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Opinions opinions everywhere!!! Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:34:28 2015 No.2240509 [Reply] [Original]

So when do you guys feel is the cutoff, for retro games is. in my opinion i feel around 15-20 years is a good enough gap the least being 10 years if you're stretching it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:35:11 2015 No.2240512 Retro games will always be 5th and older. This is no old shit = retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:39:04 2015 No.2240518 I'm at the point I consider gamecube to be retro. I'd almost toss in PS2 if it didn't have such a long run.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:41:47 2015 No.2240524

>>2240512
ik that most today would consider the 5th gen to be the cutoff but i'm talking about year span wise what do you guys feel is the cutoff, cause remember kids 15-20 years from now will talk about the games of this generation about being old and retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:43:39 2015 No.2240527 >>2240524 There are far to many differences between 6th and the retro consoles. Like I said in the other threads and I'll continue here. Name me ten common attributes that 6th gen has with the prior generations that separates it from the later gens.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:47:00 2015 No.2240529

>>2240527
alright i hear you, in your opinion retro doesn't mean time wise but graphic and mechanic wise, but why. i mean sure there was a huge jump in graphics between the 5th and 6th gen and a boom of systems and companies trying to make their mark but other than that, why cant games today in the future be considered retro to you

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:48:40 2015 No.2240532 >>2240529 They have near nothing in common with retro console other than they're video games. Different playerbase, a different time, different way of playing, and a different line up of games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:55:02 2015 No.2240538 Listen, I get it, people want to wax nostalgic over GBA, Gamecube, omgps2xbawks. Face it, it isn't retro. Maybe... MAYBE when you start hearing Nirvana on commercial classic rock radio stations, but not now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:56:50 2015 No.2240539 >>2240532 ok cool i was just curious what others thought, even though your just 1 anon so to anyone else what are your thoughts

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 00:59:25 2015 No.2240543

>>2240539
I'm not saying all 6th gen games are trash either. I just don't consider them retro nor will I ever. I do think there's only a handful of worthwhile games though.

If someone actually explained why it should be retro other than the "old shit = retro" fallacy I'd be on board. There's just too many differences as said.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:00:06 2015 No.2240547 >>2233427 >>2240538 dude i hear nirvana on a classic rock station here everyday theyre old man

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:05:02 2015 No.2240552 >>2240547 Hmm, I guess kids don't know how to troll properly either.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:10:44 2015 No.2240561

>>2240539
i feel like gba should count as retro pretty soon. maybe the diff generations of consoles should be grouped together for easier discussion, so everyone can discuss games from their own childhood. now in 2015 we have a lot of adults who played gba and ps2 when they were 5 years old so even if its not retro id like to see it get its own group u know. (still feels weird that people will call my ps3 retro some day, this thing even has a web browser for christs sake)

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:12:10 2015 No.2240565 >>2240552 i wish i was trolling but face it its 2015

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:12:16 2015 No.2240567 >>2240552 bro hes not trolling, i was flipping through the radio one day on the way to work and i heard the beastie boys playing on a classic R&B station, its happening anon the world is leaving you behind

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:16:49 2015 No.2240570 >>2240561 Fuck man, Just a year ago I could buy in store a DS that plays GBA games. Not retro enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:19:35 2015 No.2240575 >>2240570 And today I can buy a Wii U that plays NES games. Looks like NES isn't retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:27:39 2015 No.2240590 >>2240570 i can easily buy a nes in store not far from here but its still older than me

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:44:07 2015 No.2240608
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Everything 1999 and before, that's the cut off, it shouldn't change. That's retro. The end of the century. Everything before the year 2000. Doesn't change with time. That's retro.
There's no shifting of Victorianism, the Edwardian period, the Neolithic period in history. They're set in stone.
You can't arbitrarily take certain dinosaurs from the Jurassic period and put them in the Cretaceous period for your own means.
You want GBA, PS2 and Xbox discussion? Petition for a neo-vr.
They don't belong on /vr/
/vr/ is everything prior to 1999
That's it.
No compromise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:55:05 2015 No.2240619 >>2240608 Word

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:56:09 2015 No.2240620 >>2240608 What will the Gamecube be in 50 years then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:58:55 2015 No.2240626 >>2240620 Degenerate era.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 01:59:11 2015 No.2240627 Dreamcast shouldn't be Retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:08:25 2015 No.2240637 >>2240608 No compromise is not enough. We need to raise the wall higher and create a moat board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:09:25 2015 No.2240641 >>2240627 It isn't. Report any DC activity as it violates the rules.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:14:05 2015 No.2240647 >>2240637 >We need to raise the wall higher and create a moat board. >moat board Now that's funny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:16:42 2015 No.2240649 >>2240647 Why? Many of our problems wouldn't exist if there was something between /vr/ and /v/.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:17:05 2015 No.2240652

>>2240627
I have less problems with the Dreamcast being counted as retro than I do with the N64 and PS1, oddly enough. 5th gen feels like when console games changed stylistically enough to stop being retro, but I think of the Dreamcast as more of a home arcade machine than I do as a proper alternative to a Nintendo or Sony console, and arcades are definitely retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:17:44 2015 No.2240654 >>2240649 The best name for a board like that I've heard was /v2k/. It really makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:18:55 2015 No.2240659 >>2240652 >5th gen feels like when console games changed stylistically enough to stop being retro Can you support your opinion? My opinion they have a lot more in common with the prior gens.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:30:04 2015 No.2240678

>>2240659
A lot of long-running series made the transition from 2D to 3D in 5th gen, and most of them never looked back. Games became far more story-focused and cutscene-heavy, especially on the Playstation with all the FMVs and voice acting. The war between Sega and Nintendo calmed down, and Sony entered the fray. It feels to me like 5th gen started what 6th gen perfected, rather than being a wholesome upgrade over 4th gen.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:38:43 2015 No.2240689

>>2240678
I agree with some of that. There's still a ton and I say the majority of games weren't cut scenes based to drive a story.
With all the bullshit 6thgen talk lately I've been putting together a list of what makes retro game and console retro. Unique attributes about 1st gen to 5th gen that separates it. There's a lot in common with those generation.

Here tell me what you think. Add, remove, or whatever.

-Pre widespread internet of the early 2000s.
-Game magazines mattered. They actually got information before the internet or exclusive previews/reviews.
-Strategy guides were needed or extremely helpful and were actually something you could hold with pages.
-Proprietary game mediums. Games had their own special boxes or were at least packed in a nice box.
-top selling games being primarily platformers and action games.
-Games came with a worthwhile manual and were severely berated if they didn’t.
-A console was sold as a game console. Not a DVD player or a streaming media device.
-A new console was measured by bits.
-The arcades were still alive. The arcades still provided both advertising and demoing for games. Lastly the arcades still mattered for promoting how correct a game was.
-Graphics are simple and limited. Creators of the game must use creative techniques such as dithering. Example Sonic.
-If a game saved it used passwords, Memory Cards, or on board/on game saves instead of internal hdd.
-Console mascots
-SD resolutions
-no DLC
-no online connectivity or LAN

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:40:15 2015 No.2240693 >>2240608 Retro is not a period, it's just a nostalgic fashion. Every new generation defines what's retro, not you.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:45:17 2015 No.2240697

>>2240693
Retro is not a period, it's just a nostalgic fashion.

This. This whole conversation is stupid because this board is based on an incorrect use of the term "retro." It's really "/vr/ - Old Games" with a date cutoff. Which is fine, because people use "retro" to mean "old" in conversation all the time, but it makes having a conversation like the one OP is trying to start pretty dumb.

Any game that is imitating an older style is retro. Tons of modern indie shit is retro.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:46:53 2015 No.2240702

>>2240608
You're right about what is retro for /vr/ at this moment but that's not what "retro" is as a term. Retro is defined relative to what is considered modern now. It's not a period like the Victorian or Edwardian. Especially not since retro meant something different in the 70's-80's or even nineties compared to now. Those 3 decades being when the majority of this board's subject matter was made.

Retro is not the name of that era it's just what we call it for now. It's just the name we use for what is recently past modern. If we're going to define this board by the term "retro" then we'll have to deal the fact that what is retro is always going to change on us. Unless we make the rest of the world change to suit us.

Which I guess means we'll need a name for the 70's-90's era of games eventually. Hell, it could use some clarifications now. Suggestions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:49:27 2015 No.2240707 >>2240702 >>2240697 >>2240693 Retro games is just a name for a time of games that shared much in common. Pre 2nd millennium. Anything after does not have much in common. It's not a collect all throw your old shit in this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:52:58 2015 No.2240715 >>2240707 Yeah but it's an ambiguous name that creates confusion. Hence this whole argument. It's something that we should be able to fix for christ sake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 02:55:33 2015 No.2240721 >>2240715 It's like classic car. It's up to the community to sub divide it. Like traditional hotrods. For now though retro video games works.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 03:17:51 2015 No.2240746

>>2240721
For now.

I'd still like to try and come up with a name though. Because what are considered retro video games now are pretty different from the 5th gen and later games.

Like what >>2240689 said. Though most of those points are very superficial. They (retro games) do have unifying themes that show up across all the different systems/generations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 03:27:10 2015 No.2240759 >>2240746 I've never actually heard anyone say retro and PS2. Seems to just be the people in forums that think retro = oldshit.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 03:27:43 2015 No.2240760

Sixth gen should only be allowed if we run out of things to talk about. That may happen in a few years (the board has gradually slowed down over time), but not yet. I'm not ready for CHIM and Halo.

Also, I have too many /vr/ games in my backlog to add PS2 games to the mix.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 03:42:25 2015 No.2240772 >>2240509 Anything before nes is a bore to me (minus a few exceptions like kaboom)

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 03:45:28 2015 No.2240776

>>2240759
Oh it happens outside of internet forums too. There's a retro game store across the street from where I live that sells everything from 2nd gen up. I've seen young kids, college students and parents all refer to games like Pikmin and Xenosaga 2 as retro. The employees there call them retro too though I don't know if that's just for the customers or something. I don't think anyone is fighting for a definition of retro games anywhere besides the forums.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 04:26:38 2015 No.2240826
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>>2240509
NaN/10
This isn't even worth giving a numeric rating at this point. It's just pathetic.

With regards to your topic: As long as we're all here in /vr/, the only relevant definition of "retro" is the one specified in the rules, regardless of how arbitrary it is.

I get it. There are games I'd like to discuss with /vr/os (which obviously doesn't include you or your ilk) that don't fall within /vr/'s arbitrary cutoff date, too. But because I'm not an entitled, spergy, idiotic motherfucking numbskull, I can comprehend that /vr/ isn't the proper forum for such, and don't discuss them here.

Let me reiterate what I said the last time you shitbags put this thread up: Your inability to find discussion of game that you're sperging about isn't /vr/'s problem, or 4chan's problem. Deal the fuck with it.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 04:46:33 2015 No.2240834

>>2240707
>Retro games is just a name for a time of games that shared much in common

lol no, that's simply false. There is MORE diversity in all the games that pass this board's standards for "retro" than the games that are out now. Games today are considerably more homogenous--not to the extent /v/ complains about, but more than pre-2000 older games, definitely.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 04:52:07 2015 No.2240836

>Retrogaming[edit]
>Main article: Retrogaming
>Retrogaming is a pastime which is becoming increasingly popular where individuals play video games on vintage computers or vintage game consoles; although what constitutes a vintage or retro machine is open to debate. Typically most retro gamers are interested in Atari 2600, Nintendo Entertainment System, Mega Drive, Dreamcast, Super Nintendo, and classic Game Boy games and consoles. Emulation often plays a part in retrogaming if the original hardware is unavailable.

Everything up to 1999

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 05:45:07 2015 No.2240870

I still think GBA ought to be added to complete the GB family. The style of games it has is very compatible with what gen 5 and down have anyway. It also pops up in discussions of GB's and discussion of ports of retro games to it all the time.

Can't it have an exception just like the DC?

PS2, xbawks and GC I can do without however, and should be outside the scope of this board.

>>2240570
By your argument we shouldn't be speaking of PS1 either since the PS2, which isn't considered retro, is backwards compatible with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 05:46:41 2015 No.2240872 >>2240870 The exception for the DC is that it's excluded despite being released before 2000. The GBA doesn't need that.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 05:50:19 2015 No.2240875

>>2240872
>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.
Uh, it's expressly included according to the rules.
Also there are DC threads all the time.
The reason for it's exclusion, if it was to be excluded, is it is considered a 6th gen console.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 05:53:19 2015 No.2240876

>>2240875
That's a sticky, not the rules.
https://www.4chan.org/rules#vr
We wouldn't need the ban on the sixth generation if the Dreamcast was alloed.
There are DC threads deleted all the time, just because some get overlooked doesn't mean they are allowed. This thread for instance shouldn't stay up either.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 05:56:40 2015 No.2240879

>>2240876
A sticky set up by the mods, the enforcers of the rules... a.k.a. it is a de facto rule.
Just because it doesn't expressly say it on the rules page doesn't mean it isn't so in practice.

Why would the mods even go to the lengths of creating a sticky like that if they didn't intend it to be representative of the rules they enforce?

I agree with you about this (shit-)thread though.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 06:02:47 2015 No.2240883

>>2240879
Because mods can't single handedly change the rules, only moot could. Some mod thought the Dreamcast should be allowed and tried to sneak it past the rest this way.
The practice is that Dreamcast threads get removed. For instance this one a few days ago:
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2235951/

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 06:08:43 2015 No.2240891 >>2240883 Well moot (or whoever it is now) probably isn't in as much contact with the board as the mods in charge over the board. See it as a local government sort of thing. Why hasn't any other mod changed/removed the sticky?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 06:10:26 2015 No.2240894 >>2240891 Janitors can't remove stickies and /vr/ has no mods.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 06:14:35 2015 No.2240895

>>2240894
Well, I don't mind the DC threads and would like to see the occasional GBA discussion, but it matters not more than having stone-set rules that the majority agrees on.

Retro gaming is frought with shitty discussion of what retro is and isn't, just like this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 07:05:40 2015 No.2240928 >>2240895 4chan isn't a majority rule-democracy (or at least, moot's 4chan wasn't), though. IIRC, DC got added only because DCfags annoyed moot badly enough to make him relent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 07:16:26 2015 No.2240934 If only it was called classic games or, even better, /pmv/, pre-millennium vidja. Then no one could bitch

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 07:34:11 2015 No.2240941 Oh look it's this shit again.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 07:35:05 2015 No.2240942
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People here clearly are divided, but it seems to me the majority of /vr/ believes "retro" to be from the first game created up to the dreamcast.

