)
>59. Shin Megami Tensei (1992, SFC)

the fuck?

>> No.2300534

>>2300196
>Visual novel is just another name for adventures

There was a time when the term became confusing, but that user pointed out the correct term, Interactive adventure. YU-NO, Phoenix Wright, etc. are interactive adventures, SteinsGate, Katawa Shoujo, etc. are visual novels.

Interactive adventure games usually offer some kind of gameplay besides reading walls and walls of text.

>> No.2300537

>>2300096
>>2300105
>>2300521
>1) Final Fantasy X (2001, PS2)
Opinion discarded

>2) Final Fantasy VII (1997, PS)
List invalidated

>3) Dragon Quest III (1988, FC)
Dropped

>4) Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (2004, PS2)
Retard alert

>5) Machi (1998, SAT)
Nope.avi

>6) Final Fantasy IV (1991, SFC)
I don't think so Tim

>7) Tactics Ogre (1995, SFC)
At least you tried

>8) Final Fantasy III (1990, FC)
laughingwhores.jpg

>9) Dragon Quest VII (2000, PS)
WRONG

>10) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998, N64)
Stopped reading there

>> No.2300538

>>2300528
And there's Wizardry for FC at 66, where's your gratitude you filthy zipperheads

>> No.2300539

>>2300537
>liking things

>> No.2300543

>>2300537
>>5) Machi (1998, SAT)
>Nope.avi

Filthy gaijin you cant even appreciate that gem...

>> No.2300547

>>2300534
Technically a visual novel shouldn't have interactivity at all, not even meaningless choices.
But now that people are throwing the term around for all sorts of eroge or galge it's best to avoid it entirely.

>> No.2300552

>>2300547
>Technically a visual novel shouldn't have interactivity at all, not even meaningless choices.

If it doesnt have choices it's a kinetic novel.

>> No.2300558

>>2300552
That difference is meaningless like comic vs graphic novel.

>> No.2300606

#3, 5, 6, 7, and 8 are pretty solid games deserving of high scores.

But Famitsu's NES games poll was MUCH better anyway.

>> No.2300609

>>2300196
"Visual novels" were originally called "sound novels" until Chunsoft trademarked the term and other devs came up with the phrase "visual novel" to market their games under since they could no longer use "sound novel". Both terms mean "a choose your own adventure book in video game form".

>> No.2300615

I was kinda surprised to see Valkyrie Profile so high on the list... or really on it at all.

I'd say that probably at least half of those games would also be in my top 100, even if not resembling the order of the Famitsu list.

>> No.2300626

>>2300609
Why would they be called sound novels when they came out on systems without a sound chip?

>> No.2300745

>>2300626
Because you read them... and they have sound.

>>2300609
Always wondered about that. Thanks.

>> No.2300753

>>2300745
You don't have sound on a PC-6001 or the early PC-8801 models, only a beeper.

>> No.2300757

Lightning was #1 in the best female game characters ever, so...I wouldn't trust that list.

>> No.2300784

It would be a more interesting list if it was the top 100 game series. As it is now, it just makes me wonder if Famitsu readers play anything other than Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy.

>> No.2301072

>>2300784
>It would be a more interesting list if it was the top 100 game series
That's such a copout though, and tells you very little. Why should I be forced to vote for the series that includes my favorite game when it also includes shit games like FF8?

>> No.2301084

>>2300757
So care to make a suggestion of someone better? Lightning is a very good choice.

>> No.2301148

There's a cluster of games on the list I think a lot of us would agree with, but that fucking order arrangement is bang out.

>> No.2301181

i would kinda expect japan's taste in console rpgs to be a little better. they appear to mostly be squenix fanboys with similar taste to american squenix fanboys

>> No.2303138

>>2301181
I really enjoy the shittiness of that list. Surely the superior Japanese master race readers of the world's most discerning video gaming magazine will produce a most considered and patrician list? Nope, it's the equivalent of an American poll declaring Halo and Mortal Kombat the greatest games ever made.

>> No.2303156

>Tactics Ogre #7
>FFT # 84

FFT-fags btfo

>> No.2303157

>>2303138

Famitsu is not the "world's most discerning video games magazine," I don't know where anyone got that idea from. It's a Japanese IGN.

>> No.2303165

>>2303138
>>2303157
I've reason to believe Famitsu's low on the list for Japanese gaming intelligentsia. There's always been alternatives for buyer's guides, hints, and forming the popular canon. Gifford did a piece on a different mid-1980s mag, Yugekishu, which focused on PC games West and East using long-form reviews that often discussed social issues: http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2008/02/column_game_mag_weaseling_the_8.php

Gameside and LOGiN are two other examples worth noting.

>> No.2304070

>>2303165
>I've reason to believe Famitsu's low on the list for Japanese gaming intelligentsia.
Well, having 4 FF on top ten with 3 DQ should already point out the level of the audience, not to mention the amazing dissonance between fanbases since Romacing SaGa 1 is on the list but neither Romancing SaGa 2 or 3 are which are way more popular in the fanbase as this pic proves>>2283237

Famitsu is decent when it comes to videogame reviews, but just barely really, the polls only show how plebeian the average Jap is, which surprise surprise isn't different from the average american or european, just put DQ/FF instead of Halo and Fifa.

>> No.2304074

>>2303138
>>2303157
>>2303165
>>2304070
They USED to be "discerning". Not since about 2008 though. Even since 2006 their standards had been dropping big time.

>> No.2304108

>>2304070
Things with mass appeal have a chance to get mass appreciation, just due to numbers. I don't know what it is like in Japan, but as an American I can say that Famitsu is pretty much the only Japanese gaming publication that I can name off the top of my head. Given how much I hear about it, I'd imagine that it is well-known in Japan, too. If that is the case (which I assume it is), it probably has many subscribers who aren't hardcore gamers, or at least not ones with broad taste and experience, so I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of people voting in that poll focused their gaming interests entirely on modern stuff, which would explain FFX's position.

>> No.2304112

>>2304108
I also like how GTA: Vice City is on the list at #76, handily surpassing SMB3.

>> No.2304116

>>2304108
>so I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of people voting in that poll focused their gaming interests entirely on modern stuff, which would explain FFX's position.
Not really since there's lot of "old" stuff in there too, or even things that are mostly niche now like Tengai Makyou, it's just that 70% of the games on that top 100 are really games that have not many outstanding features, just like all top whatever lists really.
Some of the Famitsu reviewers used to be quite good though especially since you can see that one of the perfect games on the list is Vagrant Story which was almost forgotten by the audience in Japan, as>>2304074 says though, nowadays they're not really that great.

But again, it's not like Japan's a special case, it's like this everywhere.

>> No.2304303 [DELETED] 

>>2300043
A bit OT, but anyone knows a good source for Famitsu Scans? Best from begging to current?

>> No.2304305

>>2300043
A bit OT, but anyone knows a good source for Famitsu Scans? Best from beginning to current?

>> No.2304309

>>2304305

I've always been curious about Famitsu. I would be interested from a pure historical perspective if nothing else (though modern Famitsu seems to have real problem with corruption).

>> No.2304312

>>2304309
Yep, i'm also mostly after the old ones, but very hard to find.

>> No.2305184
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2305184

Never actually read any Famitsu issue, but their old guidebooks were very good.