/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2193383]

Tell me about the Breath of Fire series, please.

[Anonymous No.2193412]

They touch on some religious themes and some pretty fucked-up shit without sounding like preachers.

Also people will always be stupid.

[Anonymous No.2193418]

>>2193383

It's a solid series of RPGs that you would probably enjoy if you played them.

4 is the best

[Anonymous No.2193421]

>>2193383
Breath of Fire 1 was nothing special. It has some pretty antiquated battle system and suffers from a very dry translation, but can be enjoyable if you can look past that. Also... almost every party member is useless. You get like 10 people, but only 4 are ever useful.

Breath of Fire 2 is a mixed bag. Although it expands on almost everything from BoF1, the translated is WORSE, and the pacing can be really erratic from time to time. Still, it presents a refreshing theme (religions, cult-like behavior) and has a very likeable cast.

Breath of Fire 3 was one of the "faces" of the PSX, and with good reason. It had quite a few interesting battle system additions, and the translation was miles better than 1 or 2. It has one of the most frustrating minigames ever (desert).

Breath of Fire 4 went into a different direction. Things are more rooted in reality and even the color and pallette scheme reflect that. They're dull compared to the anime-like colors from 3, but this gives some characters a new dimension. At least to me, it has the most likable cast of all the games, with no stragglers (like 70% of the characters in BoF1 and Jean in BoF2). Also tells the story by two different perspectives, and you end up liking both.

[Anonymous No.2193430]

>>2193421
>Things are more rooted in reality
>Elina being turned into an eldritch horror is realistic
How about no.

[Anonymous No.2193438]

>>2193421
>Breath of Fire 3 was one of the "faces" of the PSX, and with good reason. It had quite a few interesting battle system additions, and the translation was miles better than 1 or 2. It has one of the most frustrating minigames ever (desert).
Desert is a fucking joke. You literally point yourself in a direction and walk. If you wanna talk frustrating minigames BoF3 has them in fucking spades.

>Training Beyd
>Getting the vinegar out of the well

Oh, and by the way both are mandatory.
I managed to get super fucking lucky on my last playthrough and get the Vinegar on the second try, but as a kid that shit took me no joke 3 fucking hours.Training beyd is also a major pain in the ass even if you try and cheese it by having Ryu use that move from Bunyan that does about 8 hits with a QTE sequence its still a major pain in the ass.

Theres probably even more I'm forgetting, BoF3 is full of shitty minigames. As much shit as FF7 gets for being too mainstream, its minigames were atleast enjoyable and playable.

[Anonymous No.2193441]

>>2193430
I meant about people being killed by the dozens, now you can finally see the influence of the empire and stuff. In the games before you saw the Windya and others kingdoms but they did jack shit.

Just in the first 5 hours into BoF 4, you get:
- Tsundere spy that wants to capture you
- Drunken samurai that was paid to look after you

I was going to mention Ershin, but I guess you're right. Deis is a slut

[Anonymous No.2193445]

>>2193441
>- Tsundere spy that wants to capture you- Drunken samurai that was paid to look after you

wait that wasn't that the same guy

[Anonymous No.2193451]

4 > 3 > 2 > 5 = 1

[Anonymous No.2193453]

>>2193451

nah 5 is great one of the best easy

[Anonymous No.2193475]

>>2193445
Ursula was the spy and Scias was the coolest samurai ever.

[Anonymous No.2193483]

>>2193475
>Ursula was the spy

Ursula joins much later than 5 hours and is not a spy by any stretch of the definition and is defiantly not tsundere

she's a pro as fuck military captain who is tasked with bringing the party to the empire. That they want to go just makes her job easier.

[Anonymous No.2193487]

she is also the coolest character. ever.

[Anonymous No.2193501]

>>2193441
An insatiable slut

Anyway. 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 5. Fuck dragon quarter.

[Anonymous No.2193512]

>>2193501
>>2193418
I fucking hate that robot and what they did to Deis. Awful design.

