/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2288783]

Recommend me some god-tier fighting games guise. Preferably pre-ps2 and 2D (but stuff like Tekken or Kamen Rider is fine too!)

[Anonymous No.2288789]

I'm not sure what you consider god tier, but I guess you could start playing Far East of Eden: Kabuki Klash.

[Anonymous No.2288792]

>>2288783
The only really god tier ones are Capcom's and SNK's games. Personally I like KoF far better.

SF2 and SSF2 on SNES are decent, other than that stick to Saturn or Dreamcast ports. All the 2D fighting games that came out on PS1 had tons of frames cut and are choppy to the point of not being worth playing.

[Anonymous No.2288793]

>>2288789
That looks nice, I'll try it thanks!

[Anonymous No.2288806]

>>2288783
Guilty Gear X (DC or PS2 is very good, and its sequels are even better.

[Anonymous No.2288810]

>>2288783
Bushido Blade 2 is the only good fighting game.
This and Virtua Fighter or DoA perhaps too.
Everything else is just unbalanced as fuck and ridiculously broken.

[Anonymous No.2288813]

>>2288792
Why play Saturn ports when you can emulate the arcade games?

[Anonymous No.2288814]

>>2288810
I don't really dig DoA, it just looks meh with all the bouncy tits and all... I might try bushido blade, though.

[Anonymous No.2288816]

>>2288813
call me a noob faggot or whatever but I suck at emulating arcade games, it rarely works properly ksdjfhljasdkf

[Anonymous No.2288819]

>>2288814
It might have bouncing tits, but the gameplay is really decent (not like Street Fighter or some shit). Apart from tag team battles There the combos can become just too ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2288820]

>>2288813
Yeah that's another option as well, just didn't feel like mentioning it.

[Anonymous No.2288830]

>>2288814
DoA is a much better game than it looks, but it's not amazing. Just solid.

Bushido Blade is a must play. A very different type of fighter, the kind where you can win in one solid blow. But it's a fantastic experience and a pretty great game. I wish it had more of a legacy.

[Anonymous No.2288841]

>>2288819
you can't really compare DoA and SF

DoA2 looks great over component cables on my ps2

[Anonymous No.2288843]

>>2288819
>but the gameplay is really decent (not like Street Fighter or some shit)

Wait, are you trying to say Street Fighter has bad gameplay?

[Anonymous No.2288845]

>>2288841
>you can't really compare DoA and SF
Why not? Both are fighting games. I just find DoA much more balanced, while Street Fighter, KoF, or whatever are much more arcadey. They are fun but also can be really unbalanced.

[Anonymous No.2288848]

>>2288845
Ohh god my sides. Dead or Alive is far less balanced than Street Fighter. But there is a distinct difference between 2D fighters and 3D fighters. And preferring one over the other is understandable.

[Anonymous No.2288858]

>>2288845
>They are fun but also can be really unbalanced.

Please ohh please explain to us what you think is unbalanced about SF.

[Anonymous No.2288867]

>>2288848
>>2288858
What I mean by unbalanced in these games is how ridiculously OP some of the combos are for some fighters.
Especially when it comes to shit like abusing invisible corner walls and bouncing the shit out of the opponent.
Some characters are just way too fucking broken in these games.
DoA tends to try to be a bit more realistic and less flashy, thats also why there is less unbalancy.

[Anonymous No.2288874]

>>2288858
He might mean in terms of player skill. DoA is simpler and you can get by with just decent timing and mashing and still do decently well against someone more experiences. Whereas in Street Fighter or KoF you really need to know your shit and there's little that an inexperienced player can do against someone more skilled.

It's grasping at straws a little, but I can't think of any other way someone would call Dead or Alive more balanced than Street Fighter.

[Anonymous No.2288876]

>>2288867
Some characters are just way too fucking broken in these games.

No, they're really not. But to an unskilled player I can see that.

