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Previous Thread: >>2213351

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

Some tips to bring the threads back to their former glory
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.)
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike!
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Thread Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PhdXJYwA8xModrTV1Yt-i1tvNgwiagpeBx0m_xNIVtc/viewform?edit_requested=true&fbzx=9009823977812318933

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First for vector displays.

>> No.2245908
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Olympus-Sony-Trinitron-PVM-OEV203-Medical-Grade-CRT-Color-Video-Monitor-20-/201292044813

20" PVM, for $100 buy it now, and decent shipping price. Also a make offer option, so low ball em.

>> No.2245926

>>2245908
And I had posted that NEC monitor on the last thread, check this completed listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-NEC-MultiSync-XM29-monitor-Big-29-CRT-Great-For-Video-Games-/321664095739?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae4ac95fb

HOLY SHIT

>> No.2245940

>>2245908
Depending on where that's at, I could technically go and check that out in person.

>>2245926
It's insane. You could buy a literal wall of PVM/BVMs for that price.

>> No.2245942

>>2245926
I'd rather save for a low hour PVM/BVM. Surprised it brought that with the condition of the outside.

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>>2245940
No shit, I think people just get a hard on for the 480p support. Just use a computer crt monitor. I saw a 22" one at Savers the other day for $6.

>> No.2245993

>>2245946
There are BVM-D series monitors on ebay with BiNs hundreds of dollars cheaper, even with shipping included; Even have Best Offer options
Admittedly, the two 32'' models look to be in need of some work, but the 24''s look fine.
The only benefit you'd get from the NEC is screen size for 4:3 content, shadowmask based if that'd what you're interested in, and ease of use in connecting it to a PC. I don't think the NEC would accept component, so there's that too.

>> No.2246006

>>2245993
If you're into PC Engine stuff it would be neat to have a NEC TV to go with it.

There's some really hardcore NEC collectors in America with a lot of money.

>> No.2246019

>>2246006
NEC made THE best and highest end monitors for a long time. You would have to have a lot of money to collect that stuff.

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Here, have some Threads of Fate. Taken from my BVM.

>> No.2246172

Is there any way to run GCN games on a NTSC Wii with region changed to PAL (It needs to be PAL to make it output RGB)

I always get a black & white picture, even with PAL60 capable games.

Note that this only happens with GCN games, Wii games run perfectly on PAL60

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Alright to post XRGB stuff here? The Framemeister thread got nuke by the emulation crowd.

>> No.2246243

>>2246172
Having trouble with this myself. It might be game-dependent? I can get Windwaker NTSC to run over RGB on my PAL Wii, but Wave Race just changes what the system is outputting and gives no signal at all with RGB settings enabled.

>> No.2246306

>>2245908
On the watchlist with two other /vr/ bros I assume.

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I picked up this TV today mainly because I liked how it looked...But I'm wondering if it's possible to mod it to get composite/s-video/component support. The RF connector is on a thing that screws off...I'll post a picture of that next.

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>>2246732

There's that...

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>>2246221
Nah holmes, this thread is just for CRTs.

>> No.2246746

>>2246735

You'd have to see what it looks like inside. If there's a self-contained demodulator unit mounted there you can probably find out what signal the PCB is actually receiving.

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>>2246737
No thread for xrgb stuff though. Only like 2-3 people on /vr/ actually own one.

I wish my camera took better pictures with the room dark.

>> No.2246763

>>2246221
I wouldn't be opposed to some CRT to Upscaler comparison photos, with specifics given for the setup, but as >>2246737 said, it is the |CRT| Thread.

>>2246737
I need to replay FF7 sometime; Actually use Yuffie during the game rather than pick her up later on and just have her hang around.
Chocobo Breeding will be fun.

>> No.2246779

>>2246746

I don't have the time to take it apart right now...And I don't know anything about any of that, anyway. Is there some kind of a guide online or anything like that?

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>>2246779
I would say it's not worth it, there's no easy way to mod a coax-only tv to accept the signals you're looking for and you can get much newer and higher quality CRTs for pittances nowadays.

>>2246763
This is my first real playthrough. It's kinda neat, I always thought there was a big stupid love triangle between Aeris and Tifa, but if you pick the Yuffie route then it seems like Aeris and Tifa get over Cloud quickly and run around together as besties.

My game keeps crashing during the 3D universe model cutscene though, I think I have to replace my Disc.

>> No.2246945

>>2246006
even better would be a pcfx to go with your monitor

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>>2245625
I can second that Tekyard does an amazing job packing CRT's. The PVM-20M2MDU I got from them came in a tank of a package with .

>the CRT only weighs 65 lbs
>the package weighed 95 lbs
>mfw seeing a package that had a foot and a half of cardboard and bubble wrap on every side between me and the CRT

>>2246737
Damn, look at that desk sag.

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>> No.2247023

>>2246732
>>2246735

Don't mod it. No need to deface a nice vintage CRT in such a manner. Just get a good rf adapter and some older systems like an NES or SMS and enjoy.

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>>2246806
I know how you feel. I was stuck at the card tournament in FFIX for a couple of weeks thanks to a string of bad discs crashing and not being able to get a working copy to save my life.

>> No.2247040

>>2246954
http://www.tekyard.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=875&searchText=sony

Oh hey, they've got stuff newer than 1943MDs. They've even got some G520s in there.

If I wasn't broke as fuck I'd make a few hour drive to their warehouse and do some shopping.

>> No.2247047

>>2247040
A search for "PVM" brings up one hell of a long list, and the three G520s that come up in the search appear to have been listed in 2011, so it'd probably be a good idea to call ahead anyway.

>>2246954
Bubble wrap for days.

>> No.2247049

>>2247047
Not to mention some panasonic stuff as well.

A lot of it was listed a long time ago there, but then again there isn't exactly a huge demand for surplus CRT monitors outside of us crazy video game folk.

I might give them a call next week.

>> No.2247196

>>2247049
>>2247047
>>2247040
Glad to have sparked this off :) I found the site and hadn't seen it listed on here before, but I've only been around about a year. Hope you guys do well out of it.

Do me a solid, I'm looking for the operating and service manuals for the PVM-1943MD. I picked up the non-US version of the same set, the PVM-2043MD. They're both covered by the same literature, and if anyone can find it i'd love copies.

>> No.2247353

>>2246954
How much can I expect to pay for a display from Tekyard?

>> No.2247380

how to into perfect geometry on sony trinitron TVs? it seems like anything outside the center of the box is doomed to be warped. i feel like i missing a lot of options too, like horizontal equivalents for VBOW, VLIN, etc

>> No.2247689

>>2247380
Hate to say it, but that's just the nature of large consumer crts, especially the 'flat' models. You just have to get it as good as you can and settle.

To my knowlege - most horizontal issues are due to a loose/sagging deflection yoke.

>> No.2247694

>>2247380
>>2247689
And I also agree it's retarded that horizontal adjustments are missing. I've got a 32" Wega that's got a pretty bad hump but I don't have enough skill to start fucking with the yoke.

>> No.2247882

Stupid question... but I don't suppose there's a way to add a CRT filter to a random game, is there? Not an emulator and stuff like that.

>> No.2247889

>>2247882
What do you mean?

>> No.2247914

>>2247889
Like, I have a game I want to play. It's not on an emulator. just play the EXE and it plays. I don't suppose I can somehow apply a CRT filter to that game, can I?

>> No.2247917

>>2247914
sweet fx does just that I think.

>> No.2248030

>>2247917
ill have to check that out then, thanks

>> No.2248070

Okay, I bought a BVM today, it's a 2016P model.

I saw that it has a composite board installed on the back, and I was wondering if I can use that to connect a PS2. Anyone knows if that would be possible, I don't have a composite cable yet to test it.

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>>2247353
They had a BiN with multiples of the monitor listed for $100; An anon tipped me off that he low balled them and they accepted, so I offered $50 and they went for it.
Shipping NC to Pittsburgh was $40. I'd expect it to go up the further it has to travel, of course.
This is obviously just anecdotal, so your mileage may vary.

>>2248070
Photos are nice for these types of things.

When you say composite board, do you mean something like on the left of this image? If so, all you need is a RCA to BNC adapter and you're set.

>> No.2248107

Is this a good deal?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-FD-Trinitron-KV-27FS13-27-Television-Sony-TV-Stand-/331476510119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2d8a25a7
What are the chances of getting stabbed when I go pick it up?

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>>2248090
The slot on the right

>> No.2248156

>>2248110
That is for SDI; A digital video signal that you're not going to get out of a video game system.

Composite (Yellow RCA) would go into the Video A or Video B inputs. The center board could take Component (YPbPr, Red Green and Blue RCA) and would be the higher quality signal.

It could just be the lighting, but the connectors on everything except for the SDI look really odd; Like they're missing that little insulator bit or something.

>>2248107
I have it's big brother, the 32FS13 and it's a nice set; Component looks great on it and even RF wasn't that bad.
This is just the jew in me, but I'd try shooting him an offer for $15; $25 for it and the stand wouldn't be bad in my mind. Be sure to take along something to test it out of course.

>What are the chances of getting stabbed when I go pick it up?
If you do, just file a complaint with paypal.

>> No.2248159

>>2248156
Thanks

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>>2248156
>Composite (Yellow RCA) would go into the Video A or Video B inputs
To clarify, the ones on the left. The board labeled "Component Digital" is the SDI board.

>>2248107
Sonic 3 through RF.

>> No.2248165

>>2248162
That looks good. I think.

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>>2248165
For RF, it's definitely not bad. You could do much much worse for RF.

This is Component on the same set.

>> No.2248181

>>2248170
What difference does the 32FS13 make?

>> No.2248186

>>2248181
32'' tube versus 27''; Everything else is the same. I actually have the manual for it somewhere around here too.

>> No.2248193

>>2248186
Thanks for the help.

>> No.2248292

>>2248159
If you do wind up plugging anything in, those extra terminators on the back might make a difference. Those are the plug cap things already on the ports at the back. It doesn't look like there are any on the composite ports right now, but component is a better bet, and if you use it you might want to terminate the ouput sides of each connector. See if the image is too bright or not, and go with what looks best.

>> No.2248296

>>2248292
I'll make sure to do that.

>> No.2248384

>>2247049
Please keep us posted about what they say.

>> No.2248687

I'm trying to remove the anti reflective coating of my Dell Trinitron.

I popped off the bezel, but for some reason I can't find where the anti-reflective coating starts so I can peel it off.

Is it possible that the Dell Trinitrons don't have the same peelable coatings that the their Sony counterparts do?

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>> No.2248907

I had an issue start with my Dell Trinitron yesterday. The screen suddenly became very blurry, and stayed that way until I unplugged the VGA cable from my laptop and turned the monitor off and on. Just disconnecting the VGA didn't fix it, or powercycling, I had to do both.

After that the blurriness went away and the monitor regained its usual sharp focus, but it happened again just now and I had to do the same thing to fix it. Do I have a bad capacitor or something?

I typically leave the monitor powered on at all times, with a black screensaver set to come up after 15 mins.

>> No.2248935

I have a weird issue with my Sony Trinitron. Essentially, anything with a 50htz refresh rate has a noticeable flicker effect that gives me a huge headache and makes me want to vomit.

I normally use it for my PS2, and just download USA ISOs to avoid 50htz on PAL games that don't have a 60htz option, but playing something like a SNES or N64 is out of the question because of it (as I don't own anything to bypass region locks for them).

Am I overly sensitive to the flicker or is this a common issue with 50htz?

>> No.2248942

>>2248907
Unusual that the powercycling alone didn't fix it, unless it's something to do with the DDC and the EDID eeprom being powered by the 5V line from the VGA cable... but i would have thought that was unlikely to change the gun focus to anything like that.

Could be capacitor or transistor related i guess, but i really don't know. Try powercycling for longer as well. Hopefully some other anon can actually help. I'm curious to know more about what's causing it myself.

>> No.2248995

>>2248907
Whats the point of keeping it on 24/7? Waste of electricity.

>> No.2249051

>>2248907
>>2248995
More than a waste of electricity, you're still putting hours on the tube. Don't do that. Turn the thing off for fuck's sake.

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Hey guys, I have a Memorex CRT i got from my grandma. There was a loud pop and the cable stopped working, so now its my personal retro gaming TV! The AV inputs work fine. It's a flatscreen which kinda neat as my NES Zapper works perfectly with it. Thoughts on quality?

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>>2249075
It even has a headphone jack, which, unfortunately is a bit janky and has a lot of trouble with multiple audio channels making it useless. Darn!

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>>2249080
Anyway I have a really big question about it, and I figure this is the best place to put it. Now I have a lot of consoles using this TV- every Nintendo console from NES to Wii as well as a PS1. Now the thing is, this TV has 3 AV inputs. One on the side, and 2 on the back. The thing is, I've only gotten the first 2 to work. The one on the side is labeled "VIDEO1" and the corresponding A/V Input channel on the TV works with it. I use it for most consoles cause its the most accessible by switching plugs. Pictured is my Wii's AV inputs, put into whats labeled "VIDEO2". It also works just fine. The problem is, the third one directly above it. It is unlabeled, and as far as I know theres no corresponding channel to accompany it. The only other channels are "SVHS" and "1 Mono". Does anyone have any idea how I can get some use out of this third input?

