/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2152594]

Examples of ports being better than their originals?

and why?

[Anonymous No.2152597]

>>2152594
You just won the thread.
Literally why continue? Might as well delete it now.

[Anonymous No.2152604]

[Anonymous No.2152606]

>>2152597
Harsh

[Anonymous No.2152612]

>>2152604
>No Extreme Battle
>Some of the alternate FMVs are missing
>Voice samples are of lower quality than the PSone version.
The only thing it has going for are the EX files.
captcha: correct

[Anonymous No.2152617]

>>2152604
Maybe if you dislike half the game.
You can't fit two discs on one cart.

[Anonymous No.2152621]

>>2152597
Huh? I don't follow.

[Anonymous No.2152632]

>>2152594
Genesis and TG16 versions are better than the arcade.

[Anonymous No.2152639]

Mega Man IV on the GB. It fixed the boring level designs in Mega Man 5 and I wish they did the other 5 levels and 6.

[Anonymous No.2152647]

>>2152617
The core game was on both discs. The only difference between them were the playable character data, the voice clips and the FMVs.

[Anonymous No.2152649]

>>2152617
wat
it had both scenarios a and b for both characters

[Anonymous No.2152663]

Is Dragon Warrior 3 a good game to play for someone who will have to work night shift this december 31?

[Anonymous No.2152664]

>>2152604
The pc version is by far the best port.

[Anonymous No.2152665]

>>2152663
yes gbc/andriod versions are the same and almost everyone agrees the superior version

[Anonymous No.2152667]

>>2152663
sure make sure you create ur own characters, dont use the premade ones

[Anonymous No.2152670]

Not a port per se, but I always thought the music on this was far more inspired than its SNES counterpart.

[Anonymous No.2152671]

>>2152617
N64 RE:2 has both discs crammed into one cart. It's considered a miracle of compression.

The fmv's and audio aren't as good as the ps1 version, but the gameplay itself runs faster plus no load times.

[Anonymous No.2152674]

[Anonymous No.2152682]

>>2152667
>>2152665
thanks, I will be emulating it in the free time

[Anonymous No.2152684]

>>2152682
It's fucking great.

[Anonymous No.2152716]

>>2152674
Not /vr/.

[Anonymous No.2152725]

>>2152716
Oh but the game it's a port of is /vr/
And if sequels are allowed why wouldn't this be?

[Anonymous No.2152862]

>>2152594
I have to say, after having played the original and the ports (SNES and GBC) several times, I prefer the original. The ports feel like they were really made for people who had already played the original, and just wanted a kind of New Game+ experience. The new class offers little, the board game and medal collection are of dubious real value and the items they give you definitely ramp down the difficulty, along with bonus stat boosts at character creation and what felt like an increased MP total (especially on Jester -> Sage builds).

I played around with the ports but I ultimately go back to the original now whenever I want to play the game.

[Anonymous No.2152864]

>>2152594
But dq3 gbc isn't better than dq3 snes

[Anonymous No.2152865]

>>2152612
The N64 version has a superior control scheme. It also runs at a higher resolution than the PS1 version.

PC version is still better, to be fair.

[Anonymous No.2152875]

>>2152725
The game you posted isn't /vr/, and that's all that matters.

Sequels aren't allowed.

[Anonymous No.2152876]

>>2152632
someone set us up the bomb

[Anonymous No.2152892]

Improved controls.
Improved lighting.
Improved game design.
Improved special effects.
Distinct lack of bug testing and polish.

[Anonymous No.2152910]

>>2152875
oh please, it's a port of a game on another system. It doesn't matter if the port isn't /vr/, only that the original is /vr/.

I'm tempted to say that the 3D Classics Space Harrier is better than the original, if only because the 3D is so dope.

[Anonymous No.2152916]

>>2152910
Dreamcast isn't /vr/

[Anonymous No.2152919]

>>2152916
>Dreamcast isn't /vr/
Yes, it is. Has been for a while now.

