Emulation Machine

[Anonymous No.2116094]

Lets build the perfect computer for emulating the classics. This has got to be able to play 90's arcade games no problem.

I don't know if pic related is a good case but the size seems like it would be right.

[Anonymous No.2116101]

>Literally any modern computer with literally any modern video card in it
Fuck that was easy.

[Anonymous No.2116105]

>>2116101
Don't a lot of modern computers come with integrated graphics not suitable for emulating..

[Anonymous No.2116112]

Man this sure is retro.

[Anonymous No.2116118]

>>2116112
If I took this to /v/ or /g/ they would probably wouldn't know what I'm talking about and recommend something that is overkill

[Anonymous No.2116119]

We mainly harp about zero-delay inputs and accurate sync RGB output if you want to harp about something.

ATI chipset video cards have a great hack driver, crt_emudriver.

For minimum delay, use your computer's PS/2 ports for the controllers and use USB for your actual keyboard when you need it.

The ipac makes things as simple as possible, especially for connecting to JAMMA harnesses. You have to wire your own "kick harness"

I could go on but you probably don't really care. Retro emulation is much more about the connections and the software than about the computer's specs.

[Anonymous No.2116120]

>lets make a 2014 console to play video games

sure is retro in here.

[Anonymous No.2116123]

>>2116105
dude even the lowest tier amd apu with integrated gfx will play any bullshit mame emulator

[Anonymous No.2116126]

>>2116105
That's why I said
>literally any modern video card
You could use integrated graphics but you'll be less likely to get accurate retro resolutions and frequencies out of it, even if it has an ATI chipset.

[Anonymous No.2116131]

>>2116101
>>2116105
The main work is done by the CPU anyway.

[Anonymous No.2116132]

>>2116120
It's not a console. The IBM PC is a retro system originally released in 1981.

[Anonymous No.2116135]

>>2116132
Sure is a nice IBM in OP's pic.

[Anonymous No.2116137]

>>2116119
>Retro emulation is much more about the connections and the software than about the computer's specs.
Interesting I had no idea. But do they even sell PS/2 port controllers? Speaking of software is linux good enough or are there better emulators on windows?

>>2116120
>>2116123
What's with the emulate hate?

[Anonymous No.2116141]

>>2116119
Quality post

[Anonymous No.2116146]

>>2116135
It's just a case in the Micro ATX form factor that was introduced in 1997.

[Anonymous No.2116147]

>>2116135
No. It just a Mini ITX Case.

[Anonymous No.2116161]

>>2116147
>>2116146
That joke went into outer space.

[Anonymous No.2116171]

>>2116137
>But do they even sell PS/2 port controllers
That's what the iPac is for. It seems like your primary goal is ideal arcade emulation for which you either use a real arcade machine or at least its monitor, speakers and controllers or you use a Supergun with some NeoGeo or Genesis controllers.

[Anonymous No.2116178]

>>2116137
>is linux good enough or are there better emulators on windows?
Depends on the system. Most emulators are open source but a handful like SSF for Saturn are closed srouce and Windows only.

[Anonymous No.2116183]

>>2116161
>joke

[Anonymous No.2116189]

>>2116178
Good thing there's nothing worth playing on the Saturn. It looks like in order to use that crt_emudriver we still need Windows xp or 7. Damn

[Anonymous No.2116190]

>>2116094
I have that case. It's fucking ace m8.

[Anonymous No.2116192]

>>2116189
Linux don't need hacked drivers

[Anonymous No.2116194]

>>2116190
What are the rest of your specs?

[Anonymous No.2116196]

>>2116194
All I have is the case.

[Anonymous No.2116202]

>>2116196
m8

[Anonymous No.2116206]

Just any old gaming PC with a VGA CRT monitor is fine.

[Anonymous No.2116210]

>>2116190
>>2116194
>>2116196
>>2116202
You guys have been awarded the 4chan Exchange of the Day™ Award for making this
Anon laugh.

Your medals are in the mail.

[Anonymous No.2116235]

>>2116192
Linux is not the best choice for emulation. XP is. gb2/g/

[Anonymous No.2116237]

>>2116206

Basically this.

[Anonymous No.2116246]

As far as specs go for emulation, what matters the most is the CPU. You don't need anything crazy like an i7 4670k (unless you also wanna emulate PS2 and GC/Wii at max res and shit), but you definitely don't want an old Pentium 4, and I would stay away from AMD for the most part, as most emulators take little to no advantage of multiple cores, and their single-thread performance is inferior to Intel's.

A commonly stated bare minimum for running accurate retro console emulators (such as bsnes and Mednafen) and MAME is a Core 2 Duo at around 2.2GHz or equivalent. You CAN use something slower, but you'd have to step down to less accurate and compatible emulators and older versions of MAME.

As for graphics, as others have stated, it really doesn't matter much. At least for the purposes of retro emulation, any cheap, modern card will do. Only consider stepping up a bit if you're also gonna do 6th-gen emulation and/or PC gaming.

[Anonymous No.2116247]

>>2116235
>XP

lol

[Anonymous No.2116252]

>>2116246
Oh, and this is taking into account a relatively simple setup hooked up to a PC monitor (either LCD or CRT) or a modern HDTV. If you wanna go full authentic using a 15KHz arcade display or CRT TV, that's a whole other can of worms.

[Anonymous No.2116279]

>>2116246
Cool that's what I'm looking for.

