/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2246798]

How does /vr/ rate the Final Fantasy games in terms of stories and character? Which game would be best for someone who have yet to play an FF game?

[Anonymous No.2246804]

VI > IX > V > VII > VIII > III > I > II > IV

[Anonymous No.2246818]

>Which game would be best for someone who have yet to play an FF game?
Start with the SNES version of FFIV (called FFII) and play FFVI and FFV next in that order.
Now if you liked FFIV the most play FFIX next. (Both games mainly focus on their stories, have very linear gameplay and barely any optinons for character customization due to their characters being locked in their job classes)
Now if you liked FFV the most play FFVIII next. (Both games have a focus character customization and if you actually care about their stories it IS there but requires some exploration to fully figure them out)
Now if you liked FFVI the most play FFVII next. (Both games have roughly egual focus on story and character customization)

Still want more? Play through the other two games mentioned and FFX. You have now seen where the series reputation came from and what was so good in it. Now as for the NES games they are decent but unless you grew up with NES you probably aren't going to enjoy them.

>But Anon the SNES version of FFIV is too easy and dumbed down!
True but it isn't done to the insulting degree of Mystic Quest and do remember we are talking about a good game to start out with, not the most difficult one for player who has already played them all and is looking for a challenge. To those players I recommend FFT with the 1.3 patch.

[Anonymous No.2246912]

>>2246804
This is so accurate I can't argue it. But where would you rank X and XII?

[Anonymous No.2246925]

>Which game would be best for someone who have yet to play an FF game?

It's all personal opinion and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

If you've already played one and want something similar or dissimilar to it then it'd be easy to make a suggestion. Starting from scratch, though, you should just look up the various games and choose which one you think looks the most interesting to play and you'll probably like that.

[Anonymous No.2247032]

They're all shit besides the spin-offs.

[Anonymous No.2247354]

4 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 2 > 1 > 9 > 3 > 8

I'd say start with 4 since it is where the cinematic direction that would come to define the series really starts to fully come into itself.

If nothing else, just play them in release order. Release order is the best way to play/watch anything that you really want to learn about, even if the individual entries in a series are not explicitly narratively linked to each other.

[Razz No.2247374]

>>2246818
>but the SNES version of 4 is dumbed down and easier

No. It's dumbed down and harder. Why do people keep making that mistake? For the last time, FF2US is NOT FF4J-EZ. It's FF4 with certain commands removed and harsher difficulty spikes.

I would not recommend any version, of ANY game, that strips out content for no justifiable reason. If you want to go SNES, get FF4 and patch in a fan translation.

Go with the non-DS remakes for original flavour, DS for extra crispy. I'm partial to the PSP version as it's the only one with all the spinoffs included.

[Anonymous No.2247392]

6 Will always be the best, But 4 is a good one. I also really enjoy 2. That pandemonium theme is 0_0

[Anonymous No.2247406]

>>2246798

my autism requires release order, it also requires that your autism require release order too.

[Anonymous No.2247419]

A lot of people didn't like the story or characters in V but I really enjoyed that game. The use of the job system was great in that game as well. Overall the best story is probably VI though.

[Razz No.2247431]

>>2247406
That can't have been how most of us did it. Anyone who followed the series in the western world likely went 1-4-6 and brached in any number of directions from there.

[Anonymous No.2247436]

>>2246804
It's spot on, except that i would remove VIII entirely.

[Anonymous No.2247447]

>>2247419
While I have seen people to shit on FFV's story (or more specifically the lack of it) I have never seen anyone complaining about the characters of FFV. Hell, many people think that Galuf, Gilgamesh and Exdeath are among the best characters in the entire series.

[Anonymous No.2247465]

>>2247447
Exdeath looked cool but I feel like he was such a basic villain.

>MWAHAHAHAHA! ILL DESTROY THE WORLD!

[Razz No.2247478]

>>2247465
Everything in V is more or less thought-free gaming - just don't try to pick it apart and you'll love it. It's a popcorn game.

