Consoles that should've won their respective generations due to quality & effort

[Anonymous No.2259649]

I think the PC-Engine was fucking cool and beat the shit out of the other two to begin with, the CD games in japan were also legendary and I can't believe NEC fucked it all up with the PC-FX

[Anonymous No.2259790]

[Anonymous No.2259806]

>>2259790
Mah VGA

[Anonymous No.2259821]

>>2259649
>beat the shit out of the other two to begin with,

Megadrive/Genesis yes, but it was really far from beating the Super Famicom.

[Anonymous No.2259830]

>>2259821
It really wasn't. The processor in the SNES was slow as fuck, the video hardware was over complicated and the sound chip didnt have enough ram to really shine.

[Anonymous No.2259836]

>>2259830
Still, in my humble opinion, it's all about the games. The games that the PC Engine had, while great games in their own right, have nothing to do against the games that the SNES had.

Sure, you have Rondo of Blood, but the SNES had Super Castlevania IV. You had Lunar, we had Chrono Trigger. Just my two cents.

[Anonymous No.2259853]

>>2259836
>You had Lunar

That was in Sega CD. PC Engine CD had some good RPG's (Manjimaru, Seiya Monogatari and Emerald Dragon) but not as good as the ones you can find on Super Famicom/SNES.

[Anonymous No.2259871]

>won

[Anonymous No.2259882]

[Anonymous No.2259937]

>>2259836
so SNESkid how is chronotrigger "objectively" better than lunar, sounds more like your opinion to me.

[Anonymous No.2259941]

[Anonymous No.2259947]

>>2259937

I think he isn't saying that CT is better than Lunar.

You can like the PC Engine, but arguing that it's better than the SNES will only lead up to console war shitposting.
It's like trying to argue the N64 is better than the PS1. (pro tip: none is better than the other, you CAN prefer one over the other, but one of them has an objectively bigger, and more variated catalogue, this applies in both case scenarios)

[Anonymous No.2259958]

>>2259947
I don't think it applies to the PC engine though cause most people on this board are clueless about it and just assume the games aren't as good because they haven't heard of them. I honestly think the same goes for genesis, all the 16 bit consoles are amazing and yet SNES gets declared the best by too many people who havent delved into the PC engine or mega drive.

[Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo No.2259974]

>>2259882
Seems to me a crucial difference between the Marty and its daddy—that the Marty's a side-grade offering FM Towns owners an expensive way to play their games on a TV—prevented acceptance by the console market. Gotta remember, the PC Engine's way different from the PC-88 in concept, having built-in graphics routines (sprites, scrolling &c.) that none of NEC's PC models had in the late-1980s. The system was pushed as doing for games what the PC-98 had accomplished for businesses, trussed by NEC's distribution and third-party leverage...no surprise that it succeeded to me, whereas the Marty feels like an afterthought. Too expensive for most families buying their first unit or a sequel to a previous console, and too pointless when you have an FM Towns at home with an RGB monitor and peripherals on top of its low-end workstation capabilities.

Can you play Data West's post-1991 FM Towns games (later The 4th Unit sequels, Psychic Detective Series, Shamhat) on a Marty?

[Anonymous No.2259979]

>>2259958
>people who havent delved into the PC engine or mega drive.

I did anon... and I already mentioned some of the best JRPG's for the console, but I'm afraid you can count the good ones with your fingers. Overall the japanese catalogue is way better than the one you have on Megadrive, but it just can't compete with the Super Famicom catalogue.

[Anonymous No.2259981]

>>2259974
As long as it doesn't require two floppy drives, a hard drive, more than 2 MB RAM or other things the Marty doesn't have it should run.

[Anonymous No.2259985]

Love the PC-Engine and it's games, wish it had done better and that NEC's game division was still around. But I wouldn't go so far to say it was "superiour" to the competition. Superiour to the 8-bit systems that preceeded it perhaps, but not beyond that. Also, hudcards were a mistake, should have gone cartridge. Best console CD-Intergration untill the 32-bit era though, but only in Japan.

[Anonymous No.2259989]

>>2259958

>I don't think it applies to the PC engine though cause most people on this board are clueless

What the fuck? You are underestimating /vr/, kid.

[Anonymous No.2260031]

>>2259985
What if they went with CDs for the base unit?

[Anonymous No.2260047]

>>2260031
>What if they went with CDs

It would have been too expensive back when they released the upgrade. The PC Engine Duo was like 400 bucks in 1993.

[Anonymous No.2260081]

>>2259985
>hucards were a mistake

No. Were you around in the US in the early nineties? Everything was about collecting. Hucards would have been huge if they were integrated properly.

[Anonymous No.2260087]

>>2260081
I don't think pushing the colectability of something that the majority of kids would only buy a handful of games a year top would be smart.

Personally I think the Hucards are cool.

You can name a bunch of minor problems with the TG16. The only reason TG16 failed was it had no big mascot to push the console. Even Genesis, which sold well at release, didn't get its huge numbers till Sonic.

[Anonymous No.2260096]

>>2259989
we do have our fair share of 64babbies

[Anonymous No.2260097]

>>2259649
>Implying PC Engine wasn't wildly successful
I think OP is still using his Western/Weeb perspective as hard as he's trying.