[Anonymous No.2193516]

>>2193501
Dragon Quarter is the only truly good game in the series

[Anonymous No.2193543]

>>2193501

Fuck you.

>>2193512

You do realize that 4 is the first point in the series right? Deis wasn't always a snake person, that comes later.

[Anonymous No.2193559]

>>2193543
No, I didn't know that. The character is still terrible.

[Anonymous No.2193561]

>>2193383

[Anonymous No.2193569]

>>2193561
FUCK.
Even if BoF has some of the worst minigames ever, I wasted more time on fishing than I did playing a lot of games.

>fishing in hex
>fishing a whale with a pole

[Anonymous No.2193571]

>>2193559
>Having this shit of taste

>>2193561

I like Fishing in 4

[Anonymous No.2193584]

>>2193571
no, seriously, it's a giant garbage bin

[Anonymous No.2193593]

>>2193584

Suit of armor thank you.

[Anonymous No.2193605]

>>2193543
>4 is the first point in the series
Confirmed by absolutely nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.2193613]

>>2193605

well noting beyond common sense and the ability to put 2+2

[Anonymous No.2193624]

>>2193613
BUT THEN HOW CAN REI AND TEEPO BE IN 4 IF 4 IS THE FIRST ONE?

[Anonymous No.2193627]

4 >= 3 > 5 >= 2 > 1

[Anonymous No.2193631]

>>2193624

Same reason Momo is, it's just a cameo

[Anonymous No.2193652]

>>2193605
Ok, it's not really confirmed. But from conjecture, it's pretty blatant it's the first.

Let's start: 1, 2 and 3 take in chronological order, as stated by the games themselves. In BoF 2, they allude to the Dark Dragon War (events of BoF 1). The biggest proof comes from BoF 3, in that pyramid/temple (I forgot), where you see a big mural on a wall. There's, it's pretty clearly stated that BoF 1 takes place 500 years before BoF 2, and since you're reading it now, BoF 3 takes place after BoF 2.

Now for BoF 4. There are at least 3 links to say this is the first one:
- Deis
- Dragons
- Yuna

Deis, as you may know, appears in all 4 games. In BoF 2 she was named Bleu, I believe (but chalk that up to the horrible translation). In those, she's a "snake-woman", although she never says clearly what she is, she states that she has a link to Ryu in BoF 3. Meaning, she's a Dragon (like in BoF4). Since Deis still has human form in 4, and the snake form in all other games, it only makes sense that 4 comes before 1.

Now, Dragons. This is the most obvious. In 4, the Dragons themselves exist in the world, and there is no mention of the Dragon Clan at all. Since the Dragons depart the world in the ending (minus Ryu/Fou-lu), it's pretty safe to say the Dragon Clan are their descendants. Let's not forget Deis.

The most interesting is Yuna. As you may know, Yuna tried to create a god by amalgamation of countless species of animals (in short, a chimera) and all sorts of magic. In the end, he creates something that has a god essence (other gods recognize it as a god), but that is not a god itself, since it can do nothing at this point. This is Nina's sister.. Now the interesting part. Everyone knows Yuna escapes to never be seen again, but you probably don't remember him saying "I'll create a god again" (something of the sort). Well, go forwards to BoF 1, and you have Myria, which is... an amalgamation of various animals! Meaning, she is the god Yuna created.

[Anonymous No.2193659]

>>2193516
Then why is it also the cheapest and easiest to acquire these days? Shit sucks, bro.

[tgguy No.2193661]

>>2193631
Disregarding information because it doesn't fit with your theories doesn't sound like "common sense".

Also Myria apparently just got summoned later on. Deis' sister, out of all possible things to summon. With a spell that's supposed to be lost.

Not to mention Deis' is familiar with Ryu from the get go.

There's simply not enough information to say wether 4 happens in a different world after 1, 2 and 3 or if it happens before.