[Anonymous No.2247569]

>>2247465
I liked him because he was evil because fuck you. He was like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

[Razz No.2247580]

>>2247447
Gilgamesh is the best FF character hands down. I wish we could have a whole game (that isn't Dissidia) where we could follow him and his adventures through all the different FF dimensions.

[Anonymous No.2247590]

>>2247465
Exdeath is awesome:
You see your team in FFV are not the original heroes, you're the guys sent in AFTER those guys couldn't stop him.
Let's not disrespect those original guys they literally moved heaven and earth to try and put a stop to him. You see for a start Exdeath can't die, the first heroes reduced him to splinters but he just kept coming back. Then when they realised this they sealed him up instead in not one, not two, not three, but ALL FOUR elemental crystals. Then just to be sure they SPLIT THE WORLD INTO TWO SEPERATE DIMENSIONS and a secret third dimension containing the void force that would allow Exdeath the ability to kill everything everywhere forever.

Normally when that sort of shit is pulled the sealed evil stays sealed for around 100+ years or more. EXDEATH WAS OUT AND ABOUT IN LESS THAN FIFTY.
He then proceeded to undo everything the original heroes did in about a month all the while casually killing off those heroes, most of the time not even noticing their prescence.
They don't go easy either: the last one survives going down to -2000 hp and throws spells so powerful we aren't allowed them in game at Exdeath in an attempt to kill him.
He literraly just shrugs it off and wanders away as that last hero dies so hard not even life3 or phoenix down can revive him.

Then he goes on to gain the power to destroy everything everywhere forever and only loses because he hasn't realised (like Enuo before him) that by gaining this power he can now die and by the time he notices he's already taken too much damage to kill of those second heroes his been pretty much ignoring the whole time.

>B-but he was such a basic villain!
Even if he was basic he is still one of the better and more threatening villains in the series. Also he does the being evil just for sake of being evil thing better than Kefka.

[Anonymous No.2247606]

>>2247590
How was he basic in the first place? He was a fucking tree superprison for the worst things in the universe until they merged together into a single consciousness. He wasn't evil for the sake of evil, he wanted to unlock the Void because he served a vessel for the denizens of the Void after the Void itself was hidden between the separated worlds.

Villains don't have to be misunderstood or have complex motivations to be interesting. Exdeath is hands down one of my favorite video game villains. Also Kefka was even shallower

[Anonymous No.2248330]

>>2247606
Kefka made up for it in style.

[Anonymous No.2248339]

>>2246798
Not gameplay? 6 absolutely CRUSHES every other game in terms of story. 4 is my second favorite.

Just whatever you do, DO NOT PLAY FF2! It's one of the worst games ever made. 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and Tactics are all worth playing. 9 might be depending on how you feel about anime stylings. MAYBE 10 and 10-2 if you like modern style JRPGs. Avoid the rest.

[Anonymous No.2248367]

>>2246818

Wow, great. What about X and XII though bro?

[Anonymous No.2248370]

>>2247374

What is the FF4 in the Complete collection? Because that's what I played. I know it's the GBA version but enchanced for PSP but is it the jap version (not the easy one, the regular one)?

[Anonymous No.2248374]

>>2247447
>>2247465
>>2247478
>>2247569
>>2247580

FFV is more like a "fun" story. Like FFIX.

Some people think they are the best though.

[Anonymous No.2248378]

>>2246818

>Start with Final Fantasy IV

Yeah OP start with the worst game in the series

[Anonymous No.2248380]

>>2247606
>>2247590

I thought he was a tree who magically gained powers and became evil because fuck humans. Then again i played it on snes. Didn't remember the superprison thing.

[Anonymous No.2248381]

>>2247465

>>MWAHAHAHAHA! ILL DESTROY THE WORLD!

This is every villian in Final Fantasy

[Anonymous No.2248382]

>>2248378
well meme'd

[Anonymous No.2248383]

>>2248378

Yeah, well, snes version maybe.

But he could the Advanced version.

BUUUT i don't think it's a good entry.

Start with 6 or 7. That will show what it actually is about.

[Anonymous No.2248387]

>>2247590

Wait wait wait.