Maybe calling "retro" is the wrong thing. Maybe we should use different names. Like golden age of games, or "retro", while GBA/PS2/GC/XBOX and so, become eventually a "new retro" or "post retro" or something.

In short, something that says "Retro is from X to X generation, not what you feel is old."

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 07:41:31 2015 No.2240945 File: 247 KB, 504x388, itll-happen-to-you.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's over /vr/ bros. "I had it when I was little" now means retro here. It was good while it lasted.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:05:44 2015 No.2240960

>>2240883
Hey that was my thread, wondered where it went...

But seriously, the rules state "anything released before 2000", and last time I checked the Dreamcast was released 1998/1999, so why are threads deleted that totally obey the rules? And why shouldn't Dreamcast be a retro console if it was released before the new millennium?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:08:40 2015 No.2240962 >>2240608 Except retro isn't a defined period with a proper name, not like the respective console generations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:15:27 2015 No.2240971 >>2240960 The rules also state no sixth generation consoles and the Dreamcast was one.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:15:44 2015 No.2240972

Take the middle of a platform's life cycle (average of first release date and last discontinuation date), and check if it's 15 years in the past.

Sega Saturn = 96
SNK Neo Geo Pocket Color = '98 1/2
Nintendo 64 = '99 1/2
Sega Dreamcast = '99 1/2
Sony Playstation = '00
--------------------------------------------------------
Nintendo Game Boy Color = '00 1/2
Nintendo GameCube = '04
Microsoft Xbox = '04 1/2
Nintendo Game Boy Advance = '04 1/2
Sony Playstation 2 = '06 1/2

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:18:49 2015 No.2240974
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>>2240945
>"I had it when I was little" now means retro here.
That's what it always meant, the only difference being that oldfags had older consoles when they were little.

Imagine if some old fuck came along and told you that only things from before the great video game crash were retro. Sounds wrong to you, right? That's because most people connect retro gaming to their youth, and the rules they set for the definition of the word are just as arbitrary as anyone else's.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:23:53 2015 No.2240976 >>2240974 As long as console trash gets banned and we can talk about arcades and computers.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:25:35 2015 No.2240981

>>2240971
Well that's arbitrary. I still think the Dreamcast should be allowed on this board. I mean its SEGAs last console and it lived like what 2 years? Not including it would be like not watching the end of a movie. Dreamcast is the conclusion of the retro era.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:29:57 2015 No.2240984

>>2240836
>although what constitutes a vintage or retro machine is open to debate
>although what constitutes a vintage or retro machine is open to debate
>although what constitutes a vintage or retro machine is open to debate
The fact of the matter is that the common view of the term grows to encompass a larger spectrum as people get older. In the 90s the 70s were retro, in the 00s the 80s were retro, now the 90s are retro. You can't stop it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:30:08 2015 No.2240985 File: 2.58 MB, 3060x3700, dreamcast.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2240627 >>2240872 >>2240960 >>2240971 >>2240981

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 08:31:24 2015 No.2240986 >>2240608 >Everything before the year 2000. Doesn't change with time. That's retro. So 1999 was retro in 2002?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 09:11:29 2015 No.2241032 >>2240981 It should either have been allowed in the very beginning or it should have to wait the same time as the other sixth generation consoles. Arbitrary allowing after months of Dreamcast shitposting it just opens up a can of worms.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 09:24:02 2015 No.2241039

>>2241032
The rules are arbitrary as far as the board goes. The only reason there is a cut off anyway is to give an excuse to delete people who thinks its clever to post shit that was released last year or something. The board doesn't suddenly break down if we start discussing the Gamecube or Gameboy Advance.

The danger of not sliding the bar is that eventually /vr/ becomes another sparsely populated corner of the internet where the community circle jerks and people who don't understand the local definition of the word "retro" get pounced on and bitched out.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 09:27:20 2015 No.2241040

>>2241032
>Arbitrary allowing after months of Dreamcast shitposting
but it was valid shitposting about a console that fit the rules yet wasn't allowed.

check out that pic a few posts above, the dreamcast multiports came out first before n64/psx. that reason alone is enough for me to consider it retro.

but again, if this board was called anything other than retro we wouldn't have a problem.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 09:30:16 2015 No.2241042

>>2241039
Allowing the sixth generation and related PC games would cause a significant change in the board. Allowing the Dreamcast after all the shit DC "supporters" did opens the door to PS2 and GBA spam.
If you want more content it should come in small doses instead of opening the floodgates.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 09:44:44 2015 No.2241056

>>2241039
>The danger of not sliding the bar is that eventually /vr/ becomes another sparsely populated corner of the internet where the community circle jerks and people who don't understand the local definition of the word "retro" get pounced on and bitched out.
You seem to be implying that /vr/ isn't exactly like that right now. Also, judging by the way this thread is going, that doesn't seem like such a terrible thing.

What's the merit of having a constant influx of new people, anyway? "More" doesn't necessarily mean "better."

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:01:36 2015 No.2241064

I really do not mind one way or another, but I think it's pretty likely that 6th generation will be added here eventually. It wasn't too long ago that folks argued over whether 5th gen was considered retro or not, and now I rarely see such discussions. Expectations change over time.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:08:12 2015 No.2241073

Why are people so upset about the Dreamcast? It's an anomaly in gaming history. Got released in '98, died three years later, has more games in common with fifth gen systems than the sixth gen it never really competed in and just felt out of place in either generation due its timing. As for the fans of the system, they seem to mind their own business in their own thread talking about VGA boxes and reminiscing about playing online for the first time. It's a console that marks the end of the gaming century and a company's lifetime of home hardware manufacturing and, if anything, deserves to be preserved and remembered on those merits alone.

Honestly, I'd prefer that than threads of people wanting to yaff Krystal or arguments about how much better Smash Bros Melee was compared to Brawl that allowing the GCN will bring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:10:03 2015 No.2241076 >>2241064 It would be better if fifth generation was excluded since the cut at that point makes far more sense but there's little point in arguing about it here.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:15:50 2015 No.2241086

>>2241073
Because moot didn't want it on /vr/. People fought against spammers for months until a mod decided to stab them in the back. Allowing the Dreamcast means allowing GBA and PS2 sooner or later and encourages them to display the same behaviour that got the sticky changed.
Fighting the Dreamcast means fighting that.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:23:54 2015 No.2241102

>>2241086
It took until a new console generation to begin until the DC, and only the DC, was allowed here. If you followed the suspected pattern of one chronologically released platform per generation then it won't be until the 10th gen that the GCN will be allowed here and, if those gens last as long as 7th did, that won't be for another 16 years.

Calm your tits and play some Chu Chu Rocket.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:28:55 2015 No.2241109 >>2241076 Well that's sort my point. If you really wanted to you could probably make a strong argument for the cut off point being at any given generation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:30:06 2015 No.2241112 >>2241086 and after spamming DC, nobody is talking about it except for an odd thread every month

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:33:57 2015 No.2241117

>>2241112
this.

dreamcast discussion didn't open the flood gates as you fags like to say. the only time people say that is in shitty threads like these because it's their only argument, albeit incorrect.

it has more in common with the 5th gen than 6th, which is why i like to think of it as 5.5.

i vote to change /vr/ to /vc/ classic video games, or /vpm/ or /vp2k/ for pre 2k/millenium

the only issue here is that silly and arbitrary word 'retro'

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 10:43:15 2015 No.2241136 >>2241112 Because it was never about the Dreamcast. It was always about weakening /vr/'s rules.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:24:20 2015 No.2241198 File: 35 KB, 500x375, Cobra_commander.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2241136 Yes... and when the rules are weakened then the foundation will fall and your pitiful society will crumble at the feet of COBRA!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:40:54 2015 No.2241229 I'd say after the PS4/Bone/Wii U are done, let the rest of the 6th gen on here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:43:25 2015 No.2241234 >>2241229 No.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:47:37 2015 No.2241238 >>2241234 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:53:41 2015 No.2241250 >>2241238 see >>2240527

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 11:57:14 2015 No.2241256 >>2240512 >>2240524 I consider the 4th gen to be the cutoff for retro. The 3D Revolution is what separates retro gaming from modern gaming to me.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:03:05 2015 No.2241265

>>2240689
>Proprietary game mediums. Games had their own special boxes or were at least packed in a nice box.
>A console was sold as a game console. Not a DVD player or a streaming media device.
>If a game saved it used passwords, Memory Cards, or on board/on game saves instead of internal hdd.
>Console mascots
>SD resolutions
>no DLC

By those metrics, the Gamecube becomes retro.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:04:13 2015 No.2241271

>>2240760
>Sixth gen should only be allowed if we run out of things to talk about.
Sixt gen should NEVER be allowed as "retro" as they generally look and feel too modern and realistic, IMHO fifth gen is already pushing it.

However I think we eventually need a 3rd video game board for games that aren't quite retro yet but are bit outdated compared to current gen. IF it was up to me we'd have 3 video game boards like this:
/vr/ - Retro Games: for discussion about 1st to 4th gen games
/vmc/ - Modern Classics: for discussion about 5th, 6th and possibly 7th gen games
/v/ - "Video games": For general shitposting, meme of the week and occasional discussion about current gen games

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:04:18 2015 No.2241272
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>>2241198
>>2241136
>>2241117
>>2241112
>>2241073
The dreamcast was an unusual case and that has alot to do why it was allowed to squeak by the definition.

Its because its kind of a niche system now that most people sold off a long time ago.

The PS2 can still be found all over the place because of its popularity and library. Infact people are holding on to them the way we held onto our NESs from when we were kids because we are aware of how playable it still is

Since the PS2 is still in the intermediate phase of popularity I have no problem using it as a buffer between us and /v/.

OTHERWISE this board will become just a dumping ground for all the previous years consoles which will un doubt-ably let all the shitposts in along with it.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PS2 GO TO /V/
the gba is practically a snes so you wont be able to stop us from talking about it in threads but im glad the threads featuring it are deleted

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:05:09 2015 No.2241274 >>2241234 are u upset, grandaddy>?

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:06:31 2015 No.2241276

>>2241265
-Mini CDs are not a proprietary game medium.
-What mascot? Mario...
-Gamecube put out 480p on almost every game. AND had 16;9 on many.

The list is meant to be used in general not absolute. Just because 1 attribute is shared doesn't mean it's retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:06:42 2015 No.2241280 >>2241272 Strangely enough, very few people are asking for Xbox or PS2 to get added here. It mostly seems to be GBA and Gamecube.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:10:15 2015 No.2241285 >>2241265 This is not about specs.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:10:33 2015 No.2241286

>>2241274
I think this post here is a good example of why allowing PS2 etc on here is a bad idea. Threads about older consoles would become more likely to get filled with "lol grandpa and his NES XD" while PS2 and XBOX threads would flood the board, or at the very least perpetually fill the front page, thereby driving away some of the board's current users.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:40:02 2015 No.2241327 >>2241286 seconded. Put that shit on /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:43:57 2015 No.2241338 >>2240608 This. The style of gaming changed in sixth gen, it doesn't fit with the discussion of the board just because it's old.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:44:43 2015 No.2241340
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The mods could cut these threads out by making the following rule:

>any console 3 generations before the current one is allowed

That's basically what we have right now, but placing that on top of the sticky would help a lot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:54:10 2015 No.2241356 >>2241340 You're trying really hard to get that 6th gen shit huh kid?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:54:52 2015 No.2241358 File: 11 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2241340 I like that

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:57:10 2015 No.2241364 >>2241356 No, but that's the price I'm willing to pay, if it means stopping these threads for 4 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 12:59:29 2015 No.2241369 >>2241338 The style of gaming changes less between the fifth and sixth gen than between any previous gens. The technical leap shrinks with every generation. Some PS4 games look like PS3 games, and they all play the same way.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:01:35 2015 No.2241372

How do you feel about the situation with PC and arcade games? The board was created almost two years ago and the cutoff for them hasn't moved a single day.
Personally I'm fine with that. I like games like Diablo 2 or Deus Ex but I don't to post about them on /vr/.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:03:44 2015 No.2241380

>>2241369
>The style of gaming changes less between the fifth and sixth gen than between any previous gens
That's entirely bullshit.
6th gen brought in
-widespread DLC
-widespread internet and LAN
-consoles that sold solely as a DVD playyer
-480p and 16:9
-were graphical power houses. They even beat out the best PCs you could buy at their launch. No generation has ever done that.
-FPS became king
The list goes on.
5th gen has much more in common with the 4th and prior gens than 6th gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:07:24 2015 No.2241390 >>2241380 A Halo 2 map pack is not widespread DLC. You're thinking 7th gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:08:30 2015 No.2241392 >>2241390 How is DLC for the BIGGEST SELLING GAME OF THE GENERATION not widespread? Please explain. I'll wait.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:09:57 2015 No.2241394

1999 with leniency from time to time if the topic is good enough/related to the cut off in some way.
Rest of the sixth generation besides the Dreamcast should be allowed in 3-5 years.
I'm actually fine with the odd GBA/N*Gage/Zodiac being tolerated, if only because handheld systems tend to be a generation behind when it comes to tech, but I can live without that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:14:33 2015 No.2241407 >>2241392 Because A) It's one fucking game B) No one else was doing it at the time and 3) They later made it all free which is where the majority of people got it from

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:19:02 2015 No.2241418

>>2241407
>A) It's one fucking game
xbox live wasn't limited to one game. Also they had many demo DLCs.
>B) No one else was doing it at the time
PS2 with that mmo FF game and the Dreamcast had DLC on disc content.
>3) They later made it all free which is where the majority of people got it from
It's still DLC

Razz Wed Feb 18 13:19:22 2015 No.2241420

>>2241392
PS2s and Xboxes didn't have DLC. Xboxes had a fairly primitive version of Live that was mainly used as a patchtool. PS2 owners basically had to just deal with shit if their game was a bug ridden pile of shit - Burnout Revenge being a prime example.

Xbox owners complained of BR being a piece of shit and got a patch that addressed the worst of the gamebreaking bugs. PS2 users were invited to buy an Xbox.