So far I've got:
>Core 2 Duo 2.2GHZ +
>cheap ATI card if deciding to go with better accuracy
>I-PAC and build arcade stick and controller
>CRT Monitor

[Anonymous No.2116310]

>>2116196
Ha, that's not me.

>>2116194
Budget as fuck mate.
>Intel i3 3220
>4 Gb Ram
>GTX650
Also bought two of these controllers http://www.fc30.com/eng/

[Anonymous No.2116313]

>>2116279
>>CRT Monitor
You'll want a 15-30khz multisync RGB monitor if you want fully accurate emulation. Be prepared to drop a pretty penny on such a beast.

[Anonymous No.2116316]

>>2116310
I also have a SSD for OS and a 2TB HDD for files.

[Anonymous No.2116323]

>>2116313
What does "fully accurate" mean here?

[Anonymous No.2116334]

>>2116316
2TB jeezus. If that's not filled now, it never will cos piratebay just went down I'm sure you know.

[Anonymous No.2116339]

>>2116323
He means for the games to look exactly like they would have at the arcades.

If you don't care that much about that, a CRT monitor is still acceptable. Games will look blockier and sharper than they would have back then, is all. You'll still get most of the benefits of CRTs, such as no display lag (input lag is another matter) and perfect motion (provided you have your stuff configured correctly).

You can, if you want, add scanlines to approximate 240p, although it will result in big black gaps, much bigger than an arcade display would have shown, if it showed any in the first place.

[Anonymous No.2116342]

>>2116334
I have a lot on it already. Music, films, ROMS.

[Anonymous No.2116445]

>>2116339
He'll also get tearing if he runs games at non-native refresh rates.

[Anonymous No.2116448]

>>2116445
No, you'll get stuttering, but that can be eliminated with audio rate control, custom modelines, or ideally a combination of those two things.

[Anonymous No.2116454]

>>2116445
Which is where "provided you have your stuff configured correctly" comes in. And it wouldn't tear if you have vsync enabled, just stutter.

Anyway, it's only really an issue with MAME, and even then if you use something like RetroArch with its Dynamic Rate Control, most arcade games will run just fine without needing to have exact refresh rates set. Only a relative few outliers actually need a dedicated modeline due to extreme deviation from the 60Hz standard.

[Anonymous No.2116470]

I've been thinking about emulating/retro rig setup myself and that's what I've came up with
Monitor/TV: NEC XM29 or Wei-Ya M2929DC-62 / BilLABS BL27CA1K/BL27CA1Q (it should be possible to add 1600x1200 and 2048x1536 in interlaced) or CRT projector Sony VPH-1292
Motherboard: Axiomtek IMB200
Sound Card(s) for ISA: Gravis Ultrasound, Sound Blaster 16 and Yamaha MU2000 + MT32 (for Midi)
Sound Card(s) for PCI: Diamond Monster MX300 (for A3D), Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro (for EAX)
Drives: 2x Transcend CF Industrial (for OS, easy transferring and making/restoring hdd images), Seagate 750 GB IDE (for storing roms and ISOs), 2x Sata Gigabyte iRam in Raid0 (for pagefile, swapfile, temp, cache, whatever and one game that I'm currently playing), IDE Bluray SONY BWU-100A, FDD emulator
Graphic Cards for AGP 4x/8x: Voodoo 4500 (for Glide games and best DOS support), ATi Radeon HD4650 (for CRT emudriver and demanding Windows XP games with EAX, watching blu-ray movies), Nvidia GeForce 7900 (for playing demanding windows 98 games with A3D and AA/AF enabled),
CPU: Pentium 4 3.8 GHz + Cooler Master GeminII with silent fans
RAM: 4x1GB DDR1 (win98 would need rloew patch)
Controllers: AlphaGrips iGrip (for PC games), Playstation 2 to USB converter (for emulation), Microsoft Sidewinder/Gravis gamepad (for DOS)
OS:Win 98 (for pre-NT games and DOS), Win XP (for games with EAX support), Win XP 64bit (for emulation)


And not giving a fuck about often cardswapping is a requirement too.

[Anonymous No.2116571]

>>2116470
You've put a lot of thought into this, Anon and I can see and respect the way your approach is taking in to account various philosophies of retro gaming. I also kind of envy you having the time to conceptualize all that, and to imply that you would have the time to actually use it, reconfiguring it for specific consoles or retro computers and that you have the kind of money to invest in something like that. It's the rig of a man who's made and makes no compromises in life.

[Anonymous No.2116582]

>>2116235
What is RetroArch in KMS mode?

[Anonymous No.2116614]

>>2116470
Wouldn't it make more sense to build separate rigs in this case? A retro rig for DOS and older Windows games, and a more modern rig for emulation. Even at 3.8 GHz, a Pentium 4 is kinda balls for the more demanding emulators like bsnes and some MAME stuff.

[Anonymous No.2116828]

>>2116470
I've been thinking about building a "retro" PC myself, using retro parts and everything, for older games and... just for the hell of it I guess. I haven't really put much thought into it, though. It just seems like a fun project.

Between 95 and 2000, which is the best?

[Anonymous No.2117168]

>>2116094
What's the point? The Retron5 already exists.

[Anonymous No.2117180]

>>2116828
Good idea but not what this threads about.