The world wasn't split by Galuf and his buddies to stop Exdeath. It was split a 1000 years or so to stop Enuo, the 12 sealed weapons were those of the heroes who stopped that cunt.

[Razz No.2248389]

>>2248370
Every remake has always used the original FF4 as its base. EZtype hasn't been translated into English and I'm not aware of any ROM dumps of it. Likewise, FF2US was never used as the basis of any of the remakes.

DS is an entirely different kettle of fish but you didn't ask about it so I won't go on about it.

[Anonymous No.2248390]

>>2248389

The GBA/psp version is enhanced, bro. Not only graphics but some bugs and shit. Also, retranslation and some extras post-game too.

[Anonymous No.2248391]

>>2248389
>>2248390

Also, the best version of FF6 is Advanced restored.

I didn't play the Android/iOS one but it looks atrocious. Plus, content-wise it's the same the GBA one. But you need to use a the Restored version because of graphics AND sound. (Dat soundtrack)

[Anonymous No.2248394]

>>2248382

It's not a fucking meme, you prick. The SNES version is trash that swapped all the customization and freedom of the first 3 games from a melodramatic boring story.

[Anonymous No.2248398]

>>2248394

This guy is right, snes version is shit. But the storyline is fine and it is actually the first one to HAVE a story. And lolz, what freedom from the first three? They are linear and short as hell.

FF3 (remake) might be good if you're into oldschool. Otherwise, FF4 is better.

BUT starting with 5 or 6 or even 7 if you want 3D and play the best one might better. X if you want modern.

XII is a different beast but it's good, especially if you liked Tactics and/or IX. And are better than VIII.

[Anonymous No.2248403]

>>2248398
FF2 had a story.

[Razz No.2248428]

>>2248390
Yes, but it's still based on the original FF4. Every remake adds content from that, that's universal save for DS.

[Anonymous No.2248431]

>>2248398
Being able to pick your character classes and what dungeon tackle first is much more freedom than spamming X command with X character for the whole game, FF4 is the worst of both world in one game, the only reediming qualities are the music and designs.

[Anonymous No.2248451]

Mario is shit! It's linear and you can't even customize your character!

[Anonymous No.2248475]

>>2248451

Totally the same thing m8

[Anonymous No.2248479]

>>2248431
>spamming X command with X character for the whole game,
Final Fantasy in anutshell

[Anonymous No.2248481]

Can we make a proposal to the mods that they make a sticky that has a few links to Strawpoool asking everybodies favorite to game series so that we can stop having these threads?

[Anonymous No.2248501]

>>2248479
At least the others let me pretend I'm doing something with menus to choose what skills I get and have better sprites/models and animations.

[Anonymous No.2248507]

>>2248501

You could also sequence break in FF 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.2248541]

>>2248507
I was talking about FFI, FFIV is the only game that feels like one long corridor from a gameplay perspective.

[Anonymous No.2248610]

>>2246818
I think people should try the Advance remakes of IV and V. VI, I've heard a lot of bad things about, so I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.2248994]

>>2247465
Meanwhile in other FFs:

Xande: I'm butthurt about getting the gift of mortality instead of becoming an ubermage or getting control over dream world. I'll summon this Cloud of Darkness thingy to fuck the world!
Zemus: I have absolutely no reason to try to conquer the "blue planet" by force but I'll do it anyway!
Kefka: I want to destroy the world for no apparent reason so I'm the best villain evar!
Sephiroth: I want to hurt the planet because my mommy told me to.
Ultimecia: I better start fucking around with the time/space continuum to get these SeeDs of my back!
Kuja: Oh noes, I might not live forever, no one else deserves to live either!

Yea, Exdeath is a shit.

[Anonymous No.2249012]

For me I like
VII and XIV.

The ones I didn't have much with are
III, VIII and XI until much later for both VIII and XI
III just felt really really slow.