[Anonymous No.2152921]

>>2152594
OP, that's not a port. That's a remake of a remake.

>>2152670
This ain't a port either, but a brand new game with a similar aesthetic. But this guy at least recognizes it.

[Anonymous No.2152923]

>>2152919
Dreamcast is a 6th Gen system.
6th Gen isn't considered "Retro" and thus Dreamcast shouldn't be either.

[Anonymous No.2152928]

>>2152923
Dreamcast was released in 1998 in Japan, 1999 everywhere else. According to the sticky, it counts as retro.

[Anonymous No.2152932]

>>2152928
But it shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.2153063]

>>2152916
you haven't read the sticky in months have you

[Anonymous No.2153361]

There's always one fag faggin shit up

[Anonymous No.2153363]

>>2152932
a lot of thinks shouldnt but they do man

[Anonymous No.2153404]

>>2152923
"gens" are for autistic little faggots fuck off. It's from the 90s. Fuck off with your autistic block line "generations"

[Anonymous No.2153456]

>>2153404
Looks like he's got his ducks... In a row

[Anonymous No.2153460]

>>2152919
>>2152923

[Anonymous No.2153479]

>>2153460
THIS!
And besides, dreamcast games discussion are so few and far between anyway it's not like they are taking up threads from your precious retro board or anything.

[Anonymous No.2153486]

>>2153479
>And besides, dreamcast games discussion are so few and far between anyway it's not like they are taking up threads from your precious retro board or anything.
also this

[Anonymous No.2153513]

>browsing MAME roms
>Wow, there was a Turtles in Time arcade game? I've got to see this!
>wait this sucks

[Anonymous No.2154391]

>>2152665
>>2152667

I am that anon, I am playing Dragon Warrior 3, climing in a tower after reaching the town of reeve.
My only complaint is that I have to save the legit way, the first android gbc emulator I downloaded told me to pay for the pro one if I want save states, and the second ones tell me it will only let me save if I am connected to the internet so it can show me ads.
I think the only save point so far was the King in the first town.

[Anonymous No.2154435]

>>2154391
Save points don't become common in Dragon Quest until the fourth game, where you can save at any Priest.

[Anonymous No.2154445]

>>2153460
So because a bunch of last gen games were ported to a next gen system, the next gen system is for some reason a last gen system? Wow! That makes absolutely no sense!
Hey! I guess GBA is retro, too, because it's got all kinds of SNES games ported to it! That makes it a 5th Gen system!

[Anonymous No.2154486]

>>2153486
this

[Anonymous No.2154512]

>>2154435
I got the thief key that opens red doors, went back to starting town, saved and left. will continue tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.2154515]

>>2154391
>not just downloading an apk to use touch screen and have glorious battle backgrounds

You fucked up anon

[Anonymous No.2154516]

>>2152875
Well, considering the original game is on dreamcast, I say it is /vr/.

[Anonymous No.2154519]

>>2152875
Sequels are allowed.
DC is allowed.
It's cool if you're new here but chill out bud.

[Anonymous No.2154545]

This is the best version of Gauntlet 1.

Nearly arcade-perfect, but more than anything the music is epic as fuck.

Furthermore, it's not based on the final revision that fucked up the balance and difficulty of the game. So the Wizard and Warrior are worth using.

The Quest mode is the icing on the cake. Fantastic mode where you go through castles, not levels, meaning you may have to backtrack in order to find proper routes. Also includes stores where you can buy stronger equipment, Boss fights against dragons (like in Gauntlet II but with more variety), items that grant special
abilities like floating and rebounding shots, etc.

No slowdown even when there are 50 enemies on-screen, although there's sprite flickering.

-Very accurate port (based on the best version of Gauntlet arcade)
-Fantastic music (the original game had no music)
-Adds an excellent completely new game mode
-4 players

[Anonymous No.2154550]

>>2154545
Thanks for this, I'm going to play it

[Anonymous No.2154553]

>>2152875
Would you shut up ya stickler?