[Anonymous No.2117187]

>>2116828
the novelty dies off fast when you end up spending weeks trying to load drivers in device manager and nothing is compatible and nothing works right. That was the real good old days.

dosbox works great

[Anonymous No.2117196]

>>2117168
unless you can download Romsets into that nobody is willing to buy 1000 cartridges for that shit

[Anonymous No.2117204]

>>2117187
Not for Windows games, it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.2117210]

>>2117196
>buying
>not already owning

[Anonymous No.2117257]

>>2117168
>paying $160 for an underpowered android emulator box with stolen code
>not picking up an intel nuc and just installing retroarch yourself for the same kind of money
it's like you're not doing this for free or something

[Anonymous No.2117260]

>>2117257
>>2117196
Just report and ignore.

[Anonymous No.2117452]

>>2117187
>spending weeks trying to load drivers he learned how to load in the good old days
>dosbox works great
how to make your self look like a silly kid lesson #45

[Anonymous No.2117462]

>>2116246
>definitely don't want an old Pentium 4
I actually have an old pc i use for emulation that has a p4 which emulates everything up to ps1 no probs.

[Anonymous No.2117498]

>Not using a Shuttle PC as an emulator machine

It's like you guys want some big bulky case. I run my Shuttle with XMBC and Hyperspin by my TV. Handles everything I throw at it.

[Anonymous No.2117624]

>>2117462
>You CAN use something slower, but you'd have to step down to less accurate and compatible emulators and older versions of MAME.

[Anonymous No.2117641]

>>2116582
>Advocating Retroarch as the best emulator front-end
>Advocating Retroarch as the best anything

[Anonymous No.2117653]

>>2117498
Mine's a Zino HD I got for $20 But I still use my Wii more often for retro emulation since it puts out SD so nicely over component and the MCPC is HDMI/VGA only so not too friendly for my distribution amp, my RF transmitter or my CRTs.

[Anonymous No.2117978]

>>2117641
Yeah man some closed-source nagware running on top of a pirated copy of the deprecated XP OS with some poor hackjob ATI drivers for shitty old GPUs is clearly the superior to just running RetroArch in KMS mode on any current distro

[Anonymous No.2117982]

>>2117978
Post pictures of your 15khz RGBS Linux rig please

[Anonymous No.2118004]

>>2116246
I have a core 2 duo 2.8ghz and can confirm bsnes accuracy runs like shit in most games.
ps2 and wii emulation is garbage on it too.
you'll need an i3 3220 or better.

[Anonymous No.2118236]

>>2117641
RetroArch has a couple annoying things about it but it's one of the best options for this.

Running it on top of a capable PC outputting to your TV is pretty much the objectively best way to emulate if you want to play on the couch

[Anonymous No.2118329]

>>2116105

>come with

What the fuck are you talking about? If you don't build your own desktop at this age then you're a fucking retard supporting the jews. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2118361]

>>2118004
>actually running the Accuracy build

It's useful for literally one mediocre game. For everything else, Balanced is the exact same thing, but much faster. And if you need even more speed, consider the Mercury fork, which is even more optimized and gives you the option to use HLE special chip emulation for even more speed.

[Anonymous No.2118492]

>>2117982

Not him, but there's this guy
http://filthypants.blogspot.ca/2014/11/hooking-pc-to-my-arcade-cabinet.html
http://filthypants.blogspot.ca/2014/11/creating-custom-edid-for-arcade-monitor.html

[Anonymous No.2118518]

>>2118492
>#define CLOCK 31960 /* kHz */
Yeah, no... But at least you tried.

[Anonymous No.2118917]

>>2118492
why would you make a custom edid instead of just using xrandr?

[Anonymous No.2119262]

>>2117624
>>You CAN use something slower, but you'd have to step down to less accurate and compatible emulators and older versions of MAME
Well you're wrong again .... im using shmupmame42ui and only a small portion of games won't run at full speed those being cave sh3 titles and st-v neither of which i care much for anyways.

[Anonymous No.2119408]

>>2118917
Because it's necessary for running outside of X11

[Anonymous No.2119445]

>>2119262
Isn't that a hacky version based on an old version of MAME?

[Anonymous No.2119457]

>>2116094
For jitterless gameplay, I use an Alienware Area-51m that a neighbor gave me. It can run everything from GOG that came out before 2005 at the lowest resolution the game supports which has so far been 640x480.

Not big surprise but this fossil runs Windows 7 Professional 32-bit and can handle every Windows XP native game I own unlike 64-bit.

[Anonymous No.2119481]

>>2119445
It reduces input lag considerably from regular mame which is beneficial to shmup players like myself . This one isnt based on a mame THAT old no the older releases however were based on wolfmame.

[Anonymous No.2119657]

>>2119408
why couldnt you change the modeline outside of x11? aren't they getting rid of x11?

[Anonymous No.2120070]

>>2117641
Seconded. Retroarch is shit.

[Anonymous No.2120171]

>>2120070

Not really.

[Anonymous No.2120187]

PS2

Dualshock 2 is the best controller ever made second to only the Dualshock 3.

The emulators work pretty well and there's enough games on the emulators that work not to bother with those that don't

Plus playing an emulated game on your coach with a nice CRT TV >>>>>>>>> sitting on a chair and staying so close to the screen when playing.

[Anonymous No.2120282]

>>2120070
hahah

[Anonymous No.2120851]

I want to say Dreamcast would be the machine to get for this but pc engine shits on itself after a few minutes on top of running slow

[Anonymous No.2120929]

>>2120851
>Dreamcast
wtf?

[Anonymous No.2120968]

>>2120929
Emulators run nicely enough

[Anonymous No.2121015]

>>2120968
>nicely enough
...for you - i.e. a subjective standard. Objectively, emulators run better on Wii and are simpler to run and Wiis cost the same or often less than Dreamcasts. I love Dreamcast but it's not the ideal emulation machine.