[Anonymous No.2249283]

>>2247606
>Villains don't have to be misunderstood or have complex motivations to be interesting

Agreed, honestly I hate it when people try to go to such great lengths to try and rationalize a villain. I don't know if they're doing it so they can make the game seem deeper, or if they just won't admit the fact that they like a guy who's not nice but it's really annoying, especially in the case if your more bishie long haired swordsman villains. Not that Im gonna name any names

[Anonymous No.2249285]

Best heroine

[Anonymous No.2249867]

didn't see a fft thread, so might as well post it here

why do the mediators use guns but can't use books? it doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.2249885]

>>2248378
>worst
only in the sense it's the least good
you make it sounds like it sucked

[Anonymous No.2249914]

>>2249283
whats wrong with having a villain with actual motivation besides evil for the sake of evil? i agree that much angst won't make me pity the antagonist, but i enjoy a story more if the people there have personalities, even the villains.
than again, final bosses like Lavos (chrono trigger) are fine too.

[Anonymous No.2249936]

>stories and character

up until 6 they were trying and coming up with new ideas. after that everything is a rehash

>Which game would be best for someone who have yet to play an FF game?

9

[Anonymous No.2249941]

>>2246804
this guy knows

[Anonymous No.2250015]

>>2249936
I don't think 9 is a good starting point, for one you'd miss ALL the references to the other games and given that FFIX is an attempt to combine the best of older and modern FFs you'd probably not be able to appreciate it as much as you'd do after playing some of the other FF games before it.

[Anonymous No.2250027]

>>2250015
the only one I had played before it was 8 with which it has almost nothing in common

9 is like the distilled essence of final fantasy games (at least ones that don't have weird sci-fi settings) and it would give you lots of different paths to branch out on:

i liked customizing the characters and battling -> play 5 or 3 next

i liked the story -> play 6 or 7 next

i liked the cutscenes and environments -> play 10 or 8 next

i liked the setting -> play 12 or 4 next

etc.

[Anonymous No.2250135]

>>2249914
>whats wrong with having a villain with actual motivation besides evil for the sake of evil? i

Nothing. When done well. the problem is that more often than not they tag on some sob story and it's supposed to be like it's all forgiven.

>, but i enjoy a story more if the people there have personalities, even the villains.

You can have a personality and still be evil for the sake of evil. Kefka oozed personality.

[Anonymous No.2250286]

>>2246804
Yes, thank you mister.

[Anonymous No.2250324]

>>2246804
Whats wring with IV?

[Anonymous No.2250343]

>>2247590
The trees of the great forest of Moore were sentient.
I wonder, was it the tree itself who spoke when Neo Exdeath has emerged ? Saying it wanted to disappear too.
Where was the personality of the original tree all this time ?

[Anonymous No.2250348]

>>2250324
My theory is that it has become cool to hate FFIV because it's a well known and respected game that isn't objectively that good when judged by modern day standards. IF my theory is correct I like how these exact same people go about telling how FFVII was hugely influencial game to the JRPG genre when that's also true for FFIV as everyone who played it back in early 90s knows.

[Anonymous No.2250349]

>>2248380
The niggers of moore used a tree as a dumping place for demons until it became sentient.

That's why neo exdeath looks like a amalgamation of demons

[Anonymous No.2250373]

>>2250349
That's pretty cool, is that based in jap mythology?

[Anonymous No.2250390]

>>2250373
I'm not sure.
By the way, the totema exodus on FFTA and FFXII is based on exdeath.
As a matter of fact almost all totemas are based on FF villains

[Anonymous No.2251360]

>>2250135
>the problem is that more often than not they tag on some sob story
as i said, over angst is bad even with me as well

>kefka
not really. he wasn't a person villain, he was a force of nature villain; he was a madmen. a cool one, sure, but still a madmen.

>>2250324
nothing, the others are just better.

[Anonymous No.2251467]

>>2248541
You could sequence break 4 actually.

[Anonymous No.2251490]

>>2251467

how?

[Anonymous No.2251531]

Exodeath
Exodesu
Exodus

FF-

[Anonymous No.2251956]

>>2251490
http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?FinalFantasy4_LargeSkips_Resets_SS_20358
skip to around 110 minutes in

[Anonymous No.2253239]

Ugh so now the bandwagon thing is to say that FF4 is the worst one? Fuck that, FF4 is great even if it has had 747593 remakes.

