Why do excellent development teams fall apart?

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Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:13:38 2015 No.2282241 [Reply] [Original]

Why do excellent development teams fall apart?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:19:23 2015 No.2282257

>>2282241
Not entirely sure where you're going with this, but the answer is fairly obvious. Life gets in the way. Making games is incredibly time consuming and there's no space for family or outside interests at all, it's not a sustainable lifestyle. Not to mention that after years of work, if a game is not a financial success it's devastating. Most people don't stay in the biz for very long, if they do it's as "creative directors" or producers, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:20:21 2015 No.2282259 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:34:26 2015 No.2282278

Sometimes people fall in love with their creations and want to do what's best and leave the series at a high point. Because of this, Team Silent got fired and Hideo Kojima got death threats lol. Nothing will ever be perfect. Silent Hill 2 was supposed to have a nightmare apartment section, but some of their servers failed and they lost the data. The prophetic Metal Gear Solid 2 started coming true right before they finished making it (9/11) and they had to remove the imagery depicting Arsenal Gear crashing into New York.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:58:08 2015 No.2282367 Why are they trying to imply that dogs lay eggs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:03:30 2015 No.2282371 >>2282367 Because the artist didn't know how to draw puppies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:10:25 2015 No.2282375 >>2282367 You know what's funny? I always thought that dogs laid eggs, and I learned something today.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:18:05 2015 No.2282382 >>2282259 This sounds about right ,nothing good lasts forever.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 18:54:33 2015 No.2282437
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Lots of reasons, OP.

Sometimes it's because of management decisions by the company superiors.

I wish the Exact guys could have gone freelance like Treasure instead of being cannibalized and torn apart by SCEJ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 19:04:33 2015 No.2282454 >>2282375 Are you retarded?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:06:45 2015 No.2282575

Because game quality is never a guarantee for profitability. If you think game developers make games because they feel like it, then you're sorely mistaken. If something doesn't make money, why keep it around? There's a reason why Nintendo has axed F-Zero, Metroid, Custom Robo, Advance Wars, etc. Those didn't make nearly enough money to justify the R&D and development costs. It's ALL about money, no matter what excuses they may throw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 21:58:01 2015 No.2282681 >>2282437 Funny how Zoom's been a thing for much longer, but Jumping Flash is better remembered than Zero Divide (a series that plays better per sequel, whereas Robbit Mon Dieu seems to disappoint).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:02:36 2015 No.2282691 >>2282367 i think it's supposed to be taking care of them. it's cute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:28:33 2015 No.2282734 >>2282575 >Nintendo axed Metroid But they didn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:31:10 2015 No.2282740 >>2282734 I dunno, the last Metroid game came out in 2007. That's quite a long time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:32:26 2015 No.2282743 >>2282375 It depends on the breed, a mastiff like the one in the logo certainly wouldn't lay eggs that look like that

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 22:38:49 2015 No.2282754 >>2282740 there's other m but i can see why you wouldnt include it

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:30:40 2015 No.2283118 File: 2.93 MB, 1282x540, Sand Mandala.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2282259 >>2282382

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:33:54 2015 No.2283124 >>2283118 Good thing someone filmed the painting before they destroyed it, huh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:34:23 2015 No.2283125 >>2283124 >Painting

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:35:21 2015 No.2283126 >>2283124 It too will eventually be lost forever into the void.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:36:28 2015 No.2283127 >>2283124 >filmed >painting You're all mixed up.

Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:45:45 2015 No.2283135
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>>2283126

Buddhism emphasizes impermanence. but imo, if you're going to create value, it should be preserved as best as possible. that's also why I support the emulator scene.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:47:08 2015 No.2283139 >>2283125 >>2283127 well, sand painting

Anonymous Wed Mar 11 02:49:59 2015 No.2283146

>>2283135
While I'm no expert I think the purpose of such things is to prepare you for the inevitable, better to be ready to lose things you care for than be unable to cope with loss, with that in mind you won't be bothered if it lasts forever or leaves tomorrow, you'd be content with either scenario. At least that's how a stoic would probably see it, maybe not Buddhists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 03:04:23 2015 No.2283162 >>2283146 you've got the right idea. Buddhism isn't nihilist, it's about being liberated from attachments and cravings. it's a subtle body of thought.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 03:34:01 2015 No.2283172 >>2282367 Japanese folklore. A classic tale of a dog that laid eggs or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 04:15:40 2015 No.2283203 >>2283124 How come they didn't destroy the camera though?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 04:36:46 2015 No.2283214 File: 384 KB, 250x188, 1423852875062.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2282375 You're an irredeemable retardfor referencing Family Guy

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 07:05:27 2015 No.2283356 File: 88 KB, 500x714, ynWinb7ARflevBZN5EFJnfudeBe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2283124 pretty good documentary on the topic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 14:11:14 2015 No.2283838 >>2282241 I just realized that their logo is a dog laying on eggs. I thought it was a deformed crab with three eyes.

>>	Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo Wed Mar 11 17:38:51 2015 No.2284146 This phenomenon's one reason why getting new interviews with former developers helps to provide material for analysis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 17:44:53 2015 No.2284156 >>2283838 Wat.

>>	Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo Wed Mar 11 17:48:57 2015 No.2284165 >>2284156 Actually it's a half-finished bagel with donut holes attached + malformations the shift manager didn't notice.