>>2120171
>It can run Crash so it's gud.
RetroArch is for lazy assholes who can't or won't be fucked to tweak individual emulators for their systems which makes it weird that supposed Linux mustard-tacers are advocating it over XP as a platform for emulation. which makes me suspect Linux distros are getting poseur friendly.

Mednafen's a good core and everything but there's literally no logical defense for claiming a pre-configured front end 9and an ugly one) like RetroArch is "the best".

Just referring to RetroArch as an emulator is, in itself, enough to give you away as not really knowing that much about emulators.

[Anonymous No.2121035]

Just get a damn Wii. It emulates anything 2D just fine.

[Anonymous No.2121109]

>>2121015
RetroArch is for people who want advanced A/V options not found in standalone emulators. Running on platforms that standalone emulators do not support is another reason.

Being "all in one" isn't the reason most people use it, otherwise they would be using MESS or Bizhawk as well.

[Anonymous No.2121116]

>>2121015
>lectures anon about subjective standards
>goes on to make sweeping, matter-of-fact statements about why people use RetroArch

[Anonymous No.2121132]

>>2121015
A lot of emulators on Linux were shittily ported and rely on SDL for everything, so they tended to perform worse than on Windows. RetroArch doesn't rely on SDL and uses native APIs such as DRM/KMS directly so it can get the best performance it can out of Linux. As a result, it can perform the best out of anything available on Linux with right setup.

XP is an outdated and discontinued OS so I'm not sure why you would use that now unless your computer is a complete toaster.

[Anonymous No.2121186]

>>2121109
That's all well and good but this thread is about how to get the most accurate emulation experience possible. I agree that it offers a good combination of simplicity and accuracy, especially on nonstandard platforms but to argue that it's ever the most accurate is definitely ignorant.

>>2121116
There is nothing contradictory about these two things.

[Anonymous No.2121194]

>>2121132
>and rely on SDL for everything, so they tended to perform worse than on Windows.

[Anonymous No.2121201]

>>2121109
Retroarch user here, I actually didn't know those 2 you named existed tnat's why I play with Retroarch

[Anonymous No.2121230]

>>2121132
SDL largely uses those platform APIs of the platform it is compiled to run on, stripping away irreverent code at that time - it's not like the compiled code is stepping through massive platform comparison blocks at every statement. I find it doubtful this layer of abstraction would cause any meaningful performance impact over duplicating the busywork directly in the emulator's own code.

[Anonymous No.2121352]

>>2121132
Of you don't understand why XP is used for emulating retro consoles then you probably shouldn't be comparing performance of Linux emulation machines to Windows emulation machines.

[Anonymous No.2121578]

>>2121352
how's winxp on ARM? or any other architecture besides x86? have fun using an obselete os on an obselete architecture

[Anonymous No.2121638]

>>2121186
>That's all well and good but this thread is about how to get the most accurate emulation experience possible. I agree that it offers a good combination of simplicity and accuracy, especially on nonstandard platforms but to argue that it's ever the most accurate is definitely ignorant.
Exactly which systems covered by emulators ported to libretro have more accurate open source alternatives available as standalones?

mednafen's more accurate PCE emulator is the only one I can think of, but it'd seem silly if you went bashing RA over only that, so please post the long list that gives the "most accurate emulation experience" so the rest of us can learn how wrong we've been.

[Anonymous No.2122065]

>>2121230

It does a shitty job at implementing those platform APIs.

SDL is a huge homongous piece of dogshit. Just lowest common denominator garbage.

[Anonymous No.2122082]

All this talk about multi-emulator frontends brings a good question: What can allow us to use the emulation machine entirely from a usb (or I-pac) controller? Retroarch does this? No keyboard or mouse should be necessary after initial setup. Power button -> ready to go

[Anonymous No.2122095]

>>2122082
aka what's a good media center distro for browsing through emulators

[Anonymous No.2123346]

>>2122082
Maybe Lakka, based on OpenELEC and RetroArch, if you're looking for a premade distro solution. Just about any OS with XBMC and RA installed will work too, although I wouldn't recommend Windows as it has a tendency to minimize fullscreen programs to pop up shitty messages about updates being available or whatever, requiring you to go find a mouse or keyboard to get back in.

Running XBMC on Windows for a couple of months made me very bitter.

[Anonymous No.2124275]

>>2123346
>pop up shitty messages about updates being available

That can be disabled.

[Anonymous No.2124383]

>>2121015
Nobody said Dreamcast is the ideal emulation machine.

Read this post again, please
>>2120851

[Anonymous No.2124595]

>>2124383
Okay let me go ahead and...

>>2116094
>Lets build the perfect computer for emulating the classics
>>2120851
>I want to say Dreamcast would be the machine to get for this

Hmmmm. Nope, still sounds to me like someone is saying dreamcast is the perfect computer for emulating the classics, except PC Engine.

Maybe I'm just getting old and don't understand these new fangled forums and cornputer conventions.

[Anonymous No.2124794]

>>2121015
>Just referring to RetroArch as an emulator is, in itself, enough to give you away as not really knowing that much about emulators.

Dude WTF are you talking about?

There is nothing out there that can compete with RetroArch's DRC. That in itself makes it lightyears beyond any other 'frontend' or 'standalone emu' there might be.

Nobody else has audio/video synchronization sorted out the way RA has.

Enjoy your crappy crackling sound and non-smooth video while RA continues getting it right in every single game that is being ran in it.