[Anonymous No.2253270]

Personal Ranking goes:

VI>V>VII>IV>IX>I>VIII>III>II

However if you want to get into the series, I'd recommend starting with 4 or 7.

As for plot and characters, FF has always had a problem coming up with original plot ideas, most of the games follow the same formula of "A band of young heroes must stop an evil empire before said empire unleashes an even more dangerous power!" Its Star Wars if at the end Palpatine awakens an evil Force god and Luke must defeat it. I think the series really stands out with characters though, characters and their subplots, as well as lore. The three best games in the series, V, VI and VII were all saved because they had strong moments and characters that made the game enjoyable, whereas a game like VIII only had two interesting characters, or IX dropped or rushed the development for some of those characters.

[Anonymous No.2253371]

>>2248994
>I want to hurt the planet because my mommy told mt to.

This is so incorrect it's laughable. He explicitly says that when the planet is hurt, that the Lifestream will rush to the wound to heal it. His plan was to have Meteor hit the planet to cause a wound, then to absorb the Lifestream when it came to heal the planet so he could become a god.

[Anonymous No.2253374]

>>2249867
because comedic value

[Anonymous No.2254019]

>>2246804
>VI
>the best
I disagree but I respect your opinion regardless.

[THE GREAT LEON !!1lTeau7nbNO No.2254067]

9 > 7 = 6 > 4 > 8 > 5 > 3

[Anonymous No.2254081]

FFIX is my favorite by quite a bit. To me it combines all the things I loved about the older games combined with what I enjoyed about the 32bit era ones. I really like most of the characters and appreciate that it's ultimately kind of a comedy.

The rest is an unusual order.

II: Start of the SaGa system, really interesting open world and leveling systems

VI: Mostly for the story and characters

V: Dem jobs!

III: Almost as good as V

VIII: Stupid characters, stupid story, great gameplay systems and very interesting to play.

VII: Fascinating and I loved it when I played it. Not very interesting from a systems point of view.

I: Decent but a little too simple, a little too unbalanced and too focused on griding.

IV: The only one in the series I really never liked. Bland story and characters and very bland gameplay with few options.

[Anonymous No.2254236]

>>2253239
/vr/ has had a weird fluctuation when it comes to FF hate. When /vr/ started everyone loved FF and very little was argued. Then people started shitting on VII and saying VI was the best, then after that people started shitting on VI and said VII was the best. Then people said both games were shit in comparison to V and IX, and for a little bit people began claiming IV was the best game, then it went back to VI and VII fans shitting on each other, and now people are saying that IV is the worst.

I imagine at some point people will begin saying II was the best just to get someone else mad, these threads are some of the closest threads /vr/ gets to be /v/, which is very disappointing.

[Anonymous No.2254665]

Since this seems to be the main FF thread atm.

Which version of Final Fantasy III should I play? It's one of the few I haven't touched and I want to know which version you guys consider to be the best.

[Anonymous No.2254926]

>>2254665
I like the NES version the best, but the PSP remake has the most content.

[Anonymous No.2254950]

>>2254665
The Famicom original. The 3d remake is awfully disappointing in how unappealing it is. The graphics are bad, the characters are boring, the content is rebalanced for the worse. It isn't terrible, but the only thing that I really remember having a blast with was making my main character a red mage and killing the boss with him dual wielding the legendary swords. It is very much a mobile game. You could have fun playing it on a phone or something, but you wouldn't want to sit down at home and play it.

The original at least has old school charm, and some of the jobs that suck in the remake (that is, mages) are actually useful because enemies come in bigger packs than 2.

[Anonymous No.2254960]

>>2254665
they are entirely different games, you'll appreciate the remake a lot more if you play the nes first

[Anonymous No.2254972]

>>2254236

The 'IX IS DA BEST NO MATTER WUT' fags are /v/tards that don't belong here.

I like 9, but to say it's objectively the best is just typical /v/irgin contrarian behavior.

[Anonymous No.2255128]

>>2254972
How many buzzwords can you use in a single post?

[Anonymous No.2255647]

>>2251360
>he wasn't a person villain, he was a force of nature villain
I haven't seen anyone be this fucking wrong on this board in a while. I honestly don't even know where to begin.