[Anonymous No.2288880]

>>2288867
Your comments are hilarious! The street fighter games are considered the pinacle of balance in this genre.

[Anonymous No.2288884]

>>2288792
>complains about PS1 ports
>recommends SNES ports

[Anonymous No.2288894]

>>2288792
the ST port for ps1 isn't bad

[Anonymous No.2288896]

>>2288876
>>2288880
Whatever man, enjoy your arcadey shit fighter and cheese your way to the win with broken moves. Idc

[Anonymous No.2288901]

>>2288896
The reason this is funny is that DoA is actually far more arcadey and unbalanced.

[Anonymous No.2288903]

super street fighter 2 turbo.

[Anonymous No.2288910]

>>2288901
DoA fighting style is developed after Virtua Fighter.
In Virtua Fighter you do not have characters who can spam fireballs and jump across the whole screen doing hurricane kicks.
DoA is much more realistic and also less broken. Street Fighter is only so successful cause people are dumb and like fast entertaimnent with flashy special moves. That's also exactly the reason why Bushido Blade was so fucking underrated. Not flashy enough, not broken and unrealistic enough.

[Anonymous No.2288916]

Since when did "arcadey" become a pejorative, anyway? is it bad for movies to be "theatrical", too?

[Anonymous No.2288920]

>>2288910
i bet a decent SF player could beat you at your own games

[Anonymous No.2288930]

>>2288920
> i have no arguments anymore so GIT GUUUD!!!!

[Anonymous No.2289120]

>>2288810
This is bait

[Anonymous No.2289128]

>>2288910

[Anonymous No.2289165]

>>2288783
Rivals School is not 2D but is fucking amazing,
is set in the same universe as Street Fighter
and Final Fight, is a fuse between Tekken and
Street Fighter.

[Anonymous No.2289170]

>>2289165
Also i love video game characters playing video
games.

[Anonymous No.2289173]

>>2289170

[Anonymous No.2289176]

>>2289173

[Anonymous No.2289181]

Virtua Fighter 2 is still the greatest 3D fighting game ever, so if you like Tekken you should play the game it's trying (and failing) to be.

[Anonymous No.2289232]

Why would you want to play old FGs? The thing about them is playing against people, no one really cares about the older titles because they already moved on.

[Anonymous No.2289536]

>>2289165
Its also full of infinites and touch of death combos

[Anonymous No.2289539]

>>2289181
>Virtua Fighter 2 is still the greatest 3D fighting game ever

[Anonymous No.2289562]

>>2288880
Only one game in the series is well balanced.

[Anonymous No.2289568]

>>2288916
Because a game fast-paced and straight to the point is considered a really bad thing or something.

[Anonymous No.2289597]

>>2289181
3D fighting games are one of those rare genres that have actually gotten better with time. They're faster paced, have more characters and generally more actual depth now than they did then. And to be perfectly honest, I only replay anything pre-Tekken 3 out of nostalgia.

But if you want to fixate on obsolete old crap for the rest of your life, then go right ahead.
And no, I'm not some wide-eyes plucky tween who literally JUST started gaming.

I've been a gamer since 1988 and I've played just about every fighting game ever made. I will say that some genres age just fine, however TPS and 3D fighting games are not two of those genres. They age very shittily and older entries in the respective catalogues should honestly just be forgotten.

But that's me. Like I said, some folks actually DO let nostalgia rule their lives...

[Anonymous No.2289607]

>>2289181
i dont think tekken plays like vf at all

[Anonymous No.2289642]

Not 2D, but I'm a huge Soul Calibur faggot. (I guess this is allowed because DC)
Shame that the series has turned to a shitty dudebro fighter recently. It's not even an arcade game anymore.