>> No.2249087

whats the best way to clean a crt screen?

>> No.2249093

>>2249086
It's an output.

>> No.2249101

>>2249086
>>2249093
Most definitely. Not only from the "O" visible in the photo, but that seems to be the same exact set I have sitting in my office.
Possible word of warning; It seemingly died from sitting unused for several months. Whether this was a fluke or not, I cannot say.

Suppose I should thank it for dying; The LCD I got to replace it is what eventually sent me on my way to get interested in CRTs.
If I remember correctly, the headphone jack on mine didn't seem to work right either.

>> No.2249114

>>2249086
>>2249101
Also; Would you mind telling me where the power cable on the thing goes in? It doesn't seem to be connected on mine anymore and I'm trying to figure out where it had been.
Reverse of the face plate near the bottom; Opposite side of the "Video 1" input?

>> No.2249115

>>2249086
Time to get s-video cables dog. If you NTSC then SNES, N64, and GCN can use the same cable. Use a WiiU s-video cable for your Wii, it's compatible, cheaper, and easier to find nowadays.

>> No.2249126

>>2249115
Listen to this anon, S-Video will be a nice jump up in picture quality.

>> No.2249139

>>2249114
On the bottom left corner, next to the barcode, I believe.
>>2249115
Thanks, didn't know Wii U had one. Unfortunately for my SNES/N64 cable, the input that I use on the side doesn't have S-Video for some odd reason, only this back one.

>> No.2249147

Is there are legitimate risk of a CRT with scratches on it spontaneously exploding.

>> No.2249152

>>2249139
I seriously don't remember removing the power cable from it; This is weird.

Just looking in there now, I found a blown fuse; I have a feeling that's all that had went wrong, but without a way to power it, I'll never know.

>> No.2249160

>>2249147
?

>> No.2249187

>>2249147
>exploding
Imploding.
A small surface scratch isn't anything to worry about.
If it has a sizable chip out of it, however, it isn't impossible for something like that to happen, and even then it would probably take a decently hard knock to the glass itself to actually cause it. Just about all CRTs made in the past decades will have some sort of "implosion protection".
Trinitrons, for example, have an extra layer of laminated glass glued onto the front of the already thick tube. Even if the tube itself went, you essentially have a windshield there to protect you from shit blowing back.

>> No.2249201

>>2249187
Ok, I put a few scratches in the area behind the bezel with a box cutter trying to get the anti-glare coating off and I guess I was just being paranoid.

>> No.2249210

>>2249147
This actually terrified me as a kid because i heard they could implode but i didnt know what that meant,anyway ive seen videos of crts getting smashed in with a hammer and nothing really happens.

>> No.2249213

>>2249201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAhQP9nzlv8

The screens can withstand several shots from a .22.

Also watching this on a Dell Trinitron feels weird, like how would the monitor feel displaying it's kin being murdered?

>> No.2249217

>>2249213
lol I'm
>>2248687

I'm also using a Dell Triniton.

>> No.2249225

>>2249201
So long as it wasn't anything stupidly deep, you should be fine.

>>2249087
For the glass?

I personally use a microfiber cloth for normal dust removal. In the off chance the screen gets smudged up or something on it, a bit of isopropyl alcohol and paper towels(lens cleaning cloth for the PVM) will clean it up. What this may do to anti glare coatings or what have you, I can't say, but I haven't seen any adverse effects.

>>2249213
>>2249217
>tfw no Trinitron Dell or Trinitron PC Monitor in general
My non-aperture grille Dell probably wouldn't be happy about it either.

>> No.2249249

>>2249210
Depends where you hit them. Knock the yoke-end off and you just get a hiss. If you hit the front with enough force you might be in trouble.

That anon with the box-cutter scratch has nothing to worry about though.

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>>2249225
>no Trinitron Dell or Trinitron PC Monitor

Oh Kya, you don't know what you're missing.

>> No.2249267

>>2249252
It's not out of a lack of wanting one. Or just a better PC CRT in general.
I've got nothing against my current little Dell, but it's definitely seen its better days and with 1152x854 being the best it can do at a reasonable (75hz) refresh, it's certainly not amazing.
Someone put one out in the trash a couple doors down some months ago, but by the time I got to it, it had been absolutely flooded and had the power cable removed.

A little search of craigslist shows a set of "Blueberry" Apple Trinitrons for $30ea/$50; supposedly capable of 1600x1200 @85hz. Sadly don't have the money for it or a way to pick them up up. Shame, thing look as really neat.
The troublesome HP FW900 is still up there as well; I think it's price may have went back up though($250).

>> No.2249268

>>2249267
>Shame, thing look as really neat.
Lack of sleep is getting to me; I'm don't have the slightest idea of how this sentence should have went.

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guise, is this a pvm ? it's listed as a tv but I don't think I ever saw a sony tv like this...

>> No.2249334

>>2249321
Seems likely to be one, yah. See if you can get the seller to post the model number and a photo of the back...

>> No.2249340

>>2249321
I don't think so, it'll be decent though

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I was given this TV from a neighbor who recently moved.

I know nothing about it really. There is some damage on the lower left side as can be seen in the image, but more importantly, the coaxial seems to have either been taken out, or pushed in, because it is not present.

Is it safe to open it up, to see if the jack is there?

1/2

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Sorry for the bad picture, the camera didn't want to focus properly.

>> No.2249398

>>2249382
some time ago a farly common practice here was to remove RF module to transform the tv into a monitor and thus avoiding TV tax, using a VCR for TV reception.

>> No.2249410

>>2249398
So if I wanted to use any of my game systems with an RF adapter, I would simply plug them into the coaxial jack of a VCR that is hooked up through the composite?

It sounds stupid, but I don't have composite cables for my Genesis right now, but I do have an old VCR, and I didn't even think about trying that.

>> No.2249427

>>2249410
I guess it would work, but quality will probably be extra awful

>> No.2249434

>>2249427
It will have to work for now.

I can't get my Sega's composite cables until the first, and I have an HDTV with a coaxial that i can run it through, but it already looks super extra awful on that.

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are crt's better for videos aswell?
this is just some ending from an anime ps1 fighting game and it looks really good

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So I soldered together a cable to connect my pc to my CRT tv and the image is a bit messed up. It seems to look good but it's like the image keeps scrolling upwards and just won't sit still. It's a bit difficult to explain but it makes it unusable. any tips?

>> No.2249708

>>2249694
Uh, you can't just hook up a PC to a CRT TV. The PC puts out as resolutions and refresh rates that the TV isn't equipped to handle. You'll need to either install some special drivers on your computer or get a box that converts the signal to something the TV can handle.

Also don't run the thing like that (incorrectly) for any extended period of time. It's not good for the guts.

>> No.2249718

>>2249708
I used CRU to get a reslolution of 320x240 though. I also turned it off so the tv is fine.

>> No.2249725

>>2249694
No VSync.
What kind of cable did you made and which GPU do you have?

>> No.2249726

>>2249718
>CRU
TVs are looking for refresh rates of 15 or 30hz. You might be trying to send it 240p, but it's probably going out at 60 or 75hz.

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>>2249678

25 FPS material displayed in 480i@60Hz or 50Hz is really smooth, and the usual CRT colors make videos nicer too.

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>>2249728
dirty pair eh, i tried it out but couldn't get too far in

>> No.2249748

>>2249736

Too bad, most of the people I have talked to and who've watched it found it great.

Anyway, is this game Asuka 120%?

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>>2249708
>>2249725
>>2249726
Fixed it, I just had to adjust some settings in my AMD drivers.

>> No.2250063

>>2249678
>>2249728
>>2249736

Yes, but I've had tons of troubles getting a decent 480i signal to my PVM. I can only seem to push a 'scaled' 240p signal from VGA/RGB, everything is set to 480i internally but it sends out a 240p signal. My card has an S video output that works fine in 480i, but I don't think it wants to push a PAL/50hz signal for whatever reason.

Also, I've found that old anime probably gets the least benefit from a studio CRT. Broadcast TV and the likes benefit from motion and contrast as well, and if you can get a component/RGB signal working it looks damn good.

Don't even think about using a wii, it sucks for video playback.

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>>2249694
What's your graphics card, what's exactly in the cable you made, and could you give a short little write up on what you did to get it working?

>>2250063
>Don't even think about using a wii, it sucks for video playback.
I dunno, I thought G Gundam looked pretty nice through it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/katkya/sets/72157648268951368/

>> No.2250172

>>2249748
yeah tis the only anime fighter ive enjoyed to date

>> No.2250224

>>2249708

>Uh, you can't just hook up a PC to a CRT TV.

Bullshit. I used to do that with an old PCI Radeon 7K back in the day. Just hooked it up directly to my TV's S-video port.

Get out of here with this nonsense.

>> No.2250257

>>2249708
You don't need anything special. Just use RandR to set up a video mode that resembles a TV signal.

>>2249726
TVs want 50 or 60 fields per second, with around 15,750 lines per second. 240p60 will work just fine with appropriate blanking intervals (263 lines total, 23 blanked).

>>2250063
A lot of cards have special TV outputs which scale and filter whatever signal is coming out the VGA port. Those usually give you a fixed (and accurate) 480i signal. That's why it's best to use a VGA->SCART cable or VGA->Component encoder; you can manually set up exactly the timings you want.

>>2249678
It depends on the content of the video. CRTs are good for video games because they display a raw, native resolution signal, very quickly and with low persistence. 24fps films, for example, aren't helped much by these qualities - a bigass IPS panel will work great for them. 60hz live-action video will look better on a CRT, because of the low persistence - a "LightBoost" LCD will compete, however.

>> No.2250281

Requesting pictures of PVM with 3D games.

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>>2250281
Have anything in mind?

>> No.2250384

>>2250354
Best looking PS/N64 games.

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>>2250384
I was looking more for specific games, but I'll see what I can do; Don't want to just post old stuff all the time.

>> No.2250417

>>2250393
Horizontal resolution looks terrible compared to Pokemon, what do they render at?

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>>2250417
I think the Pokemon one just came out better than CTR for one;
640x240p for Pokemon if I had to guess; Maybe 320x240 for Crash?
This is one of those old ones I was talking about.

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Moire, Moire everywhere

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>> No.2250757

>>2250001
Nicely done. I was asleep while all this was going on, but it seemed pretty obvious it was a minor issue, and not that you were delivering 480p or higher sync rates. That shit will just look garbled. I was going to suggest v-hold settings on the TV itself :) but no need.

What was the setting you had to correct, btw?

>> No.2250760

>>2250102
Keen to hear an account as well.

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>> No.2251013

What would I need to buy to allow my GTX 970 to plug into my CRT via component? It has HDMI, DVI and DisplayPorts (full size).

There's a whole lot of converters on eBay but I'm almost positive I'll buy the wrong one without assistance.

Also, can a 970 even output at low resolutions like 240/480?

>> No.2251015

>>2251013
If it's compatible a DVI to breakout or VGA. Then go VGA to component.

>> No.2251027

>>2251015

Would it need to be that kind of DVI with an analogue output somehow included in the design? I've heard of it before, but I think it's become obsolete.

>> No.2251040

>>2251027
Anything with HDMI at the start is going to be garbage for 240p.
Anything with DVI is going to need to be converted to VGA and then Component.

>> No.2251041

>>2251027
Nvidia's site says the reference card is DVI-I, so it would have the pins for VGA there. If you have an OEM version, you'd have to check whether they kept that or not.

>> No.2251052

>>2251040
Also I should add since last year I had to get a VGA to component transcoder. A good one is becoming rare. You're going to have to deal with pretty mediocre transcoders. Such as ones that only handle 640x480 and ruin everything else.
You can still find 9A60A new though from some sellers. The company stopped producing them last year or the year before though. Pretty much the last really nice VGA to component transcoder. If you're not in America good luck.

Another route would be getting VGA and then getting a Extron rgb interface (might be needed for the VGA to component transcoder too) so you can get a break out to scart and do RGBS. With RGBS scart you can use a scart to component transcoder.

>> No.2251061

>>2250417
Actually, Crash renders at 512x240, whereas Pokemon renders at 320x240, interpolated horizontally to 640x240 with antialiasing and shit.

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>>2251061
Well, there you go. Shows what I know.

The Pokemon photo just came out better than Crash; The fact that the 64's filtering sets the bar lower for it probably didn't hurt either.

I really need to stop taking so many photos and sort the ones I already have.

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Just got a trinitron, does anyone know what this icon means?

Also, I have my GameCube plugged in to it via an RGB switcher. (Not retro I know, but i need to know)

The console seems to get power from the RGB cable. I take the plug lead out and the front light is turned on, but it doesn't turn on when I press the power. What's up with that? I can post a picture if you like.