Some Xbox first party games were given extra content via Live, which I guess you COULD argue is DLC, but it didn't fit the mode or market the way it works now, if only because this extra content was both minor or cosmetic, and more importantly, entirely free.

So while 6th gen may have helped ferry along the concept of DLC to 7th gen, it was neither widespread nor was it a concept invented by that gen (see Dreamcast and Seganet or whatever they were calling it.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:20:40 2015 No.2241424 >>2241420 XBOX live was huge and still is huge.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:24:20 2015 No.2241428

>>2241418
>PS2 with that mmo FF game
FFXI had expansion packs. Not a dinky little map for five bucks, actual expansion packs. Claiming those are DLC is like saying Quake had DLC. The entire Apogee collection is DLC since you can get each episode of their games separately.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:25:14 2015 No.2241432

>>2241380
>widespread DLC
Bullshit. The only console to have DLC in the first place was the Xbox, the others had no or no stock hard drive.
>widespread internet and LAN
Niche stuff except on the Xbox. PS2 network adapters are rather scarce these days, the Gamecube also needed an adapter and a whole FOUR games on it ran online, three of them Phantasy Star releases.
>consoles that sold solely as a DVD playyer
The PS2 happened to be cheap and play DVDs, so fucking what? You're acting like 90s consoles couldn't play audio CDs.
>FPS became king
Not for a long time. Now do you want me to list all the things the 5th gen revolutionized?
>full polygon rendering capabilities
>libraries consisting largely of 3D games
>analogue controls
>disc based distribution
>exchangable memory cards
Sounds a lot more similar to the 6th gen than the 4th gen, huh? In fact the 6th did very few things differently apart from having more power and reading DVDs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:26:19 2015 No.2241437 >>2241424 So are d-pads, does that make d-pads the devil?

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:28:49 2015 No.2241441

>>2241432
Consoles weren't sold as CD players, champ.

>full polygon rendering capabilities
What does that even mean? Full polygon?
>libraries consisting largely of 3D games
>analogue controls
>disc based distribution
>exchangable memory cards
Ok? And the other stuff you ignored from the original list that nothing in common except 1 or 2?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:29:57 2015 No.2241442 >>2241437 The xbox dpad is the devil. Fuck that piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:30:55 2015 No.2241445 lmao yeah, all that dlc on ps2 and gcn

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:31:52 2015 No.2241448 >>2241445 Man if I cherry pick from a generation then this generation sure is retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:31:55 2015 No.2241449 >>2241441 >Consoles weren't sold as CD players, champ. The Sega CD was.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:34:16 2015 No.2241453 >>2241449 "Buy this CD player! Oh but you'll need this game console first" Don't think so champ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:35:59 2015 No.2241458 >>2241448 >Cherry picking >2 out of the 3 main consoles, including the generation's top seller

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:36:46 2015 No.2241459

>>2241441
The issue is you're blowing up minor things and are trying to argue that DVD playback and some obscure network adapters to play half a dozen compatible games online with was a bigger step than switching to discs in the first place and fully rendering the majority of games in 3D, often with analogue controls. In fact the step from the fourth to the fifth gen might be one of the biggest yet, right between the introduction of exchangable cartridges in the 70s and the introduction of full online capabilities and downloadable games in the seventh gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:37:01 2015 No.2241460 >>2241453 >Buy this addon! >IT ALSO PLAYS COMPACT DISCS! >dancingretards.gif They did that shit with the CD-i, the LaserActive, the 3D0 and the CD32. The push for complete entertainment centers was around long before the PS2 was a cheap DVD player.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:41:04 2015 No.2241471

>>2241458
Your entire argument is based off one attribute.
>>2241459
Just because 5th gen introduced something huge doesn't mean it's drastically different from 4th gen. The games were played the same way. You needed a manual and a strategy came in handy.
Unlike 6th gen when it was just go online or hit the pause button.
>>2241460
It was around but the game console came first. Unlike PS2 which shared a large portion of it's sales to people wanting a DVD player

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:45:42 2015 No.2241479
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>>2241471
Yeah, because people noticed that the PS2 played DVDs and was the cheapest one at the time. They may have all been consoles first but it didn't stop them from putting their media capabilities in their marketing bullet points.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:47:02 2015 No.2241483
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>>2241441
Im going to assume you just didnt get to see consoles being sold as a CD players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhYheUhdMJ8

It was all the rage when they were new, just like DVD on the PS2

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:47:03 2015 No.2241484 >>2241479 Stick to mainstream consoles. I still haven't seen anyone give me those 10 attributes either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:48:09 2015 No.2241486 >>2241483 >It was all the rage Under 10k units were sold in American according to the wiki. I never even saw a CDX out of box until 10 years later. Stop

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:49:55 2015 No.2241487 >>2241460 >>2241479 >>2241483 CD mind

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:50:02 2015 No.2241490 >>2241484 >Stick to mainstream consoles. No. Fuck you. You will take what was made at the time. You can't just wave your hand and ignore shit that actually happened. >I never saw You're seeing it now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:53:10 2015 No.2241493 >>2241490 Keep your shit then. Still waiting on that list of 10.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:53:54 2015 No.2241495

>>2240509
Back when the PS1 was only out for a few years, 3 year old SNES games were "old" and "retro". So I think the cutoff should be based on hardware, not years.

At this point, let's obviously not allow the PS3 and such to be retro, but why not the PS2, Gamecube and Xbox? The types of games on them aren't really around anymore (because everything is a hallway simulator peekaboo shooter now), so why the fuck not let people talk about Ape Escape 3, Sly Cooper, Luigi's Mansion, MGS2, Tekken Tag, ect? They're old ass games now, no younger gamers will play them and they just don't make them like that anymore. Or at the very least, why not allow for more niche games like Kuon, Haunting ground, Roadkill. You know, games no one liked back then either.

Of course there will always be that "2D ONLY!!!!" sect of retards on here who can and will invade any and every thread with the word "Gamecube" (or whatever) in it to make SURE you know how they feel. But fuck them. Let them go back to trying to start up and then maintain serious threads on /v/ and see how long till they come crawling back begging for /vr/'s dick

Anyway, like I said, allow PS2, Gamecube, GBA, DS, PSP and Xbox discussion here. Or at least make an "in-between" board for those of us who don't just want to sit around sucking the SNES' cock all fucking day...

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:56:02 2015 No.2241497 >>2241471 >just because it's drastically different doesn't mean it's drastically different >muh manuals What games from the 5th gen even require you to use a note book and the manual (other than for copy protection)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:57:50 2015 No.2241498 >>2241486 Im not talking only about that console only. The whole generation was hyped for audio CD technology as a selling point. This isnt really a discussion m8 its just how it fucking was.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 13:59:51 2015 No.2241505 >>2241497 Most manuals told you combos, bit's of lore, and possible strategies along with the button layout. 6th gen not so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:01:26 2015 No.2241508 >>2241498 No not all. It was FMV that was cool for 5mins. The games being on CD was cool. The consoles that play CD people didn't care about. There was a thing back then called a walkman.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:04:22 2015 No.2241514

>>2240689
>>2241265
A lot of people bought the PS1 because it came bundled with a CD player. Is it not retro?
>>2241420
The Xbox may not have had a lot of DLC, and it may have been more akin to expansion packs (lord knows those Halo 2 map packs were godly), but it was by definition downloadable content. They didn't pull the bullshit you have in modern gaming, but it did set precedent.

I approve of GBA on /vr/ because it retained the design philosophy of the SNES, if a bit refined due to being more knowledgable about the art.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:04:47 2015 No.2241517 >>2241508 You're just a kid, aren't you? Lots of people used consoles for CD players back then. We thought we were the shit, living in the future.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:06:08 2015 No.2241521 >>2241514 >A lot of people bought the PS1 because it came bundled with a CD player No And you're still nit picking about 1 thing and no one has put out a list of 10. Damn kids just trolling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:06:42 2015 No.2241525 >>2241508 >The consoles that play CD people didn't care about. Goddamit dude people have already posted several relevant ads and videos.WTF is wrong with your head?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:07:29 2015 No.2241528 >>2241517 I had my walkman cd player. Why would I bug my parents in the living to play CDs? Have that was why better that a console. You're obviously born 99 or later. Or were which and had your own TV in your room.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:08:41 2015 No.2241534 >>2241525 They have to push something. NO ONE bought a SEGA CD just for the CD player. No one. Holy shit am I really having this conversation on /vr/ or all places? Damn. Still no list of 10.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:09:16 2015 No.2241535 File: 52 KB, 807x604, 1389080922604.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2241517 >>2241525 >>2241521 >>2241508 This is exactly why we need the console generation gap. ALL HAIL THE /VR/ MODS

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:09:46 2015 No.2241537 >>2241528 >Have that was why better that a console. wow auto correct fucked that one up Having that was way better than a console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:10:01 2015 No.2241540 >>2241534 So let's summarize this real quick. You really think that Sony making the PS2 play DVD and selling it for a low price somehow makes it not a console?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:10:05 2015 No.2241541 >>2241528 Not him, but a lot of kids I knew had those crappy 15-inch VCR combo TVs in their rooms, and they weren't rich.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:11:46 2015 No.2241546 >>2241540 Did I say that? No. List of 10? Or just more shitposting? >>2241541 Maybe by the late 90s. Those things weren't cheap when the SEGA CD came out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:14:13 2015 No.2241548 >>2241546 How about you come up with a list of 10 that's not irrelevant first? >muh manuals and strategy guides

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:15:25 2015 No.2241552

>>2241534
You may not have but some people did. Just because you never saw it doesnt mean its not real.

Call them idiots then I guess but back in Nineteen-Ninety-fucking-two I had maybe 2 kids in my school had a cd player so the prospect of owning a CD based console was mighty fucking awesome.

I think its time for you to go back to /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:16:04 2015 No.2241554 >>2241548 I already did. It's obvious you're part of the modern gaming generation if you don't care about manuals. It's more than 10 too.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:18:22 2015 No.2241559

>>2241552
CD consoles didn't become popular till the PS1. No one bought them to play CDs. The sales show this and me being from that time is telling you this.
You're STILL shitposting about 1 attribute instead of making a list of commonalities 6th gen has with retro consoles.
So I think it's safe to assume you're just here to troll.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:21:28 2015 No.2241560

>>2241559
The whole arguing point here isn't that the 6th should be considered retro, it's that if the 6th gen isn't considered retro, neither should the 5th gen because essentially it's very similar. Just look at the fucking Dreamcast, people still can't fully agree on whether it's a late fifth or proto six gen console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:21:39 2015 No.2241561 >>2241559 Dude fuck your list. >No one bought them to play CDs. How about you prove your shit first?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:23:48 2015 No.2241569 >>2241560 It's not and the 3 major 5th gen consoles all share almost every one of the attributes I listed to make them unique from 6th gen and later consoles. How the end product of the bit wars can not be considered retro is beyond me.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:24:51 2015 No.2241573

>>2241432
>PS2 network adapters are rather scarce these days
i have three, one from release, one i found for five bucks at a flea market and one was attached to the ps2 i just got from good will for 12.99

check ebay, they go for like 15 bucks.

would you like to buy my smb/dh cart? it's pretty scarce, only 100 dollhairs

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:25:25 2015 No.2241575

>>2241561
>Dude fuck your list.
Nice argument there champ. Really showed me.
>How about you prove your shit first?
You kids know how to wiki right? Go see the sales figures of the SEGA CD vs walkman sales.
Go see the sales figures of the PS2 vs DVD players during its release.

Then don't come back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:28:49 2015 No.2241580 >>2241495 >Tekken Tag TTT is retro, arcade was released in '99

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:31:12 2015 No.2241584 >>2241573 I don't even have an NES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:33:57 2015 No.2241592 >>2241575 >champ fuck that's worse than kiddo. stop it.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:35:06 2015 No.2241596

>>2241569
And I'll repeat to you that most of your attributes are minor stuff and that 3D games, disc distribution and analogue controls spelled a far bigger change than some Halo DLC or Phantasy Star online.

I mean, just look at the fucking games and tell me that the step from Super Mario World to Super Mario 64 is smaller than the step from Super Mario 64 to Super Mario Sunshine, or that the step from Link to the Past to Majora's Mask is smaller than the step from Ocarina of Time to Wind Waker.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:39:30 2015 No.2241606

>>2241596
They look different. 1st gen looks completely different from 4th. I still call them retro and they still have a lot in common.

All you argument comes down to is graphics. Indie games look like old games are they retro? You can even play them with a NES controller if you wanted.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:40:24 2015 No.2241609
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>>2241575
they are not comparable in that way. Walkmans were vastly cheaper so of course people are going to buy them more.

The ps2 sold a shit load of units because it was cost effective and was more usefull in general

Your arbitrary list of "10" wont prove anything the same way saying you know why people bought a system. It doesnt fucking add up

Razz Wed Feb 18 14:42:11 2015 No.2241614

>>2241424
I didn't say that. I said it was primitive.

>>2241514
Ok. Let's just say it was proto-DLC. The point is that it certainly wasn't "widespread." PS2 had none and sold like five times as many consoles as the other two combined.

Also Burnout Revenge on PS2 rustled me like no other modern game since.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:42:52 2015 No.2241617 >>2241609 Yet you can't even make a list of 10. You have no argument. 6th gen is not retro and never will be.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:47:34 2015 No.2241625

I feel like people are only trying to push the boundaries for what counts as "retro" as it pertains to this board because /v/ is such a shitty, non-video game related board anymore.

Which is no reason to make this board include more consoles/games, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:48:21 2015 No.2241627 >>2241617 Wasn't the argument that fifth generation shouldn't be retro?

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:48:29 2015 No.2241628

>>2241617
If you're going to make a claim, you need to be the one to back it up. You can't say '6TH GEN WILL NEVER BE RETRO PROVE ME WRONG' and be taken seriously, just as I can't say '6TH GEN IS RETRO PROVE ME WRONG'
The main issue here is obviously that 'retro' is a subjective term, but a bigger issue as far as this particular conversation goes is that you're being kind of a cunt and demanding everyone follow your personal guidelines for discussion. Nobody gives a fuck about your list.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:49:13 2015 No.2241632 How about this. It's retro if it has a print ad listing it as being an X-bit system (32bit, 64bit, etc). Because no one does that anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:49:49 2015 No.2241635 >>2241627 You said 5th gen had more in common with 6th. My list shows 5th gen has more in common with the prior gens and little with the post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:51:01 2015 No.2241640 >>2241632 So everything before the Mega Drive isn't retro?