[Anonymous No.2154556]

Hellfire (Genesis)

Search on Google: "Hellfire Mega Drive 1cc" for a good explanation why.

I've played both versions extensively (I'm not the author of that website) and the Genesis version is fantastic.
Another port that's better than the original is Snow Bros. for the Mega Drive. Snow Bros. is one of the best arcade puzzle-platformers ever and the MD version is even better.

Made by the original developers (Toaplan - and fuck no, Tengen did not make it - they only published it) - it includes an intro and ending, and several new levels played with new characters after you beat the original levels.

The game mechanics, graphics, practically everything is arcade-perfect. The only thing that I found different is that the MD version doesn't have the last boss music. Probably because the last boss in the MD version isn't the last boss of the game anymore.

[Anonymous No.2154952]

>>2154445
The dreamcast games were all released first, before the psx/n64.

Are you blind or just retarded?

[Anonymous No.2154968]

>>2153513
>Turtles in Time
>sucks
fuck off back to /v/

[Anonymous No.2155043]

Killer Instinct snes. Arcade version has obviously better graphics and music, but Snes port fixed a lot of glitches and is way more balanced, plus extra training and tourney modes as extras.

[Anonymous No.2156676]

>>2153513
Oh you motherfucker.
You made my eye twitch a little.

10/10

[Anonymous No.2156683]

>>2154556
thats awesome, I'll check those out!

[Anonymous No.2156732]

>>2152604
>N64 babies honestly believe this

It runs like shit. It's all there but is worse in every regard. I know you Nintendo fags like to think your machine wasn't a turd but for fuck's sake

[Anonymous No.2156763]

>>2156732

How about you stop being a console war faggot underage from /v/ and actually check out the facts?

RE2 on N64 is actually a great port, and to this day the only version with dolby surround (yes, RE2 on N64 has better sound than on PS1, DC or even PC, despite it being a cartidge).

Hideki Kamiya himself said he likes the port (and he's usually harsh with ports of his games that he didn't made)

[Anonymous No.2156779]

>>2156763
RE2 was so good on the N64 I wish RE 0 had been released on it as well, I think it deserved having its own exclusive RE story.

[Anonymous No.2156786]

>>2156763
only good thing about the port is the analogue controls really
"dolby surround" who the fuck cares when every dialogue has been compressed to 10khz mp3 quality and the camera is stationary anyway

[Anonymous No.2156793]

>>2156786

Who cares about the dialogue, dumbass, it's all about the sound effects and the music. If you think dolby surround doesn't make a difference, especially on a survival horror game, then I don't know what to tell you, get a pair of new ears, or a decent audio setup.

[Anonymous No.2157068]

I think the SOTN version included on Dracula X Chronicles is better than the original.
Some people complain about the new english voice acting, but honestly I think both old and new english VA is bad, at least the PSP version gives the option to select japanese audio and, along with the new, better retranslated script, I think it makes for the best version in that regard. I know some people grew fond of the old, corny english VA because of the "what is a man" meme and what not, but nothing beats Wakamoto's dracula.
It also includes the extra familiars from the japanese version along with their voice clips and in the Fairy's case (not to be confused with the Fairie), a nice vocal song called Nocturne.
Then there's the Maria mode, and while she was also playable on the Saturn version, Maria is so much better on the PSP, she uses her moveset from Rondo of Blood, has new animations for the clash attacks with the animals and she's also really fast.

The only downside is maybe having to play on a smaller screen (even if you hook up the PSP to a CRT, the image will be reduced), and the aspect ratio is slightly wider than on the PS1 (no big deal, it doesn't really look bad, almost the same as on the Saturn version).
PSP also lacks R2 and L2 buttons, so sometimes you have to keep remapping actions to L and R, although I just went with L for wolf, R for bat and L+R for mist, no big problem.