THAT is why people use it above and all else.

[Anonymous No.2124826]

>>2124794
Again, Retroarch is a front end for an API. The arrogantly named "cores" are the emulators and are capable of everything they do under retroarch and more.

RetroArch's DRC is neat and everything but we're discussing the PERFECT computer and the perfect setup will run everything at its native mode anyway

[Anonymous No.2124936]

>>2124794
RetroArch is nothing without the actual emulators actual programmers have written in all these years of the scene kid

[Anonymous No.2124941]

>>2124826

"and the perfect setup will run everything at its native mode anyway"

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, gamer kiddie.

Fact is, RetroArch running the core is indisputably superior to whatever 'standalone' 'frontend' you can find.

You misunderstand what a 'core' is and what a 'frontend' is because you are not a programmer, and therefore your opinion is worthless. Only programmers matter and know what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.2124942]

>>2121638
squarepusher please fuck off

[Anonymous No.2124946]

>>2124936

False dichotomy. RetroArch doesn't pretend to be anything other than a libretro frontend.

It just so happens that it makes these emulators BETTER in the progress, which is why it gets mentioned.

Now stop with your bullshit. You know you are seguing into all sorts of nonsense to distract from what we should be talking about.

There is nothing wrong about 'RetroArch' being mentioned in the same breath as 'emulators'. It is evidently part of the emulator scene whether you like it or not.

Now fuck off and go suck gayczar byuu's cock some more. I heard the pathetic Japanophile loser bitch just recently quit, so good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.2124951]

>>2124794
>>THAT is why people use it above and all else.

Well it's not the interface cause goddamn that is shitty.

[Anonymous No.2124952]

The perfect emulation machine is a gaming PC with a CRT monitor.

[Anonymous No.2124953]

>>2124941
>RetroArch can output 15-30khz RGB signals by itself
Taking credit for other people's work should really stop at SOME point, SP.

[Anonymous No.2124956]

>>2124951

You must be stuck in the past since there are at least 4 GL menus now and no they don't look crappily.

Once again you don't know what you're talking about. Suck byuu's dick some more pathetic Higan groupie,

[Anonymous No.2124960]

>>2124953

1. I'm not SP.

2. You suck byuu's gay-adled dick so much that I find it hilarious that coming from you. Byuu is a fucking hack that had everything he supposedly 'claimed credit for' in bsnes written by others. Libco, blargg APU, ARM, the whole fucking lot, that fucking hack never wrote anything 'himself' and always relied on more skilled people than him doing the actual work. And here you are talking some shit about 'taking credit for other people's work'. It's hilarious I tell you. Byuu is a stupid romhacker kiddie that outgrew his boots and didn't even know what an identity matrix is. So much for this 'math genius'.

Good thing that cockroach is gone now so you're left without a cult leader to follow now, bitchass.

[Anonymous No.2124961]

>>2124953
>RetroArch can output 15-30khz RGB signals by itself

It can if your video card supports those modes. You can specify any resolution mode in the config with video_fullscreen_x and video_fullscreen_y.

[Anonymous No.2124963]

>>2124952
Not unless it has an ATI video card compatible with crt_emudriver attached to it and its CRT is capable of 15-30khz sync and rotates.

>>2124941
>RetroArch running the core is indisputably superior to whatever 'standalone' 'frontend' you can find.
Did you mean GroovyMAME? Because if you didn't you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.2124973]

>>2124961
System-by-system but not game-by-game, and multiple games require a variety of resolutions. Squarepusher has no intention of ever supporting any of this and thinks that CRT users are "a bunch of retards"

https://archive.moe/vr/thread/1091384/

[Anonymous No.2124975]

>>2124963
>Not unless it has an ATI video card compatible with crt_emudriver attached to it and its CRT is capable of 15-30khz sync and rotates.

Nonsense. You can use a 31kHz PC CRT with any video card, there's no need for 15kHz unless you are totally insane about having an "authentic" display that of worse quality than an average PC CRT.

[Anonymous No.2124978]

>>2124960
>I'm not SP
>Unprovoked diatribe against bsnes
Yeah... right.

[Anonymous No.2124979]

>>2124975
Yeah we must be retards for wanting it to look like it's supposed to look.
>Coming soon, forced smoothing shaders in RetroArch because SP knows better than we do what's best.

[Anonymous No.2124985]

>>2124973
Nah, just use a single mode that's superwide (like say, 3840x240) and resolution changes will be handled by scaling with no noticeable difference. Even GroovyMAME does this for Windows 7 now.

There's no need for "automatic mode switching", that's backwards thinking from the 15kHz arcade purist crowd.

[Anonymous No.2124986]

>>2124978

> Gloating over the fucktard byuu being gone is always good. You don't have to be SP to wish him gone.

[Anonymous No.2124989]

>>2124985
>15kHz arcade purist crowd.
>backwards thinking
Oh, you mean a huge segment of /vr/? Yeah great choice of places to badmouth accuracy.

[Anonymous No.2124990]

>>2124989

> Oh, you mean a huge segment of /vr/?

5 people.

OK, maybe 6.

[Anonymous No.2124991]

>>2124979
Cool hyperbole there. If you want to use lower quality 15kHz CRTs, go right ahead. But don't expect people to cater to that or to care, especially when there are PC CRTs that are both nicer looking and easier to deal with on PC, and when advanced pixel shaders have been created (such as CRT Royale) that can accurately simulate CRT effects given a high resolution and high refresh rate LCD is used.