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 14:52:21 2015 No.2241645

>>2241628
I made a list of over 10 items. I asked for anyone to make a list of 10.
Again I'll post
Name me ten common attributes that 6th gen has with the prior generations that separates it from the later gens.

No one has posted one. 6th is not retro because it has far more in common with the later gens and little with the prior.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:01:23 2015 No.2241672 >>2241632 Yeah because there was nowhere to go after that, even 64 bit was stupidly unnecessary for the time, we hardly started needing it on computers in 2010.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:02:30 2015 No.2241675 >>2241645 And the 5th is not retro because its innovations make it far more similar to following times than previous ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:04:03 2015 No.2241678 >>2241675 Are you going to provide a list or continue on this autistic trip of single example absolutes? You have no argument or counter argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:04:44 2015 No.2241679 >>2241678 >muh lists, muh lists, MUH LISTS, AND MY LIST IS BETTER THAN YOURS BECAUSE IT'S LONGER EVEN THOUGH IT'S FILLED WITH BULLSHIT

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:08:25 2015 No.2241691 >>2241679 Nice argument. Well I'll just browse the thread till it gets deleted then I guess. None of you kids have any kind of argument for 6th gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:10:05 2015 No.2241693 >>2241691 Fucking learn to read you stupid stubborn bastard. I don't even want to make an argument for the 6th, just against the 5th gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:12:10 2015 No.2241698 >>2241693 I can read. Your argument is that 5th gen is more like 6th gen. How does that not relate to mine?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:15:07 2015 No.2241709 >>2241483 That thing cost nearly 1000 yurodollars at release. Did it sell at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:17:30 2015 No.2241714 >>2241709 It's a very niche thing to own now, so I would guess not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:17:49 2015 No.2241715 >>2241698 There it is >I reject your reality and substitute my own

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:20:52 2015 No.2241721 >>2241698 Because >6th gen isn't retro And >5th gen is just as not retro as 6th gen are not quite in agreement, but also arent really in the same debate. Besides, he's critiquing your argumentation, not the content of your argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:28:29 2015 No.2241734 >>2241715 Are you high? >>2241721 He's not critiquing anything. His argument is literally "fuck your list". Still more and more people avoiding the argument and just strawmaning.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:33:28 2015 No.2241745

Maybe I haven't been paying attention in the past, but does it seem like there has been an increase "X should be posted about here because I want it to be talked about here, if you disagree you are simply wrong and deserve to be insulted" lately? I seriously do not see how those kinds of posts are any different than going on /s and complaining that people should be allowed to post nude men and if you disagree you are homophobic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:34:49 2015 No.2241747 >>2241734 Nobody is strawmanning, we just don't give a shit about your list. You can keep bitching and moaning about it until the thread 404s and we still won't give a shit about your list. I don't even oppose your view, I just think you're a dick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:35:06 2015 No.2241748 >>2241745 On /vr/ we are trying to keep the rules the same. That's the difference.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:35:08 2015 No.2241749
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>>2241734
AHAHAHA the what the fuck would you call what you are doing?
>I don't even want to make an argument for the 6th, just against the 5th gen.
>WELL ITS THE SAME THING!

you have dont that every step of the way. Why are you so stubborn?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:36:48 2015 No.2241752 >>2241747 >we just don't give a shit about your list. You are a child. You want to claim something is retro or not but you can even name 10 unique commonalities as to why they should be grouped into retro or not? Really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:38:18 2015 No.2241754 >>2241749 I didn't say the something. I said relate. How young are you that you have that shitty reading comprehension? Judging by the /v/ reaction image and greentext you don't need to answer that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:38:31 2015 No.2241756 File: 247 KB, 900x675, 1384736366686.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] janitors please

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:39:33 2015 No.2241760

>>2241748
That was exactly my point. Maybe I am not being clear, but I think the rules should stay the same. Demanding PS2 be post-able here is like demanding that dicks be post-able on /s, despite both being against the rules and clearly against the current spirits of the respective boards.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:39:43 2015 No.2241762

>>2241745
It has been increasing, which is kind of funny because it doesn't help their case at all. It just leads to things like the Smash community, where the very vocal and rude PM fans are effectively banned from the general. I personally think the GBA should be allowed on /vr/, and there's even some early PS2 titles I wouldn't mind discussing, but I'm not gonna call someone a faggot just because they disagree with me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:42:10 2015 No.2241764 >>2241749 ITT: /vr/ agrees the 5th gen should be the cuttoff but they still want to argue about it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:42:13 2015 No.2241765 >>2241752 Not him but fuck your list and fuck you. This is /v/-tier shitposting.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:43:08 2015 No.2241768

>>2240509
>>2240512
>>2240518
>>2240524
>>2240527
I consider gaming to have 4 eras.

1. Arcade era (pre-NES)
2. 2-D console era (8-bit/16-bit)
3. 3-D console era / Cinematic era (PS1/PS2 gens)
4. Online gaming era (last gen and current)

To me "old school"/"retro" means no later than the 16-bit systems. PS2 is starting to feel obsolete, but I wouldn't consider it "old school"/"retro".

>>2240608
I don't have any problem with that being the standard on the board, but it's weird to me that we can talk about PS1 but not PS2.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:43:12 2015 No.2241769

>>2241765
Great argument!
>>2241762
>I personally think the GBA should be allowed on /vr/, and there's even some early PS2 titles I wouldn't mind discussing, but I'm not gonna call someone a faggot just because they disagree with me.
Maybe you can provide 10 unique commonalities that separate it from the later generations?
Just because you like it doesn't mean it should be allowed in retro.
>>2241760
>That was exactly my point
I misread then. I agree.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:45:40 2015 No.2241774

>>2241752
It has nothing to do with being unable to put ten commonalities forward, I honestly think the year limit works very well. I haven't made a list because you've been pushing it very obnoxiously and have generally not made me want to give you the satisfaction.
>>2241769
>just because you like it doesn't mean it should be considered retro
I completely agree, and that's why I don't throw my shit at the wall whenever someone brings up the rulings on the matter.
>>2241764
Essentially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:45:44 2015 No.2241775 >>2241769 >ITT: /vr/ agrees the 5th gen should be the cuttoff but they still want to argue about it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:48:28 2015 No.2241779 >>2241774 If you want to group something they should have unique commonalities. If not it's just your personal agenda then,

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:48:50 2015 No.2241780 /vr/ should remain the way it is now. /v/ can have the current gen games. A third board can be dedicated to 6th gen (and eventually 7th once they bite the dust).

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:55:18 2015 No.2241793

>>2241779
My opinion is that the year limit does it's job, and contains most of what I would consider retro, with the exception of the GBA, which is essentially a SNES port machine with original games that contain many designs and mechanics that are retro in styling. I do not think it requires a comprehensive list to define why that one machine should have an exception made, and if moot/miyamoto/mr. hotpockets himself descended onto /vr/ and said 'fuck the GBA', I would accept it and not say a word.

Fuck your list though.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 15:58:33 2015 No.2241803

>>2241793
>My opinion is that the year limit does it's job, and contains most of what I would consider retro
I'd agree.
I don't know about GBA. I'm fine with it staying out so we don't the constant year argument applied to other consoles of the GBA age.

>Fuck your list though.
Fuck you guy.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:08:33 2015 No.2241820

>>2241780
The problem here is that we already have three vidya boards, four if you count the pokemon board, and with each additional split we lose userbase and gain another of the weird tribal factions that this site seems t accrue. At that point we might as well just make veechan dot org or something.
Maybe we should relegate it into /6thgen/ on /vg/ or something, but it'd most likely just turn into a tripfag circlejerk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:15:25 2015 No.2241845 >>2241820 Buddy if you're looking to avoid a circle jerk you came to the wrong place

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:28:06 2015 No.2241867

>>2241845
You have a point, but the miniboards on /vg/ distill into it so much faster than a normal board. You have about a week of quality discussion if you're lucky and then all but ten people get bored and jump ship while those ten people whip their dicks out.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:40:30 2015 No.2241886

>>2241820
Adding one more game board is no worse than the 20 porn boards already on 4chan.

/vr/ will never accept 6th gen and /v/ has no interest. A board specifically for games made from 2000-2010 would be perfectly acceptable. You get all of 6th gen and the first half of 7th (which /v/ also has little interest in these days) that way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:46:58 2015 No.2241896 >>2240608 this. id love to see a neo vr/v2k. the word retro is misused tho, its not a specific period but more like the term describing old stuff or old-inspired stuff gone popular, kinda

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:51:01 2015 No.2241898 >>2241896 /v2k/ sounds pretty good to me, could have the period between 2000-2010 leaving a good amount of wiggle room and leaving /v/ to be current shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:54:04 2015 No.2241905 >>2240702 20th century vidya? pre-2k? premillenial? gen1-5? none are great but my vote is on premillenial or pre2k

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 16:55:58 2015 No.2241909 >>2240984 they always say trends skip 10

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:04:20 2015 No.2241926 I'm content with it as it be now. I'd rather see a new board made for new millennium games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:08:09 2015 No.2241935 I think the cutoff should be -15 years of current date, going only by release date of the game. Going on a console-by-console basis is frankly dumb

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:11:25 2015 No.2241941 >>2241935 Personal agenda garbage.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:15:11 2015 No.2241945

>>2241941
isn't every post in this thread "personal agenda garbage"?

I just don't think it makes sense for games released for dreamcast from 2001-2013 to be considered retro while a PC game released in 2000 cannot. If the cutoff is 1999 then games released after 1999 shouldn't be retro, even if they're for dreamcast/ps1/n64/etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:16:20 2015 No.2241947 >>2241945 Consoles it's simple. PC and the handhelds it can be a different story. Good luck with the latter two.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:20:25 2015 No.2241949 /vr/ is fine the way it is. How about you fix /v/ before starting an individual board for each console. Or fuck Idc start a general over on the vidogame board no one uses and where its fucking allowed

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:24:17 2015 No.2241950
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I don't necessarily think a sliding scale should be implemented- this is /vr/ not /videogamenostalgia/.

Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox can get as old as they like, but I don't think they sit as well with 2d or arcade titles.

I consider GBA to be the knife edge.
It's too new to be retro but it doesn't really fit into the modern bracket very well, either.

Given that you'll find no worthy discussion of it on /v/, I think it belongs here. Though obviously we'd have to put it to vote or something so that when GBA enthusiasts want to discuss it, three quarters of the thread isn't angry people shouting at them for having the nerve to bring up a 2001 console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:33:18 2015 No.2241958 >>2241947 or you could just remove the per-console-basis of the rules and go simply by whether the release date was before/during or after 1999, regardless of system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:33:30 2015 No.2241959 >>2241949 /v/ is too fast to be fixed. The board has turned into a runaway chain reaction of shitposting, there are too many that don't want the board to be fixed and the options for tending an anonymous image board are limited.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:33:39 2015 No.2241960
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>>2241949
>start a general over on the vidogame board no one uses and where its fucking allowed
>no one uses

Oh, you mean /vg/ where a thread has twice the post limit and threads about a single game still 404 twice a day?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:39:56 2015 No.2241971 The truth is that we REALLY don't want the Halo generation here. I'm sorry GBA/PS2 bros, but we can't allow this board to go to waste just because you want to discuss some obscure GBA or PS2 titles here. You can always try at late night /v/.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:39:57 2015 No.2241972

>>2240509
Until the hipster fad I always thought "retro" meant more or less
>up to mid-80s

If it's not a shifting definition, a cutoff around 2000 is meaningless. Or, more properly, it only has reference to when the word's user was born & started playing games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:42:04 2015 No.2241975 >>2241972 The word's user is still moot in our context even though he has passed on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:43:14 2015 No.2241976 >>2241971 They can't be any more obnoxious than the doom fans here, but fuck it, they keep to their thread. There are many others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:43:37 2015 No.2241980 >>2241709 >yurodollars Do you even realize that every country had its own currency? How old are you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:45:29 2015 No.2241987 >>2241958 But then homebrew and hacks wouldn't be allowed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:46:41 2015 No.2241990 >>2241976 One bad thread is still a bad thread even if the other 149 are fine. It just serves as an entry point and justification for more shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:48:18 2015 No.2241997 >>2241987 Then it wouldn't be allowed. You could make an exception for older stuff, e.g. pre-94 hardware.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:50:10 2015 No.2242000 >>2241997 It's easier to limit it by consoles because then all the hacks, flashcarts, homebrew, mods, etc that are made after 99 can be allowed. Imo

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:52:35 2015 No.2242005 >>2242000 Mods, addon and hacks that aren't stand alone aren't a problem anyway. It's the stand alone titles that cause the disparity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:53:20 2015 No.2242007 >>2241976 When I say "Halo generation" I'm not just referring to Halo fans, but to every kid who grew up in a time where FPSs were the norm and barely know sidescrollers as "these old hard games my uncle likes to play, lol".

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:54:48 2015 No.2242009 >>2242005 Now it isn't for the most part. I just think /vr/ should have more defined rules.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 17:57:45 2015 No.2242020 >>2242007 We should just set the /vr/ gates on fire then. That way your strawmen have no hope of getting in to join the discussion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:01:42 2015 No.2242027 >>2242020 It's not strawmen, it's an actual generation that grew up with a completely different kind of media known as "video games" compared to the kind of stuff we grew up with.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:22:59 2015 No.2242069

Man I just want to discuss the Dreamcast with you guys because you are way more mature and knowledgeable than /v/. I think this is basically why people want other consoles to be discussed here, because they want a mature discussion, not that /v/ meme negativity shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:28:20 2015 No.2242072 >>2242069 I get that but bringing in xbox is going to bring in /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:29:34 2015 No.2242078 >>2242069 The more /v/ shit you drag into /vr/ the more /v/ shit you will find here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:31:46 2015 No.2242082 >>2242072 Which is odd, because typically /v/ shits all over the Xbox. Yes, it was a multiplat machine, but it was the best multiplat machine considering how snubbed PC was in 6th gen. And it had some decent exclusives.