Kefka isn't a force of nature, at least not until the end(which happens to almost every FF villain), he is a man. Not a Lunarian, not a demon-infused tree, and not a genetically enhanced angel of death. He is a human who underwent experimentation to be able to use magic, until he becomes god, he is very much a mortal man. Fuck, he even uses a mace the first two times you fight him, until the scene at Thamasa he is the biggest fucking joke in terms of power. He grows stronger with you, the only villain in the series to do so, saying he was a "force of nature" is retarded, he was an autist who just played his cards right. Which is way more interesting and fun to see then some legendary god of destruction prophesied to destroy the world, or a super soldier famed for being the most powerful thing on the planet.

[Anonymous No.2255654]

>>2255647
Kefka is a force-of-nature villain because he doesn't have a motivation, a backstory, not much of a PERSONality. He is an irrational madman who just appears and fucks shit up because reasons. But he is not a person villain because he doesn't get you personally involved with his backstory (of which he has none beyond "he was infused with the magics and went mad") and doesn't form any relationships with the party except I guess Celes. Even X-Death the "joke villain" had a charged, bitter rivalry with Galuf and Guido. Kefka taunts your party once at the very end of the game; before that he stays in the background and methodically ruins everything. It's not a particularly bad approach to making a villain, mind you, he was certainly an effective and memorable one.

Also hey, Garland grows in power with your party. When you encounter him for the first time, he's a mortal swordsman who can barely keep up with your Fighter. At the end of the game he runs the entire FF multiverse.

[Anonymous No.2255703]

>>2246818

I agree with this one the most. BUT, if you want to experience the series the way that those of us did growing up, here's how I did.

Got ff1 for Xmas when I was like 4. So, 1989sh. 4 y/o playing ff1...yeah right. Played that shit on and off for like 10 years, never got farther than the dwarves cave. Beat it on emu for the first time last year with savestates galore.

FF2 comes out in like 1992. Rented it. Was way cooler. Beat that for the first time on emulator in 2004.

Ff3 comes out 1994(?)and completely turns the RPG world upside down. Rented several times. Beat on emulator in 2006. Currently playing that hard version hack.

Ff7 comes out. Never had a ps1, but people loved it, but a lot of these fools never played ff3, so they're all fucking casuals compared to us original ff people.

8 comes out, same.

Then 9.

The 10. Had a ps2. Played it, nothing like the ff I remembered but I still enjoyed it despite its Disney-esque feel. Awesome setting and music.

Emu'd 5 around 2005. Thought it was neat.

Let's not even speak of ff11.

Borrowed ff12 from a friend, played it for a few weeks, kind of liked it, but not enough to finish.

Tried Jpn 2+3 on emu, yawn.

My rec is to play them in order of american release on emu, when you get bored, move on.

[Anonymous No.2255870]

it doesnt matter whatsoever what order you play them in.if youre a competionist there is a best order starting with #1, otherwise you can pick up ad play without any real worrry. startig on 7,6,10,etc,and eventually playing a few others will result i tons of jrpg fun whether you want it or not.

[Anonymous No.2256332]

>>2255654
>not much of a PERSONality
The character is oozing personality. He may not have an in-depth backstory or motive, but he is till fun to watch whenever he is one screen. You know something is about to happen because this guy, who one minute is asking a soldier to polish his shoes in the middle of a desert and the next burning down a castle, is going to do something crazy. He cracks jokes, acts like an asshole, he wouldn't be so well-loved and memorable if his personality wasn't so grabbing. If he didn't have personality he'd act like "Hello, I am the villain, here to take over and or destroy the world. You can not fight me yet, but I will destroy you at some point. Farewell."

>doesn't form any relationships with the party
He sets fire to Figaro and forces Edgar to flee
He poisons all of Doma
He attaches a hypno crown and forces Terra to murder 20 people(then assault Narshe)
He attacks Thamasa and steals the Espers there
His rise to power destroys Setzer's airship

He forms tons of relationships, almost every character in the game has a legitimate reason by the end to want him dead. He does something evil to every one of them, and they all hate him for it.