>> No.2251219

>>2251205
This isn't the thread to problem check a GC. No idea how you're getting rgb out of it.

As for the symbol I believe that has something to do with Euro TVs. Maybe scart input? Rtfm.

>> No.2251251

>>2251205
I know what's going on. But the GC isn't retro, so I can't help you here. Sorry mate.

>> No.2251256

>>2251205
Don't hook up your GC via SCART cables, problem solved.

>> No.2251302

>>2251205
Dunno what the symbol means. If the three bumps at the top represent hinges, it may be indicating the game disc is not seated properly.

Do you have a PAL Gamecube? And you're using a cable with a SCART connector?

>> No.2251308

>>2251251
Help him brother, he is trying to enjoy a Trinitron! And he's probably using the Gamecube strictly for the GB Player to play GB and GBC games on a crt, right? >>2251205

>> No.2251309

So thinking of picking this one up
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/ele/4883537909.html

What do you guys think? 27 inch seems a bit much for me tho. i already have a 38 inch flat screen and a 21 monitor.

>> No.2251317

>>2251309
Personally would go with a Trinitron if I wanted a consumer grade CRT.

>> No.2251329

>>2250102
Well, it plays xvid well, but I have trouble playing h.264 480p content, which is most of my collection. Xvid looks like ass anyway.

>> No.2251332

>>2251317
Well i passed on a nice trini at the local goodwill a couple of weeks back and now totally regret it

>> No.2251334

>>2247380
The only "how to into" is knowing when to say enough is enough and to put the damn remote down and play some games.

>> No.2251336

>>2251332
There's a lot of CRTs out there. Especially in America were you can watch TV on them anymore.

>> No.2251337

>>2249321
By george, it is. Get on that, boy.

>> No.2251339

>>2251336
*can't

>> No.2251340

>>2249340
This man is incorrect. That is a PVM. One of the 90s models which uses a CMPTR input for RGB.

>> No.2251341

>>2251336
Yeah thinking of going on a thrift store spree and seeing if i can track a nice one down.

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>>2251329
I was doing 480i, but it's not xvid.

>> No.2251414

>>2251350
Hmm, I was trying a similar file, albeit .mkv and 720x480 4:3 and it was stuttering. bitrate was about 1800 or so, similar FPS. All the h264 files I tried had stuttering issues.

>> No.2251417

>>2251337
>>2251340
Damn. Still waiting for an anwser... Hopefuly I can get my paws on it

>> No.2251434

>>2251414
I'll try taking a bit beefer file and see what happens.
What player were you using?

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>>2251414
>>2251434
WiiMC crashes about halfway into the intro of Ep1 with subs on, glitches and jumps about with them off. Endless Waltz refuses to even start and just locks it up, subs on or off; Managed to get it to load once, but the audio was out of sync.

MPlayer CE plays Ep1 fine with subs, but they end up covering the entire damn screen at times. Disable and everything goes fine.
Endless Waltz just results in an instant crash.

Ep1 has a bitrate of ~2330
Endless Waltz's is ~2150

I think EW's problem is the filesize rather than length. An xvid episode of Top Gear played fine.

Either way, a PS3 over component or obviously a PC over RGB would be the optimal solution in this case, I feel.

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Sega Mega Drive on my PVM14M4E after modding it to output S-video

>> No.2251557

>>2251543
>modding it to output S-video

Why? It outputs RGB natively, why would you want S-Video?

>> No.2251561

>>2251557
Maybe he doesn't have an RGB capable CRT?

>> No.2251563

>>2251561
>Sega Mega Drive on my PVM14M4E
That said, it's possible that it was cheaper and quicker to get the bits to get it outputting S-Video for the time being than to order/buy a decent quality SCART cable.

>> No.2251564

>>2251561
>PVM14M4E

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>>2251563
You hit it on the head. I just got my rgb cable I ordered from ebay in the mail and it's the wrong din connector (circle shaped rather than U shaped) so i'll have another 3 weeks to wait for it. Plus it was a really easy mod and gave me something to replace the EXT plug with.

>> No.2251916

>>2251205
This symbol means RGB input.
>The console seems to get power from the RGB cable. I take the plug lead out and the front light is turned on, but it doesn't turn on when I press the power. What's up with that? I can post a picture if you like.
>RGB switcher.
A thing with like 5 SCART sockets and no switches?
If yes then DON'T USE IT!!!
It shorts all SCART inputs together which isn't good.
I had a cable in my SNES which had 5V directly wired to the AV switching pin, it got killed by that when my VCR put 12V on that.
Damn these goddamn chinks for not putting any diodes on them, that would prevented any damage.

For best picture either build yourself a active switching box with an high quality OpAmps or keep switching the cables manually.
For slightly less good picture get a passive switch box which has like 3 SCART inputs, 6 RCA jacks and a output, these do degrade the picture quality a little bit (composite interferes with the Red channel) but don't short all pins directly.

>> No.2252129

What would everyone consider the best CRT size? Would a too big CRT be bad for 240p?

>> No.2252291

Does anyone have experience running MAME games with a PVM? I want to know if it's easy to get the games running at native res on one.

>> No.2252313

>>2252129
It all depends on the space you have and how willing you are to move a potentially massive, heavy monitor whenever you're cleaning or relocating.

I have a 20L5 and it's pretty much the biggest I'd go. Now I kinda want a smaller PVM or BVM for mounting in a rack with some other equipment.

>> No.2252325

>>2252291
Groovymame's USB boot stick seemed to work for me. It should work assuming you've got the right kind of graphics card.

>> No.2252339

>>2252325
An option I've been looking at is an ArcadeVGA, but I don't want to spend $90 on it if I don't have to. My other available options are:

- Radeon HD 4650; S-video, 2x DVI
- 7950 GT; S-video, 2x DVI; fanless
- 8800 GTX; S-video, 2x DVI; requires extra power
- Radeon HD 5670; VGA, DVI, HDMI

I'm OK with using S-video

>> No.2252360

>>2252129
I prefer larger crts with 32-inch screens, would love to try out a 36 or 40. I wouldn't want to game on anything smaller than 20-inches, but I respect those that do and understand that image geometry is better calibrated on the smaller sets.

>> No.2252365

>>2252339
Any of those cards will work fine. Just wire up the VGA output (from the DVI-I port if necessary) to the RGB input of the PVM and set an appropriate video mode.

>> No.2252368

>>2251336
Wait, does Europe still have analog broadcasts? You can watch ATSC signals on a CRT just fine, with an external tuner (and they gave away a few million of them on the federal budget).

>> No.2252374

>>2252368
>Wait, does Europe still have analog broadcasts?

Not in France, unless you somehow get to receive some unknown amateur TV channel.

>> No.2252375

>>2252368
I know they're out there but I have no idea about the number or how well they work.

Most people just moved on.

No idea about Euro TVs either.

>> No.2252387

>>2252368
>and they gave away a few million of them on the federal budget
I'm still bothered we didn't get one; Now I can't seem to find one at a decent price.

>> No.2252437

>>2252387
Wow, they're everywhere in Aus. When people move CRT's now on Gumtree or whatever (our Craigslist) they often have the set-top box included. Also tons in junk shops. I should probably get me one.

>>2252339
Don't use S-Video. It's easiest, but not best. You have a PVM. Be all you can be.

>>2252365
Any tips on setting that video mode? AFAIK that anon would need to use something like powerstrip, which i hear is a pain, or crt_emudriver or Soft15kHz which both work easiest on Radeon cards. Someone really needs to write a decent guide for crt-emudriver too.

>> No.2252445

>>2252437
In America we have a lot of very cheap to free and sometimes they'll give you money to get rid of a CRT. Having those boxes wasn't a huge issue to the average person.

S-Video isn't bad. I'd say it's equal to RGB 21 in most aspects.

>> No.2252491

>>2252445
>S-Video isn't bad
In this case it'd be from a gfx card though, so it's pumping 480i 24/7. For 240p signals he'll do much better with RGB from a DVI-VGA adapter and everything else. A bit of modding required on the cables though

>> No.2252559

>>2252491
If it's 480i it's gonna be crap either way most likely.

>> No.2252597

>>2252559
480i only looks bad because most gpu's have the flicker filter set way high by default which makes everything blurry.

>> No.2252796

>>2252559
...yes, if he uses S-Video. That was my point? Or were you just concurring?

>>2252597
How do you mean? it's not a 480i signal the gPU is interpolating, it's one the GPU is generating from whatever output. Won't the 480i output just be in 480i and flicker anyway?

If I'm wrong on that, is there any way to fix the flicker?

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>>2252796
That's the point of the flicker filter, to reduce flicker. However it blurs the image, so I have it set low since it doesn't bother me that much. You can configure the setting in your graphics card settings.

>> No.2252859

>>2252796
I'm just saying it's not going to be great.
>>2252829
Have you tried an Extron rgb interface? From what I've read that can help greatly with 480i signals. I use one but for a different purpose so I can't comment on that.

>> No.2252870

>>2252859
Mine's actually outputting component, so I think it looks pretty good. Thanks for the suggestion, but mostly using this setup because its all I have and got no cash.

>> No.2252873

>>2252870
Ah. Well if you want to give it a try and use VGA they're only like $30-$50 for the basic models.

>> No.2252986

I asked about the PVM-20M2MDU at tekyard and the guy said he's willing to let it go for $265 including shipping.

>> No.2252992

>>2252986
If it's in nice shape and low hours that can be good.

>> No.2253005

>>2252992
I can make a counter offer, but I'm not sure how far to lowball. Guy never told me what condition it's in, so I need to remind him of that.

>> No.2253012

>>2253005
Well to me if it even has a few scratches I wouldn't be interested in much more than $100 not counting shipping. Same with high hours.

But if it's in really nice condition and not used that much the price goes up significantly.

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>>2252986
>>2252992
Unless it's getting shipped one hell of a distance, I'd let it go. $250+ for that set is way too much in my mind.

>> No.2253032

>>2253013
>>2253012
I should probably add that this is from someone who was shopping for a PVM and saw all the nice one go really fast for multiple hundreds of $$$.

>> No.2253130

>>2251015
I'm not that guy, but I've got a 660ti with DVI, DVI-I, and one of those DVI-VGA adapters every monitor comes with. With my displays hooked up via HDMI and Displayport, NVIDIA Control Panel allows me to pick between RGB and YCbCr, but with the one hooked up through DVI it only allows (presumably) RGB.

If I got just a straight VGA->Component cable, would I be able to send a signal to my tv or would I need to buy a separate box to convert the signal itself?

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>>2253130
Forgot pic, I guess

>> No.2253147

>>2253132
>>2253130
The TV will need to be able to accept YCbCr. YPbPr is "normal" component.
If it's something from the 2000s it'll probably work. What is the TV or monitor you're feeding into?

>> No.2253150

>>2252986
I got a M2MD at a similar kind of place for 25$. 100$ is the absolute most I'd ever pay for a 600 line model, and that's assuming I really wanted it.

>> No.2253152

Anyone know if you ever get your account activated at the neo geo place anymore? I made an account so I could ask skips to teach me everything he knows about CRT models but my account hasn't been activated after 3 days.

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>>2253147
It's a Toshiba CZ27V51.

>> No.2253156

>>2253152
Mine was activated but it's messed up. Sometimes I can view threads and everything like normal. Other times it'll just say my account is still pending.

>> No.2253162

>>2253153
Unless there's something I don't know about I don't see why it wouldn't work. Unless the signal is at the wrong frequency or something.

>> No.2253164

>>2253162
Alright, thanks man.

>> No.2253179

>>2253152
>>2253156
I only ever lurk the CRT Fetish Thread, but it looked like there was some stupid bullshit going on over there a few days ago.

>> No.2253223

>>2253152
Yeah I signed up recently and even when they activate your account you can't
-start threads
-edit posts (?)
-open attachments - including photos you've uploaded!

Pretty stupid attitude to new members if you ask me.

>> No.2253260

>>2253130
>>2253147
Wait, is that right? He wants to use a DVI-VGA-component setp, and the DVI will only output RGB. If that's right then no, the VGA-component cable won't work. The TV won't be getting component, it'll be getting RGB, which it won't know what to do with. Signal converter required.

Easier might be to use the component stream you can get out of the HDMI or display ports, not that i have any experience with doing that, and you'd need a cable...

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Taken with a potato but I still like the crisp colours of my Trinitron (KV-21T3E).

>> No.2253305

>>2249321
so turns out model is KV-FS29. Really looks like a PVM but it's a TV after all.

>> No.2253309

>>2253305
*KV-FX29 I mean

>> No.2253317

>>2253179
The stickies do call it "teh drama"

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I'm running on this RCA Colortrack TV I found on the curb months ago, and I've got a case of visible wavebanding. Is there anything that can be done (using an external degaussing coil, etc), or is this a characteristic I'm gonna have to accept?