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:35:08 2015 No.2242089
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>>2242072
I Know, that's why I would make the cut at the Dreamcast. It died before the XBox generation even started. And I don't think that allowing it would bring the XBox/PS2 lovers here. Those people usually are the kind that visit /v/. Dreamcast lovers and to an extent Gamecube/GBA lovers have a different, more appreciative mentality, which would't hurt mature retro gaming discussions (that doesn't mean I would allow gamecube/GBA discussion here, at least not for now).

Anonymous Wed Feb 18 18:35:14 2015 No.2242090

>>2242082
The whole point of /v/ is for modern gamers to shit on everything they play while they eagerly wait for the next CoD or HALO to come out.

I get into some hilarious arguments with modern gamers about micro transactions especially. The main theme is to them "it's just $5 it doesn't matter". They enable everything wrong with modern gaming.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 18 22:24:57 2015 No.2242523 File: 75 KB, 480x395, 1353649672413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It took us 200+ posts to say "NO GBA BECAUSE NO XBOX 360! SLIPPRY SLOPE WAAAAAGH"

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 03:05:29 2015 No.2244957

Honestly I feel like retro should be inclusive of all consoles incapable of digital output natively.

If the Dreamcast is allowed to be considered retro, I don't see why the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox can't be. They're still primitive in terms of 3D, resolution and game mechanics.

They did have online capabilities, but apart from the Xbox, pretty primitive and required extra hardware.

The problem with retro is that it's completely subjective.

How about each time a new console generation comes around, something 2 generations behind can be considered for discussion on /vr/? You can't compare the technology of the PS4 to the PS2, and I doubt the PS3 would stand a chance against the PS5.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 03:11:26 2015 No.2244961 >>2241424 The original Xbox live is completely dead. It's shut down completely. The new Xbox live is similar in name only.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 03:13:32 2015 No.2244963 >>2244957 >primitive in terms of ... game mechanics What? >required extra hardware DC came with a modem.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 03:21:59 2015 No.2244970

>>2244963

I thought we were in the camp of "Dreamcast isn't a 6th gen console" so I didn't mention it.

Game mechanics weren't significantly different in most genres until very late in the life cycle of 6th gen with games like FFXII having a JRPG with enemy encounters in real time. Most if not everything could be done on PS1 at a lower resolution/poly count.

7th Gen actually had significant RAM and processor increases which allowed map and game design to change and have more freedom. Alone with online, DLC, indie games and smaller cheaper titles being made available digitally making them not a waste of time and money to produce physical copies of.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 03:56:32 2015 No.2244998

>>2244970
>7th Gen actually had significant RAM and processor increases which allowed map and game design to change and have more freedom
I'm going to disagree with this. The biggest map in 7th gen was in Fuel, which was large enough to get the game into the Guinness Records and was the only award it actually won on account of being a terrible racing game, but that map still paled in comparison to the size and freedom that was present in Daggerfall and even Frontier, the latter giving you an entire galaxy to explore.

Game design ended up being simplified over time, sometimes for better and for worse. It removed a lot of the clutter and confusion that old games had but took away a fair bit of freedom and interaction along with it. You're not likely to see the kind of worlds that were present within the Ultima series, Baldur's Gate or even Albion in a modern day RPG.

While more RAM and processing power does help, no one is really using it to the extent that games of old did and they did a shitload with extremely little.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 12:44:27 2015 No.2245521
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>>2244957
It isn't subjective, in fact it's pretty clear what isn't retro yet. It isn't so much about technical specs as it is time between generation cycles. Yes, the Dreamcast is 6th gen, but it was born and killed within the 5th gen, so it gets a loophole pass. If you remember, we had to wait until the current gen came to be before we were technically allowed to consider it retro and make Dreamcast threads.

We have a good system going on this board that benefits more mature users. By the time 6th gen is fully retro, so too will their respected userbase. Keep in mind while ps2 threads got buried on /v/, DOS and Pinball threads could barely even get a chance to exist over there. There are many good reasons for /vr/ to be structured the way it is.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 12:49:38 2015 No.2245529

>>2245521
> we had to wait until the current gen came to be before we were technically allowed to consider it retro and make Dreamcast threads.
The Wii-U had been released before the board was started and for that reason alone the explanation in the sticky is bullshit.
Don't make Dreamcast threads. They violate the rules and serve as an entry point for further violations.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 12:55:52 2015 No.2245542
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>>2245529
>Implying that the release of one company's console is considered to be the full next generation
Keep acting like you know what you're talking about anon. A generation cycle isn't over until the fat xbox sings.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 12:58:07 2015 No.2245545

>>2245529
>Don't make Dreamcast threads.
Nobody makes them anyway.
Most of the shmup/fighter ports in there could be discussed in their own generals since they were originally ported from pre-1999 arcade hardware. There's barely any exclusives worth mentioning.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 13:05:23 2015 No.2245559
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>>2245545
>Nobody makes them anyway
I see two right now in the catalog and frequently see them get posted. The Dreamcast is very much loved around here and there are plenty of exclusives worth mentioning adding to the fact that it had the best retro ports. The Saturn had fewer exclusives and yet we have no problem talking about those for days on end.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:22:06 2015 No.2246051 >>2240509 I think that only 2D games are retro. No time span, that would be arbitrary faggotry. No 3D because that literally isn't retro. That is my take on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:35:24 2015 No.2246094 >>2246051 There's been 3D games since the 80s though. You'll need to be more specific.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:43:26 2015 No.2246116

When there is a definite change in how games feel. A lot of the stuff on last gen and this current one are pretty much the same type of shit that were on six gen consoles but with a graphical facelift. Until there's a big leap on what games focus on like what happened between fourth and six gen I won't consider most the stuff past Dreamcast retro.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:54:25 2015 No.2246142

>>2241280
There were a bunch after the Dreamcast was added but they were more than likely shitposters trying to freak users out. I love this board but a lot of you guys give really easy and perfect responses to shitty bait due to the retards who constantly shout that this board is dead the instant they see something they don't agree with like >>2240945

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:57:08 2015 No.2246148 >>2240518 gamecube is not retro and should never be discussed in any setting because it's a fucking terrible eyesore with shit games made for children.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 18:59:12 2015 No.2246153

>>2241432
>The only console to have DLC in the first place was the Xbox, the others had no or no stock hard drive.

There were some PS2 games that had it. MGS3 had camo you could download that nearly took up the entire memory card.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/uk/camouflage_index.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:01:14 2015 No.2246158 >>2246094 Was the first videogame ever invented 3D? I feel like I was specific enough. I don't want any 3D intermingled with 2D. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:06:24 2015 No.2246164 I say a two gen difference. So 6th gen will come around when the 8th or 9th gen is up, depending on how you want to count, i'd like to keep it at 9th. Sounds pretty good, to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:07:24 2015 No.2246167 >>2246158 whats your favorite atari game anon-kun?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:11:34 2015 No.2246178 >>2246167 I am not a big fan of Atari games, but I really liked Zaxxon. Atari isn't the only 2D machine. Arcades are what I flocked to during that time period.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:13:29 2015 No.2246181 >>2246178 >arcades are what i flocked to at the time Well then, favorite arcade game?

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:22:31 2015 No.2246187

>>2246181
DEFENDER AND FROGGER. Hands fucking DOWN. That was my shit. Our Arcade didn't have many games though. Luckily MAME is a thing now. Having that allowed me access to a shitload of Midway games and they are my absolute favorites. Gauntlet, Joust, Sinistar, and so on, as well as games most people are familiar with like Millipede, Arkanoid, Donkey Kong, Missile Command, and so on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:25:39 2015 No.2246189 >>2246187 Well shit I named two Atari games right there. I didn't even think about that, I think of their consoles when I see their name now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 19:47:43 2015 No.2246208 >>2241495 >no younger gamers will play them MGS2 alone got rereleased three times in one console generation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:02:10 2015 No.2246504 >>2242523 People arguing for other six gen consoles to be included is a direct result from the rule change to make Dreamcast /vr/. The slippery slope is real my friend.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:21:36 2015 No.2246525

I can see the argument for 6th gen consoles going either way. The 6th gen is the dividing line between modern and retro in my opinion. 6th gen was where stuff like online play, dlc, etc started to show up, but they were more novelties than the primary focus. 6th gen was the last generation where cheat codes were really a big thing, and the last generation where playing with people in the same room was the primary focus of multiplayer.

It sits in an awkward position where it has a ton in common with both periods, which I think is why is causes such heated debate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:24:25 2015 No.2246534 >>2246525 >it has a ton in common with both periods Been about 3 days and I still haven't seen an attempt to make a list of commonalities.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:26:33 2015 No.2246545

>Retro is a style, not a span of time

This is complete bullshit. If by chance /vr/ is here ten years from now, you can absolutely bet your ass that consoles like PS2/GC/XB will be discussed here, and will be openly considered retro without a second thought. The idea of them not being retro will be fucking laughable.

Fucking face it, things change. You get older. Time fucking happens. Get the hell over it. Do you think a thread about ps2 games has a chance for okay discussion on /v/? Who the hell here has even seen that shithole lately? It is literally thread after thread of the most toxic garbage you can imagine.

It's my opinion that the split between /v/ and /vr/ should have been handled differently, and that /vr/ shouldn't have been about "retro" games. /v/ should have remained a less moderated funposting shithole that it's always been and /vr/ (or whatever name it would've been called) should have been a more strictly moderated, higher effort, discussion based board where everything is "allowed" as long as it's an attempt at better quality posting.

Just my opinion. Nothing really of worth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:28:08 2015 No.2246550 >>2246545 Last I checked ricers weren't allowed at Hotrod shows. Times change. Some people try to shit things op.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:28:44 2015 No.2246552 >>2246534 The PS2 is more closely similar to the PS1 than the PS3. Lets put it that way. Not that guy by the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:31:15 2015 No.2246567 >>2246552 Feel free to support your personal agenda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:31:29 2015 No.2246569 >>2246550 That is a horrible analogy, nor are you attempting to truly debate much of what I said. It's also clear you haven't been to many car shows.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:33:42 2015 No.2246572 >>2246569 I definitely don't go to ones with ricers. Stick to Good Guys and Lead East for the big ones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:35:28 2015 No.2246576 >>2246572 Regardless it is a fucking retarded analogy that does nothing to debate my points.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:37:17 2015 No.2246579 >>2246576 How about you support yours instead of just saying they're similar.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:38:03 2015 No.2246581

>>2246534
Fine, since you're so goddamn autistic about things being put in list form:

1.Last generation where games were treated like packaged goods rather than services
2.Last generation where cheat codes were common
3.Last generation before Achievements became a focus
4.Last generation where playing with people in the same room was the focus of multiplayer
5.Last generation where internet connectivity was a novelty instead of the standard
6.Last generation where DLC was a novelty instead of the standard
7.Last generation before integrated HDDs became the standard
8.Last generation where physical media was the only way to get your games

There's 8. I could keep going but I know for a fact you're immediately going to nitpick and try to discount all of them, so this whole exercise was utterly futile and pointless. But at least your burning need for a numbered list has been satisfied.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:44:29 2015 No.2246587

>>2246581
>1.Last generation where games were treated like packaged goods rather than services
HALO servers are still up? What about that FF game?
>2.Last generation where cheat codes were common
Pretty weak but sure.
>Last generation before Achievements became a focus
See Ratchet and Clank. Also Sly Cooper among many more. All had achievements.
>Last generation where playing with people in the same room was the focus of multiplayer
Sure I guess that isn't a focus now.
>Last generation where internet connectivity was a novelty instead of the standard
See XBOX.
>Last generation where DLC was a novelty instead of the standard
See XBOX
>Last generation before integrated HDDs became the standard
See XBOX
>Last generation where physical media was the only way to get your games
See XBOX

I'll give you 2. That isn't nit picking either. Pretty solid counter examples.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:46:23 2015 No.2246591 >>2246587 >novelty instead of the standard >XBOX HAD IT SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID surprise surprise, you did exactly what he said you'd do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:47:47 2015 No.2246595 >>2246591 The XBOX did have it though. Are you disagreeing it didn't? How is that a nitpick?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:49:39 2015 No.2246601 >>2246595 One system having prototypical versions of something doesn't make it the standard for the entire generation. Actually read shit before you criticise, dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:51:34 2015 No.2246606 >>2246579 Look back over the posts you replied to and realize that you're retarded.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:54:46 2015 No.2246609

>>2246606
Namecalling is the best supportive argument.
>>2246601
I didn't say it was a standard for the generation. I put proprietary game medium in my list even though that isn't true for all the systems. I didn't make it a main point. But on the whole most people had a console with a proprietary game medium.

Giving that XBOX was fucking huge in that generation and had the top selling game of the generation means you can't just slap the shit to the side and say it doesn't play a big part in the generation. Because the XBOX sure as shit was big in 6th.

Back to my proprietary game medium example. It would be like me excluding PS1. Ridiculous. Which is why I went with more than 10 commonalities unique to retro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:54:52 2015 No.2246610 >>2246587 Oh shit Ratchet and Clank and Sly Cooper. Achievements sure were a major focus of the entire generation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:56:46 2015 No.2246616 >>2246609 >Namecalling is the best supportive argument. You mixed up posts dude. That's all I was trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 22:57:35 2015 No.2246618 >>2246610 2 major games had something that you said was not big in the that generation. You guys just grasp for fucking straws. Didn't Devil May Cry have some kind of achievements too?

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:01:49 2015 No.2246630

>>2246618
You've listed two, maybe three games from that generation, and are using them to claim that achievements were a major focus. How many fucking games were released that didn't have an achievement system? I'm sure the ratio would be rather lopsided. Also I'm not the guy that made that initial list I just thought your reasoning was fairly weak.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:03:48 2015 No.2246637 >>2246630 Those games were huge and were a series. Are you fucking kidding me? If I can name 2 major games that go against your argument, your argument is dead. And those aren't the only two. There were many.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:06:27 2015 No.2246640 >>2246637 I've never played Ratchet and Clank but Sly Cooper and Devil May Cry had no "achievements" to speak of, what are you even talking about?

