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Are there any retro RPGs that don't start in a pastoral village that is completely destroyed be the beginning of the second act?

>> No.2196162

Fallout 2

>> No.2196163

>>2196162
Sorry, I meant to put a "J" in front of "RPG"

>> No.2196168

>7th saga
>Brain Lord
>Breath of Fire 2, 3 and 4
>Crystalis
>Destiny of an Emperor
>Dragon Warrior 1, 3 and 4
>Final Fantasy 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6
>Illusion of Gaia
>Magic of Scheherazade
>Sweet Home
>Swords and Serpents
>Ultima 3, 4
>Willow
>Wizardry 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
>Zelda 2

Most of them?

>> No.2196169

Most but yes, it's a common theme. Change it to a pastoral village and/or destroyed and you've got a solid majority.

You can't go back again...

Which is actually in direct opposition to Campbell's monomyth. Hm.

>> No.2196175

>>2196168
>1, 2, 3, 5 and 6
4 didn't start in Mist

>> No.2196180

>>2196168

You also forgot about Ys and Secret of Mana, but you're right in that it was most of them. Now that I think about it, I can't even remember the last RPG I played where they did that and if I did, it would've had to have been one from the PS1 era.

>> No.2196190

>>2196180
Xenogears
Xenosaga series essentially starts like this
Xenoblade Chronicles
Suikoden Franchise
Zelda 1, Link to the past, Ocarina, MM, Windwaker
Chronotrigger
Fable

I can't think of any more but it is a significant trope

>> No.2196196

>>2196190
Zelda isn't a JRPG.

>> No.2196205

>>2196196
Close enough.

>> No.2196207

>>2196196
>japanese
>many RPG elements
>not JRPG

Let's try to be a little less pedantic.

>> No.2196216

>>2196207
The only Zelda game that has any RPG elements (levelling up and stats are a requirement) is Zelda 2. The rest don't count. They're action adventure, not action RPG.

>> No.2196224

>>2196216
Not who you're talking to but, just because zeldas don't have formal levels doesn't mean there isn't leveling up.

>> No.2196229

>>2196190
I don't understand if you're pointing out examples of games that start with your hometown being destroyed or not. Because no Zelda has this (Ocarina and MM MAYBE and only because of time travel), and Chrono Trigger doesn't either (ditto with the time travel).

Having your hometown be destroyed and travelling through time are quite different things.

>> No.2196232

>>2196224
Well when you put it that way, most games involve levelling up. As you play Grand Theft Auto more, you gain access to stronger weapons and become more powerful. Is that an RPG too?

While I admit that the term "RPG" is pretty loosely defined, I think the one thing that any game needs to have to be called an RPG is an emphasis on character development through stats. It's pretty much the only thing that ties the genre together. Honestly, the only thing I can think of in the Zelda series (besides 2) that could link it to the RPG genre is that it takes place in a fantasy world and the main character is a swordsman, but I don't think that makes it an RPG. I feel most "official" sources would call Zelda an action adventure, or even a puzzle game, but not an RPG.

To try and steer back onto the topic of the thread (sorry if I sounded like I wanted to start an argument, my autism got the best of me), Earthbound's Onett doesn't get destroyed. As many have said, tons of JRPGs don't do this, although it does seem to be a fairly common trope.

>> No.2196243

>>2196232
GTA especially the newest and SA definitely have pronounced RPG elements

>>2196229
They're examples that do. Chronotrigger pretty much does. You find out the earth will become destroyed before the second act and earth is pretty much represented as your town.

>> No.2196249

>>2196229
It serves the same point. They're a catalyst for transformation.

>> No.2196272

Almost all of them.

>> No.2196284

Star Ocean 2

It and everything else is destroyed 85% through the game

>> No.2196347
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>>2196163
It was supposed to be a joke because the starting village in Fallout 2 does get destroyed, it just isn't very pastoral.

>> No.2196356

>>2196347
See, I never played fallout 2.

>> No.2196361

>>2196168
>Ultima 3, 4
The only Ultima that has the starting town destroyed is Serpent Isle.
Ultima 2 nominally has all town in the early ages destroyed in the aftermath but you start in the middle of nowhere anyway. Ultima 5 has the ending where your home had been robbed but that's really stretching it.

>> No.2196382

>>2196347
It's the first thing I thought of and it's slightly amusing because FO2 is so far away from the stereotypical game fitting this

>> No.2196393

>>2196243
That's a bit of a stretch. OP was specific enough to say "pastoral village", I don't think "the world" counts. At that point the trope is generic enough that it ceases to be useful for meaningful discussion.