[Anonymous No.2193670]

>>2193661
er

if Ryu and Fou-lu and Deis are summoned from outside the dimension I think it's safe to say that BoF IV has every possibility of taking place in a different, parallel universe to BoF I-III

I'm not even sure II is related to I and III actually

[Anonymous No.2193676]

>>2193670
It's stated pretty clearly in 3 that 1 and 2 happen one after the other. 2 also mentions the events of 1, barely.

[tgguy No.2193681]

>>2193652
>Since Deis still has human form in 4, and the snake form in all other games
Deis has her human form when she first wakes up in BoF3. And she's never stated to be a dragon in 4.

>there is no mention of the Dragon Clan at all
Because the world of 4 is not the same world as 1-2-3. It's part of the plot. The dragons were summoned into that world to seed change in it. Deis and all the dragons, Ryu included, came from a different world.

>Yuna creating Myria
Except it turns out that Myria was actually Deis sister and not artificially created.

[Anonymous No.2193689]

>>2193670
Deathevan is the spawn of Myria.
When you fight Nina's shade, she's the same as Nina from BoF1, and she says she got married with someone who was not Windyan.

[Anonymous No.2193695]

>>2193689
Interbreeding destroyed the windyan race.
Too bad, we could have had some sort of hybrid dragon angels.

[Anonymous No.2193702]

>>2193695
I think the fact that that can't happen is exactly why the wyndians lose their powers

[Anonymous No.2193703]

BoF 1 is... Dragon Quest clone, only you're the dragon and the bosses are a bit more tedious. Worth noting that the GBA version doubles the EXP and Gold rates.

Do not forget that BoF 2 has a fan translation. Some here don't like it, but either way it's leagues better than what we got. This is when things got unique, and the Shaman system is pretty fun to fool around with.

3 is easily the high point of the series. Best or not according to opinion, this is when BoF got really good for most players. I'll always miss the shaman system of 2, but genes were still fun.

4 is great and as some neat designs (dem dragons) but I didn't have nearly as much fun as 3.

[Anonymous No.2193705]

>>2193695
It really shows, too.
BoF 1 - They can fly and transform into birds
BoF 2 - Have wings, but can't fly
BoF 3 - Have no wings anymore

[Anonymous No.2193707]

>>2193705
>>2193702
The Worens being nomadic probably kept their bloodlines from getting tainted after BoF2.
Or, WOREN STRONK

[Anonymous No.2193710]

>>2193705
BoF's got a neat thing going on really, unintentional or not.

>Everyone is the least anthro at 4, the prequel.
>Most anthro at 1
>Gradually gets lesser 2 and 3
>All gone except for a couple scant things at Dragon Quarter

Of course at VI this gets thrown out the window if you even want to count that pile.

[Anonymous No.2193712]

>>2193681
>Deis has her human form when she first wakes up in BoF3. And she's never stated to be a dragon in 4.

She IS stated to be and Endless though. And all the dragons in 4 are, you guessed it, Endless.

[Anonymous No.2193720]

I love the battle system in 4. Easily one of the best turn based ones Ive seen. Love games that let you use your whole party and top it off you got that bitching combo system.

Shame it doesn't get more recognition. A lot of people overlooked it because it came out very late int he PS1s life

[Anonymous No.2193721]

>>2193712

Not all Endless are dragons.
Yuna made an artificial Endless. It was not a dragon.
And if dragons are Endless then the Dragon Clan members should be immortal. But they simply age slowly.

[Anonymous No.2193723]

>>2193695
Damn it, an rpg with a plot like that these days would cause so much hilarious SJW butthurt.
Yeah I know, I should go back to /v/. But it's true.

[Anonymous No.2193730]

>>2193721
I'm pretty sure Dragon Clan members are descendants of Ladon (Dragon God), not gods per se.

See: Ryu II was the son of a human and a Dragon Clan member, and he had powers of a Dragon Clan member.

[Anonymous No.2193736]

>>2193721
>Not all Endless are dragons.

you're being too literal. Dragon is just what people who didn't know better called all the giant scary god things.