[Anonymous No.2124998]

>>2124989
A huge segment of /vr/ doesn't give a fuck about emulation, much less with CRTs

[Anonymous No.2125008]

>>2124989
There's nothing inaccurate about superwide modes. If you use nearest scaling with integer factors, then there is literally zero difference from using regular 320x240 or 256x240 or whatnot. Even if it's non-integer, your CRT won't be able to resolve the off-by-one errors anyway due to the extremely small size of the horizontal pixel.

[Anonymous No.2125021]

>>2124963
>Did you mean GroovyMAME? Because if you didn't you're wrong.

>seriously using MESS for emulating consoles

[Anonymous No.2125036]

>>2124956
I Don't give a fuck about Higan. You bought it up.

>You must be stuck in the past

That's what it feels like to use RetroArch.

[Anonymous No.2125043]

>>2125036

That's quite something coming from somebody that swears by MESS.

Even trap15 thinks it's a piece of crap.

[Anonymous No.2125056]

>>2125043
You seem to think I'm the other guy posting. I'm not. I haven't tried mess.

[Anonymous No.2125082]

>>2124989
Dude, you guys are a niche of a niche of a niche.

You're hardly the majority on here, where lots of people use LCDs to play their games

[Anonymous No.2125084]

>>2116101
>Fuck that was easy.

Every decision is easy for a retard because you don't have to think about them.

>>2116246
Is completely correct.

[Anonymous No.2125090]

>>2125082
>being an enthusiast
>using an LCD

Pretty much incompatible. And yes, I view HD content on a Plasma screen.

[Anonymous No.2125092]

>>2125090
>No true scotsman

[Anonymous No.2125101]

>>2125090
What do you "enthusiasts" play Gameboy or Gamegear games on?

[Anonymous No.2125107]

>>2125101
Cute.

[Anonymous No.2125113]

>>2124979
>Yeah we must be retards for wanting it to look like it's supposed to look.

What makes you think you can't get it to "look like it's supposed to look" on a 31kHz PC CRT?

[Anonymous No.2125136]

>>2116105

This is a typical integrated GPU (Intel HD 4000) running Dolphin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahGwM6qhuCw

Here is an even weaker integrated GPU (Radeon HD 7480D) playing Battlefield 3. You can get the CPU it comes on for $45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4BprY-FSc

I know they're not retro, but modern CPUs and GPUs can handle any /vr/ game you can possibly throw at it.

[Anonymous No.2125192]

>>2124275
Yes, probably, but it wasn't just Windows Update. Windows' firewall would suddenly decide it was time for reconfiguring security settings in the middle of a movie, as would Java demand to be updated, or Adobe software, or something else -- all these stupid popups triggering minimization of the fullscreen application in full use. It seemed like for every notification you disable another one would eventually show up, making it as futile a process as trying to kill a hydra by cutting off its head.

Note that this had been a general-purpose laptop computer before taking on the role of temporary HTPC, which is why it had lots of different software installed.

It's still no excuse for Windows' behavior though; lots of shitty software running in the background at all times and pestering the user with annoying notifications because there's no proper system for handling updates, and then there's the problem that absolutely nothing except system-critical processes should ever be allowed to minimize a fullscreen program. It's unacceptable, and doesn't happen on ANY other OS.

[Anonymous No.2125193]

>>2125113
Because consoles are supposed to be at 15khz

[Anonymous No.2125323]

>>2125192
>lots of shitty software running in the background

That's sounds like user error. Not the os's fault. You could have uninstalled BonziBuddy.

[Anonymous No.2125390]

>>2125193
Emulators don't care about scan rate, only your display does.

[Anonymous No.2125403]

>>2125192
>i have no idea how to use a computer
ok

[Anonymous No.2125407]

>>2125390
Our eyes care

[Anonymous No.2125413]

>>2124998
i don't know how you could be interested in /vr and not use emulators. it's like being interested in music and not using spotify which in this case would be free.

[Anonymous No.2125416]

>>2125407

Not really. It can look like 15kHz but actually be higher.

[Anonymous No.2125425]

>>2125416
Black frame insertion is a stopgap. Does your LCD have a strobing backlight too?

[Anonymous No.2125451]

>>2125425
>stopgap

Nope, it's a good solution provided your CRT display can compensate the brightness loss. 480p with inserted black lines is also a good solution and can also display 480i content natively as well as 240p.

15kHz is wholly unnecessary and not recommended unless you really, really want to use a PVM or some other RGB studio monitor. Anything that lacks RGB (i.e. the majority of American televisons) can't even be used that way anyhow without some extra converters.

[Anonymous No.2125513]

>>2125323
>>2125403
It's not 'user error', it's Windows shit being bent-backwards pants-on-head retarded as usual. Am I using my computer wrong because I installed fucking Java because the bank required it for login? Or Flash because YouTube and every single other site used it before HTML5 video finally took over?

It's not reasonable that a user has to go inspect the list of processes every single time one installs a piece of software, or having to go all options in a newly installed program to disable notifications disrupting regular system operation and call-home features.

You can't blame ME for the fact that Windows minimizes programs to display notifications from the systray. That's not 'user error', and it sure as hell shouldn't be something that can even happen on a properly engineered system.

No other OS does anything as stupid as this shitfest. I've run Debian, Red Hat, Arch Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, even OS X, and they never pulled this shit. When I'm doing something on my computer, no program has the fucking right to try to take control or hijack my attention. In other words, if I'm not sitting down in front of the computer for the express purpose of doing system maintenance, the system should get the fuck out of my face and let me do my thing in peace.