Anonymous Thu Mar 12 13:16:12 2015 No.2285460

>>2283838
Never thought about it before but a dog on some eggs is a little odd. I bet there is some kind of story behind it.. I'll try and find some details

But anyway, back on topic.
I'm not sure if it was the same way in most of the /vr/ era but it seems that excellent high end titles cost more to create than they will make on a "full price" tag. On top of that (and /vr/ knows this best) a lot of really great innovative ideas aren't even fully realized or appreciated until long after their "prime". Sales don't keep a company afloat if they happened 10 years after the game came out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 14:28:48 2015 No.2285515 >>2282375 > people not recognizing a 15 year old Family Guy quote and insulting you because of it.

Anonymous Thu Mar 12 14:32:16 2015 No.2285519

>>2285460
>Never thought about it before but a dog on some eggs is a little odd. I bet there is some kind of story behind it.. I'll try and find some details

Found it.

>The corporate logo depicts a dog similar to a dachshund incubating several eggs. According to a 2003 Nintendo Power interview about Kirby Air Ride, producer Masayoshi Tanimura notes that the dog is a fictional creation and that the team do not think of the dog as a dachshund. Tanimura explains that the logo represents deep thought into "incubating completely new ideas that eventually hatch into incredibly fun games".

I always assumed it was just some weird thing from Japanese folklore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 14:34:38 2015 No.2285526 >>2285519 >>I always assumed it was just some weird thing from Japanese folklore. wtf japan so weird amirite

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 14:36:23 2015 No.2285527 File: 644 B, 256x224, ApeInc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hay guise check out this weird logo it's probably from japanese folklore because apparently that's how japanese people make logos

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 14:46:54 2015 No.2285542 >>2285526 >>2285527 There's monsters that carry water in their heads and rape girls, raccoon dogs with giant balls, and foxes with nine tails, so why not a dog that lays eggs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 15:57:25 2015 No.2285624 >>2285542 Let us not forgot about the dog that impregnated a the daughter of his master who then gave birth to eight green crystal balls with Confucius principles on them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 16:21:27 2015 No.2285646 >>2285515 And you know why? Because 95% of these people were born literally 14 years ago. God damn neo-/v/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 16:24:30 2015 No.2285652 >>2285515 >Watching Family Guy enough to recognize jokes from fifteen years ago. You were the pleb all along.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:21:02 2015 No.2285769 >>2282367 I swear I've seen in some game a joke on this logo, where a chicken is looking after three puppies.

Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:23:55 2015 No.2285773

I always thought it was recently born pups nursing from their mother. I thought that they didn't have much color because they don't have much hair and that they were curled up like balls. As it turns out they were eggs all along and the meaning behind it is just eggs representing ideas being incubated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:25:06 2015 No.2285774 >>2285652 15 years ago Family Guy wasn't shit like it is now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:42:30 2015 No.2285797 >>2285773 All mammals have live births, except for the duck-billed platypus who lays eggs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:51:35 2015 No.2285808 File: 232 KB, 900x506, knuckles_the_echidna_wallpaper_by_triplexero-d37vki4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2285797 Don't forget the echidna.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 12 17:54:25 2015 No.2285812 >>2285527 Uhhh!? The ape from APE's logo is hugging his enormous cock or what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 01:02:21 2015 No.2286329 >>2283118 >>2283124 >>2283356 Muh niggas, I just watched the episode of House of Cards that had one of these on it and I've been super curious about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 01:09:05 2015 No.2286337 >>2282575 > Nintendo has axed F-Zero It's not "axed" more like... "We have NO idea what direction this should go." They don't know if they should go all out racer F-Zero X or Story Mode GX.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 01:09:33 2015 No.2286338 >>2285812 I thought it was Donkey Kong doing that "We can do it!" feminism poster pose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 14:25:16 2015 No.2287112 >>2282241 Because they get sold out to faggots and move on to fresher shit. All these suckers wanna feel like big dogs and then their people turn franchises into disappointments. Uninspired participants is what makes development teams fall apart.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 14:27:02 2015 No.2287115 >>2287112 Remember pokemon? Yeah, GenII is pukeworthy and after that is hang yourself worthy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 14:58:42 2015 No.2287167 >>2282241 because you touch yourself at night

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 13 18:17:59 2015 No.2287474 >>2282241 It's not fallen appart so much as scattered; the only person they can't access anymore is Shiminoua, if I'm not mistaken, with Sakurai and that other fellow a couple phone calls away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 14 22:32:12 2015 No.2289521 >>2282241 The consist of nerds with big egos and poor social skills.

Anonymous Sun Mar 15 13:22:11 2015 No.2290463

>>2287474
What the fuck happened to Shimomura anyway? It seems like he fell off the face of the planet after Kirby 64.
Also, while they could probably get Sakurai to work with them again with enough begging Iwata is too busy as the CEO of Nintendo and Itoi has no intention of returning to the gaming industry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 15 13:26:08 2015 No.2290470 >>2290463 >...Itoi has no intention of returning to the gaming industry. Can you really blame him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 15 16:35:26 2015 No.2290795 >>2290463 He got his own business designing gardens or parks or something.

>>	deleted Sun Mar 15 16:41:44 2015 No.2290806 >>2285515 I dont consider FG to be relevant at all, I dont know any quote from it

>>	deleted Sun Mar 15 16:43:32 2015 No.2290812 >>2285527 That's because of The Dawn Of Man from 2001 a space odyssey. HAL labs also got the name from it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 15 16:49:48 2015 No.2290826 >>2290812 They have good taste in film

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