>> No.2253332

>>2253329
to be clear, it's not super major, it's just a minor irratation that you have to be looking for.

>> No.2253378

>>2253309
Sorry to hear that. If you can find the specs, it might still be a nice set?

>> No.2253379

>>2253378
Number 1 rule of CRTs: If it looks good, it is good.*

*Unless you post pictures of it on the internet

For real though, you can go after a low hour 800/1000 line BVM or NEC whuchamacallet, but if you have some old trinitron that you like the picture on, then that's good enough. Once you get into the 'well maybe this looks better' stuff you start spending money you shouldn't be.

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>> No.2253403

>>2253378
It was a little too far away. Would have been worth it for a PVM, but for a regular, not so much.
Also, the model is apparently unique and has extremely complex electronic. I have simpler models or FD trinis closer to me.

>> No.2253419

has anyone ever assembled a tier-list for crts?

>> No.2253425

>>2253260
I'm not sure that it's the DVI that won't send out YCbCr. I think the monitor itself isn't willing to take YCbCr signal so the control panel doesn't even give the option.

>> No.2253476

>>2253425
Switch the monitors and find out? I thought component was mostly used for TV-out, bypassing- or without EDID. As in, you tell the card you want to output component rather than it detecting anything.

>>2253379
>Once you get into the 'well maybe this looks better' stuff you start spending money you shouldn't be.
I hear that. 2 PVMs and counting.

>>2253393
Game name?

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>>2253476
Purse Owner

Haven't played it at all, just booted it up to see if the disk worked.

>> No.2253532

>>2252368
All cable services in Germany still send many channels (i think around 30-40) in good old analogue PAL, the only digital ones that are free to receive in both SD and HD are the public ones and extra fees must be paid to receive the private channels in digital.

>> No.2253615

>>2253476
I checked a bunch, and I guess you can't push YCbCr through DVI-I. Sucks.

Is there a (cheap) way to go from DVI-I or HDMI to S-Video? Or a way to go from HDMI to Component I guess.

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>>2253615
Further, I guess: Is there a difference in output quality between a cheap Chinese HDMI->Component box and, say, a Monoprice one?

>> No.2254070

>>2253615
>>2253656
HDMI to component could mess with signal. Especially if it's meant for 640x480p.

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guys, i have a sony 14' pvm but i have a little problem
it isn't displaying everything, see picture

>> No.2254142

>>2254136
Adjust it for the overscan. If it's the height that's messed up you'll need to probably go into the service menu. Good luck.

>> No.2254157

Does anyone know off-hand what kind of Sonny Trinitron this is? I can vaguely make out that it has a VGA input, but the only details the seller is giving is that it's havy.

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>>2254157
pic

>> No.2254172

>TV used and great work, pick up only. TV is havy.
Good luck with that.

>> No.2254214

>>2253152
>>2253156
>>2253223
Site maintenance. The team knows. Give it a week.

>> No.2255238

So after going to 8 local thrift stores the best crt i could find was a kv-20fs100. Its the flat screen kind but does have the component in. Is it worth keeping or should i keep looking for another.

>> No.2255246

>>2255238
I have the 27" variant of it. It's breddy gud, albeit with a few convergence issues, but nothing too bad.

If you don't mind the smaller size and it's working fine with no outstanding issues, I would grab it.

>> No.2255248

>>2255238
If I remember right I think that's just the base model Trinitron. So pretty decent. Better be like $20 though.

>> No.2255250

>>2254157
>>2254161
>>2254172
First, and second, rule about buying shit on the Internet:

>Don't buy anything from illiterate people.

>> No.2255280

>>2255246
>>2255248
It was marked down from 25 to 6. I was looking for the 20 inch model cause I am running out of room on my desk. Was hoping for a non flat screen tho

>> No.2255343

>>2255280
As the anon above said, if the picture looks good and doesn't have any problems with it, I'd keep it.
I have the 24'' variant of it, and despite some brightness issues from the previous owner, it has quite a nice image.

>> No.2255354

>>2255343
Well gonna mess with the picture settings. Mario 64 seems to bright and zelda oot seems to dark.

>> No.2255373

>>2255354
How is it possible for the dynamic range to be that messed up?

>> No.2255390
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>>2255373
Mario 64 is a bright game?

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>>2255390
And zelda not so much.

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2255412

Any Ausfags know where to go about picking up a broadcast monitor locally, or really anything that supports RGB?
Lucked into a BVM a few years ago but my room-mate spilled water on it and now I need a replacement; however I've no idea where to start looking now, and obvious places like eBay/gumtree are barren.

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>>2255412
>but my room-mate spilled water on it

>> No.2255431

>>2255403
From N64 I guess? OOT looks darker than I remember.

>> No.2255440

>>2255412
> but my room-mate spilled water on it
Out with that bogan cunt!

>> No.2255468

Where could I find a BVM-20F1 in America?
Is there something to confirm the hours the monitor has been used?
What about a PVM?

>> No.2255489

>>2255468
On ebay, or places that sell surplus broadcasting equipment. Or perhaps from someone else that uses CRTs for games. None of these options are cheap.

If you've never bought a professional CRT before, look for a PVM instead. Stuff like the 53Q, M2, L2 models. You should be able to find those for closer to 50$ in good condition if you dig enough. Look for 14 inch models if you want to use it on a desk, 20 inch if you've got a lot of space.

>> No.2255503

>>2255489
I'm actually the guy that went with the XRGB over one these. Was posting in the last thread. I'd like a PVM-20L5 but I'm running into the same issues again. Trying to track one down that actually has the hours listed or isn't beat to hell.

Was just getting the itch to get one again but looks like that wont happen.

>> No.2255551

>>2255503
Unless you go for a BVM, you're not going to have the hours actually listed within the monitor itself; If the seller gives a number, it'd be by their own keeping.

>> No.2255563

>>2255503
The 20L5 doesn't have an hour count.

Can we write a guide on visual inspection of CRTs? If anyone here knows how to make things in photoshop it should be a fairly easy task. Better yet if we've got actual pictures of messed up CRTs. Geometry issues, convergence, etc.

>> No.2255660

>>2254136
You need to press menu - Degauss+enter - go to 'V size' for 60hz or normal def - change until it fits - press degauss twice - press Degauss+enter to leave the menu.

>> No.2255670

>>2255412
I was super lucky I went looking for one when the Brisbane ABC had moved offices and cleared out all their stuff. A wholesaler was selling them out of an industrial estate 20 mins away from me.

>> No.2255717

dammit, yesterday I saw 2 episodes of Monk, there were PVMs everywhere....

>> No.2255729

>>2255440
rekt, maaaate.

>>2255412
Not even sure anymore. Keep an eye on the ABC auctions, and mb regional TV studios. The ABC recently went through the Glass Replacement Project - replacing all the old CRT studio monitors with OLEDs - and all the regional centres shipped their monitors to Sydney where they were auctioned off by Pickles auction house. There were a few of us posting about it on here, and on FB. I'm not in Sydney, and the lots were auctioned off in pallets of like 20-25 smaller PVMs or like 8-10 20"+ BVM/PVMs, along with a few mixed loads. The top pallets went for about $275 - that's like 4x 20" PVMs and a few 24" Multiformat BVMs with remotes in one hit. The guy i was trying to work something out with on facebook went to like $260 and ran out of steam. They had photos up, but you couldn't test anything before sale.

No fucking idea where they went, either. None have cropped up on ebay, so unless there's some retro scene or forum i'd love to find they've gone to like older production places or something? Who knows.

This was the major move, as i understand it. The ABC might not have that much to sell ever again. I'll send an email to the guy i was talking to at the ABC who puts the stuff out for sale and see what he says - which will probably be nothing.

It's really going to be a matter of keeping your eyes open.

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Anyone got anything bad to say about the B&O BeoVision MX 7000 and how much it might be right to buy it for?

>> No.2256013

So I found a 17 inch Trinitron PC monitor (a CPD-17SF2) in the trash. Brought it home and turned it on, discovered that it has some vertical fold-over. Now, I know that's faulty caps around the vertical output IC and I have a shitload of replacement caps. But there's one problem; I don't know where the vertical output IC is. I've opened the CRT (safely, of course, shorted the HV output to ground before touching anything) and it seems to have two boards:
A main board with the HV circuitry and OSD/digital stuff
A board (attached to the neck of the tube) with all the analog circuitry.
Could you help me find the vertical output IC? Will post pics if needed

>> No.2256040
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>>2256013
I only found some scanned schematics, nothing else.
Vertical IC is IC504, TDA8172, should have 7 pins and is on the big D Board.

>> No.2256049

>>2255827
Holy shit, that looks awesome

>> No.2256056

>>2256040
That was fast. Tank you so much! No wonder those caps are cooked, they are just beside the heatsink for the IC. Fuckers used 85ºC caps.
Could I get a link to the schematics?

>> No.2256059

>>2256056
The very first results on google.
The hoster is very shitty:
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_cpd-17sf2.pdf/download.html
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_cpd-17sf2_chassis_x-2_sm.pdf/download.html

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tfw it froze as soon as i got into a match (popstarter)

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Are any of these particularly notable? They're all like $5 and I'm probably going to pick up the Dell if no one responds.

>> No.2256150

>>2256132
I only have experience with the Dell, and it's ok. Don't expect to get higher than 1280x1024, if that. Should be good enough for old PC games and emulation, though.

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>>2256059
Replaced the caps and nothing. I suppose the IC itself is bad.

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>>2256216
Goodbye, Trinitron
>But you didn't recycle it
Don't worry, I live in a poor neighborhood, so I'm sure a gipsy will come pick it up, vent it and scrap it for copper.

>> No.2256259

>>2256132
dont even consider CRT monitors smaller than 21"

>> No.2256262

>>2256150
I'm not really looking for it as a monitor, more just for emulation I guess.

Are there any specs I should be looking at just for that, or are most of them effectively the same?

I've heard something about lower-res CRT's being better at 480/240 than higher-res ones.
>>2256259
Even just for vidya?

>> No.2256265

>>2256259

For low-res stuff acceptable PC monitors can be as small as 14" m8.

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>>2256259
That's only if you actually want to use the monitor as an everyday secondary or playing modern games at high resolution. For retro purposes (you know, what this board encompasses), even a 15" monitor would suffice.

>>2256262
Well, bigger monitors can go with a much higher refresh rate at low resolution than smaller ones, but a possible downside is bigger, thicker scanlines. Some people prefer scanlines to be less obvious, or even invisible. Take for example this comparison of Prince of Persia on both 14" and 17" monitors.

>> No.2256287

>>2256283
Now that's interesting. I think I might want to look more into the 14" one then.

>> No.2256293

Hello comrades.

I've kept CRTs for my retro games through the 2000/2010s, but I've admittedly never delved into what makes a good or bad one. I dropped my old reliable Sony while moving, and replaced it with a $5 Orion from the local thrift store(all they had). It's..a little weird, I think. I don't know that I like it.

So I essentially have two questions, as a novice appreciator of CRTs:

Is Orion well known/known for any level of quality? Sounds like a bargain brand to me but I don't know

Also, secondly, if I do replace it do you guys have recommendations for brands I'll likely find in rural Mississippi flea markets/thrift stores?

>> No.2256294

>>2256265
14 is really small and actual viewing diag is less than that. Also, 14 are usually very old, low end monitors.
17 should be the lowest

>> No.2256298

>>2256287
I would be wary of 14" monitors, actually. They're actually pretty rare these days because they fell out of style back in the mid 90's or so, and most of them were pretty low end anyway. 15" and 17" monitors were produced quite some time after that, and even the average one will probably still be of higher quality and will be sharper, have more options for image control, etc. You can even see in that comparison that the image on the 17" monitor is considerably sharper.

I only recommend hunting down a 14" monitor if you are looking to setup a period-correct early 90's DOS battlestation or something.

>> No.2256305

>>2256298
Interesting still. Well, of the 17" ones, would you say Dell or Phillips puts out better screens? Or should I just go and see for myself?

Speaking of which, what sort of characteristics would I want to be looking for if I were to A/B test them? Is it mostly just subjective?

>> No.2256314

>>2256305
outside of curved / flat screen and shadow mask / aperture, it's pretty much subjective.
Electronic settings is a must, dialing those pots each time resolution changes is a pain in the butt

>> No.2256317

>>2256314
What do you mean by electronic settings?

>> No.2256326

>>2256317
image size and geometry controled by electronics and ajusted via OSD, instead of manual pots.

>> No.2256328

>>2256326
Ah, alright. Thanks.

>> No.2256335

>>2256294

Like I said, for low-res stuff (from 160*120 to 640*480 stuff), it's good enough, especially for 320*200/240 material.

17" is only required when the resolution is 800*600 or higher.

>> No.2256336

I've heard 8k monitors are needed to accurately emulate crts.