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:07:59 2015 No.2246645

>>2246637
If the majority of games in the generation didn't have an achievement system then it certainly wasn't a major focus, and that was certainly the fucking case for that generation.
Achievements did not become a major focus until they were integrated into the platforms themselves such as the xbox 360 and Steam.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:11:02 2015 No.2246654

>>2246637
It doesn't even go against the original argument. Dude said they were novelties, rather than the standard. If only 2 or 3 games in an entire generation did something, it's the fucking definition of being a novelty and not the standard.

"standard" in this case means "the default state." 2 or 3 examples do not represent the default state for an entire generation. This should not be a hard concept to grasp.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:12:39 2015 No.2246660

>>2246645
I just named 2 major ones... Stop

Look at my list. You’re not going to have a single major example to go against it unless you use Dreamcast an example. Except the memory cards and possibly the strategy guides. By that time I was using the internet.
>>2246640
Sly Cooper had achievements. I needed to look it up on the wiki. It's called "Master Sprint". Beating the level in a certain time for a reward.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:13:51 2015 No.2246664 >>2246654 More then 2 games did it. Those are just two major examples. Not some obscure game no one heard of or some trash heap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:15:22 2015 No.2246668 retro isnt a matter of time. if you cant grasp its meaning at once you are just too young for it. /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:17:03 2015 No.2246672 >>2246664 You are being very fucking dense dude. There were still a massive majority in that generation that didn't have achievements, which means that achievements were not the fucking standard, or even a tiny focus of that generation, period.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:17:27 2015 No.2246674

>>2246660
>Beating the level in a certain time for a reward.

Okay, now I know you're joking. That's like saying Sonic the Hedgehog has achievements for collecting all the chaos emeralds for a reward. Or that Metal Gear Solid has achievements because it contains hidden items depending on what ending you get, and, uh-oh, it ranks your playthrough, too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:18:14 2015 No.2246675 >>2246668 To be fair the definition used for retro games is completely different than the actual definition of retro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:19:29 2015 No.2246679 >>2246672 >or even a tiny focus of that generation Ya two games that equated to over 3 million copies in American alone isn't a big deal. Just a tiny focus. That's one hell of a stretch even for mental gymnastics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:20:54 2015 No.2246685 >>2246674 That's completely different. I'm not the one that made the point either. There are some retro games that could be considered to have achievements.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:22:35 2015 No.2246687 >>2246679 Compared to the number of other games released during that generation it is certainly a tiny focus. Like I said in another post, Achievements didn't become the standard until they were integrated into the platforms themselves.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:24:45 2015 No.2246690

>>2246687
You're doing something outside of normal gameplay for a reward that has nothing to do with gameplay. It's an achievement.

Well guys you heard it here. 3million games. Pshh fuck that if it goes against my opinion. I have a personal agenda to get 6th gen into /vr/ after all. Can't have simple things like that stop me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:27:10 2015 No.2246696 So let me get this straight. Ten or fifteen years from now if /v/ and /vr/ are hypothetically still here, you will still expect the 6th generation of games to be discussed on /v/? That is some next level retardation right there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:28:18 2015 No.2246698 >>2246696 Your only argument is age.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:29:16 2015 No.2246703 >>2246690 >3million games That's 3 million COPIES of 2 games bro. It's still just 2 fucking games. You seem to be the one doing the mental gymnastics here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:30:37 2015 No.2246706 >>2246698 And your argument is what? You weren't a child during that generation so it doesn't count? Hell I wasn't either, but I can see that's fucking dumb as shit.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:32:12 2015 No.2246709

>>2246703
And I'm only counting 1 game from a series. That's how bad your argument is. Laughable really.

And AGAIN those aren't the only two. Nor am I listing anymore. To me you argument has been thoroughly beaten. You have no counter argument other than major titles don't count.

6thgen has no business with retro games. Almost zero unique commonalities. Where 6th gen has everything in common with the modern gens.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:33:29 2015 No.2246713 >>2246706 Nothing about 6th gen makes it retro. What does it have in common with the past gens?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:34:52 2015 No.2246718 >>2246713 Define retro for me man. Go ahead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:35:17 2015 No.2246719 >>2246703 Nevermind the fact that it's two games that rated how well you are playing, a staple of video games for decades. I guess Pilotwings is a modern game now. Dude's trolling. Just hide the thread and move on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:38:55 2015 No.2246728 >>2246719 That was not my point... The guy made that point for 6th. Reading comprehension is in the dump, champ. >>2246718 I already made a list.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:40:38 2015 No.2246729 >>2246728 There's 311 posts ITT. Link me to your list.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:41:11 2015 No.2246730 >>2240689 >>2246729

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:54:44 2015 No.2246762

It makes me happy that this thread exists so I don't have to create a new one.

A few days ago I was awake all night because I had to take a laxative for a medical study in the morning, I went to the bathroom every half an hour.
That night somehow I ended up thinking of this in bed, and I came to the conclusion that the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox gen of home consoles will never be retro, because most of its games can be remastered easily.

The previous generations are retro because the games are made with low res sprites or low poly models.

It is the difference between a remake and a remaster.
Retro games are games that would need to be remade (like REmake in comparison to Resident Evil for PS1 or the 3DS Ocarina and Majora remakes) to be acceptable to modern games, while modern games are games that can be forever remastered and will never need a Remake. Like all the PS3 HD Collections of PS2 games, or the Wii U 1080p Wind Waker.

Perhaps the GBA and DS should one day be considered Retro, since they are comparable to an Atari Jaguar and a N64 in power, graphics and resolution, but the PSP and 3DS will never be Retro, their games look good and will look good just remastered.

Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:58:36 2015 No.2246771

>>2246762
I'm the guy that made that list way back when the thread started. I agree but I didn't include it into the list because I couldn't really figure out a way to word it better than just simple graphics.

Look at the Wind Waker and Majora's Mask remakes. Good example of what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 20 23:58:47 2015 No.2246772 >>2246762 >Perhaps the GBA and DS should one day be considered Retro, since they are comparable to an Atari Jaguar and a N64 in power They have shitty 32 bit ARM chips while the Jaguar and N64 have 64 bit. Do the math.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:08:06 2015 No.2246787

>>2240689
>Pre widespread internet of the early 2000s.

There was one console of the 6th generation that had what I would consider widespread online capabilities. The xbox.

>Game magazines mattered.

No they didn't really. I grew up with EGM and it was pretty much just as shitty as the mags today.

>Strategy guides were needed or extremely helpful

Strategy guides are rarely needed. They are and always have been, a piece of merchandise to gain further profits. They also still exist in physical form.

>top selling games being primarily platformers and action games.

The top selling games today are still platformers and action games.

>Games came with a worthwhile manual and were severely berated if they didn’t.

This is a good point, but many, if not a majority, of 6th gen games had fairly good manuals.

>A console was sold as a game console. Not a DVD player or a streaming media device.

The Gamecube was sold as just that. The PS2 was marketed as a game device with the capability of DVD playback. Same with the xbox.

>A new console was measured by bits

Technology advanced. Sorry.

>The arcades were still alive. The arcades still provided both advertising and demoing for games. Lastly the arcades still mattered for promoting how correct a game was.

I'm not really sure what your saying with this. The arcades died because they no longer became economically viable.

>Graphics are simple and limited. Creators of the game must use creative techniques such as dithering. Example Sonic.

I'm willing to give you that, but that wasn't so much a choice as much as a technological need. Still there are some games developed today that are minimalistic with their design in order to create a specific art style.

>If a game saved it used passwords, Memory Cards, or on board/on game saves instead of internal hdd

Again technology advances. Not really a big deal. Also the 6th gen still did this.

>Console mascots

Nintendo still uses Mario as a mascot.

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Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:11:41 2015 No.2246792
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>>2246771
another example is the ugly HD Remake of Street Fighter 2 Turbo (pic related) that was made by Capcom because the original Street Fighter II Turbo looks horrible in the modern big hd tvs.

Imo, retro games are games that need to be remake in order to look good for the modern audience (because they don't own a CRT for gaming, because they don't like old graphics, or for both reasons)

Modern games are games that can easily be remastered. In 10 years Nintendo will be selling us 4K versions of Gamecube games, but they can't do that with their older consoles.

Btw, I don't think the dreamcast is retro but I am not going to whine about it.

>>2246772
I just meant that they were comparable to mid 90s hardware.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:11:59 2015 No.2246793

>>2240689
>>2246787
>SD resolutions

Fucking technology, how does it work?

>no DLC

I don't recall any DLC for the 6th generation consoles. Certainly not for the PS2 or gamecube.

>no online connectivity or LAN

This is pretty much the same point as the first on your list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:12:38 2015 No.2246795 >>2246792 Then compare them to 32 bit shit like the 3DO, PS1, Xbox or Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:12:46 2015 No.2246796 Ps1, N64, saturn are the limits for retro for me.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:16:43 2015 No.2246807

Retro is a fucking retarded word and is used incorrectly in regards to video gaming anyway. What we call "retro" games are not retro. They are simply old games. The modern games we cannot discuss now will be old one day too. There's no reason to be bitter over this shit.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:17:21 2015 No.2246809

>>2246793
>>2246787
>There was one console of the 6th generation that had what I would consider widespread online capabilities. The xbox.
That was more a general statement. In example it wasn't like you want on the internet and search top game for Christmas. You read about in a magazine.

>No they didn't really. I grew up with EGM and it was pretty much just as shitty as the mags today.
Are you joking? Nintendo Power was the bible.

>Strategy guides are rarely needed. They are and always have been, a piece of merchandise to gain further profits. They also still exist in physical form.
In modern times.

>The top selling games today are still platformers and action games.
Not at all. The top selling games not counting games included with a console like wii fit are FPSes.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:18:29 2015 No.2246815

>>2246809
>This is a good point, but many, if not a majority, of 6th gen games had fairly good manuals.
Eh I don’t know about. Some certainly did but I wouldn’t call it common place.

>The Gamecube was sold as just that. The PS2 was marketed as a game device with the capability of DVD playback. Same with the xbox.
And the GC was the worst selling.

>Technology advanced. Sorry.
For the worse it seems.

>I'm not really sure what your saying with this. The arcades died because they no longer became economically viable.
They were part of retro games.

>I'm willing to give you that, but that wasn't so much a choice as much as a technological need. Still there are some games developed today that are minimalistic with their design in order to create a specific art style.
They are mimicking the retro games not their modern counter parts.

>Again technology advances. Not really a big deal. Also the 6th gen still did this.
Again for the worse it seems.

>Nintendo still uses Mario as a mascot.
They’re the only one.
>Fucking technology, how does it work?
You’re only proving how different 6th gen and later is.
>I don't recall any DLC for the 6th generation consoles. Certainly not for the PS2 or gamecube.
XBOX
>This is pretty much the same point as the first on your list.
No. LAN drastically changed how consoles could be played.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:26:39 2015 No.2246826

>>2246815
Your list was honestly very nitpicky to me. I've never really given a fuck about anything, but the games. I don't fucking care how the game is saved or how many bits a console has, I don't care about extraneous bullshit like magazines or strategy guides.

The only thing that's mattered to me since playing the NES up until now, has been the games themselves.

Nothing else really matters to me when the power is cut on and the controller is in my hand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:28:56 2015 No.2246829 >>2246826 I just remember bits being a big marketing thing. As for the magazines I just miss them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:36:38 2015 No.2246840 >>2246829 Then why don't you just be honest with yourself and say that what you personally consider retro is largely based around nostalgia?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:39:01 2015 No.2246841 >>2246840 How's it nostalgia? Nintendo Power is dead, and consoles haven't been measured in bits since 5th gen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:39:08 2015 No.2246842 If you'd have to choose from these which would you take and why? 1.) Allow sixth gen systems on /vr/ 2.) Allow retro like games like Mega Man 9, VVVVVV and Shovel Knight on /vr/

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:40:20 2015 No.2246843 >>2246842 Neither.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:41:04 2015 No.2246846 >>2246842 2) because retro games are already tolerated when talked about, and because the board says "retro games", not "old games".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:41:34 2015 No.2246847 >>2246841 Because it's something from the past and you miss it. Do you not know what nostalgia means?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:43:23 2015 No.2246849 >>2246847 It's something from the past that hasn't been relevant since 5th gen. Unless you're just going to attribute anything old and not around today as "nostalgia".

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:46:54 2015 No.2246854
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>>2246842
I'm just going to point out that using the term retro in the way we do to describe old games is inproper use of the word. Mega Man 9, VVVVVV, and Shovel Knight ARE retro because they attempt to copy a style from the past. The games discussed on /vr/ are simply old games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:48:56 2015 No.2246857 >>2246849 You are talking about a style of games, consoles, and marketing that are no longer around and that you have a fond memory of. That is by definition nostalgia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:53:03 2015 No.2246861 >>2246857 >are no longer around Well at least you're understanding why 6th gen isn't part of retro gaming. I never owned a SEGA CD when it was new or wanted one. I still think it's part of retro games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 00:53:21 2015 No.2246862 Pre-HD, for the end of time. Even though 6th gen might get included in this, setting the cut off at the HD transition period sets a clear boundary that reflects the changes of technology then and now, or at least in the one, most obvious form.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:55:13 2015 No.2247527 >>2240509 When people stop arguing about whether or not something is retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 13:39:01 2015 No.2247732 >>2240524 Who cares what kids think 5th gen period

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 13:42:17 2015 No.2247743 >>2240608 Wholeheartedly agree

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 13:54:21 2015 No.2247768

>>2240608
that's bullshit and you know it. Retro is not a set period and simply encompasses anything old. If we were in 1995, then "retro games" would just be pre-NES stuff like atari and intellivision. A term like "victorian era" would be more analogous to saying "4th generation", but not the term "retro."

The definition of what is retro is a sliding scale determined by how long its been since it was new. Clothing in the 60s was not retro in the 60s. It became retro after a sufficient amount of time had passed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:21:09 2015 No.2247801 >>2246842 1. Fuck indie games ripping off old-school platformers. Would rather just play the original game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:25:23 2015 No.2247805 >>2247768 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:27:04 2015 No.2247810 >>2247805 Yup.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:31:30 2015 No.2247824 >>2247810 I love retro dinosaurs. They're millions of retros old. So retro.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:31:55 2015 No.2247826

>>2246842
1.

>>2247768
this dude gets it

while its obviously gonna be fucking weird to think of the GC as retro the 15th anniversary of it is coming up.

