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/vr/ port comparison thread.

Left is Ms. Pac Man in arcade form, right is the VCS port. It looks just as shitty as the first Pac Man port at first glance, but it turned out a lot better. Ghosting is reduced, the sound effects and cutscenes are intact, and the maze is better designed. It shows what can be done with 8KB vs 4.

>> No.2175954
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This is actually a great port, even if the VCS version looks nothing like the original.

>> No.2175959
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eight kilobytes, man
today you need more than that for a letter

>> No.2175963
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Donkey Kong: Atari 2600 on the left, Coleco Vision on the right.

>> No.2175967
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Clockwise: Arcade, C64, VCS, DOS

>> No.2175973
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Technically the same game.

>> No.2176072

>>2175963
>DK on the right
What a strange parallel universe this is

>> No.2176185

>>2175959
I've heard that oldschool ram packs are much better.

>> No.2176245

>>2175963
holy shit this game. kill me.

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>>2175967
What shocked me the most was Sega's own SG-1000 version.

>> No.2176965
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kek

>> No.2176968

>>2176965
>36
Shouldn't it run at much higher than that?

>> No.2176970
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Hard to find good comparisons of Neo Geo vs the other 16 bit consoles.

>> No.2176974

>>2176968
They can't run it at the original 70 Hz so they just run it at half that refresh rate.

>> No.2176976
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>>2175946
Why are games nowadays so huge? It can't be just because of grafics.

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>>2176974
>can't
Why?

>> No.2176983

>>2176980
Because some TVs are locked to 60 Hz and less. Some can be overclocked to 70 but it may cause harm to the display.

>> No.2176985

>>2176970
One important thing though, art of fighting 1 had a proper ending in the console versions.
Arcade just ends with a cliffhanger that barely makes any sense. It's also one of the hardest one player modes in any fighting game.

>> No.2176989

>>2176185
heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IagZIM9MtLo

>> No.2176990
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>>2176970

Top left is Neo Geo/arcade, top right is SNES, bottom left is Genesis.

The SNES port is just as bad as it looks.

>> No.2177105

>>2175954
VCS battlezone is a work of art. I'd argue it looks as good as games released 20 years after it.

>> No.2177109

>>2176990
Snes port isn't so bad, stop lying

>> No.2177112

>>2175963
For those who don't know, Atari Donkey Kong looks like shit on purpose. Coleco got the rights to all Donkey Kong releases on consoles, so in making the ports tehy gave extra love and attention to the ColecoVision version and made the 2600 version look bad.

This same deal is also the reason that Atari didn't end up manufacturing and distributing the NES in the US. They were so pissed over Coleco getting the Donkey Kong rights that they immediately refused any further business dealings with Nintendo, something which may also explain why Atari didn't put any games on NES themselves but instead created Tengen to do it.

>> No.2177118

>>2176976
it's everything, the graphics, sound, all of it.

plus OO coding takes up more space at the price of being much more reusable and much less obfuscated. Older programs are like gordian knots compared to modern programs.

>> No.2177124

>>2176976
>>2177118
PC games are loaded with junk data to make them annoying to pirate.

>> No.2177126

>>2176970
>>2176990
Any Garou/later KoF games comparisons?

>> No.2177150

>>2177109
Not him, but most SNES and Genesis ports of Neo-Geo fighting games are kinda shitty. The only 16-bit console to do Neo-Geo justice was the PC Engine due to its Arcade Card upgrade.

>> No.2177151
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>atari 2600

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EGA, VGA, Amiga, Atari ST, CGA

>> No.2177192

>>2177150

Fatal Fury Special on the SNES was pretty decent.
Fatal Fury 2 on Genesis is totally broken, but mad fun.

>> No.2177216

>>2177109
I think he meant compared to the genesis one which was made by tengen.

>> No.2177220

>>2177126
kof ps1 is missing animation frames
everything else looks and plays the same

>> No.2177452
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Left is the original Arcade Captain Commando (PS1 is the same but with just 3-players co-op). Right is the atrocious SNES port.