PC-E was exceptionally prolific. The 4th gen Console War wasn't as brutal in the East but in the end Nintendo was still Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.2260141]

>>2260087
Maybe Sony shouldn't have ditched Polygon Man if they wanted to make the PS1 a success.

[Anonymous No.2260152]

>>2260141
They had Crash and Spyro. Also the GT series.

TG16 not so much at launch. They should had pushed the anime style games.

[Anonymous No.2260162]

>>2260152
Maybe they should have tried to air anime for cross promotion like with Pokémon. Wataru/Keith Courage may have been a bit weird for Americans though.

[Anonymous No.2260179]

>>2260162
It's neat to think about. I wish the TG16 stuff wasn't so stupid right now and we had more NTSC U games.

[Anonymous No.2260236]

>>2259649
What the shit, you've already been just TOLD almost yesterday why the PCE fell flat on it's face but you're already beating this dead horse?

>>2241384 (OP)
>-only one controller port(and on a system where bomberman was a notable franchise)
>-pointlessly clunky, they didn't even bother to come up with some sort of use for that extra space
>-it was NOT under-powered, it was over-delayed, the power level was just fine for something a year ahead of the genesis, so it needed to have been released in the west before the genesis, not for some reason AFTER
>-didn't improve the controller over the previous generation(except turbo fire), YET they had no backwards compatibility like sega (with cross compatibility to boot), devs even ended up using the start or mode button as an action button
>-supergrafx was stupid
>-they would have needed to pull this whole thing off without major stumbles to milk the potential of a common home&portable game format.

>The PCE succeeded on the strength of Japan's economic boom and beat the Mega Drive to punch for arcade-accurate ports for the "hardcore" gamers of that time. It was/is viewed in Japan as an "off brand" platform, supported mostly by otaku.
>It had none of these things going for it in the States, and as has already been discussed, it was marketed and handled horribly.

[Anonymous No.2260253]

>>2260096

>console wars

Yeah, you're underestimating /vr/.

[Anonymous No.2260278]

>>2259979
and the super famicom can't compete when it comes to action platformers or shmups.

>>2259989
lelmao thats why I had to keep the PC engine general on life support as long as I did while your e-celeb threads get to the bump limit. Nice try kid

[Anonymous No.2260283]

>>2260236
Not OP and I saw this post and it's hilariously out of touch. I'd have to assume you're young and looking up all this information. I wasn't going to reply but what ever.
>-only one controller port(and on a system where bomberman was a notable franchise)
TG16 has a great multitap. One of the better ones made. Nice and compact.
>-pointlessly clunky, they didn't even bother to come up with some sort of use for that extra space
It’s smaller than Genesis or SNES. Plus it has the option of the Turbo CD. It was designed damn well. This NEC and Hudson Soft we’re talking about.
I don’t know what you mean about extra space? You mean the back cover? Think the plan was for people to buy a Turbo CD.
>-it was NOT under-powered, it was over-delayed, the power level was just fine for something a year ahead of the genesis, so it needed to have been released in the west before the genesis, not for some reason AFTER
The PC Engine had some of the best looking games of the generation. See rondo of blood.

[Anonymous No.2260289]

>>2260283
>-didn't improve the controller over the previous generation(except turbo fire), YET they had no backwards compatibility like sega (with cross compatibility to boot), devs even ended up using the start or mode button as an action button
What was wrong with the original controller? That controller was pretty cool with the turbo buttons. There were later released controllers with more buttons and adapters.
>-supergrafx was stupid
Maybe you’re on the wrong board?
>-they would have needed to pull this whole thing off without major stumbles to milk the potential of a common home&portable game format.

Ok?
>The PCE succeeded on the strength of Japan's economic boom and beat the Mega Drive to punch for arcade-accurate ports for the "hardcore" gamers of that time. It was/is viewed in Japan as an "off brand" platform, supported mostly by otaku.
Quite a lot of sales for it to be an off brand console… Not sure how you call NEC off brand either. Basically confirming you’re young right there.
>It had none of these things going for it in the States, and as has already been discussed, it was marketed and handled horribly.
Because it sold so poorly and didn’t last long.

[Anonymous No.2260295]

>>2260278

>general

Generals don't work here, except for the Doom thread. Do you see SNES or Genesis generals? People just post about games and consoles, /vr/ is slow enough so even if you don't bump a thread the same day, it will still be there the next one. You are an autist if you really complain about people not replying to your threads, man. Sad as fuck.

If you want the PCE to get more recognition, then write actual good threads about it. Work on some translation, scan some magazines, do SOMETHING to contribute, instead of bitch like a little whiny child.

I love the PCE, you're just being a faggot though, cry more.

[Anonymous No.2260301]

>>2260295
>contributing to a 4chan board
Naw, what's the point, just post whatever and just chill.

[Anonymous No.2260330]

I like the pc engine but my main issue with it is that a lot of cool games never made it out of Japan.

[Anonymous No.2260331]

>>2260295
You're the one shitting up the board it was a thread to amalgamate all tg and pce stuff. I posted lots of quality content so project harder you angry child.