>Even X-Death the "joke villain" had a charged, bitter rivalry with Galuf and Guido
Yeah, because when he and Ghido said three lines to each other, Ghido made that TMNT joke and then they "fought," you could really feel the age-old rivalry there.

>before that he stays in the background
Did you even play the fucking game? He is in a ton of major scenes, you fight him three fucking times before he destroys the world. He is as far away from the background as possible.

>Garland grows in power with your party
Barely, you fight him once, he dies, and then he becomes the Anti-Christ and goes back into the past. The next time you see him, at the end of the game, he's Chaos, a god. Kefka actually does have a feeling of growth attached to him.

[Razz No.2256385]

>>2255654
>he runs the entire FF multiverse

That would be Shinryu, and neither one of them control the Void.

[Anonymous No.2256430]

>>2246798
In terms of story and characters, 6=7 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 3 > 1 > 8

In terms of which to play, play whatever. They are all entry level games that require no prior RPG experience.

[Anonymous No.2256438]

>>2255128

You need to be 18 or older to browse this site.

[Anonymous No.2256515]

>>2256430
>7 at the top of the list
>8 at the bottom
I disagree with your opinion, because I felt that 7 had a lot of flaws in the story, such as Sephiroth being more than a flashback character since the player was left to infer that it was actually Jenova they were fighting the entire game since Sephiroth was dead. Too bad the 7 story got worse and worse with each addition and retcon.

[Anonymous No.2256529]

>>2256515
Sephiroth's "death" in the flashback is shown after Sephiroth is already introduced encased in Materia. Its pretty clear that he got stuck in the lifestream and it kept him alive. He is using his will to control the clones and pieces of Jenova. This isn't high art here, but its explained well enough through the not so well translated script.

[Anonymous No.2256538]

>>2256529
>gets cut in half
>body frozen in crystal
>has links to Jenova through cells and whatnot
>suddenly has all of Jenova's motivations and abilities, although still stuck in crystal
>implying Sephiroth controls Jenova and not the opposite

[Anonymous No.2256549]

>>2256538
Its ambiguous, it could work either way. But the official line is that Seph is controlling Jenova. After all, she's just a torso in a jar when he finds her. As for the "compilation", no argument, it is all truly awful. Fortunately, it is all pretty old and can safely be forgotten.

On the subject of 8, if I didn't know better, I would think it was a marvelous parody of 2deep4u anime of its time. Every single plot twist and story element is shockingly dumb. But no, it is 100% serious. It isn't a horrible game, though. I have a soft spot for games with complicated systems that can be broken and abused.

[Anonymous No.2256796]

>>2251531
Thats wrong. Its ekusudesu, not ekusodasu

[Anonymous No.2256818]

>>2256538
Sephiroth = JENOVA by the time the game starts. It's pointless to try and say who is controlling who since they merged into the same being when Sephiroth fell into the Lifestream.

[Anonymous No.2256930]

>>2256385
I've always wondered, is the a cannon force outside FFV? Exdeath talks about it in Dissidia, but its never revealed whether it is a force connected to the FFV universe, or if it exists in between the Worlds.

[Anonymous No.2257581]

>>2247590
I liked Exdeath up until the Merged World because up until that point he was a ruthlessly efficient and competent villain.

Then when he has Bartz, Faris, and Krile cornered and can easily finish them off he just ups and leaves and lets some Void denizen deal with them. That's just such basic bad villaining it killed most of my enthusiasm for him.

[Anonymous No.2257589]

Reminder that if you don't ship Bartz and Faris then you are a plebian on the grandest scale

[Anonymous No.2257602]

>>2257581
He's a cartoon villain from the start. His lieutenant is the completely worthless Gilgamesh, if that didn't clue you in.

[Anonymous No.2257638]

>>2257602

He's a cartoon villain who managed to fuck everyone sideways

[Anonymous No.2257976]

>>2257589
How cares, Bart is a chocosexual anyway.