[Anonymous No.2193742]

>>2193736
Don't they call themselves siblings?

[Anonymous No.2193749]

>>2193736
>>2193742
Actually, Deis says this:

>OK, Ryu, that's where we're going. We have to call the other dragons.
>Dragons were once gods, just like us. You could say we're distant cousins. We'll call them, and ask them to help you out.

[Anonymous No.2193750]

>>2193438

That goddamn submarine minigame.

[Anonymous No.2193753]

>>2193438
I used to love the Beyd minigame. I'd sit there and train him till my strongest attacks rolled off a 0 and he was one-shotting all my characters.

[Anonymous No.2193764]

Isn't it 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 after the desert spread and everyone is forced to live underground?

And I figure the reason why Deis and Myria call each other sisters are because they're both Endless.

[Anonymous No.2193771]

>>2193753
>tfw you sit there and watch as Beyd one-hit KOs that big fucker and everyone treats him like an alpha from then on

[Anonymous No.2193780]

>>2193764
4 is a completely different world. 1-2-3 are more western sword and sorcery themed, while 4 has oriental themes.
Since there isn't enough evidence to push one way or the other it can work as both a prequel or a sequel. It's irrelevant. The Breath of Fire series does nothing with its continuity anyway.

[Anonymous No.2193816]

>>2193780
>, while 4 has oriental themes.

Only as far as the empire is concerned. The woren clan is decidedly native american and the kingdom has the whole Medieval Europe thing going. The game just spends the bulk of it's time in the Imperial territories so we see the Oriental stuff.

Which I for one, LOVE. The chinese korean setting is a much welcome change of pace.

http://lparchive.org/Breath-of-Fire-IV/Update%2029/

interesting read

[Anonymous No.2194312]

What if BoF:DQ was simply called Dragon Quarter? Try to look at it that way and you'll see that is arguably one of most unique and fun jrpgs ever. Here's an interesting review:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWcJ5zqUOc

[Anonymous No.2194313]

>>2193659
Because PS2 games are dirt cheap right now.

[Anonymous No.2194332]

>>2194312
>fun
BoF or not, that's just a lie.

[Anonymous No.2194349]

>>2194312

Wtf that guys logo looks exactly like the /vr/ guy

[Anonymous No.2194532]

Are we eating our very words yet, huh?

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[Anonymous No.2194762]

>>2193659
PS2 isn't "in" right now.

[Anonymous No.2194793]

>>2194312
It's nice to dream but the reality is it's still going to be a BoF Game in the same way Donte's game is Devil May Cry and Sonic 06 is really named "Sonic The Hedgehog"

[Anonymous No.2194802]

>>2194793

Except for the part about it being good.

[Anonymous No.2194805]

>>2194802
If you want to fuck yourself off with it, go right ahead.

Point is, one way or another (Besides that shitty Mobile game and that's probably more New Capcom than anything else) it's the last game in the BoF Series.

And it's a Poor laast game

[Anonymous No.2194820]

>>2194805
>And it's a Poor laast game

more like a fantastic swan song

[Anonymous No.2195861]

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[Anonymous No.2195864]

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[Anonymous No.2197694]

Pathetic.

Thread, go on front page.

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[Anonymous No.2197704]

>>2197694

Or lord this faggot's back. Everyone abandon thread.

[Anonymous No.2197705]

>>2197694
I missed you, mr shitposting katt guy

[Anonymous No.2197708]

>>2197694
hey why did you make one video for the snes and one for gba? is there any difference between them besides the extra gold and exp from encounters?

[Anonymous No.2197714]

>>2197708

there's a dash button on GBA, which is nice but the color pallet is more ...awful

also don't give him attention. We haven't been able to talk about BOF2 for months because of this guy

[Anonymous No.2197725]

>>2197714
Oh I know the guy, he mostly just posts some webms and text pastas though.
It's easy to ignore.