>> No.2256350

I have an opportunity to pick up a sony SD WEGA trinitron (KD-27FS170) from a friend for free. How are these newer-age crts compared to the older models? How does the flat screen monitor compared to the traditional curved tube (sans lightguns), and does anyone know the image quality might be?

>> No.2256365

>>2256216
>I suppose the IC itself is bad.
But at least the upper half looks very good.
So good that i don't think that it's broken.
Inspect the resistors and solder joints around the vertical IC, never replace a huge resistor with an smaller one.
Btw how much would a TDA8172 cost you? (i would have to spend about 3€ for on ebay)

>> No.2256371

>>2256365
I'm sorry, but...
>>2256247

>> No.2256390

>>2256262
>>2256265
>>2256283
the thing is that smaller CRT monitors are pretty bad quality wise and since you can get a top of the line CRT virtually for free these days I wouldn't really bother with smaller units.

>> No.2256395

>>2256350
Flat screens work with light guns just fine. At least, mine does with House of the Dead 2. And FD Sonys are great. Svideo, component, and several rca inputs.

>> No.2256402

>>2256390
There are 17" monitors that are pretty good, usually those sporting Trinitron/Diamondtron tubes. They just lack high scan rates and usually cannot proceed past 1280x1024, but they're awesome for emulation.

But yeah, if you have the room for a 21" behemoth and can get it for cheap, by all means.

>> No.2256434

>>2256390
>the thing is that smaller CRT monitors are pretty bad quality wise

Might be true for PC ones, I don't have anything under 17" when it comes to PC monitors.
What I said about 14" being perfectly acceptable for low-res stuff come from my experience with my Amiga monitor, and all the good stuff the Anon with his Sony KX-14CP1 posted (monitor that was released to be the monitor of Sony's MSX2 computers).

>> No.2256442

>>2256434
Do those monitors accept 31KHz or are they purely 15KHz?

>> No.2256445

>>2256442

They're 15kHz only.

>> No.2256447

>>2256434
these were pretty much taylor-made for the computer. They did have to deal with multiple or high resolutions.

14" vga monitors were most of the time of very poor quality, higher end were mostly in the 15" size.

>> No.2256459

whats your price margin when buying tvs?

>> No.2256469

>>2256447
>They did have to deal with multiple or high resolutions.

Most computers of the time had multiple resolutions, but you're right, most of the time the highest resolution these monitor were made to handle were 640*200p/240p/256p/400i/480i/512i.

>>2256459

>tvs

10 bucks. That's what I paid for my 14" Sony Trinitron TV with RGB input. 20~30 if it's something twice as big.

>> No.2256661

>>2256402
>usually cannot proceed past 1280x1024

They can do 1400x1050 or 1440x1080 at 60hz if they can do 1280x1024. You can go higher if you lower the refresh rate, but the geometry may not hold up well.

>> No.2256698

PVM-1444PM or 14M2U?

>> No.2256724

>>2256698
also what do you guys think about the jvc tm-h150cg

>> No.2256736

What's the point of a tiny 14" monitor?

>> No.2256739
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>mfw GBP to PVM using Swiss homebrew to render at 240p looks fucking amazing

>mfw pspgo component to pvm looks amazing

>mfw Sony pvm 20L5 is the best fucking thing ever

I know its not /vr/ but shit, this crt is really fucking magical. I dunno if this pic looks like shit or not since my phone is ass, so sorry about that. It's just that in addition to all my retro shit, this crt accommodates literally every console pre hdmi gen. I love it and I would shove my dick far inside it and cum everywhere to show my love for it.

>> No.2256938

>>2256298
>>2256294
My PVM14M4E does fine

>> No.2256941

>>2256938
We're talking about PC monitors here, not broadcast monitors.

>> No.2256998

>>2256698
M2U.

>> No.2257008

>>2256739
L5 is arguably the best "PVM" ever made, it's basically a BVM with less modular components, and the only 800 line PVM I know of.

I'm really interested to try out a panasonic model, people have interesting things to say about the shadow mask models that were competing with the PVMs back then.

>> No.2257013

>>2257008
>only 800 line PVM I know of.
M4 series also have 800 line tubes.

>>2256739
Stop making me jealous.
I'm assuming you're using the SD Media Launcher?

>> No.2257018

>>2257013
Ah, yes. But L5 has that fancy 480p/HD support? I know the M4 don't.

>> No.2257036

>>2246751
>2-3 people on /vr/ actually own one.
Make that 3-4.

>> No.2257040

>>2257008
The L4's have the same tubes in general, but sadly doesn't do 480p and up.

Really nice picture though.

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>>2257036
Well hello then friend.

>> No.2257050

>>2257018
That is true. Still (hypothetically) as sharp for 240p though.

A 20L5 is really all I'd like out of a monitor. Getting something like a large BVM-D series would be cool and all, but the L5 seems to be in that perfect sweet spot of high support but not to complicated to configure properly.
Well, maybe a D24E1WU if you want 16:9 aspect ratio, but you still have to deal with all the extra BVM fluff; 32'' model would just be too damn heavy.

>> No.2257051

>>2255670
>>2255729
Thanks.
I'll keep that in mind and have a look around.

Hopefully those pallets turn up somewhere, although I'm sure I'll end up paying out the ass for a replacement regardless.

>> No.2257075

>>2257040
>L4
M4 or L5? There was no L4 model. I wouldn't be too surprised if the M4 and L5 used the same tube, as the L5 was basically a replacement for the M4 in terms of product range.

>>2257050
Someone (I think you?) mentioned the 32" model seemed to have tube issues more than it should. I'm not sure if the 24 counts with that as well or not.

I really want to get more info on older PVM and BVM models, anything older than 1953Qish seems to be spotty and I've found nothing on the old presentation models, aside from that one amazing set the youtube guy got.

>> No.2257114

>>2257075
>There was no L4 model
https://cvp.com/pdf/sony_pvm-14_lseries_brch.pdf

As for the tube issue problem, I was just saying what I could see on ebay. Some idiot could have just been swinging a neodymium pendulum in front of them for all I know. The only real benefits that you'd get from those sets are 16:9 tubes and a somewhat higher (1000) line count.

Oh, also a higher possibility to have it fall and break your foot. The 32'' model weighs about as much as the Megaview; 24'' model is still a good 40lbs more than the 20L5

>> No.2257161

>>2257114
>L4 and L3 models were never in the sales catalogs I've seen

One of these days I'll find an old sony sales person to help fill in all these damn gaps.

>> No.2257169

>>2257161
Also note to self and everyone else: L3 models look to be L2s with the "L5 interface", L4 is M4 with the same.

Unless I'm mistaken.

>> No.2257243

>>2257013

Yes SD media launcher since I don't want to bother hacking my gc. I use my wii for for forcing 480p on gcn games, and for all gc games. I got tired of disc swapping as well so I got a 2 gig sd to put an iso of gbp to make things easier for me whenever I want to launch gba games at 240p.

>all this non retro talk

SORRY NIGGAS. I'm also playing Radical Dreamers on my snes and it looks amazing yet again on my pvm. I'd take pics but I'm currently taking a massive shit so it'll have to wait.

>> No.2257256

>>2257243
>>all this non retro talk
Shhh, it was all for GBC games and collections of retro.
As soon as I stop being so poor, I want to get one. That $10 shipping is stupid though.

If the anon who mentioned GSM last thread is around, does that work for retail games or do you have to use backups?

>> No.2257443

Well.. I finally just made the jump to S-Video, and I have to say, I'm a changed man. It's like a subtle form of transcendence. The clarity. The easily distinguishable pixels and clean edges. It's brilliant.

>> No.2257454

>>2257443
>Composite to S video

You know it only gets better from here right? S video > Component is a similar jump, plus better TVs.

BUCKLE DOWN YOUR WALLET, IT'S GOING TO BE A BUMPY RIDE

>> No.2257459

>>2257454
There really isn't much difference.
>>2257443
It makes a world of difference.

>> No.2257462

>>2257454
Oh, no.. No, no no. I'm not upsizing from the 20" CRT I've got. And short of buying a new TV, this is as far as I can go.

>> No.2257481

>>2257459
Exactly how does the TV take that s-video signal and convert it to what it uses internally? I wonder of s-video quality would depend on the TV. Compressing all the colors into one chroma would mean s-video's biggest weakness compared to component would be worse colors.

>> No.2257483

>>2257481
I don't know the technical side enough to explain why. S video vs component doesn't seem drastically different to me.
Now if you're going to use a scaler it can be pretty different. S video vs rgb anyway.

>> No.2257519

>>2257483
I image with these old games that have a limited color palette the difference not being as big. Maybe on more modern games.

>> No.2257528

>>2257459
From my PC there is a pretty large difference between S video and component/RGB signals, more in terms of contrast and color than detail.

>>2257462
Is it a PVM?

>> No.2257530

>>2257454
>S video > Component is a similar jump
The jump from s-video to component isn't nearly as sizable as the one from composite to s-vid. The main benefit is in color vibrancy.

>> No.2257536

>>2257528
Why was VGA never used for televisions? Is it because it is video only? Isn't S-video technically so, too?

>> No.2257546

>>2257536
VGA was used on most LCDs up until a few years ago.
Why it wasn't used on CRT TVs I don't know.

>> No.2257552

>>2257536

Because in many (1st world) countries there was already RGB SCART sockets and/or similar inputs (Japanese RGB 21 for exemple) which is older than VGA (late 70s), and because most TVs were 15kHz only monitors, making the need of adding a new RGB input useless.
Some HD CRTs do have a VGA input though.

>> No.2257559

>>2257552
>1st world
>scart
Haha

All the PC monitors I've seen use VGA or some kind of db15 or 9 or din connector connector.

>> No.2257567

>>2257559

Yes, first world, cause Japan and most European countries using this kind of RGB input were on the US side, not soviets nor indecisive.

Also the other anon was talking about TVs m8, not PC monitors. And many PC monitors don't use VGA, but EGA/CGA digital RGB or monochrome video input.

>> No.2257570

>>2257546
I should have pointed out that I meant SDTVs. The 2011 LED TV I'm using right now as a monitor has a VGA port.

>> No.2257572

>>2257567
He confused me calling TVs monitors.
Still VGA is a lot more adaptable.
>>2257570
Not sure why. Makes no sense to me.

>> No.2257575

>>2257552
I've never seen an HD-CRT with a VGA port, I've only ever seen them with DVI-D or HDMI ports.

Some of the bigger Mitsu and NEC video monitors have VGA inputs tho

>> No.2257671

>>2257169
>L3 models look to be L2s with the "L5 interface", L4 is M4 with the same.
What's the L5 Interface? You mean the L3 is a Multiformat set...? I are confused.

>> No.2257676

>>2257671
Interface as in the buttons on the sides of the screen instead of everything under the screen.

>> No.2257683

>>2257671
>What's the L5 Interface? You mean the L3 is a Multiformat set...? I are confused.

... and no it's not multiformat, it only does 15Khz. What did you mean, then?

>> No.2257761

>>2257676
>>2257676
Ninja'd, nice

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is there something wrong with this screen?

>> No.2258180

>>2245618
I wish there was an emulator filter that replicated that look, rather than just horizontal scanlines.

>> No.2258191

>>2257528
>is it a pvm

I don't think I'd ever be that committed. I don't have the space for one either. Or the shelving to support its weight. Plus, the cost doesn't really warrant the negligible increase in sharpness.

>> No.2258193

>>2258164

That trace on the monitor is suspect, it look like rust (though I don't know if there's anything that could rust inside, apart from the aluminum layers some CRTs have)

>> No.2258198

>>2258191
Plus the cost of new connectors, m8. It isn't cheap. But svideo is a very good place to be at.

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>>2258193
the seller sent me a pretty shit shot of the screen displaying a movie, is there some deep dark meaning behind this picture? the quality is awful but can you see anything wrong

>> No.2258283

>>2258272
>is there some deep dark meaning behind this picture?

There is, and it surely means that this set have been up for too any hours to be good anymore. This or "I'm not calibrated at all".

>> No.2258294

>>2258283
yeah, but i think the picture is so crap that the colors might be wrong or something, i guess i should ask more photos, the price is quite cheap (at least for where i live)

>> No.2258317

CVS2 looks so good over scart but no picture will do the colors justice

>> No.2259621
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Looks like it's at least partially the adapter's fault for why I can't get RGB2 working on the 3730. Should have expected as much, but it's wired up to where it would only really be of use with a Mac II.

>>2258317
I hate how flicker-y it is. I know doing so will only worsen how blatantly low-res some of the Capcom sprites are, but I'd like to see how it looks in 480p via a VGA box.

>> No.2259645

>>2259621
CVS2 PS2 is the worst offender, it runs in 240i, it flickers and aliased.
I wish CVS2EO was re-released on more recent platforms, not for the EO system itself, but for the loads of tweaks and fixes it brought.