>> No.2177524

Another World or Out of this World has slight differences from the original version, with its ports. Most are pretty identical, but the most note worthy ones is the SNES version. which has frame rate issues, but a sweet sound track. The jaguar version has redone backgrounds.

>> No.2177550
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C64 master race.

Seriously though: Arcade > x68k > Sega CD > GBA > SNES > trash > rest.

>> No.2177558

>>2177550
>cga teal and vomit green

Master race color palette.

>> No.2177567

>>2177550
>not knowing about the Pyron color patch for SEGA CD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw4G_ofpEQc

>> No.2177570

>>2177567
Yeah i know it, it looks fine for the most part and impressive considering the genesis color limit, but Arcade and X68000 are still better.

>> No.2177571

>>2177550

God, the Amiga port is atrocious. Didn't even knew C64 got a port, but I'd bet without listening at least the music is decent.

>> No.2177572

>>2177550
>spectrum

People don't actually play these ports, do they?

>> No.2177574

What exactly was the x68000 for? Was it designed as a gaming computer?

>> No.2177582

>>2177571
>music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc5JL3ZF7MI

>>2177574
Pretty much, a very expensive high-tech computer with similar hardware to a CPS-1.

>> No.2177592

>>2177118
Keep dreaming.

>> No.2177609

>>2177550
>C64
>ACPC
>ZXS
Man, why even fucking bother?

Why is it, whenever I see ZXS stuff, it has the shittiest sprite-work ever? Monochrome doesn't need to look like someone scribbled all over the screen at random.

>> No.2177612

>>2177550
Teal and urine screenshot from ZX Spectrum version: Dustbin.

How fitting.

>> No.2177624

Someone should grab the comparisons that Game Sack does and webm them.

>> No.2177734

>>2177612

At least the Spectrum can handle 3D games at more than 1FPS. But at least you have some sweet music to listen to when you're waiting for that next frame to render, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwICD0NhgCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1OFYH9SYo

>> No.2177739

>>2177734
holy shit this is great

>> No.2177740

>>2177609
80s home computing was a strange beast

>> No.2177747

>>2177734
Why couldn't Spectrum devs colour inside the lines?

>> No.2177763

>>2177747
because monochrome graphics are fast as sanic

>> No.2177767

>>2177763
so fast they escape the lines?

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>>2177767
wait, do you mean the bug in 2D games when there's a sprite on top of each other their colors would overlap or the 3D games that were posted here?

>> No.2177778

>>2177609
I don't understand why the Spectrum got so much more popular than the monochrome Sinclair ZX81. The colors make it worse in my eyes.

>> No.2177787

>>2177747

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute_clash

Someone probably already posted this link.

>> No.2177802

>>2177778

ZX81 has noRAM.

>> No.2177814

>>2177802
They could have released a model with more RAM instead of those ugly colours.

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>>2177734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS7HYsOEccw

You know you made a good port when the second screen basically says "Sorry guys, but this is going to look like shit."

>> No.2177824

>>2175946
>and the maze is better designed
So it's not a port, it's a remake.

>> No.2177828

>>2177814

The Spectrum has every color the ZX81 has, and 14 more. The color scheme was designed for text. not gaming, just like CGA.

>> No.2177850

Hard Drivin arcade vs. the home ports, ranging from acceptable to "you tried".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JC-HCNcio [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NB_CcwHWGI [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfe2Ze_yDk4 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ell23e81szI [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjsFsIsT6tA [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHcHbmu0Lg [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz21qKtqWj0 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEz4o5eq7k [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l85MTri3hvM [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2DUlfcSOKs [Embed]

Posted in the Daggerfall thread by accident. Hopefully no one noticed.

>> No.2177852

>>2177816
Jesus Christ, could the ZX Spectrum not display more than two non-black colors on a line?

>> No.2177856

>>2177852

See >>2177787

It can't display more than 2 colors in an 8x8 space.

>> No.2177857

>>2177852
Character data is 1-bit 8x8; foreground and background data are specified per-character.