And besides, the Dreamcast is already allowed on here. Obviously we should wait a few years before allowing things like the GBA but it seems logical.

I don't mind, as long as people aren't whiny about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:34:15 2015 No.2247834 6th generation consoles will eventually be discussed on /vr/, regardless of how that makes any particular group feel. In my opinion they already should be allowed, and I see very few logical reasons as to why they aren't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:36:37 2015 No.2247837 >>2247826 You two are either young and/or stupid. Bronze age comics don't become gold because they get older. Never will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:37:58 2015 No.2247841 >>2247837 by that logic the N64 isn't retro because 3D.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:40:13 2015 No.2247845 >>2247841 3d is much older than that champ. >>2247834 I love the personal agenda argument. "Let em in because I like them!"

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:40:26 2015 No.2247846

>>2247837
The argument is semantic. We should probably stop calling 3rd-5th Gen retro us all and call them golden age or something (since we don't like calling them generations). Then vvvvvv can be called a golden age throwback or whatever instead of 'retro
Retro does change.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:41:07 2015 No.2247848 >>2247834 I believe 6th gen should be allowed, allowing a 2-3 gap difference(so around 9th gen), just to have a standard to go by. >tfw i also believe the dreamcast shouldn't be talked about till 9th gen

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:41:12 2015 No.2247849 The cutoff date is and always will be 1999

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:41:24 2015 No.2247850

>>2247837
Holy shit are you fucking dense. I already went over this >>2247768

you're confusing retro with other terms that actually mean distinct eras. Terms like victorian, golden age of comics, etc. Nobody is saying Bronze age comic eventually become Gold. Nobody is saying that 4th gen games eventually become 3rd gen games. But they all get older and eventually enter the overall category of "retro"

Retro is not a distinct era.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:42:05 2015 No.2247853 >>2247846 You're talking about retro. Not Retro Games. Talking about a PS2 on the same board that talks about Pinball? No they got nothing in common.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:46:38 2015 No.2247860 >>2247853 We already talk about the dreamcast on the same board as Pinball though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:48:17 2015 No.2247865 >>2247845 As opposed to your argument of "Keep them out because I don't want them here!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:49:17 2015 No.2247869 >>2247849 Why that date and who gets to make that decision?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:49:36 2015 No.2247871 Reminder that when /vr/ was created it ended with SNES/GEN etc. Then N64 faggots shit the bed because where were they going to be able to make 10 Ocarina of Time threads a day? So it's weird to hear the 1999 rule.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:49:55 2015 No.2247873

>>2247869
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:50:47 2015 No.2247874 >>2247853 Using that logic in an argument then we shouldn't be discussing NES games on a board that discusses pinball.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:51:22 2015 No.2247876 >>2247860 Dreamcast wasn't always allowed. But you little shits bitch for ever for it. And it has a lot of arcade ports so it keeps to itself. >>2247865 Yep fuck off. >>2247869 Not him. It's pre second millennium. It makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:52:11 2015 No.2247879 >>2247873 That has changed before and can (will certainly) change again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:54:32 2015 No.2247885 >>2247876 >But you little shits bitch for ever for it. So we should keep bringing the topic up and eventually it will be allowed? Thanks for the encouragement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:57:13 2015 No.2247887 >>2247885 You bring up PS2 threads and there will be much more hostility I know that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:58:31 2015 No.2247890 I say put it to a vote. Start up some threads about PS2, xbox, gamecube, etc. If people reply and have decent non shitposting conversation, then they should be allowed on the board. If not, then we should hold off a while.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:59:23 2015 No.2247892 >>2247887 Why though? That is the main console, other than GBA, that I wish we could talk about here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:59:43 2015 No.2247893 >>2247890 Just look at the GBA threads. Think it's evident that shit isn't welcomed here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:00:58 2015 No.2247897 >>2247892 It has nothing in common with the past gens at all. Go start a thread on /v/ for your late 90s kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:01:29 2015 No.2247902 >>2247885 You may as well. The mods clearly failed to delete this thread, so the only thing anyone can assume is that they're surveying the opinions of the people who nag the most about this. Keep reaching for that dream.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:01:47 2015 No.2247903 >>2247893 I didn't say GBA I said PS2, Xbox, gamecube. Next time read my post before you reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:02:14 2015 No.2247905 >>2247893 It seems like a very vocal minority that is against it to be honest. Not that guy either. Voting on something by the level of shitposting in a thread is a fucking horrible idea.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:04:40 2015 No.2247909

>>2247897
Except it does have things in common with the past gen? Many games for the PS2 are a lot like PS1 games with simply higher polygon counts and a few extra features. If the PS1 can be allowed here, which no one is arguing about, then I feel the PS2 should be just as welcome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:05:10 2015 No.2247910 The rules state 1999 and before (that means no dreamcast) and I think this is a good cut off point

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:05:10 2015 No.2247912

>>2247890
>I say put it to a vote. Start up some threads about PS2, xbox, gamecube, etc. If people reply and have decent non shitposting conversation, then they should be allowed on the board. If not, then we should hold off a while.

I can't tell how serious this is, but you can replace PS2, xbox, gamecube with dildos, automobiles, and tennis and be no more or less or correct. The fact some community can transplant itself here and successfully have an insular discussion about something irrelevant to the board doesn't mean it belongs here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:05:16 2015 No.2247913 >>2247903 I read your post. GBA is the most likely out of those to get allowed in. Even those threads go to shit. New to /vr/ huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:06:55 2015 No.2247915 >>2247909 >Many games for the PS2 are a lot like PS1 games with simply higher polygon counts and a few extra features. No at all. Especially the platformers and RPGs. Actually just the damn RPGs that turned into literal movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:07:37 2015 No.2247918 >>2247910 The fact that they've changed the rules before has created a precedent in which they can clearly be changed again, and by no means should be considered concrete.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:10:07 2015 No.2247926 >>2247918 They were only changed because moot wasn't entirely sure where to draw the lines and initially prohibited the fifth generation while allowing other hardware up to 1999. They haven't changed since the first week of the board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:11:24 2015 No.2247928 >>2247918 You're right, if the rules have ever changed once you should keep spamming meta-threads whining at the mod staff until they change again how you want them. This will improve the quality of discussion here greatly.

>>	Razz Sat Feb 21 15:11:48 2015 No.2247929 >>2247910 The Dreamcast was released in 1998. It should never have been disallowed in the first place, if all we're going by is the 99 Rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:12:05 2015 No.2247930 >>2247915 Yeah there were definitely no cutscenes before 1999 right? >>2247926 >They haven't changed since the first week of the board. Except that they have in order to allow the dreamcast to be discussed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:14:05 2015 No.2247935 >>2247930 The Dreamcast isn't allowed. The rules weren't changed to allow it. https://www.4chan.org/rules#vr >Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:14:51 2015 No.2247937 >>2247935 Dreamcast isn't 6th gen, its 5.5th gen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:15:16 2015 No.2247939 So what happens when the PS2 is too old to be discussed with /v/ kiddies, but too young to be discussed on /vr/ considering you guys place an arbitrary cutoff date at 1999?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:16:17 2015 No.2247941 >>2247935 >With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not. The Dreamcast is very much allowed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:17:26 2015 No.2247945 >>2247939 If you want to talk about it that bad go to /r/ps2 or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:18:47 2015 No.2247949 >>2247941 What he means is the sticky does not override the rules of the board

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:20:19 2015 No.2247957 >>2247945 Just so you're aware that is a fucking horrible answer. What if someone said if you want to talk about any retro games that bad go to /r/retrogaming? With that logic this whole fucking board, hell this whole site shouldn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:21:46 2015 No.2247960 >>2247949 So there's a weird grey area wherein the boards rules state that the DC isn't allowed, yet in practice it is allowed? What kind of shit are we running here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:22:39 2015 No.2247962 >>2247957 I'm just saying communities have rules and standards, and if you don't feel like following the rules, then it's probably best for you to find another community rather than trying to change the first community to fit your whims.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:22:40 2015 No.2247963 >>2247930 senescence =/= playable movie

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:23:58 2015 No.2247968 >>2247960 There is no gray area. Dreamcast IS NOT RETRO.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:24:21 2015 No.2247970 >>2247960 Something like that,despite what the sticky says it's still against the rules.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:25:16 2015 No.2247974 >>2247957 The format of this site isn't suited to catering to everyone's interest and not every topic gets it's own board or gets shoehorned in with the ones that exist. If you don't understand or can't accept this, then seriously, go to reddit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:25:22 2015 No.2247978 >>2247968 But I can make a thread here and it will be discussed and I will not be banned. Explain that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:26:02 2015 No.2247980 >>2247957 Ps2 was only discontinued like 3 years ago and I think sports games are still being released for it ,that shit should be kept out of /vr/ forever

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:27:21 2015 No.2247982 >>2247980 >kept out of /vr/ forever We'll see.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:28:05 2015 No.2247983 >>2247978 Who says you won't be banned? I've seen plenty of Dreamcast threads get removed after being reported so it's likely that you also get banned. But don't do it. Sometimes mods overlook shit and it just causes misunderstandings.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:28:08 2015 No.2247984

>>2247963
cutscenes*
>>2247978
Not him but the Dreamcast has a lot of overlap that can talked about. But going by the rules it technically shouldn't be allowed.
The reason the discussion doesn't go to shit is because as said the Dreamcast has a lot of overlap. Such as its top selling games being platformers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:28:39 2015 No.2247985 >>2247978 I made a thread about sonic adventure a few months ago and it was quickly deleted ,some threads stay up some get deleted.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:52:10 2015 No.2248032

>>2247768
>>2247826
You both are retarded

That was because it was still new as a concept. No fucking faggot said Pong was retro when Master System came out because videogames were still new amd developing

Retro is the first few iterations of the concept, in this case generations up until 5th

This is so stupid a discussion I can't believe we still have it. hurrrr 60s clothes weren't vintage in the 60s durrr this is autism

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:54:26 2015 No.2248035 >>2247957 We don't cater to your needs I know mommy does it for you everyday but you're gonna have to grow up ajd accept that fact

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:55:09 2015 No.2248038 >>2248035 >ajd opinion discarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:56:43 2015 No.2248043 >>2247939 You deal with it like /vr/ did before there even was a /vr/ Maybe you can cry to Moot abou- oh wait

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:58:44 2015 No.2248050 >>2247871 Faggots will be faggots anyways There's never enough Earthbound threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 16:01:48 2015 No.2248056 >>2248038 wgat the fucj are you tajinh about birvh

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:23:10 2015 No.2248316 >>2247962 >It's ok when Dreamcast does it!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:22:25 2015 No.2248874 >>2240538 Nirvana was on classic rock radio stations when I was in high school. I graduated in '08. Catch up, gramps.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:44:43 2015 No.2248902

>>2240509
Dreamcast and before.

I don't even particularly care about discussing the dreamcast, but it's a harmless little thing. It doesn't open the door to the PS2 and such in my mind, the xbox taking it's place since the PS2 slaughtered any hope it had.

I also have a lot of other mental separation, dreamcast is basically at the limit, PS1 is comfortable but nearing the border, SNES is certainly retro, NES too, Atari stuff is safe too.

I place no year divisions on it. Sometimes 1 year goes by and everything is the same, other times perspective will change.

Perhaps "degree of change" is the issue. The hop from PS2 to PS3 was much less than the hop from SNES to PS1.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:47:09 2015 No.2248906 >>2240641 Didn't they throw in an exception? or was that rescinded

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:53:41 2015 No.2248914 Oh my god who the fuck cares? Just let the faggots have 6th gen threads. It's not like they can be discussed very well on fucking /v/.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:02:01 2015 No.2248923

>>2247871
I don't remember that and I was here very shortly after creation.

Was it changed only after a few days? I don't doubt you because my memory sucks but I just remember nothing like that.

I remember having threads about the Russian guy and his Dendy. Those were fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:03:24 2015 No.2248927 >>2247949 on other boards it often serves to supplement them. the fact they were too lazy to update the site rules means little. if moot had an issue with the sticky he'd fix that shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:19:00 2015 No.2248949 >>2248914 No, we have to retain the arbitrary pre-2000 rule because it's a nice round number and sounds cool. Clearly, logical arguments about age and the definition of retro don't matter, only that sweet sweet feeling of superiority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:20:39 2015 No.2248950 >>2248914 >It's not like they can be discussed very well on fucking /v/. This is such a stupid fucking argument and you're a complete fucking idiot for bringing it up.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:26:01 2015 No.2248959

>>2248949
>logical arguments about age and the definition of retro don't matter
They don't matter when what "retro" means coliqually (fuck it, spellchecker isn't working, can't google it because i'm downloading shit) is different to the dictionary definition of the term.

I was going to say something about how "Video Game Generals" if taken purely by board name instead of further definition would only be a board about generals in video games - like advance wars COs and other units who are military generals, but fuck articulating it better.

goddamn we need a /v2k/, i want to talk about GTA Vice City but I don't want to do it here or on /v/ even though /v/ can still support these threads since GTA is a really popular series. I am serious here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:34:55 2015 No.2248975 >>2248950 >This is such a stupid fucking argument I know and I've seen it used so many times on here it's not our fucking problem

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:49:00 2015 No.2249005 >>2248975 You say "our problem" as if I'm somehow separate from the rest of /vr/. Like I haven't been here since day one of this board. It is a fucking problem, and will only get worse as time goes on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:51:17 2015 No.2249007 The real ultimate issue is that /v/ is shit. Otherwise, we wouldn't have even needed split off into /vr/ in the first place. Sadly I've long since realized that /v/ will absolutely never get better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 01:06:54 2015 No.2249034 >>2249007 >>2249005 And that is why there is no compromise in the retro rule It's just going to invite undesirables

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 01:07:02 2015 No.2249035 >>2249005 It's your problem. If you can't discuss 6th gen on /v/ or /vr/ go somewhere else. Why the fuck should we change just because you want to discuss God of War or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 01:33:02 2015 No.2249068 >>2249005 You don't represent /vr/. The board doesn't exist to please your whims.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 08:10:29 2015 No.2249407 >>2249068 >You don't represent /vr/. Nor do you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 08:23:21 2015 No.2249423 >>2249034 >no compromise in the retro rule But things become retro when they become older. The 1999 rule is appropriate for right now, but as time moves forward we need to think about this should be revised.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 08:24:58 2015 No.2249425 So much /v/ cancer itt

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 09:10:19 2015 No.2249494 >>2240552 He isn't trolling. I was in middle school when Cobain died so I'm an oldfag, I guess. I hear Nirvana on the classic rock station pretty regularly. They are ~25 years old at this point.