Last but not least, I also never liked "I am the Wind" as the ending song.
I know it's cool that they used a sort of unexpected pop ballad song instead of something that sounds more Castlevania-ish, but I honetly like the new piece Yamane composed for the ending of PSP SOTN (which is NOT the Lament of innocence track that was used on the PSN/XBLA version, this one was a new track called Mournful Serenade, composed specifically for this PSP version, as far as I know).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGcRHMc9zE

[Anonymous No.2157089]

>>2157068
Whoa, that's a really informative post.

[Anonymous No.2157287]

>>2156763
>How about you stop being a console war faggot underage from /v/

How about you stop being a petty twat who throws a tantrum every time someone doesn't gobble Nintendo's nutsack

[Anonymous No.2157293]

>>2157287

Who the fuck was even talking about Nintendo? Nintendo didn't work on any on the RE2 ports. But RE2 on N64 is better than both PS1 versions. DC or Gamecube versions are probably the best, but N64 is still the only one with proper analogue controls and dolby surround.

Will you throw a tantrum again about how Nintendo sucks, or will you accept the facts?

Again, go back to /v/, heard they love console war faggotry there since they're all teenagers like you.

[Anonymous No.2157320]

>>2152674
This would be true if they didn't butcher the music

[Anonymous No.2159234]

>>2152665
Uh, no, they're not the same.
The GBC version is a remake of the SNES version. It has additional features such as Monster Medals and a second bonus dungeon alongside the features of the SNES remake, which had battle animation, tiny medals, additional equipment, an additional class, new mechanics, Pachisi tracks, and a bonus dungeon.

The iOS/Android versions are ports of a Dumbphone Mobile version released in Japan some ten years ago. That Mobile version is a stripped down version of the SNES version. It's missing Pachisi tracks, battle animation, has redone overworld sprites that IMO look worse than the original, has worse music and obviously is missing the additional GBC extras.

The iOS/Android versions are not the same as the GBC version and it is most definitely NOT the superior version. It is also the opinion of many that the SNES version is superior to the GBC version and the best version overall.

[Anonymous No.2160198]

>>2154445
I'm waiting for gba to be retro in another year or two

[Anonymous No.2161531]

>>2152875
Oh thank you mighty queen of /vr/
You offer a needed service to us poor plebeian scum.

[Anonymous No.2161534]

>>2154445
This has to be bait.

[Anonymous No.2161537]

>>2160198
Same here. I fucking love the GBA.

[Anonymous No.2161552]

Better then Rondo of blood in every way. Much better design, brighter colors that stand out better, No bullshit sidequesting JUST to finish the game, and best of all, no horrible anime cutscenes, just grit and grime action gameplay.

[Anonymous No.2161559]

>>2161552
I agree.

Prepare for lots of people calling you a faggot though

[Anonymous No.2161563]

>>2161552
really cool music too

[Anonymous No.2161565]

>>2152862
>bonus stat boosts at character creation
What?
Please explain.

[Anonymous No.2161571]

>>2161552
Hahahahahahaha the graphics are way worse, they are disgusting blurry watercolor shit and the PC engine was game was beautiful. Sidequesting? The girls you free are totally optional. The cutscenes are skippable. Akumajou Dracula XX on the other hand has boring level design, far inferior music and the gameplay isn't more superior to any other castlevania game.

0/10

[Anonymous No.2161573]

>>2161571
Speak english weeboo.

[Anonymous No.2161584]

>>2161565
You get 5 seeds.
I don't know if it's bonus though, I'm not sure what the default stats are for both versions

[Anonymous No.2161587]

>>2161573
Dracula X has shit level design, with hardly any vertical platforming which the other games had tons of, level 4 in CV 1, level 6 the clocktower, ALL the castles in CV2, clocktower especially in CV3, lots of levels in 4. Dracula X is the most flat boring shit in the series. It's still a great game but it's not better than rondo lol. Even if you took out the alternate paths and sidequests rondo still has better level design. The first level of dracula x is literally walk to the right the entire time, climb up 2 ledges maybe. You don't go underground into a dungeon like the first game, you just walk to the right.