Now, of course, fine corporate apologists like yourselves won't allow your precious little hackjob piece of shit OS receive this kind of 'abuse', so please go ahead and do your thing. Maybe you'll try blaming the user again from a slightly different angle, saying it's my fault for running programs in true fullscreen instead of windowed fullscreen? That'd be fun. Or will you argue it's reasonable that default settings make your system an unusable shitfest? Don't make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.2125524]

>>2125513
>Debian, Red Hat, Arch Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, even OS X
im surprised your computer didn't explode

[Anonymous No.2125568]

>>2125524
Sorry bub, they are all far better and more stable operating systems than Windows. I understand it's hard for you to believe, never having known anything but abuse.

[Anonymous No.2125590]

>>2116119
How the fuck does that wiring even work? Connecting player 1 and player 2 button 5's to the same pin? As well as other buttons. Also one of the LED's seem to want to be grounded with the black running off into dark blue, though there's no reason for the ground to continue off in that direction at all.

[Anonymous No.2125602]

>>2116189
you're fucking stupid. there's a lot of great gaming to be done on the saturn. idiot.

[Anonymous No.2125609]

>>2116313
i think i paid 450 for my wells gardner d9410 27"

[Anonymous No.2125625]

>>2117641
i fucking hate retroarch, but im not using windows 7 either

[Anonymous No.2125665]

>>2125513
i like this post. but now i wanna make you laugh.

ok, so the queen of england comes over to a renowned hospital in ....lets say chicago. shes walking with the head nurse down the hall. they enter a room where a guy is beating his meat for all its worth.
"oh my!!" the queen says. "Why is this atrocity happening??"
the head nurse says "well, ma'am, this person suffers from a rare disease where he has to masturbate every 4 hours in order to stay alive"
"OK" the queen says, considering the circumstances. they go into another room and a guy is getting the blow job of his life, i mean, he's really lovin it.
"Well i never" says the queen
"This can not have an explanation!!!"
the head nurse says "he's got the same thing that other guy had.. only he has a better HMO"

[Anonymous No.2125672]

>>2116105
You need to work on your reading comprehension buddy.

>>2116101
Yeah, seriously, As long as it has a decent CPU and GPU, bluetooth capabilities, a ton of USB ports and extra PCI slots for serial card expansions it'll be pretty much perfect.

[Anonymous No.2125703]

>>2125513
Still sounds like you are blaming os for what thirdparty software does.

[Anonymous No.2125710]

>>2125513
>fine corporate apologists
>uses osx

Sure thing bud.

[Anonymous No.2125997]

Mini ITX case, I got a tiny sexy one from silverstone. ML06B
Mini ITX mobo, Z97
i3 4130T, because it's 35w
Worst thing is bluray, no one sells a thin bluray slot load drive except silverstone.
Two PWM fans for the case.

That case is damn tiny though. You can't get a full height card, much less a double wide modern GPU.

Intel graphics have been fine so far though.

Use an xbox 360 wireless controller. Come at me bro.

Using steam in home streaming to get my graphics off my good computer for high end pc games.

Going to put emulators locally on the i3.

[Anonymous No.2126005]

>>2125997
>Tiny case
oh, and cable management is a mess. I've ended up with the power cables crushed up against the drive cage, and most of my slack living inside the drive cage. I still had interference problems with the bluray squishing a cable into the stock fan.

Heating and cooling is totally solved though, it's perfectly quiet running, The bluray spinning (at high speed, not at movie speed) is the loudest thing.

[Anonymous No.2126007]

>>2125997
why would you need a bluray drive

[Anonymous No.2126010]

>>2126007
... To watch blurays?

It's also a bluray/dvd/cd burner/reader but that's not really the feature I wanted.

[Anonymous No.2126012]

>>2126010
what does that have to do with emulation

[Anonymous No.2126018]

>>2126012
Because I don't want a separate bluray player when I could have a bluray/htpc/emulation machine in one box.

I guess I could stick psx/ps2/whatever games in there, but I'm not into those much. I mostly want 16 bit emulation.

[Anonymous No.2126019]

>>2126018
psx didnt use bluray

[Anonymous No.2126024]

>>2125407
The human eye can not see a difference in Kilohertz magnitudes.

[Anonymous No.2126026]

>>2126019

[Anonymous No.2126032]

>>2126018
There are "16 bit" CD games.

[Anonymous No.2126048]

>>2126032
I'm not sure what your point is. You could stick almost any disc shaped object in the slot of my HTPC and play it on an emulator, or under windows, or watch the movie it contains.

[Anonymous No.2126090]

>>2126048
He really misses the sega cd?

[Anonymous No.2126541]

>>2126024
>I have total shit eyes and am retarded

[Anonymous No.2126546]

>>2126541
Normal people have trouble distinguishing between 60 and 120 Hz but you can obviously see hundreds of times more than that.

[Anonymous No.2126709]

RetroLag in KMS mode demystified:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,133194.msg1446726.html#msg1446726

[Anonymous No.2126742]

>>2126709
They need to redo that because RetroArch has frame delay implemented now

[Anonymous No.2126824]

why does this thread even exist?
>get a modern video card
>get the best Intel CPU you can

that's fucking it.

[Anonymous No.2126852]

>>2126824
This thread was made for some guy to pimp out his 15kHz PC setup.

[Anonymous No.2126973]

Was thinking of building a mame arcade cabinet, not sure whether to do an upright or tabletop cabinet.