. Sun Feb 22 09:45:00 2015 No.2249526

Fuck you guys. I just want to talk about Zork and Pong and Lunar Lander, but I can't because of all the Mario and Sonic babbies on /vr/.

1982. That is the cutoff. And I think that's pretty damn generous, because you're free to talk about VCS games from the late 80s.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 09:46:19 2015 No.2249528 The current rules are fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 10:04:38 2015 No.2249551 >>2249423 If it's revised then it should be in a way that doesn't suddenly double the number of eligible games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 16:38:12 2015 No.2250336 >>2240532 Do you think they will have anything more in common with games from 15-20 years in the future?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 16:53:15 2015 No.2250375 ret·ro1 ˈretrō/ adjective adjective: retro 1. imitative of a style, fashion, or design from the recent past. We semantics now but old games aren't even retro by definition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 17:03:15 2015 No.2250395 File: 1.25 MB, 1366x768, Brindge 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2250375 >By this definition we should primarily be discussing those shitty retro indie games

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 17:06:36 2015 No.2250405 Wait, I've got it! Let's call it /ovgatdcbno6gs/ Old Video Games and The Dreamcast But No Other 6th Generation Systems!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 17:16:01 2015 No.2250423 >>2246148 >made for children Many of the games discussed on /vr/ were "made for children."

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 18:33:03 2015 No.2250625 >This thread So were literally /v/ now, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 18:34:51 2015 No.2250630 >>2250375 It's retro gaming. We're gaming in a way reminiscent of the past, i.e. playing old games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 19:51:35 2015 No.2250736 >>2250625 >literally Sounds like you always were, Jimmy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 19:53:01 2015 No.2250740 File: 57 KB, 333x499, qdOg5hK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >PS2 isn't retro because it wasn't discontinued until 2012! >Dreamcast still has game releases to this day.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 19:56:31 2015 No.2250747

>>2250740
>Dreamcast still has game releases to this day.
indieshit doesn't count.

people still make and remake SNES games. Is earthbound not retro, since it's still in production to appease hipster fucks?

date of hardware discontinuation is far more important than release-trends, although date of hardware release is the be-all-and-end-all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 19:57:04 2015 No.2250749 Not here to add to the shitstorm, just to say that I like you guys and that if at some point in the very distant future I get to talk with my /vr/os about stuff like MOTHER 3 and Shovel Knight, well... that will be a rad day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 20:02:31 2015 No.2250758 why are so many of you guys actually resonding to a bait thread, dear christ

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 21:30:10 2015 No.2250923 >>2249005 It's not our problem because this is /vr/ not /v/. /v/'s problems are not this board's to deal with and we shouldn't be changing shit around just because /v/ is making it too hard for people to discuss what they want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:10:44 2015 No.2251184 >>2240985 That PSX fifa has Oswaldo Sanchez in its cover???

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:17:48 2015 No.2251203 >>2240985 That's actually a really interesting picture. I was unaware of that, particularly the last major DC release. (yes, i know it gets indie stuff to this day, so does the 2600, who cares.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:37:22 2015 No.2251223 How the hell are there so many people on this board who haven't read the sticky yet? It's blowing my mind seeing all these retards shout that Dreamcast isn't allowed here, yeah it wasn't at one point but that was literally over a damn year ago.

Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:47:32 2015 No.2251234

>>2251223
The sticky does not trump the official board rules.

>1. This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro

Therefore, according to the official rules, dreamcast is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:47:51 2015 No.2251235 >>2251223 They've read it, they decide the 4chan rules page overrules it because it triggers them. (or to bait)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:48:34 2015 No.2251237 >>2240985 The picture is irrelevant. What matters is when the FIRST game/release date of the console, not the LAST game to come out date is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:48:52 2015 No.2251238 >>2251234 who's to say moot considers it 6th gen? muh 5.5th :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:49:54 2015 No.2251242 >>2251237 >What matters is when the FIRST game/release date of the console 1998/1999

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:50:13 2015 No.2251245 >>2251234 If it didn't trump the rules they would have removed it or altered it back to how it originally was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:58:45 2015 No.2251257 >>2249005 >being this delusional The seniority of some nuisance shitposter means nothing to /vr/. /vr/ can and will carry on with or without you (or any of your ilk, for that matter). Go see a therapist, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:11:01 2015 No.2251264 >>2240985 >NHL 2K2 last DC game The last official DC release was Karous in 2007.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:16:26 2015 No.2251270 >>2251264 I guess he's just doing US releases or something, as the PS1 date is also off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:16:57 2015 No.2251273 >>2251264 2007 was over 8 years ago. That still counts as retro in my book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:24:07 2015 No.2251278 File: 477 KB, 680x680, Yes it really is this easy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2251273 dreamcast is retro but bait is eternally modern

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:25:29 2015 No.2251280 >>2251278 I was 10 in 2007, dude. It's fucking retro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:26:00 2015 No.2251281 How many fucking times do we have to have this thread? If you want to discuss PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox, go to /v/. /v/ sucks? Not our fucking problem.

Anonymous Mon Feb 23 01:30:02 2015 No.2251286

>>2251280
>was going to call you underage
>i was also 10 in 2007
haha.

but no, that doesn't make it retro. if we're being pedantic in our meaning of retro, it covers those fake "8-bit" indie games, not dreamcast, and if we're being strictly in the /vr/ definition, it's <1999, which dreamcast does meet.

what i'm trying to say is that the game is okay to discuss on /vr/ because the system is <1999, but that 2007 as a year is not retro. i do pine for it, however.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 19:00:29 2015 No.2252451 >>2251281 But it's not fair! Why shouldn't this board that has nothing to do with the board that's causing me issues bend over backwards to my needs?!

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:09:40 2015 No.2253328

>>2249551
I don't think it would. Most gamers, even those who perhaps will feel nostalgia for the Aughts in five years' time, would still not come here regularly, maybe for a brief glance, but not more. Retro is always niche by definition. Most people don't care about it once it goes away.
And even if we were to grow in numbers, the entire site in general and /v/ in particular would grow accordingly, so we would still be comparably niche.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:14:01 2015 No.2253331

>>2251223
It's not sticky who decides what we talk about, it's we who decide what the cutoff date is in the sticky. Well, technically it's mods, but hivemind consensus affects them too, so it's still worthwhile to discuss.
The question is, should it be moved or should it not. Maybe not even now, but, say, in ten years, if the site survives until that time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:16:58 2015 No.2253336 >>2251278 Well, technically, even if 4chan only started using it in 2013 and before that everybody used "trolling", "flamebaiting" was a term from as far as the nineties. So, you're kinda right, but you're kinda not.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:22:46 2015 No.2253346

>>2253328
Games, not gamers.
The PS2 has more games than any other console and the years 2000-2005 saw immense number of PC games.
It may not be literally double the number but still an immense boost of popular games. Particularly the first month after opening the floodgate would wreak havoc on other discussion which would then alter the face of the entire board. And we'd have to deal with fags spamming PSP because it was released in late 2004 and is claimed to be a portable PS2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:29:25 2015 No.2253353 >>2253336 What i find funny is that "trolling" and "baiting" have mutual origination in fishing.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 04:36:43 2015 No.2253360

>>2253346
Ah, so you mean that discussion of the sixth generation and onwards would overwhelm any discussion of the pre-2000 games and threads with these would just die momentraily?
That's actually a fair point. I mean, it's still not like amount of Earthbound discussion in here is in any way comparable to, say, text adventures discussion, but at the moment we do seem to have a balance where most threads still do survive, no matter how small and obscure.
I guess, a /v2k/ board would really be the best decision then. Not now, but once we're far away enough from it so that the discussion on /v/ is not common.
Then again, there are people who actually say creation of /vr/ was what really killed /v/, drawing away all the interesting threads and posters from it. They would probably say the same about this hypothetical /v2k/.
But then again, /v/ is already bad, so it's not like creation of /v2k/ will be as big of a dent in it as creation of /vr/ was, anyway. I doubt /v/ will just suddenly turn good just because it has a little retro to itself. It's not like anybody stops retro threads from being posted there, anyways; /vr/ made them more uncommon but they're still allowed, it's just that they don't survive for long.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:00:20 2015 No.2253381

>>2253360
>Then again, there are people who actually say creation of /vr/ was what really killed /v/,

I always saw it as more of a favor. Now I don't have to dig through piles of shit for a thread that's half 13 year old kids saying stupid shit and half people just baiting anymore for older game discussion. Hell could you imagine how much harder it would be to discuss an older game if /vr/ didn't exist after GG essentially turned /v/ into the official twitter board?

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:07:49 2015 No.2253386

>>2253360
The problem is the flood of new threads that would get created should the entire PS2 library be allowed at once. It should be possible to ultimately strike a balance between those and the older stuff but the initial spike is all that's needed to ruin the board forever.
I'd prefer a gradual approach. Let new games trickle in every day instead of opening the floodgates. e.g. allow games released over 15 years ago. We could talk about The Sims because it was released in February 2000. PS2 would start on the 4th of March with its Japanese launch titles. Every week there are more games to talk about but never enough to overwhelm the board. It also reduces the spamming and begging for the bar to be raised because the mechanism is more transparent and predictable.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:18:31 2015 No.2253406

I just want to discuss stuff from 2000 to 2005 somewhere. I understand that it`s not retro, but what am I suppoused to do? /v/ is such a disgrace, people are only interested in their inner jokes, trying to discuss everything except videogames, and there`s nowhere else to post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:19:22 2015 No.2253407 >>2253406 Why not look around other video game forums that allow it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:22:04 2015 No.2253412 >>2253407 Because I like this place, I like anonymouse, not having to register etc. It might attract idiots, but the freedom to say whatever I want pays off for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:23:13 2015 No.2253413 >>2253412 You liking this place doesn't mean it should cater to your needs because you have issues on another board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:26:56 2015 No.2253416 >>2253413 But it`s not my exclusive needs. I didn`t make this thread, I`m just another random anon who`s asking for the same thing.

Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:30:23 2015 No.2253418
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>>2253416
Well stop disagreeing with what I want.

I agree with you on the anonymous and more freedom stuff though. Could never get into forums because it always feels like you have to watch what you say lest you want an admin mad about you having a different opinion ban you or get labeled a troll because you don't like _____ flavor of the month AAA game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:40:56 2015 No.2253421 >>2253406 /b/, /r9k/, /s4s/, /vg/ to name a few boards aside from /v/ where video games from that time are allowed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 05:56:02 2015 No.2253438 >>2253412 >I like anonymouse, not having to register etc. 4chan isn't the only imageboard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 06:12:45 2015 No.2253463 >>2253421 >I feel it's too warm in here for my comfort >Well anon you can always go to the desert and chill out there

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 06:40:58 2015 No.2253494 >>2253463 >/vg/ >worse than /v/ i mean some threads are but come on anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 07:40:25 2015 No.2253537 >>2253463 Deserts aren't necessarily hot. They just have little precipitation. This board isn't going to cater your special interests until you take moot's place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 10:35:07 2015 No.2253743 >>2253537 >until you take moot's place How do I do that? Am I allowed to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 15:22:06 2015 No.2254174 >>2240509 15 years is cutoff, or 3 gens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 15:33:00 2015 No.2254201 >>2254174 No.The cutoff is 1999 and hasn't changed in almost two years now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:09:55 2015 No.2254330 when I look at it objectively, I can't say gamecube/ps2/xbox isn't retro. I personally don't think of them that way, but I can't tell people they aren't retro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:16:55 2015 No.2254351 >>2254201 I wasn't saying that's what the cutoff is, that's just what i think it should be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:24:07 2015 No.2254371 Why can't we just have a board that's between retro and current

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:34:38 2015 No.2254395 >>2254371 and what would you call it, /vr-l/ - Retro Lite?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:40:23 2015 No.2254416 >>2254330 why can't you? Not a lot has changed between than and now. >>2254395 /avr/ - almost retro

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:48:51 2015 No.2254434 Let's just make one board for each vidya generation so that everyone is happy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:51:00 2015 No.2254439 >>2254434 That'd be too many boards, Retro and Current vidoe gaming would fill up almost half of 4chan's Interest column

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 17:54:39 2015 No.2254446 >>2254434 Better yet, one for every console and DirectX major version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 18:11:12 2015 No.2254474 >>2253494 /vg/ barely talks about games ever, everything has devolved into a circlejerk long ago >>2248959 I like the idea of /v2k/, especially since that 2000-2005 range coves a fuckton of games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 18:14:42 2015 No.2254478 How about we have a board for each year, and you can only talk about games released in that year on the board? Or maybe a board for each decade for older game, and each year for modern games like /v1990/ /v1980/ /v2k/ /v2k1 /v2k2, etc?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 18:17:11 2015 No.2254482 How about you guys take a decent idea and blow it all to hell by being dramatic faggots? One in-between board would work, explain why it wouldn't. No slippery slopes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 18:19:45 2015 No.2254487 File: 71 KB, 640x622, nba-2k2-cover965668.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2254478 fantastic idea. We number our vidya boards like sports games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 18:23:24 2015 No.2254495 why don't you guys just post what you want and see what the janitor does

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 19:22:29 2015 No.2254621 >>2254487 Given the strong correlation between the quality of most sports games and most posts on this board this does indeed sound like a fantastic idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 19:27:31 2015 No.2254632 Funny thing is that having /v/, /vg/, /vr/ is actually a good solution but thanks to the userbase not respecting rules and trying to shoehorn unrelated interests

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 24 19:48:14 2015 No.2254663 >>2254330 I can because video games since they came out haven't changed much aside from graphics.

Anonymous Wed Feb 25 12:50:18 2015 No.2256154

I see no problem with PS2, xbox things being discussed here starting about 2051. I'll side with the people who say it shouldn't be discussed until then but, if anyone here are still saying those systems aren't retro in 2051, I'll have your backs PS2 and xbox fanboys. ;^)

this is all assuming I am still alive at the age of 68

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 25 21:45:39 2015 No.2257082 GBA-for-getting-added-because-SNESv2 masterrace.

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