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Hey /vr/


I'm looking for a way to play my old consoles (Mega Drive, SNES, NES, N64, Dreamcast) on my Monitor. Only problem is my Monitor only has a VGA input.

So basically I'm looking for a way to convert the AV/Scart outputs of my consoles into an VGA output.
Is there an easy and/or cheap way to do this? I found some converter boxes, but they don't seem to work that well with old consoles. What about a new monitor with a Scart input? Would that work?

Or would pic related be enough?

>> No.2240142

>Is there an easy and/or cheap way to do this?
No

Best would be a xrgb
A sync stripper like a syncstrike or something like a Extron would work also but not great. You'll also need a breakout for the audio.

>> No.2240149

>>2240142
Welp, that sounds far too complicated... Well I think I just have to buy a monitor sized TV. But Thanks for the help!

>> No.2240156

>>2240125
>>2240149
Dreamcast natively supports VGA output for many, but not all, titles. You'll need something else for sound, as VGA doesn't do sound.
Just don't buy the cheapest Chinese cable you can find.

>> No.2240165

>>2240156
I already have an VGA adapter for my Dreamcast (it looks gorgeous on my monitor). I just wanted all my consoles to be hooked to one screen instead of two.

>> No.2240196

You need an expensive converter, but you might be able to find something cheap on Ebay if you look hard enough.

I found my Dreamcast one mispriced and incorrectly listed on Ebay.

>> No.2240216

>>2240125
No.

SCART to Sync Strike to VGA.

>> No.2241974

Wouldn't it be cheaper to simply buy some LCD TV with the appropriate connectors? Many bargain priced car TVs have cinch inputs, scart inputs as well as VGA (so you can use it also as a convenient small second monitor for your PC or laptop) and stuff.

>> No.2241981

>>2240125
Why not just connect it to PC and emulate?

>> No.2241993

>>2240125
>Dreamcast
VGA cable.

>Mega Drive, SNES, NES, N64,
Upscaler needed.

>> No.2241994

>>2241974
A cheap LCD has a whole new set of problems. Mainly lag.

>> No.2241996

>>2241974
Most people already have LCD TVs, but they're generally garbage for video games. A friend got a brand-new 50" panel and it's got upwards of 6 frames of latency, even in "game" mode.

>> No.2242003

>>2241981
Emulation is inauthentic and has input delay. It is the worst way to enjoy retro games.

>> No.2242013 [DELETED] 

>>2241994
Depends on model, my no-name 'Sonic' (yeah, great name for a TV) works quite good, no lag that I would call a gamebreaking one. Totally playable even in pixel precision platformers or danmaku shooters. It's SONIC JV-VC104G

>> No.2242017

>>2242013
I'd be surprised if it had under 3 frames of lag. Most likely more.

>> No.2242026

>>2242017
Oops, I accidentally deleted my post (I was referring to my cheap LCD TV, no-name SONIC - to those who haven't read it)

Yeah, probably had even more I can agree. But is it really matter if it was totally playable and I didn't have any problems while playing?

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>>2242026
>SONIC
>laggy

>> No.2242030

>>2242026
For most games probably. Would drive me mad on others.

>> No.2242039

>>2242003
Except we're using a CRT here, which is perfect for retro games? If OP wants to upscale his retro games to work on a CRT monitor thats also going to introduce lag.

>> No.2242041

>>2242039
>If OP wants to upscale his retro games to work on a CRT monitor thats also going to introduce lag.
A proper line-doubler should introduce no more than 64 microseconds.

>> No.2242052

>>2242041
OP asked for cheap and easy. Is he really going to shell out the cash for it?

>> No.2242057

Dozens of people play and beat games on emulators on daily basis using their mediocre screens of their laptops or PCs (which also introduce lag) - if they manage to do that, why some frames of lag would make it worse for using cheap TV and real hardware? I think that would still be better than emulation. But honestly, thinking more about it - why not simply buying used CRT TV which would be a way cheaper even than the cheapest LCD TV and would last longer for sure. CRT+real hardware = just like in good ol' times :)

>> No.2242061

>>2242029
At least it was Sonic not Sanic :^)

>> No.2242145
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2242145

OP here.I gave in and connected all my consoles to one LED TV.
My main problem was, that I connected my Dreamcast to my monitor, and the picture was sooo crisp and colorful. But I wanted to use all my consoles on one screen instead of two.

My TV has a VGA input, but at the moment I have no way of getting sound out of that VGA hookup. I could use my headphones, sure, but I don't want to play with headphones all the time. Well I guess I'll have to buy new speakers for that, then.

But thanks for all the help and suggestions!

>> No.2242228
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2242228

OP, you need to learn the joys of using a dirt cheap high-end CRT for your SD content.

>> No.2242263

>>2242228
I used to, and it still has that nostalgic value for me. But nowadays I just want the clearest picture available. Unless CRT provides this, which I don't know.

>> No.2242291

>>2242263
It does. /thread.

>> No.2242295
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>>2242263
A professional CRT or even a high-end consumer Trinitron with a SCART-to-YUV transcoder absolutely will give you the clearest SD picture you can get without investing in a much more expensive upscaler.

If you want to play retro games on a progressive scan display inexpensively you're going to end up emulating.