[Anonymous No.2197727]

>>2193383
I was one of the weirdos that liked III the best.

Spoilers:

>Myria is not even evil.

She wants to do what's best for humans by more or less placing them into controlled environments.

Long ago Myria and Deis watched over the humans together. Myria intervened and saved the last groups of humans when they came close to obliterating each other in a nuclear war. Deis and her dragons didn't seem to give a shit and were content to let the humans have at each other. If they lived, they lived. It was their opinion men should be in control of their own destiny even if they became extinct from the choices they made.

Myria was enraged at this 'betrayal' and after she took the humans under her wing she waged a campaign to wipe out the dragons. The dragons might have actually been ATTACKING the humans at this point because they saw this interventionalism as unnatural. Kind of like Ragnar Danneskjöld in Atlas Shrugged.

[Anonymous No.2197730]

>>2197714
You weren't able to talk because you simply got nothing to tell or show. Then you started to drag everything down, exactly to your level of low. It didn't work. It never works with me.

I liked Katt but instead of crying I went to the game, beat it with her, figured things never known to the present. Now I am thinking about pushing her with my knowledge further and you can't do anything about it. Anything. Cry me more.

She is the best character in the game and together with "MC" they make a group of mechanically best characters. There is a power gap between her and MC as well as a huge power gap between them and the others. Yes, Bleu is overrated and people who like her are mostly parrots who never bothered to dig further in the game.

>>2197708
There are differences, like that beak in hunting spots doesn't respawn anymore (while maintaining a higher dash speed), etc.

[Anonymous No.2197736]

>>2197730

yeah see this is exactly the kind of shit Im talking about when I said the BOF threads where ruined forever

[Anonymous No.2197745]

>>2197736
If you want rights, you fight for them, no? You provide something of value to benefit yourself and things you like. Not drag down everyone to your level with bitching. Bitching is not rewarding.

My last reply to you.

[Anonymous No.2197775]

1 is pretty bad
2 is full of random encounters
3 is excellent
4 is a step forward story-wise but a step backward gameplay-wise

[Anonymous No.2197849]

So I shouldn't get 1 or 2 on Wii U?

Fuck man, why do they only release the same shit or utter shit?

[Anonymous No.2197885]

>>2197849
VC is a direct port, there's no surprise there.

Capcom never really managed their properties very well, and probably just saw it as "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

[Anonymous No.2198204]

>>2197775
1 is also full of random encounters.
2 is a little worse because it's full of random encounters that cast Death on you.

[Anonymous No.2198207]

I've been playing 1 this week, and maaaan... someone said above that the translation was very dry, but I didn't think it was this bad. I just saved Ox, and I couldn't make heads or tails of what happened in that scene.

[Anonymous No.2198219]

>>2197775
>1 is pretty bad
I don't think so, just more basic than the others. But yeah, if you want to play 1 & 2, turn on 10x exp and disable random encounters via cheat device to plow through it faster since they're both worth seeing.

[Anonymous No.2198246]

Dq was a prequel to one. Post apocalypse, society underground

Bof 1 had ancient high tech dhit in wells that went deep into the earth and super Ai boss fights in 1 and 3

[Anonymous No.2198253]

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[Anonymous No.2198263]

>>2198246
Devs already said DQ was in a continuity all it's own, so it really doesn't have anything to do with the timeline. IV was already stated to be the prequel.

If anything, DQ's at the end.

[Katt Big Plays No.2198302]

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[Anonymous No.2198378]

>>2198207
>I just saved Ox, and I couldn't make heads or tails of what happened in that scene.

you saved Ox. The end. No move forward to the next town and crisis never to hear from anyone in your party again

[Anonymous No.2198389]

>>2197708
GBA has a B-Button dash, but it was also put into the retranslation.

[Anonymous No.2198453]

>>2193418
nope 3 is the best

[Anonymous No.2198467]

>>2198263
>IV was already stated to be the prequel.
Only by fans, with no evidence to back it up