[Anonymous No.2161603]

>>2161587
>Hold down+right instead of hold right

What a difference!

[Anonymous No.2161630]

>>2161587
>>2161603
It's almost like video games are about pushing buttons.

[Anonymous No.2162093]

>>2156763
rekt.
n64 version is pretty awesome

[Anonymous No.2162104]

>>2156763
>RE2 on N64 is actually a great port, and to this day the only version with dolby surround (yes, RE2 on N64 has better sound than on PS1, DC or even PC, despite it being a cartidge).
To be technical, the N64 port has muffled voices because it uses a Factor 5-developed 15:1 ratio voice compression codec. And the FMVs aren't as high quality.

Something worth considering, though is that the Resident Evil 2 for N64 floating around on ROM sites is actually the REVISED RE2 1.1 version. I tracked down the 1.0 rom, and its layout is drastically different to every other version. There's more difference between US 1.0-1.1 then there is between the PAL and Japanese version when comparing the raw rom data. Be interesting if someone who knows their stuff could find out what the differences are.

[Anonymous No.2163252]

>>2156763
>>2157293
So nice, you posted it twice

[Anonymous No.2163389]

>>2161552
Thats no port, dracula x is a different game, with the samek setting, but levels, bosses, etc is all different, I count them as two diferent games.
I like Rondo better, but drac X is a great gamem too, underrapet or underapreciated due to people wrongly thinking its a rondo port

[Anonymous No.2164539]

>>2152875
i see that you're new here.

[Anonymous No.2164576]

How the fuck was this not already posted
>world map
>boo races
>multiplayer
>first 8 worlds of the lost levels
>score attack mode
>score attack mode has HIDDEN COLLECTABLES HOLY SHIT
>level select for people who have already beaten the game, can start second quest right away if you've gotten it before

This port was a god damn triumph.

[Anonymous No.2164583]

>>2164576
I wish they would port it again and fix the screen size. Even with a serious flaw like that it's still a must-play for fans and much better than the All-Stars version.

[Anonymous No.2165047]

>>2164583
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, I like the reduced screen size. It is a pain in the ass yes but it does add some much needed challenge to a pretty easy game. If you don't have the NES version already you fucked up. (not you specifically guy I mean in general.) Everyone should have that game

[Oakland No.2165050]

>>2154545
Wasn't this port M2's first game?

[Anonymous No.2165982]

the dreamcast port of gauntlet legends is great. it's arcade perfect and includes characters and levels from dark legacy. it's gl 1.5

[Anonymous No.2166013]

>>2164576
I love smb deluxe, but the controls aren't the same; there's less sliding and more control over jumps, making the platforming a lot easier.

If the controls were accurate, it would probably be my favourite version of the game, because you're right about the additional content being excellent.

[Anonymous No.2166032]

>>2165982
Funny, I been playing Dark Legacy. Got 2 more characters to unlock. I'm a level 85 Falconess.

Really wish I had a DC and the DC Gauntlet Legends though :(

[Anonymous No.2166174]

>>2152604
For a first time player it really doesn't matter which version you play of the classic RE games. They are all perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.2166868]

>>2161552

You are a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.2166887]

>>2154545

Play with a friend if possible.. Gauntlet IV and General Chaos are my favorite co-op genesis titles.

Really solid design overall though there is a weird password system that takes some scribing.

[Anonymous No.2166913]

>>2164576

Bought this when it launched as a kid. No one had another copy to play multiplayer, which was exceptionally disappointing. Really loved the score attack mode.

[Anonymous No.2166939]

>>2165982
Beat this for the first time about a month ago.
Red Wizard all day.

[Anonymous No.2167205]

Do ports/remakes on non-retro systems count?
if so:
Chrono Trigger DS
Final Fantasy 3 DS (actual 3, not 6)
All the Pokemon remakes
The DS had a lot of great remakes