>> No.2177864

>>2177850

I only saw the thumbs, but looks like you forgot the GB version, not sure where to put in your rank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-y7fk8mvH4

>> No.2178431

>>2175959
fun fact: the more bit depth you support by adding RAM, the more RAM you need to carry address information. 64 bit use 64 bit addresses, so they use much more ram than 32 bit ones. Each memory address is twice as long.

>> No.2178471

>>2178431
and it's the main reason some characters win, see Link in any power-level fight, ever.

>> No.2178480

>>2176990
This is due to the Genesis having the same processors as the Neo Geo, albeit at slower clock rates.

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>> No.2179273

>>2175967
Sega's answer to Donkey Kong.

>> No.2179325

>>2177550
>Every screenshot is of Guy
>except the SNES one

Subtle

>> No.2179330

>>2179273
I love congo bongo way more than donkey kong.

>> No.2179446

>>2177767
Thing is though. What it didn't have in colour, the Spectrum made up by being able to shift (larger) sprites about quicker than the C64

>> No.2179451

>>2179325
later on they made a second version called final fight guy where there's a playable guy, but no cody

>> No.2179461

>>2179451
The SNES port wsa truly mediocre, but the GBA port is wasted potential, it could've been one of the best ports, but they went full lazy ass and it was just an slightly improved SNES port, not a port of the Arcade.

>> No.2179479

>>2179461
at least the gba had one really cool mode where you could use their street fighter alpha characters
makes the game easy as fuck but at least it's fun

>> No.2179491

>>2179461
>>2179479
They put pretty much everything back in except for "female" Poison and added a bunch of nifty unlockable stuff. Arcade purists can pick apart muh characters onscreen and such but it looks like a product of respect and care to me.

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>> No.2179597

>>2179491
You are so wrong, it's not just about characters on screen (which 5 is a pretty decent amount since Sega CD and X68000 have 4 and they are still amazing ports).

The big problem is (as i said), that the GBA port is an improved SNES port, which was already inaccurate and flawed in many ways to begin with: the graphics are different to the arcade with (redrawn) worse looking and less detailed backgrounds, the sprites are different too, with worse detail than the arcade and a ugly dark color selection (For example, Two. P is just a pallete swap of J), the animations are severely cut too compared to the arcade, they did NOTHING to fix this on the GBA version, yet they added stupid little extras.

Lastly, the biggest flaw of the SNES version that wasn't fixed in the GBA port: it's not the same game as the arcade, the level design is completely different, the characters AI/attacks act differently too compared to the Arcade, that's why you are playing the SNES version and not an actual Arcade port.

>> No.2179628

>>2177151
How is it that a 5200 game - an unreleased prototype at that - look better than its 7800 counterpart? Wasn't it supposed to be a more powerful system?

>> No.2181258
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On the surface, the SNES version looks the best, but it's actually the worst, wonky hit detection, fewer music (it doesn't even have a boss music) and the graphics have less variety (for example in stage 2 and 3 in Genesis and NES versions, the backgrounds change colors between each "act", on SNES port it's the same all the time). Also in few words, the SNES port is plagued with bugs.

Here a handy pastebin posted by some guy with more details.
http://pastebin.com/BVgtj5BU

>> No.2181270

>>2181258

Jesus this, NES Battletoads play MILES better than the shit they did on SNES

in fact most SNES games had shitty hit detection for some ungodly reason

>> No.2181283

>>2176974
>original 70 Hz
doom engine is hardcoded at 35 frames per second.

It was wolf3D and Doom Alpha 0.4 that ran at 70hz.

>> No.2181316

>>2181270
Konami beat em ups are the king of shitty hit detection though.

>> No.2181321

>>2176970
After playing so many neo geo games on Final Burn Alpha, it's impossible for me to go back and play those inferior ports (though Super Baseball 2020 on the Genesis does have a great deal of sentimental value for me)

>> No.2181330

>>2181321
>(though Super Baseball 2020 on the Genesis does have a great deal of sentimental value for me)

That's because it's a pretty good port, the animations are arcade perfect unlike the cut animations on the SNES version, and the voices are faithful to the original too unlike the generic baseball voices on the SNES version.