[Anonymous No.2260340]

>>2260331

>it was a thread to amalgamate all tg and pce stuff


I remember several PCE threads, there were many since /vr/ was created, and I posted and contributed in many of them, too.

I love the PCE, but starting an OP with shitty console war bait like

>beat the shit out of the other two to begin with

doesn't really sound too inviting, it looks like a /v/ OP, not a /vr/ one.

[Anonymous No.2260345]

>>2260340
you're mom looks like a /v/ op

[Anonymous No.2260362]

I can't tell if this is a troll thread or if OP is just incredibly bitter.

[Anonymous No.2260505]

>>2260362
>20 unique posters
>everybody is OP
fuck you 16 year olds are retarded

[Anonymous No.2260509]

>>2260505
Yes OP, I know you're retarded, but I didn't say the entire thread was you.

[Anonymous No.2260595]

>>2260509
Again I am not OP nor do I agree that the PC engine should have won. I do believe the SNES is only believed to be the winner due to lack of knowledge. You kids don't even know good PCE games that aren't on the wiki.

[Anonymous No.2260609]

>>2260595
>I do believe the SNES is only believed to be the winner due to lack of knowledge

What does that even mean? It's only "believed to be the winner"? What does it even mean to be the fucking "winner"?

[Anonymous No.2260615]

>>2260595

>I do believe the SNES is only believed to be the winner

You are the only one bringing up console war shitposting. Nobody is talking about winners or losers except you, OP.

[Anonymous No.2260617]

The guy raging about PC Engine and others are both being very childish. /v/ tier greentext everywhere.
>>2260609

I assume that guy is 3rd world.

[Anonymous No.2260618]

>>2260609
It means that it's better than the other ones. Look I know you might not agree with that but that seems to be the attitude of little shits around here. I was just saying the quality is consistent across the board and the SNES only has "more games" because they are more well known. The fact is it doesn't have the numbers advantage contrary to what someone in this very thread said.

[Anonymous No.2260620]

The PCE CD was arguably the most supported CD attachment of the era.

[Anonymous No.2260629]

I thought that console war winners was determined by sales

[Anonymous No.2260638]

>>2260615
What did Kamiya even do at the university?

[Anonymous No.2260651]

>>2260615
English isn't your first language I see. Who is being a console warrior here? I think you are far too emotionally invested in this which is understandable for a 16 year old with no real problems to worry about. Go back to the /v/ recommends wiki pleb.

[Anonymous No.2260656]

>>2260651
your as much as a faggot as him

[Anonymous No.2260660]

>>2260656
go back to english class kid

[Anonymous No.2260665]

>>2260656
I'm a faggot because I think the 16 bit generation had amazing consoles across the board. Lel more like I called you out on being fucking stupid kids and hurt your precious egos. The same type of faggot that declares FF6 "objectively" better than PS4, fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.2260676]

Holy shit, look at you people. Got greentext, kidshit, calling each other faggots, and reddit lel shit...

I don't know about the future of this board. You idiots need to take this shit back to your containment board. Not much hope for the board if you tools turn this shit into /v/.

[Anonymous No.2260681]

>>2260676
you must be new. nothing has changed here. Other than less posting maybe and less princess sevenleaf and less electronics fathers.

[Anonymous No.2260683]

>>2260681
Not really. The shitposting has been increasing dramatically. Rarely saw the "lel" bullshit unless it was an obvious modern gamer or troll with non retro stuff.

[Anonymous No.2260684]

>>2260683
This. Something happened recently. I've been here since the day the board went up, and the last few months have just been awful.

Remember: report, sage, hide.

[Anonymous No.2260693]

>>2260683
>>2260684
People have been saying this since day 1 too

[Anonymous No.2260704]

>>2260693
I didn't say they never say it. It's not an absolute and there will always be shitposting. The amount has been going nuts lately.

[Anonymous No.2260760]

OP here, on topic. The Neo Geo Pocket was also a hardware miracle and impressed 3rd party developers at the time. The only problem was Nintendo was so dominant back then that everyone loved the dev tools for the NGP but were too entrenched in the success of the Gameboy to ever use them.

Shantae at one point was going to be a NGP game as well as a Gameboy game but no media of the NGP version was never released and besides being mentioned in magazines, was silently cancelled.

The NGP will always be remembered as that handheld that could connect to the Dreamcast for some ~reason~

[Anonymous No.2260763]

>>2260651

>English isn't your first language I see

And how is that relevant to the discussion? Ad hominem already? Oh wait.

>Who is being a console warrior here?

Maybe the OP (that is, you), who insists on making a competition on which console was "best" or "winner"?
Your goal isn't to have nice PCE discussion, your goal is to shitpost, and at this point is very, very obvious.

[Anonymous No.2260861]

>>2260763
>And how is that relevant to the discussion?
because if you would stop projecting and listen you would realize I am not OP, and have stated many times that all the consoles had great games. By him making a thread trying to declare one as a winner implied that there actually was a winner. Stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.2261174]

>>2259981
That's like 1/3rd of the library though.