[Anonymous No.2259331]

>>2257602
I think that was a huge part of what made him for me. He was both imposing, ruthless and actually did something truly evil before the endgame that really formed a hatred for him. He was scary and you knew he would stop at nothing to achieve his goals.

At the same time though, he'd do the goofy MWA-HA-HA villain laugh, treat Gilgamesh like Megatron treated Starscream, and never shut up about his goal. So he also had very fun elements about him that made it even more of a treat to see him, no matter the context of the scene.

[Anonymous No.2259347]

>>2248403
It was pretty much Firion's team getting told to go to one place then to another.

Along with the unlucky 4th guy always dying.

[Anonymous No.2259673]

>>2248431
>Being able to pick your character classes and what dungeon tackle first is much more freedom than spamming X command with X character for the whole game

Thats basically the whole series. Even 12 which does it for ya.

also FF2 didn't allow freedom either. You had to choose what you wanted to do and stick with it in the worst way possible.

[Anonymous No.2259715]

>>2246804
>IX
>better than anything except XIII

+music
+well designed cities

-loading... loading... loading...
-promising story that turns into shit
-shit characters except Vivi and maybe Steiner
-battles are slow and boring
-shit gameplay, tries nothing interesting as new FF games do
-getting skills from equips makes you have to keep using outdated equipment when better stuff is available
-trance is the definition of useless
-final boss

[Razz No.2259730]

>>2256930
Each realm of Final Fantasy coexist simultaneously, each within its own dimension - as such there are a few common factors between realms, like certain enemies and espers and such.

The Interdimensional Rift is the hub between those worlds - it's accessible from all realms and contains the known FF dimensions.

The Void is where all dead realms reside in eternal nothingness. Normally it is not accessible from anywhere, but certain Interdimensional beings are known to be able to control portals to the Void, such as Exdeath and Shinryu.

The Void is also home now to Gilgamesh, his form now always shifting, who falls through portals into other FF dimensions by means that have not been disclosed. As such, some developers at SquareEnix are trying to imply that all Gilgameshes are actually the same one. I personally believe that, but I also don't believe that his appearances in bonus dungeons from remakes of early FF games to be canon appearances, though his biography in Dissidia seems to imply they are.

Of course all of this knowledge comes from Dissidia and directly negates the "FF7 and FFX are the same planet or at least in the same dimension" theory.

[Anonymous No.2259860]

>>2246798

Best place to start is either VI or IX. Both have a heavy focus on characters, both have solid stories, and both are piss easy, meaning you won't get frustrated and quit because of archaic design.

After playing those I'd suggest V and VII. More customization options for gameplay, and both are backed up with decent stories.

After that, you'll either love the series and play the rest of the games, or know that you hate it and can safely skip them.

Also, feel free to ignore I, II, and III entirely. They are merely prototypes for the far superior games that were to follow.

[Anonymous No.2261113]

>>2259715
You forgot the gravest sin of all. The game activly discourages you from exploring by drastically limiting the places you can visit on the world map at any one time for most of the game, and giving you crippled or shit party members that make you want to wait for a good party before you explore. When you finally get that good party the game is pretty much over and most locations are sealed.

[Anonymous No.2262505]

>>2259860
>ignoring FFI
Nigga, what? Final Fantasy is a classic, ignoring it and playing the sequels is retarded. Especially because unlike II or III, it still holds up amazingly today.

[Anonymous No.2262508]

>>2262505
FF1 is broken, not particularly good, and its reputation coasts entirely on nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.2262582]

Not explicitly /vr/ but...

What about X? I have heard mixed reviews on it.
I personally thought it was great, but then again it was babby's first Final Fantasy.

I loved the concept of Al Behd and the button press overdrives. I sort of liked the sphere system at first, but then felt it limited my abilities to customize my character.

What I didn't like was the railroading and lack of endgame. I didn't feel as if I was increasing in power, just going for a long walk.

Also fuck that Seymore faggot. That man can go suck cocks with his half cousin Sephiroth.

[Anonymous No.2262649]

>>2262505
Maybe the original NES version(which compared to II and III still isn't even that bad), but the remakes are solid. Saying FFI is broken implies its unplayable, which none of the versions are.