[Obligatory list No.2289810]

I don't know what OP finds good, so I'll list what I usually play instead.
Waku Waku 7, SF Alpha 2, Pocket Fighter, Real Bout 1/2/S, Fatal Fury Mark of the Wolves, Samurai Shodown 1/2/4/5/6, Last Blade1/2, Power Instinct 2/Groove on Fight/Matrimelee, Variable Geo Max/Advanced 2, Martial Masters, Gundamwing Endless Duel, Far East of Eden Kabukiden, TMNT Tournament Fighter(SNES), Killer Instinct 2, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure(CPS2), Darkstalkers 2/3, Marvel Super Heroes, and X-Men Children of the Atom. I can pick up any of these and have a good time for half an hour, but if I had to pick one out of all of those, it will have to be Kabukiden Far East of Eden for its simplicity, great visuals, lightheartedness and pace.

>>2288816
The biggest newbie trap when it comes to arcade emulation is the fact that there are different versions of ROMs. You kinda do have to find all different kinds of the same game and figure out which one works.

[Anonymous No.2289814]

>>2288783
My personal favorites (in no particular order):

Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike
Street Fighter 4 (the newest version is Ultra Street Fighter 4, but I don't know if that's the one that they're playing in the tournament scene or not)
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3
Capcom vs. SNK 2
SNK vs. Capcom - Match of the Millennium
King of Fighters '98
King of Fighters XI
Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2
Garou - Mark of the Wolves
Samurai Shodown
Samurai Shodown II
Last Blade
Last Blade 2
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Nekketsu Kakutou Densetsu
Joy Mech Fight
Shin Kidou Senki Gundam W - Endless Duel
Power Instinct 2 (there's also an upgraded version called Gogetsuji Legends)
Groove On Fight
Power Instinct Matrimelee
Shin Goketsuji Ichizoku - Bonno Kaiho
Goketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzo Kuyou

If you REALLY like Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 then it's also worth playing Real Bout Fatal Fury Special. The other Samurai Shodown games are different from the first two, but it might be worth playing them anyway especially if you're into the characters. And if you REALLY get into SNK vs. Capcom on the Neo Geo Pocket Color then it might be worth playing the other fighters on that system as well.

[Anonymous No.2289815]

>>2289642
you mean the f2p xbox live game?
the series is pretty much dead, sc5 only got made because fans petitioned to have it

[Anonymous No.2289817]

>>2289810
mameui gives you the parent and clone roms up front
I wish the devs would stop pushing that ivplay crap though

[Anonymous No.2289821]

I'm an Alpha 2 guy.

Alpha 2 > Alpha 3

[Anonymous No.2289834]

Street Fighter III: 3rd strike and KoF 2002
My absolute favorite.

[Anonymous No.2289843]

Garou. Probably my favorite fighter ever.

[Anonymous No.2289846]

>>2289834
My niggah!

[Anonymous No.2289847]

>>2289821
>Alpha 2 > Alpha 3

True. A3 is broken as fuck. I do love me some Karin and R.Mika though.

[Anonymous No.2289875]

>>2289847
They should bring Rainbow Mika back.

[Anonymous No.2289881]

>>2289821

I'm with you, although both games are good, I always go back to Alpha 2.

The music is objectively better, too.

[Anonymous No.2289895]

What are SFA3's main faults?

Zero 2 has a special place in my heart since that's the one I played back in the day, but I always thought the sequel-revisions-whatchamacallit were better. What gives m8s?

[Anonymous No.2289907]

>>2289895
bad music and v-ism

[Anonymous No.2289910]

>>2289881
I miss Karin and the Rival Schools franchise.

[Anonymous No.2289914]

>>2289895
Custom combos. You get a full super bar to start and a lot of characters have infinites. So it's less about strats and more about landing that first custom or getting a guard break with custom. Also you could build meter again so fast. Didn't help the game in the long run when high level/tournament play was all custom shenanigans.

I play X-ism because idgaf but people would generally rather play A2, ST or 3S anyways

[Anonymous No.2289918]

>>2289914
I thought v-ism got banned from tournaments.

[Anonymous No.2289923]

>>2289918
I never heard of that happening

[Anonymous No.2289924]

>>2289923
I'm probably thinking of akuma then.