>> No.2259668

>>2259645
it runs in 480i for me

there's a way to watch some ps2 games to get 240p out of them using hex editing, but i thin its only for games that were originally 240p , like some shmups

>> No.2259676

>>2259668
technically, it runs in 480i yeah, but internally it runs in that weird and crappy 240i res. Other version simply run in 480i with sprites scaled x2

>> No.2259689

>>2259645
I suppose that could explain it. Should probably try out the DC version and compare.

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Does anyone know what the purpose of the two buttons on the bottom left corner of this monitor(Dell Trinitron) do?

The one on the left has a picture of a dot with an arrow on each side pointing towards it. The one on the right has a picture of a slightly cylindrical rectangle with a plus sign in the center and for L shaped lies inside near the corners.

>> No.2261117

>>2261116
Degauss?

>> No.2261118

>>2261116
If I had to guess I think it would be the button to initiate the self destruct sequence.

>> No.2261289

>>2261116
The one on the left resets settings to factory default. It's the devil

The one on the right centers and adjusts the image

>> No.2261350

What exactly is the deal with PVMs and csync? If I wanna run a genesis with RGB, I've gotta go genesis out > SCART > RGB BNC and then use some kinda sync stripe nonsense?

>> No.2261358

>>2261350
Nah, most PVMs will strip your sync for you.

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>>2261350
Some PVM's will accept composite video as composite sync, but not all of them. You'd have to check out which specific models do or don't.

With the Genesis you should be able to find or make a SCART cable that feeds raw sync, so it shouldn't matter what kind of PVM or RGB monitor you have.

>> No.2261380

>>2261350
>>2261362
MD1/SMS sync pin isn't actually usable, it's connected to the VDP sync, not the encoder sync.
it's fairly easy to properly wire it, a trace cut, a 220µf cap and a 75 resistor is all you need. Some report that using Sync instead of composite reduce jailbars.

>> No.2261384

>>2261362
>>2261380
M2/L2 models?

Would the sync go into the Vsync BNC?

>> No.2261387

>>2261358
Newer models will accept composite video as sync. Older ones aren't typically as friendly to it and need csync.

>>2261384
M2 is perfectly fine accepting Cvid, Csync or SoG to sync the video. I'm sure the L2 would do the same.

>Vsync BNC
Those models don't have separate Horizontal and Vertical sync connections, only an external sync. If your breakout cable has H and V sync BNC connections, composite sync(and as such cvid as sync) are usually sent along the H sync line.

>> No.2261390

>>2261350

No you won't need that, a good RGB SCART cable for megadrive + a SCART to BNC cable will be enough.

>> No.2261410

>>2261387
>composite sync(and as such cvid as sync) are usually sent along the H sync line
>>2261384
Or you can combine the syncs if you need to. Google it.

>> No.2261502

>>2261350
You should be using a boosted sync cable anyway. C video as sync generally isn't great with the Genesis.

>> No.2261587
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2261587

So I am moving out, leaving my CRTs and arcade cabs behind.

I used to be pretty anal about picture quality because of the 15khz arcade monitors, but I am trying to let it go.

What is the general consent on SD plasma TVs for retro gaming?
How does gen six consoles look on it?

>> No.2261613
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2261613

>>2261587
Low lag LCD TV and XRGB.

I wouldn't buy an older plasma. Way too many problems with the early Plasmas. Samsung makes a 720p Plasma still that supposedly is pretty good with out an external upscaler for 240p. Bit of lag though.

>> No.2261687

>>2261613
Not to get too off-topic here (oops, too late!) but...what are some things to look for in a modern plasma TV when considering picture quality? What does input lag usually work out to (without scalers and the like, just in general)?

>> No.2261692

>>2261687
Well last year was the last for Plasma. Only one left is Samsung.
Read this if you're interested in a Plasma. At $400 it's pretty cheap too considering.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52511

Has about 38ms input lag.

Only other plasmas I would consider are the Panasonics from a few years back. Wont find those new though.


But if lag is a concern your only option is a good LCD.

>> No.2261762

>>2256132
This guy. I got the dell and the 14" optiquest. Surprisingly enough, the 14" is the better monitor. I'm just really disappointed it doesn't hit 120hz@480p unlike the dell.

>> No.2261773

>>2261692
Good to know, thanks. Still, it's too bad, because I like the look of plasmas, even though LCDs now are a lot better than they were.

Also, would anyone know what the cause of horizontal jitter on my 20" consumer Trinitron television might be?

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>>2261773
Ya it's a shame. I wish Plasmas kept going and got the crazy low lag that LCDs are getting right now. But it's dead tech now along with CRTs.

The jitter is probably from the cable.

>> No.2261795

>>2261785
I thought so too and tried different cables, but the same thing happened.

At least it was free on craigslist, plus not as much of a pain to move as my 27".

>> No.2262141
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2262141

Hey guys. Can I be one of you now?

>> No.2262989

Hello /crt/.

I've finally decided to finally upgrade my retrovidya to RGB. I've been lurking those threads for a while, and I've finally settled on a method.

I want to go with RGB Scart + Upscaler to output on HDMI.

The device of my choice is this box:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310620740857?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It's not all that great, but it's cheap and easy to use.

For cables I had previously asked for advice here on /crt/, which I was then pointed towards the hand-made cables by retro_console_accessories on ebay. Supposedly those are the cables with the best shielding.

Saturn: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-stereo-RGB-SCART-cable-for-NTSC-model-Saturn-lead-cord-/161614155039?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a0f44d1f

SNES: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Nintendo-stereo-RGB-SCART-lead-SNES-CSYNC-FULL-SHIELD-GROUNDED-cable-/201284360714?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edd7b9a0a

Mega Drive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Genesis-1-Megadrive-1-stereo-RGB-SCART-with-boosted-sync-TV-lead-/161575853221?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259eabdca5

What I have are a NTSC-J Saturn, a standard fat SNES, and a Model 1 Mega Drive. The SNES and the MD are the brazilian models, which are PAL-M(NTSC encoding, PAL colors), which for consoles just means that they're NTSC models with internal mods to make them capable of outputting PAL colors.

Are those the right cables? With so many sync methods it really confuses me which cables are the proper ones for the systems I have.

>> No.2263007

>>2262989
That thing is cheap but know it's not great.

NTSC Saturns use the same cable. PAL needs a different one.
Genesis you want the boosted c sync like the one you linked.

>With so many sync methods it really confuses me which cables are the proper ones for the systems I have.
The type of sync matters depending on your setup. In general just go with c sync. The cables you linked should all work. I'd change the Saturn cable to the c sync version though.

>> No.2263024

>>2263007
Regarding the Saturn cable, I had previously contacted them about it(not for the other cables yet). This is what they replied.

>If in doubt use the non csync, to be honest I can't see a difference in quality with csync on saturn - I listed the csync cables by buyer request.

The MD one isn't so confusing. The only problem I have with it is that it won't work on my SMS because the only draws audio from the frontal jack, but then I'll probably go with another solution for my SMS because otherwise I won't be able to play 3D games with it.

The SNES one is the most confusing, though. Normal, Csync, and luma all mention that they work "fine" on fat SNES models, but I can't really pick one.

I was thinking of maybe getting the luma one because I intend to mod my N64 for RGB later and I could reuse that cable.

>> No.2263043

>>2263024
Either Saturn cable will work. But some devices require c sync. That's why I say go with c sync. I can't comment on any picture quality differences. I've only ever used c sync with Saturn.
But she is right in the sense that the "normal" (composite video as sync)sync is the standard.

I don't know what would be best with the SMS.

The SNES gets weird. You have models that can't use luma sync and models that can't use c sync.
All (except one rare revision) standard SNES can use either of those 3 syncs, luma, c sync (raw sync), or composite video as sync.

The mini snes requires mods to output rgb.
-With just the rgb mod you can use composite video as sync.
-It's easy to mod for c sync though if you want.
-Luma sync requires a s video mod.

The rgb capable revisions all output s video so you can use luma as sync.
-the early revisions can use c sync
As for the N64 rgb mod with the board I don't know. Look it up if you're going that route.

Basically if you have a standard snes and want to share a cable with the N64 rgb mod, get sync on luma. Should be good to go with that.

Most my cables have been ordered through her. Pretty good quality and fast shipping.

>> No.2263075

>>2263043
Thanks. You post helped me a lot.

I decided to go with the cables I posted. The csync SNES cable seems to have the best compatibility, and for the N64 I can just worry about it later.

I suppose I'll be getting S-video for my SMS, since it's the best I can possibly get while still keeping lightgun and 3D game functionality.

I am also thinking of getting better cables for my Xbox and PS2. I am going component cables for those two. I know it's not retro, but can I get some advice for this? Are the official cables the best available? Are 3rd party cables acceptable?

>> No.2263092

>>2263075
I've used both c sync and luma sync cables with my SNES on a xrgb. Didn't notice any difference.

As for the 6th gen stuff good luck. That's a clusterfuck.

>> No.2263240

>>2263007
>NTSC Saturns use the same cable. PAL needs a different one.
PAL Saturns have a different pinout? Or need different components on different lines?

>> No.2263243

>>2261587
> leaving my CRTs and arcade cabs behind.

You horrible person.

Give them to me.

>> No.2263246

>>2261387
>Those models don't have separate Horizontal and Vertical sync connections, only an external sync.
You know, I look at the back this thing every other day, I'd like to think I'd remember something like this. (I was wrong)

>> No.2263250

>>2263240
The pin with c sync is different.

>> No.2263426
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The Mini is now RGB only, but it works with the 3730 now.

Really wish there was an easier way to cut the trace for composite; Removing such a small capacitor isn't something I wanted to deal with.

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>> No.2264254
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Composhit time!

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I took this from like ten feet away and my phone has a tendency to make tv screens look more blue. Oh well, xenogears is being enjoyable.

>> No.2265245

https://www.avforums.com/threads/loewe-aconda-9381zw-32-flatscreen-crt-tv-with-stand-and-remote-included.1572027/ - tv in link is going locally for 20 dollars. Looks top quality, is huge, and has scart. Only thing stopping me is that it's widescreen. What are the downsides to this? Will this TV necessarily have those downsides?

>> No.2265364
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I just got this Trinitron from a guy on Gumtree. It has had the sticker on the back with the model number removed, and it came with no remote.

I have noticed since playing my SNES with it that the picture size needs adjusting, but it seems like this is not possible without a remote. Some people in various threads I have been reading have said you can use other Sony remotes or universal remotes to get around this issue, but I am not sure how true this is.

Can anyone possibly identify a model (or one close enough) that I could purchase the remote for that should work on this TV? I know very little about CRTs, so any help with me greatly appreciated.

>> No.2265368
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>>2265364
Here is a picture of the front panel, just in case this would help narrow down what model this is.

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>>2265368
And another picture showing the issue I am having. I am playing on PAL, so the black borders on the top and bottom aren't a problem, but you can clearly see the image is not centred.

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2265529

>>2265387
While I can't confirm without a doubt, Sony's remotes do seem to work universally among their sets, from CRTs to flatscreens and even some other misc electronics equipment.

I don't have any real experience with those mid 90s black cased sets, but it wouldn't surprise me if you actually needed to open it up to make such adjustments.

>> No.2265569

>>2265364
>It has had the sticker on the back with the model number removed
These fucking niggers/kids.

>I have been reading have said you can use other Sony remotes
Yes, but you might get unlucky and get a remote that won't help you to adjust the picture (like brightness, contrast) or let you tune the channels.

>>2265368
Looks late 90s to me.

>>2265387
This is clearly composite, and the one coming from the SNES should be centered.
There might be a service menu to adjust this, everything else looks good enough.

>> No.2265683

>>2265364
You should be able to do all the necessary adjustments in the service menu. While I haven't seen this exact model before, it looks similar to my own Trinitron which is also from the mid/late-90's. The remote I have is RM-883.

>> No.2266061

>>2265683
speaking of service menu, I'm trying to tweak geometry on a KV29LS35B but I can't seem to save any modifed setting tried all kinds of buttons on remote but I'm back stock if I exit menu or turn off....

>> No.2266123

>>2265364
>>2265368

What an absolutely bizarre coincidence, I just finished working on my own Trinitron's picture. Mine had pin-cushion problems, and something about bowing?

Anyway, I had a bitch of a time trying to find my TV's correct remote model.

What I ended up doing was going to google, and searching for my TV's model name, with the word remote.

So I entered 'KD27fs170 remote' into Google. In Google search I found images that listed remote serials/IDs/Models w/e. Then I just google'd that model ID and found the correct remote.

One thing I did find that I could not use a DirectTV universal remote to access my TV's service menu, but using the correct Sony remote I was able to access it.

Sony does make their own kind of Universal Remotes that are supposed to be able to work on all of their TVs. It may be what you need. However finding a way to access your TV's service mode, if it has one, is another story.

>>2266061

Muting + Enter. Saves it to the TV's memory

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

>> No.2266196

>>2265364
Just about any sony remote should work. I got one with a Trinitron and it has worked for 2 others that were about 5 or 6 years apart. You can probably find one a goodwill for $1.