[Anonymous No.2126984]

>>2126973
Make one were the screen is on the ceiling and you sit in a motorized reclining chair.

[Anonymous No.2127205]

>>2126742
>frame delay

Is that what GroovyMAME uses for minimal input lag? What does it do exactly?

[Anonymous No.2127209]

>>2126973
>Makeshift UMK3 cabinet
>Not even the proper MK button layout

Why do people do these things

[Anonymous No.2127214]

>>2126546
Well 120khz is only twice as fast as 60khz and both are pushing the limits of what most human being can perceive.

However, 60khz is 4x the speed of 15khz and 90% of people should be able to easily perceive the difference.

[Anonymous No.2127215]

>>2127209
It was the only marquee he had.

[Anonymous No.2127216]

>>2126973
If you have table space to permanently or regularly put it on, there's really no reason not to make a tabletop in the year 2014. 50% of an upright cabinet is unused space anyway and the number only increases once you use computer hardware and a flatscreen.

[Anonymous No.2127349]

>>2126973
what if you dont want to play mortal kombat?

[Anonymous No.2127358]

>>2127349
that's just an image example of the size

[Anonymous No.2127465]

>>2127205

Delays emulation processing for X milliseconds before a vsync occurs, reducing wait time between inputs being registered and results being shown on screen.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Input_lag#Ways_to_reduce_input_lag

[Anonymous No.2128493]

>>2126742
Frame delay may reduce lag by 1 frame at most, so in the best scenario RA+KMS would still lag 1.69 frames behind GM+XP/W7, on average.

[Anonymous No.2129728]

>>2128493
lol retrolag

[Anonymous No.2129749]

>people arguing over ~1frame of input lag differences

lol

all this input lag shit is a placebo, you couldn't tell the difference if your life depended on it. just play the fucking games in whatever system or software you like the best and stop sperging out over insignificant shit.

[Anonymous No.2129763]

>>2129749
today it doesn't matter because games are designed around laggy tvs, laggy controllers, laggy graphics apis lag everywhere. An old arcade game is a stand alone machine with dedicated hardware and display

[Anonymous No.2130239]

>>2126742
>>2126709
>>2117641
>>2117978
>>2116582

why can't anny delete all this retroarch shilling , obviously posted by retroarch's dev. all he ever does is shitpost on almost every emulator related thread and tell us to suck byuu's dick.

the shittiest of shitposters on /vr/

[Anonymous No.2130297]

Here are some options depending on what way you want to go and how much you want to spend:

shitbox of any kind, linux distro
Price: depends what you have handy but not much
>will do most old stuff fine, but struggle on anything newer and MAME

i3 modest build with W7
Price: about 400 bucks
>play most things just fine
>use an older GPU for svideo out for lazy crt use

i5 with W7
Price: 500-600 if you want to do it right
>emulate anything and do MAME well
>toss in an older gpu if you want svideo again

Arcade cab with PC in it.
Price: probably about a grand if you really deck it out with real controls
>shove in the i5 build and kick ass

Highly custom machine.
Price: not sure too labor intensive for me with minimal gains, time I could be gaming
>>2116119 like this

[Anonymous No.2130313]

>>2126024
Sure it can. Strobe an LED at 1kHz, strobe another at 2kHz, flick your eyes about as fast as possible. Difference is obvious.

[Anonymous No.2130430]

>>2127216

>using a flatscreen for an arcade cabinet

top kek

[Anonymous No.2131250]

>>2125407
Horizontal scan rate isn't something the human eye can see, resolution and vertical refresh rate are things you can see.

[Anonymous No.2131450]

I bought a presario c500 at $10 just for this purpose from a yard sale last weekend. Waiting for the charger to come in next week which I ordered yesterday because the charge the laptop came with finally gave up and cost $5.98+$4.59.

I was able to enjoy Patriot Dark and Magic Engine in that hour of charge it had with no screen tear.

[Anonymous No.2131498]

>>2131450
http://www.engadget.com/products/compaq/presario/c500/specs/

I suppose it uses integrated graphics so I have no idea how it will handle PlayStation emulation much less native windows 3D games, I will be content if it can run CHD based roms like Killer Instinct or Street Fighter III Third Strike.

[Anonymous No.2131668]

>>2116094
a netbook would do.

[Anonymous No.2131724]

>>2124960
Who the fuck are you then?

[Anonymous No.2131754]

>>2124973
>You people are really mentally handicapped. I feel sorry for you.

>Man what a freakshow.

every time

[Anonymous No.2131770]

A reminder that all emulation is damnation

[Anonymous No.2132073]

>>2131770
I like demons.

[Anonymous No.2132290]

Just want to say that if you are to emulate NES, dont use anything that is not Nintendulator.

[Anonymous No.2132443]

>>2132290
>Nintendulator.

What a weird name.

[Anonymous No.2132468]

>>2131770

How so?

[Anonymous No.2132505]

>>2129749
Try Beatmania IIDX and you'll see what a difference 1 frame makes.

[Anonymous No.2132520]

>>2132505
I love you want you to play IIDX on my body.

SLAKE IS BEATMANIA

[Anonymous No.2132529]

>>2130430
>not using Wells Gardner industrial grade LED or at least something from BenQ

[Anonymous No.2132596]

>>2132290
Please. Nestopia is more than good enough for the vast majority of games, and even if you must have near-byuu-tier accuracy, puNES is actually the best one.

[Anonymous No.2132706]

>>2132596
Nintendulator has the best of the both worlds.