[Anonymous No.2289942]

>>2289924
He was only ever banned in ST.

In A3 people jumped on V-ism Akuma because of his 70% damage demon flip customs

[Anonymous No.2290250]

Some recommendations
>Street Fighter Alpha 1/Alpha 2 Gold/Alpha 3
>Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha/EX 2 Plus
>SNK vs. Capcom - Match of the Millennium
>X-Men vs. Street Fighter
>Fatal Fury Special
>Fatal Fury 3
>Real Bout Fatal Fury series
>Garou Mark of the Wolves
>Night Warriors
>Darkstalkers 3
>Vampire Chronicles
>Street Fighter III New Generation/2nd Impact/3rd Strike
>Super Street Fighter II Turbo
>Ring of Destruction-Slam Masters II
>World Heroes 2 Jet/Perfect
>KOF '94, '95, '98-Ultimate Match, 2000, 2002 Unlimited
>Last Blade 2
>MMPR Fighting Edition
>Fighter's History Dynamite
>Marvel vs. Capcom 1
>Rival Schools
>Marvel Super Heroes
>MSH vs. Street Fighter
>Capcom vs. SNK 2

[Anonymous No.2290265]

>>2288783
Mark of the Wolves and Last Blade 2

[Anonymous No.2290276]

>>2290265
i always hear people talk about these on /vr/ but nobody actually wants to play them on fightcade

[Anonymous No.2290280]

>>2290276
that's the amazing thing about fighters
everyone is an expert but no one plays

[Anonymous No.2290290]

>>2290280
im not saying either game is bad but a lot of people just parrot shit on this board

[Anonymous No.2290292]

>>2290290
also you have to realize most snk fans are third worlders with 9000 ping

[Anonymous No.2290357]

>>2290292
This.

lol.

[Anonymous No.2290359]

>>2290276
>>2290290

Shiiiiit, I'll play anything on Fightcade. I'm happy just to find folks there.

[Anonymous No.2290415]

>>2289914
Alpha 2 had more infinites and more broken custom combos than Alpha 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BG58tywljI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4PXazPtyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQzR5Y3hJA

[Anonymous No.2290416]

>>2289821
>Alpha 2 > Alpha 3
said no one ever.

[Anonymous No.2290446]

>>2290416
A lot of people seem to prefer alpha 2 gold over 3.
I'm sure it's mostly for the music though.

[Anonymous No.2290448]

>>2290415
Not that I'm disagreeing or anything but just a heads up: you actually start the round with a ful power gauge in Alpha 3. In Alpha 2 you have to build it before you can go into custom bullshit mode and even then you're constantly walking forward and a single hit takes you out of that mode. Takes a bit of more skill to pull off.

[Anonymous No.2290458]

>>2288783
KoF 98.

[Anonymous No.2290468]

>>2290265
Holy fuck you got such EXCELLENT taste.

Lost of people play Garou and it's awesome but I really wish more people played LB2. It's such a beautiful game. I can't learn the game because information's scarce and there are few players to play against, so I can't learn by study nor by fire. I think it's sad to see such a beautiful game abandoned.

[Anonymous No.2290471]

>>2290292
There's people from all over the world in fightcade SNK games rooms.

[Anonymous No.2290495]

>>2290471
problem solved then, go play with them

[Anonymous No.2290671]

>>2290416
Plenty of people have always preferred Alpha 2 over Alpha 3, there's always been a sort of rivalry between the two. You see a similar thing with Night Warriors and Vampire Savior, although that's more limited to Japan since that's where that series got most of its play.

[Anonymous No.2290693]

>>2289817
I found IVplay completely by accident and thought it was a good lightweight frontend for an emu that doesn't have its own game browser. What's wrong with it? Honest question.

[Anonymous No.2290829]

May be the wrong place to ask, but I can't seem to get Rage of the Drane direct me to a workigons to work on GGPO, it always comes up as not working and won't load even thought I've got the rom in the rom folder. I'm assuming it's the one I'm using? Can anyone direct me to a working one?