>> No.2266221

>>2266123
doesn't work...
mute hides all but current setting to adjust, enter (well the closest, which is ok button) brings me back to menu root, but if I exit menu or power off, no changes are saved...

>> No.2266245

>>2266221

Your TV is a WEGA, right? Did you try pressing Muting + Enter (ent) at the exact same time?

>> No.2266257

>>2266245
it's a FD trinitron, but not a WEGA

>> No.2266259

>>2266257

What key combination did you use to enter service mode?

>> No.2266261

>>2266259
i+,5,vol+,"blank square" icon

Tried exact same time, held, nothing happens

>> No.2266285

>>2266261
Ok I got something, it doesn't let me save 60 hz settings for some reason (it's a euro TV). when I change a setting with console off, they're saved. Is there a option for this somewhere in another menu?

>> No.2266308

>>2266285
> it doesn't let me save 60 hz settings for some reason (it's a euro TV).
This is most likely normal, and mentioned in the service manual for sure.

>> No.2266324

>>2266308
I wish it was
http://www.go-gddq.com/upload/2011-05/11053014104819.pdf

>> No.2266358

>>2265569
>>2265683
>>2266123
>>2266196
Thank you all for your replies. I have found a similar looking TV on eBay which appears to be a KV-T29, and has an RM-870 remote. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SONY-TRINITRON-KV-T29-/121581019551?

With that figured out, my next question is how would I enter the service menu on this? Search engines aren't giving me much of a result, so I was hoping someone on /vr/ might be able to point me towards a resource that could assist me.

>> No.2266375

>>2266308
OK that was fucking unbelievable, I was trying to adjust the h center because it's the easiest to confirm. It kept reseting.
Turns out it was because it's the only setting you can adjust in the regular menu.... Almost pulling my hair on this one.
other settings seems to save.

>> No.2266401

>>2266358
i dont know much about CRTs, but i was scrolling through /vr/ and saw this thread and the issue you are having. are IR remote control apps for smart phones an option at all? i'm able to control mine with basic functions from an app on my phone... no idea about this service menu thing, however.

>> No.2266412

>>2266401
Hmm, I'll look into this now. From what I have read, service menu requires you to press a certain combination of buttons at the same time, unless I am mistaken. Most smartphones don't allow for multiple areas of the screen to be pressed simultaneously, so it might be able to function as a remote, but not get me into the service menu (even though I'm not even sure what combination I need to press to access it).

>> No.2266426

>>2266358
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

>> No.2266434

>>2266426
>[PWR OFF] - [DISP], [5], [VOL+], [PWR ON]
>-or-
>[PWR OFF] - [DISP], [5], [PWR ON]

I assume these need to be pressed simultaneous? I installed an IR app as >>2266401 suggested, and it's working, however the Display/Info button on the app does not do anything, even though the LED on the front panel flashes indicating it was received.

>> No.2266448

>>2266434
not simultaneous

>> No.2266459

>>2266448
I am still fiddling around with this IR remote, but whenever I press 5 it turns the TV on. Is this meant to happen before I finish pressing the other buttons?

I'm also wondering if the Display/OSD/Info button on this app is functioning correctly, as I said before it does not bring up anything on screen, but the LED on the front panel does flash.

>> No.2266461
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2266461

Where can I get an inexpensive degaussing coil nowadays? A 27" Trinitron I picked up yesterday is in serious need of demagnetization on the corners of the screen. Sadly, I'm not tech savvy enough to build my own.

>> No.2266564

>>2266459

No.

You wont get an IR app to get into a Sony service mode. Sony service mode requires a legit Sony remote.

And you start with the TV powered ON. Then you power it OFF. Then you press DISPLAY, then THE NUMBER FIVE, and then you press POWER ON.

Or if that does not work, you use the combination with VOLUME +.

>> No.2266567

>>2266461

How old of a Trinitron are we talking about here? I have a cheapass Insignia CRT from 2005, and it can degauss itself just by power cycling it.

>> No.2266605

>>2266564
Strange, all the functions seem to work fine in the app, just pressing 5 turns the TV on automatically. I am hoping I don't have this issue with an actual remote.

I guess I'll have to go and buy a remote, then. Thanks for your help.

>> No.2266624

>>2266605

Dude. I've already tried it with a universal remote. Shit doesn't work unless it's a legit Sony remote.

And your app is fucked anyway. Go hunt down the proper remote and stop dicking around.

>> No.2266693

>>2266624
Hunting one down now, the only legit RM-870 I can find is $50 which is an annoyance, but I guess that's the price you pay for mid 90s tech these days.

>> No.2266698

>>2266693

There are forums for everything on the web. There may be another Sony remote you can use in it's place.

>> No.2266716

>>2266698
I've been reading on the Neo Geo forums a lot, some people have mentioned these replacement third party remotes that work, but also are not universal remotes.

Found a couple on eBay, considering just biting the bullet and buying one of them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-FOR-Sony-RM-859-RM-861-RM-862-RM-869-RM-870-RM-871-/271501303753?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f36bd1fc9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Control-for-Sony-LCD-LED-TV-RM-857-RM-858-RM-861-RM-862-RM-869-RM-870-/221472710301?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3390cd5e9d

I'll keep digging around and find out if there is another Sony remote I can use, but these kinds of Trinitrons released in Australia are hard to find information on.

>> No.2266735

>>2265245
Can someone help me out? I just need to know if all HD crts display 240 lines incorrectly

>> No.2266816

>>2266716

If you feel the risk is worth it, and the alternative is cheap enough, it may be worth trying.

$50 is pretty damn steep for a remote. But looking at your picture, it doesn't seem that bad. You should have seen my Trinitron. The geometry was hella bad.

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2266890

Excuse the bad picture, but why is my TV cutting off the top and corners or my screen?

>> No.2266894

>>2266890
This question gets asked why too damn much. It's the overscan control. Change the aspect or what ever your TV calls it.

>> No.2266914

>>2266894
Calm down lil' feller.

>> No.2266938

>>2266816
I just bought one of them, I'll let you guys know how it goes when it arrives.

>> No.2266984

>>2266567
The internal coil isn't always strong enough to clear up heavier cases of discoloration.

>>2266461
Fry's has one for $40 that I've been looking at for a while. A corded drill will supposedly work in a pinch.

>> No.2267072

>>2265387
Are you emulating SMW from Wii? That doesn't look like 240p, that looks like 480i.

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Wouldn't you know my internet would go out right as I wanted to post something.

>> No.2268774

total newby here
I've read over the pastbin, and I was wondering if you actually have to mod the consoles so that they output RGB/S-video etc. or do you have to just get an adapter?

>> No.2268790
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2268790

>>2268774
Some consoles require modding in order to get RGB(and some need it for S-Video as well) but quite a number support both straight up and just need the proper cable and a TV with the given input.

>> No.2268809

>>2268774
retrorgb has most all the information you'll ever need to know.

>> No.2269225

>>2266716
Do you have a Goodwill? Check there, I'm sure you'll be able to find one. I see them all of the time at all 7 of the Goodwills around me. If you can't find one I'd be willing you ship you one some how if you'd trust something like that and you paid for it.

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2269662

how is something simple like this for making retro systems look good on lcd screens? i have a framemeister and it's great but it's kind of a hassle sometimes and would like to have something simpler maybe

>> No.2270167

>>2266890

Your TV's picture geometry is a little bit fucked. There's an option int he WEGA service menu that can fix that issue. It just tilts the image a bit.

Maybe your Toshiba has a service menu to fix it.

>> No.2270271
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2270271

looking over this sweetness on facebook for only $8, is it worth it?

can i connect it to Composite or use it as a regular TV like a PVM?

>> No.2270279

>>2270271
No. It's a PC monitor, so it will only work with PCs unless you go through a gamut of converters.

I have one that's extremely similar, and it's awesome, but that one looks to be in very rough shape. Try before you buy.

>> No.2270336

>>2263075
be warned I think there's some incompatibilities with S-video on SMS

>> No.2270734

what's the best sound system I can use with my bvm? I have one coming in a week

>> No.2270850
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2270850

I know this general loves its PVMs and other high-end CRTs, but does anyone here keep old, shitty TVs as well, like what most of us actually used as kids? I'd imagine they're good for the older consoles, which do not benefit anywhere as much as the MD and SNES and forward from sharper displays.

>> No.2270868

>>2270850
That's actually a pretty sexy box that has a nice antique aesthetic to it. The sets I grew up with were fugly 90s black plastic boxes with buttons, not knobs. Not worth keeping at all.

>> No.2270897

>>2270734
What do you mean best? There's a ton of options. Depends on your application and needs.

>> No.2270941

Is there anything I should absolutely not do if I want to open up my PVM and fiddle with convergence etc?

>> No.2270950

>>2270941
Not accidentally kill yourself would be a good idea.

>> No.2271094

>>2270950
By taking what precautions?

>> No.2271107

>>2271094
Not touching the high power bits.

>> No.2271110

>>2271094

Not him but:
- wear isolation glove (the pink rubber ones can do the job)
- only work with one hand
- look at what you're touching.

>> No.2271148

>>2270850

I'd love to find this kind of sets without those crappy "VINTAGE" buzzwords and awfully high prices, like, these would make great sets for an Atari 2600 or a Colleco vision, or maybe really old audiovisual equipment.

>> No.2271203

How do I utilize the interlacing shader on a crt monitor without having my eyes raped?

>> No.2271214

>>2271203
What do you mean?

>> No.2271220

>>2271214
The thick solid black lines hurt my eyes.
Also increasing the monitors brightness makes the colours wash out since utilizing those scanlines makes everything too dark.

>> No.2271226

>>2271214
I think he means he can't get it to work right.

>> No.2271229

>>2271220
You're emulating scanlines on a CRT?

Putting scanlines on a image will make it darker but unless you like your display super bright it shouldn't be a problem.

>> No.2271231

>>2271229
I'm using a PC CRT monitor not a CRT TV.
Am doing everything described in this section of the article.
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation

>> No.2271241

>>2271231
Oh ok. How are you adding the scanlines? Is it emulation or are you using hardware like a slg?

If emulation I don't know.

With the SLG type devices you should have no problem unless you either like eye bleed brightness (most people leave their TVs at that kind of level) or your monitor/TV just isn't putting out that much light. The brightness wont do anything. That doesn't really effect the actual light output. Try the contrast.

>> No.2271242

>>2271241
I'm adding the scanlines with the shader section of retroarch.

>> No.2271246

>>2269225
That'd actually be really awesome. If you happen to see an RM-870 for a reasonable price I would be happy to compensate you if you were willing to ship it to Australia.

We have something called the Salvation Army here which is similar to Good Will, but my local one doesn't stock TV sets.

>> No.2271249

>>2271242
If they're working by overlaying lines like the SLG devices do. Simply adjusting the intensity will fix the issue with them being overly dark. Probably make them smaller too.

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2271296

I was messing with the sweetFX shader.
And holy shit, i kind of like it.

I don't feel like using my consoles lately, does the pic looks good for a crt emulation ?

>> No.2271301

>>2271296
The scanlines should be uniformed.

>> No.2271309

>>2271110
Thanks anon, will try

>> No.2271314
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2271314

Australian Philips Matchline TV for sale in my area, is this likely to have scart anon? Looks just about the right age to me.

>> No.2271319

>>2271309

Oh, I forgot, alway put your non-working hand in your pocket or just away.

>>2271314

Ask the owner for a photo of the back, I don't know if Australian models of Philips TVs do have SCART sockets.

>> No.2271327

>>2271110
I'd add:

Don't touch anything unless you know it's not going to get you, and even then before you do anything make sure you know how to undo it first.

>> No.2271329

>>2270850
Good for nostalgia, bad for picture quality.

Bad picture quality is part of nostalgia.

>> No.2271330

>>2270897
Well what's a good set of speakers without spending too much.
If there's an official brand for Sony bvms Id get it. What speakers do you guys use with your pvms/bvms?

>> No.2271332

>>2271314
Very few sets in Aus ever had Scart, and those that did were often Eurobrands like Grundig and Loewe.

I know nothing about that Philips, so do as the other anon suggests and ask.

>> No.2271336

>>2271330
Jesus, anything will work. How much do you want to spend, how are you going to power them, what connections do you want - RCA from your consoles?

Just remember to keep them away from the CRT cos of magnetism, and especially so for anything bassy like a woofer. Won't hurt in the very short term, but why risk it.

>> No.2271340

>>2271332

Philips is an Euro brand though, so there's a chance it might have a SCART socket.

>> No.2271342

>>2271330
Just look for something good quality. Unlike something like the 2030/2530 sets which had speakers meant to clip right on the sides, I doubt BVMs had anything pre-defined for use with them.

>>2271336
If they're shielded speakers, there shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I use a pair of floorstanders from the 80s, which are in no way shielded so you'd need to keep something like that at least a bit away.