>> No.2242296

>>2242291
Your garbage pale CRT is going to be clear as mud.
If you want a low hour PVM or BVM it's going to cost your hundreds.

>> No.2242310

>>2242296
Are you trying to spell "garbage pail" or "garbage pile"? Either way it's nice that you revealed how retarded you are even to people who aren't experienced enough with CRTs to know that both your claims are bullshit.

>There are tons of top-end consumer Trinitrons with component and S-Video at thrift stores and on Craigslist for $10 or less
>With diligence and a little driving, pro CRTs can be had for under $50.

>> No.2242315

>>2242310
Right because you can just go to your local dumpster and dig out a PVM.
When did Trinitrons become high end?

>> No.2242337
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>>2242315
PVMs ARE Trinitrons, Moron. Even a consumer Trinitron, tweaked, running RGB transcoded to Y/Pb/Pr will blow any progressive scan display out of the water for SD content.

>> No.2242353

>>2242337
>PVMs ARE Trinitrons
No shit idiot. It's a broad term to describe Sony's current line of TVs. Spread from their lowest end to their highest end. Just because it's a Trinitron doesn't mean it's high end. Rather it means it's probably not.

Like today with the Bravia line.
>Even a consumer Trinitron, tweaked, running RGB transcoded to Y/Pb/Pr will blow any progressive scan display out of the water for SD content.
HAHAHAHAHAHA You're serious aren't you? Holy shit. Just because you buy some transcoder doesn't mean you consumer grade Trinitron turns into a PVM. Holy shit I'm laughing.

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>>2242337
>>2242353

Guys don't be like /v/...

>> No.2242381

>>2242353
Trinitron used to mean SONYs line of aperture grille stuff. But then they started applying it to flat panels and it's confusing.

>> No.2242389
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2242389

>>2242372
Sorry, Man. I just hate when people disseminate false information.

>>2242353
Okay, Trinitron was Sony's branding for their exclusive aperture grille technology. Trinitron = Aperture Grille = square "pixels" that most gamers prefer. PVMs do have higher tolerances and finer controls but the service menu on newer consumer 'Trons allow for surprising amounts of configuration. It's like you don't even read our CRT threads.
>Holy shit I'm laughing.
That's good because it'll help you believe everyone is laughing WITH you.

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>>2242389
see pic
>>2242372
Sorry guy.
Yes a transcoder would work for getting scart to the TV but it's not some magic image enhancer.

If you're going to compare to a modern TV you're going to need at least a PVM/BVM.

>> No.2242403

>>2240125
Just get a CRT.

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2242406

>>2242389
>>2242395
I like passionate discussen, just be civilised (not that I'm a mod, just the OP).

>> No.2242425

>>2242395
>see pic
What about it? The progressive scan display on the left is using a Framemeister, to the tune of $300-$400 by itself and it's not even the top-tier XRGB upscaler. Even XRGB-3 can't completely eliminate delay and requires additional hardware to add scanlines, which many people consider to be necessary. Even bloom is a characteristic most enthusiasts find desirable.

To most people, the left column just looks like emulation. Of course, you can achieve the right column's aesthetic through emulation as well.

>> No.2242442

>>2242425
They're both from a framemeister just 1 has the scanlines enabled.

I use a XRGB 3 (among some other devices in a chain) and it has scanlines. Though only for 240p signals. Not saying it's cheap. Get under a frame of lag and a 240p image upscaled to 1080p with scanlines on my TV.

Actually almost all the emulators I've seen mess up the scanlines pretty badly. You can't just throw lines on an image and call them scanlines.

I'll be the first to admit also that if you want the look of how things were played in the 90s. A consumer grade CRT with the curved panel for example, then nothing on a LCD will give you that look. But if you want PVM/BVM level of image quality then an upscaler like a XRGB rivals it in every way. I prefer it.

>> No.2243957

>>2240125
And OP, I think this is what you're looking for.
http://solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft/products/xsync-1-21-pin-rgb-multi-c-sync-separator

>> No.2243973

>>2243957
That's for JP 21

>> No.2243984

>>2243973
Can't you use jp scart cables on non-jp consoles?

>> No.2243991

>>2243984
That would require going from scart to jp 21 or making jp 21 cables for your consoles.

>> No.2244004

>>2243991
So he'd need one of these as well?
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/european-scart-to-japanese-scart-converter.html

>> No.2244010

>>2244004
Or rewire the X Sync. The X Sync isn't the only option out there.

>> No.2244225

>>2243957
>>2244004
>>2244010
Well I just bought speakers for the Dreamcast VGA adapter und connected it via VGA to my TV. My problem is officially solved :)

(and holy shit 100€ for an adapter?)

>> No.2244326

>>2244225
The DC VGA adapter should have been $20 for a cable style one or $30 for a box. A 1/8" phono jack to 2x male RCA cable should have been $3 but chances are you will get better sound out of the speakers you bought will sound better than your TV's speakers so whatever, I guess.

>> No.2244336

>>2244326
Maybe he didn't want a chicom special.

>> No.2244381

>>2244336
Even an OG one shouldn't be much more than $60

>> No.2244389

>>2244381
They are rare enough. The high quality ones are just as expensive. Not the easiest thing to make.