[Anonymous No.2290974]

>>2290829
>get Rage of the Drane direct me to a workigons to work on

How does this happen?!

[Anonymous No.2291003]

>>2290974
Damn mouse relocating my cursor so I type in a random place. Disregard that comment anyway, just make sure to get your MAME roms from ROM-World and not Emuparadise.

[Anonymous No.2293271]

>>2290446

Alpha 2 GOLD balance changes were for the better gameplay wise, but the community didn't go for it because they were used to Alpha 2 vanilla, what can you do kinda thing.

Alpha 2 Gold's music is actually the Sega Saturn tracks for Alpha 2 vanilla, and yeah the music is amazing. Those tracks are the first thing that pop into my mind when I think of Street Fighter's music.

Sagat vs Ryu track is too strong.

[Anonymous No.2293276]

>>2290448

And to add to that, with the Alex Valle CC's, no one could build up that resource fast enough. You'd eat a CC combo and have to spend that meter to deal damage to even the odds of winning the round before you could load up for touch of death combos.

In Alpha 3, touch of death was available at the start. I know this only matters for the upper 30% of players who play either games, but it still trickles down to the rest of the players. I remember getting fucked out of my quarters at a taco shop that had Marvel 1 because one teenage kid knew the War Machine Infinite.

[Anonymous No.2295089]

What do people actually SEE in the pre-2000 KoF games that makes them worth playing today? They just feel so feature-barren compared to the neat stuff that got added in future games.

[Anonymous No.2295092]

>>2295089

fighting games don't need all sort of crazy ass features in order to be good (although it doesn't mean having all sort of crazy ass features is a bad thing, either).

If you can't see why Street Fighter II is still good, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Anonymous No.2295093]

>>2290446
Actually the vast majority of people prefer Alpha 3 over Alpha 2.

As proof by the fact Alpha 3 has more players on GGPO/Fightcade and actually still has an arcade/tourney scene.

[Anonymous No.2295107]

It's cool to hate on 3./vr

[Anonymous No.2295108]

>>2295092
Things BESIDES the bells and whistles changes in Street Fighter in its multiple iterations. KoF reused the same core gameplay, hitboxes and sprites for nearly every fighter for like 10 years.

[Anonymous No.2295134]

>ctrl+f
>Rival Schools
>>2290250
>>2289910
/vr/ is in good hands

[Anonymous No.2295143]

>>2295093
Casual fighting fans usually prefer 3 because it has more characters, but Alpha 2 is much more preferred by people who play competitively (ie offline).

Alpha 3 has a scene in Japan, true, but every game does. 2 still has a good number of people who play in the States.

[Anonymous No.2295427]

>>2295093
>>2295143
The ONLY thing wrong with SFA3 is custom combos. Solution: BAN V-ISM. Problem fucking solved.

[Anonymous No.2296345]

>>2289810
>Variable Geo Max/Advanced 2

Holy fucking shit, m8. I remember playing this when I was 10.
I thought I'd never see this game again since it looked too niche and I didn't know its name.
Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.2296357]

>>2295143
>but Alpha 2 is much more preferred by people who play competitively
lol no, no its not
Alpha 3 has an active arcade and tourney community, Alpha 2 does not.

Alpha 2 was broken and unbalanced, Chun shitting on everyone for free and Rose cr.MP BS

Go look on A-cho, literally no one plays Alpha 2

[Anonymous No.2296362]

>>2295427
V-ism is fine, the best character in the game doesn't even use V-ism

[Anonymous No.2296392]

>>2295143
>Alpha 2 is much more preferred by people who play competitively
You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.2296431]

>>2288810
>Bushido Blade

Shitty dueling sim, not a fighting game.

[Anonymous No.2296853]

>>2296357
>literally no one plays Alpha 2
https://www.youtube.com/user/FGCSabin/search?query=alpha+2