>> No.2196431

>>2196190
Not in Suikoden 2, though I haven't played 1.

>> No.2196462

>>2196393
I don't think so. Chrono's home is clearly feudal and it does get threatened before the first act.

>> No.2196469

>>2196462
>feudal

>sinks
>radios
>refrigerators

>> No.2196471

>>2196462
well it's not really his home after he's been dead for 970 years, and it's not really feudal after they build biodomes on it

>> No.2196474

>>2196393
>complaining about chronotrigger which clearly starts in a pastoral village
>not complaining about Xenosaga which takes place on a motherfucking space ship.

>> No.2196475

>>2196474
my friend, there is a very good reason for that
I've never played Xenosaga

>> No.2196479

>>2196469
>not feudal
>peasants
>kings
>princess

>> No.2196481

>>2196479
Most real world modern countries still have royalty.

>> No.2196485

>>2196481
>difference between royalty as figurehead and royalty as hegemon
>learn it.

>> No.2196489

>>2196471
The biodomes could be feudal, each biodome ruled over by a lord.

>> No.2196492

>>2196485
Tell that to Saudi Arabia.

>> No.2196495

>>2196489
fair enough

>> No.2196496

>>2196492
I wouldn't, their king just died.

>> No.2196504

>>2196492
>Saudi Arabia
>a modern nation
High GDP per capita does not mean a country is developed.

>> No.2196506

>>2196485
>implying all royalties aren't figureheads under the manipulations of their church, government, and military?

>> No.2196509

>>2196504
>Guardia
>a modern nation

You're missing the point.

>> No.2196514

>>2196506
Let's stop using green text for this. Various realms that had a feudal system would vary monarchial authority depending of the strength of the ruler. Henry VIII was for instance strong which lead to a break from the church. Charles V was a strong emperor. In reality a feudal system is determined not be head or root of authority but rather that social structures by which a society is organized. Chono's world is clearly a feudal society in which agricultural peasantry constitutes the majority of the population.

>> No.2196526

>>2196509
My point.
You've said it.

>> No.2196545

>>2196504
The world isn't exactly how it's shown on your saturday morning american cartoons and movies.

Americans have a hard time grasping the world without using stereotypes, but you could try a little harder.

>> No.2196561

>>2196545
Let's have a detailed discussion about the role that oil rents pay in propping up the gulf monarchies as an archaic system in the modern world. How the default response to political unrest in those nations is a crackdown using secret police forces combined with a temporary increase in individual oil revenue allotments given to indigenous peoples. Or we could talk about the huge influx of afghan, Pakistani, and Indonesian workers in most gulf monarchy wages bring used as essentially serf labor. The demographic allegiences of the people being stronger to tribal or religious identification rathen than identifying with a nation state.

By no stretch of the imagination would anyone that knows anything related to the middle east call Saudi Arabia a "modern nation". Americans aren't the crude caricatures europeans on 4chan think they are

>> No.2197186

>>2196545
>Americans have a hard time grasping the world without using stereotypes

That, my hypocritical friend, is a stereotype.

>> No.2197195

>>2196545
america doesnt even make saturday morning cartoons anymore :(
I don't even have a frame of reference anymore

>> No.2197247

>>2196158
Grandia 2 (never played the others in the series)

>> No.2197256

>>2197247
>Grandia 2 (never played the others in the series)

Best story out of all of them. The first one is not as depressing, the third is boring and cliched as hell, don't get me started on Xtreme.

>> No.2197278

>>2196232
in the 1969 mod theres a mission to destroy london ;)

>> No.2197295

>>2196232
>Well when you put it that way, most games involve leveling up.
Genre Mixing has been a thing since the NES days and it's practically become the standard since GTAIII.

>> No.2197419

>>2196356
get out

>> No.2197431

>>2197419
I didn't have a computer when I was a kid and its been on backlog since I got one. I played the first one.

>> No.2198030

I wish less RPGs would use the monomyth as their basis.

>> No.2198094

>>2196224

Fuck off you little faggot, if you don't know what constitutes a certain genre then lurk more or fuck off.

>> No.2198095

>>2197256

Xtreme's focus was the battle system anyway. You don't play Xtreme for the story.

>> No.2198105

>>2198030
what is monomyth and where can I buy one?

>> No.2198124

>>2196190
I've played both Suikoden 1 and 2 and in neither of them is your home town destroyed.

>> No.2198125
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2198125

>>2196158
Arni of Chrono Cross, nothing bad ever happens to it, it remains a chill beachfront fishing village throughout everything.