>> No.2271358

>>2271319
>>2271327
I just want to fiddle with the screw things (if there are any) so shouldn't be a problem

>> No.2271397

>>2271358
Make sure you note where they all are before you start?

>> No.2271402

>>2270850
Wish I still had mine. I'm using a 27 inch CRT now, my only remaining CRT, but it's just too big for retro games to look really good on. I've come to find that smaller sets are best for 8 and 16 bit games. The less the picture is blown up, the better.

If you look at old game commercials, or look at the demo displays they used to have in stores, the were all smaller CRTs. It's what they were meant to be played on.

>> No.2271450

Are there any digital convergence settings for the PVM L2/M2 models or am I gonna have to open it up to make adjustments?

>> No.2271456

>>2271330
I really like the speaker in my PVMs, the only issue is there is only one of them. It's far from high fidelity, but it's got just enough tin and accuracy to be brilliant for most of the stuff you'd want to use a PVM for.

So to answer your question, a second PVM. If only I could disable the whole picture instead of sending it a blank signal.

>> No.2271558

I finally got an old CRT hooked up a couple months ago because of /vr/ and I've been using with my Genesis, emulating with my Wii, and watching . I think it's just some Philips Magnaov "Smart Screen". Pretty sure it's just mediocre or shit, but god damn if Gain Ground and Super Metroid don't look better on it than my 60 inch wide screen.

So, yeah, thanks /vr/. Mostly just saying since this I don't have a proper camera to take picture with. Just a 3DS one.

>> No.2271560

>>2271558
*watching 70's and 80's anime.

>> No.2271572

>>2271560

Way to go m8, old CRTs are the best way to watch these shows, even 25fps content is smooth these.

>> No.2271580

>>2251508
Odd, I've been watching Zeta Gundam with Mplayer and it's been working just fine for me.

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2271583

>>2271558
>>2271560
Very nice! I just bought a Pioneer LaserDisc player and I got a hold of the first 7 discs of my favorite anime.

too bad they don't have subtitles and I can't read moon

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>>2271580
It really all seems to vary from file to file. Some work fine, others not at all.

I'll get a PC to work with the PVM eventually, but until then, the laptop connected to the Megaview will do.

>> No.2271604

>>2271583
Did you become the little girl like you always wanted, moot? I hope you're doing well.
>>2271572
Well it isn't really that for me. It's more that if it's just on the TV, I can't get distracted by computer shit. That and reminds me of when I was a kid and used to pick up shitty 80's OVAs on VHS at the dollar store.

If I do pick up a half decent camera soon I might try some do some screenshots for Aim for the Ace or Rose of Versailes since as static as those shows look, the stills can be just lovely.

>> No.2271689

>>2271203
>>2271220
>>2271231
>>2271242
Don't increase brightness beyond a certain point, or you'll ruin the blacks and wash the whole picture out. Instead, start low and increase it until you can tell the inserted scanlines are becoming gray (should be easy if you pay attention to the REAL 480p scanlines around the inserted ones), then adjust as necessary. If you find the picture is still not bright enough, try increasing the contrast next. Too much contrast can make bright pixels look too bloomy, though, so your mileage may vary. One further adjustment you can try is to max out the color intensity. Again, this may mess with the colors a tad bit, but if you're ok with a cooler picture, it can help.

My Mitsubishi monitor has a setting called SuperBright that really helps with this kind of thing.

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>>2271580
Funny, I've been watching Zeta Gundam hooked up to my CRT as well. Glad I still have a laptop with s-video out.

Not a fan of Mplayer or VLC because of a lack of anvanced subtitle control, among other things, but an old version of KMplayer works fantastic besides not being able to display fancy subtitle effects, which, as far as I'm concerned, is usually a good thing.

Though I'd rather use a decent CRT computer monitor for this kind of thing, but I got rid of mine ages ago and it's hard to find people willing to part with a good one these days. HD 4:3 anime on a Trinitron computer monitor and a good speaker system I'm pretty sure would be bliss.

>>2271596
The Wii is pretty terrible for playing video files encoded within the last few years because everything is h.264 these days. which nothing on the Wii will play full speed as far as I know. Make sure to check to the codec...xvid or divx should almost always run in SD on WiiMC.

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>>2271804
Both the G Gundam episode as well as Gundam Wing episode played fine (the former in WiiMC, the later needed MPlayer)
It's not great, but it does work at times.

>>2271804
>Though I'd rather use a decent CRT computer monitor for this kind of thing, but I got rid of mine ages ago and it's hard to find people willing to part with a good one these days. HD 4:3 anime on a Trinitron computer monitor and a good speaker system I'm pretty sure would be bliss.
Getting the Megaview set up at a more comfortable eye level and a comfy chair/couch will be perfect for that type of stuff.

>> No.2271875

Can someone recommend me a good PS1 RGB scart cable? I'm gonna connect it to my PVM

>> No.2271970

Scart Hunter dude has learned how to wire rgb lines directly into the video IC of cheapo tv's. This essentially makes any crt into an arcade monitor. I want to try this when I have some time. I found this forum thread that shed some light on the subject: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4159.0

Doesn't seem too tough. Too bad there is no detailed guide on this.

>> No.2272029

>>2271875
There's a German company that makes them but I don't think they export.
If you're American like me then retro console accessories makes very small batches of them. The last one of about 30 sold out in hours. She is having problem finding PS1 connectors. The last one she took component cables and used the connector.

So send her a msg about them.

>> No.2272089

>>2272029
Do you have a source on this german company, I live in the Netherlands

>> No.2272102

>>2272089
No idea how good the quality it.
http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/8658/product/kabel-psx-1,-psone,-ps-2-rgb-%3Escart-2m-optimized.html

>> No.2272103

Don't forget to use madVR+Reclock to prevent tearing where possible.

>> No.2272182

>>2272029
I'd love a source of connectors too. I bought two cheap, unshielded component cables in order to use the fully-populated plugs. It'd be nice to have spares for future projects.

>> No.2272185

>>2272182
For now the best best is buying component cables and using that plug. Until someone makes a special order for PlayStation plugs anyway we wont see any.

>> No.2272362 [DELETED] 

[relevant to this thread because the only people who care about it anymore are CRT folks]

WiiMednafen. the easiest way to get Game Boy/Color/Advance games to display in 240p (double-strike), apparently hasn't been updated past version 0.1.1, even though it would seem a 0.2 version was ready to be released according to the Google Code page.

So is this version out there somewhere? I'd love to see better compatibility for GBA games.

>> No.2272403

>>2272362
This is the CRT thread. Not the emulation thread and not the non Retro GBA thread,

>> No.2272634

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM20M4U-NTSC-CRT-PROFESSIONAL-BROADCAST-COLOR-VIDEO-MONITOR-/251867621945

$150 for 20 inch PVM, he has a make offer button though so maybe you can get a better deal.

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2272736

>>2270850
Nice man. I recently picked up this beauty myself. Cleaned it up, put on an RF to Coaxial adapter, and I can play almost any system on it now, with really shitty quality. Still love it though. I don't know why I can't find anything on the internet about it though.

>> No.2272742
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>>2272736
Here's the model number and stuff if anyone can help me.

>> No.2273283

I have a question
If I buy an HD CRT, in this case it would be a 29 inches Philips Cineos, that has an aspect ratio of 4:3, when I try to play hd games it will cut the corners, right?
And if I adjust the screen to display at 16:9, it will show the cut corners but the image will be compressed, right?

>> No.2273335

>>2273283
>cut corners
Sides, but yes, assuming the TV can handle both formats, it will either cut or compress, depending.

The wii will output in 4:3 if you tell it to, btw. Not sure about anything else.

>> No.2273336

>>2273335
oops, unless it letterboxes 16:9 with lack bars top and bottom.

>> No.2273465

>>2272403
I'd argue it would still sort of fit for GB/GBC uses.
RetroarchWii runs shit better, but the most recent release doesn't scale correctly for shit; The fix for that is supposedly even in the code now, just it hasn't been updated in forever.

>> No.2273468

>>2273465
If someone wants to talk about a filter sure.
Emulation using a CRT display is cool too.
Non retro stuff is just asking for the thread to get derailed.

>> No.2273541
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>>2273468
I get ya.

And of course, right as I made that post, I check my messages else where. Thanks bub

Someone has been working on getting a more up to date version of VBAGX working on the Wii. It apparently just updated a day or two ago with 240p support for both GB/GBC and GBA games.
Shantae is working full speed and the Sonic Advance games, which were quite slow in WiiMednafen without frame skipping seem to work pretty well; Not quite stable full speed without skipping, but much improved.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/new-vba-gx-fork-2-3-0.371284/

Remember to enable both 240p and fixed pixel mode, or else you'll get the same stretching that old VBAGX had.

>> No.2273559

Been reading a bit more at the neo geo place, and I've come to the conclusion that small internet forum drama is the absolute worst on the internet.

I really need to look into calling sony/olympus and asking what all they know about old model listings. I really want to make a huge comprehensive list of sony PVM/BVM models, at least ones released in the US.

>> No.2273572

>>2273559
As someone who frequents there along with Kya, I can atest to how weird the inner-drama is. People getting butthurt about seperate chat channels, and its really weird. One guy deleted a bunch of his PVM reviews due to drama which blowed cause I really liked them.

>> No.2274120
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2274120

Sorry for the cancer but look what was picture one on probably the shittiest site in the world...

>> No.2274138

>>2274120
hope that idiot knows PS2 can play PS1 games

>> No.2274146

>>2274138

>hurr you can't buy a PS1 if you already have a PS2

>> No.2274147
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2274147

>>2274138
He's posted here before.

I can't remember what his reasoning on using the PS1 was though.

>> No.2274185

>>2274147
>He's posted here before.
that's what i was getting at when i posted it here.

i wish that guy would come back and talk to us, i feel it was over a year ago.

>reasoning
i think he said something about an issue with 240p on a certain game or something, it's super fuzzy in my head though, unlike his sony

although i hate thechive and all the chiver faggots who want free shit because they have a sticker of bill murray on their car, i browse their shit on my phone while i poop.
i always find pictures i saw the previous day on 4chan, always, especially porn gifs that have tits cut out

>> No.2274293

>>2273572
Yeah that's the guy I wanted to ask about old PVM models. It seemed like he knew an awful lot about them.

Kya needs to hunt him down or something and drag him here for us.

>> No.2274535

>>2273572
>One guy deleted a bunch of his PVM reviews due to drama
Is that why they're all gone! I skimmed the forums and saw nothing much. What was the drama, i wonder?

>> No.2274556

>>2274535
Looks like he pissed off some mod. They seem to bitch about different chat rooms and stupid things like that.

It's all really silly. I've seen a few sorta small old forums like this and the inter forum drama they produce is, for lack of a better word, autistic. Imagine 4chan bitching about moderation, but the mods and janitors actually being as horrible as people say they are and the mods and janitors actually being able to respond and be horrible publicly.

Again, I'd really like to get in contact with the guy because he was a wealth of old CRT knowledge.

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2274879

Does anyone here know where to find a service manual for a PVM-9045QM? Or maybe how to get into the service menu? Spent the last couple of days looking for information.

Here's a picture of the front panel, if anyone can help me out.

>> No.2274916

>>2274879
>9045QM
I think that the manual for the 804*Q models would apply to that monitor pretty closely.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tsnd34y1j3bcd3x,ht7m5816tign7w8/shared

>> No.2274981

>>2274916
You're a wonderful human being. Thanks for that, unfortunately it seems there is no service menu to adjust the geometry on these sets. Oh well!

>> No.2275092

I have a question, please look at pic related

Does that mean that I can play 480p games natively on it, or that it can play them but upscaled to 1920 x 1080?
are hd crts the only thing that can play 480p in native resolution?

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>>2275092
I forgot to post pic related

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2275378

Not sure if this is the right place to post this...but here it goes. I have a RCA CRT TV that I got from my grandmother. It is a RCA 20v500t. The TV has a small overscan problem. For example, I was playing Ridge Racer for the PS1. I noticed the "Time" at the top was cut off a bit than it should regularly be.

Is there any way I can fix this overscan problem? Btw, there is no aspect ratio button on my TV's menu or remote anywhere.

>pic related, it's the tv

>> No.2275389

What is the best quality I can get for my PS1?

I have a CRT TV with one coaxial input, 2 composite inputs, 1 composite output, and one s-video input. I am planning on using my Playstation 1 for this TV. What is the best picture I can get using my PS1 and my TV with those inputs?

>> No.2275634

>>2275389

S-Video. Unless your '1 Composite' is actually a '1 component'.

>> No.2275647

>>2275092

It's an LCD m8, it WILL be upscaled no matter what resolution you feed it unless it's the panel's native resolution.

>> No.2275650

>>2275634

He said "1 composite output" m8.

>> No.2275684

We've hit bump limit and are nearly off the board. Here's a link to the new thread:
>>2275682

>> No.2275758

>>2275650
>m8
sheez, steady on, m8.