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>>2196545
>blah blah blah Sweden Yes
Can't hear you over the sound of my freedom

>> No.2198221

>>2196545
>>2196561
#rekt

>> No.2198245

>>2198125
Well, unto the shit hits the fan at Fort Dragonia in Another World.

>> No.2198306

>>2196162
Fallout 2's starting village actually does get destroyed at the start of the second act

>> No.2198765

>>2196169
Campbell's Pattern Recognition 101 doesn't require the hero to go back to the exact same spot they started at, just that they return to normality.

>> No.2198778

>>2198030
It's pretty hard to NOT. It's such a stupidly broad format that it really encompasses most stories involving adventure.

>> No.2198787

>>2198205
American freedom probably sounds like a fat guy wheezing from climbing up some stairs

>> No.2198793
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>>2196545
>Americans have a hard time grasping the world without using stereotypes,

>> No.2199192

Final Fantasy 7 starts in a large city that is mired in pollution, slums, and general urban decay. Midgar is anything but a pastoral village. Also, Midgar isn't destroyed.

Actually, the reactor you start in is destroyed, and so are the slums that AVALANCHE bases themselves in... still, it's not a pastoral village.

>> No.2199195

>>2198094
>>2198094
>Being this mad
>over an innocuous comment
>on an internet imageboard

>> No.2199196

>>2198094
Wow, he actually made a good point and the only response you could come up with is "fuck off".

>> No.2199205

>>2199195
Can you say...

underage virgin detected?

>> No.2199208

>>2196158

What game is this even?

>> No.2199209

>>2199208
Xenogears for the PS1

>> No.2200190

>>2199192
>Midgar isn't destroyed

Yes it is.

>> No.2200197

>>2199192
*cough* Nibelheim and Corel *cough*.

>> No.2200258

>>2198094

Was that really necessary?

>> No.2200284

Golden Sun (not exactly retro tho)

>> No.2200527

>>2200284
It's retro in spirit.

>> No.2200531

>>2200527
Yeah, I would say that in spite of its artifical difficulty, it was aged enough to have a cozy retro feel.

>> No.2200549 [DELETED] 

>>2196158
FFVII counts as retro, right?

Although starting in an urban slum that is completely destroyed at the beginning of the second act isn't a huge difference.

>> No.2200551

>>2200190
No, it's abandoned and left to ruin.

>> No.2200568

I don't recall Narshe being destroyed in FF6. Just occupied.

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>>2200551

>> No.2200861

>>2200551
>never saw the ending

>> No.2200889

>>2200551
>Sector 6 destroyed by Zirconiade
>Reactors 1 and 5 destroyed by AVALANCHE
>Sector 7 destroyed by Shinra
>Sister Ray and Shinra Tower destroyed by Diamond Weapon
>Rest of city decimated by Meteor and Holy

>> No.2201880

>>2200190
>>2200795
>>2200861
>>2200889
>by the beginning of the second act

>> No.2201967

>>2196158
Wow, no mention of the Phantasy Star games yet?

>> No.2202339

>>2200889
Reactors being destroyed doesn't count as the town being destroyed. Rest of those happened towards the end of the game, not the beginning.

>> No.2202349

Tales of Phantasia

...oh wait

>> No.2202467

>>2202339
The point being is that Midgar gets totally fucked up.

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>>2202339
Jessie said that each sector is a considered town and THIS is what happens to Sector 8 after Reactor 1 is destroyed.

>> No.2204496

>>2196158
I HATE that bullshit

Just because of some games doing that, I am forever paranoid about looting absolutely everything and buying anything from every town in every RPG

>> No.2204526

>>2202339
>Reactors being destroyed doesn't count as the town being destroyed.

No just the hospitals and emergency services that rely on power

>> No.2204575

>>2196190
But MM clearly doesn't count

>> No.2204603

>>2204496
I think that's a problem with just about every JPRG. You have to read up beforehand on what to do/avoid to not fuck up the rest of your playthrough.

>> No.2204608

>>2204575
The town gets destroyed every night you dunce.

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>>2204496
>>2204603

Your autism is showing.

>> No.2205993

>>2205986
>>>/v/

>> No.2206012

>>2196168
You forgot about 8 and 9. Arguably 7.

>> No.2206018

>>2205986
People keep using that word in the most inappropriate senses possible. It's like they have difficulties forming social connections and using communication skills properly.

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>>2206012
>Arguably 7
What's 'arguably' about it? Starts in Midgar, an industrial city. Midgar is in tact by the end.