/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2084021]

ITT we post games that everyone thinks they suck, but they actually don't.

Take this for example, because of AVGN everyone thinks it sucks as much as LJN games but it was actually done by Sunsoft, it has amazing graphics for the NES, parallax scrolling (something that the NES was supposedly incapable of), it has that heavenly Sunsoft music and the gameplay is nowhere near as frustrating as the nerd said, it's in fact more forgiving than the first batman game on the NES.

The same goes for the GB version; instead of being just a watered down port, it's a completely original game, the controls are not frustrating at all, the grappling hook if better (IMHO) than the one in bionic commando and again, the music, what can I say, it Sunsoft, just listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnAsI_shLTo&hd=1

[Anonymous No.2084030]

>>2084021
He hated it? How could he not see the opus magnus of Sunsoft?

[Anonymous No.2084035]

Also, this one.
It's often regarded as one of the worst games of all time because of the stupid "All your base" meme, but the games is actually good.

I mean, it's not R-type or Gradius good, but it's pretty good.

And the music, just damn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK4h9Kvgw34&hd=1

[Anonymous No.2084036]

>>2084030
I don't then he actually hated it, he just had to nitpick all the little flaws for the sake of comedy.

[Anonymous No.2084040]

>>2084035
>It's often regarded as one of the worst games of all time

no. it's. not. it's regarded as one of the worst translations, I've NEVER seen it regarded as one of the worst games ever.

[Anonymous No.2084047]

>>2084021
>parallax scrolling (something that the NES was supposedly incapable of)

It is incapable of parallax scrolling, at least 'true' scrolling. True parallax scrolling requires at least two background layers to work, while the NES only had one. How RotJ did it is by animating the background areas by looking as if they were moving, such as the clouds in the first stage. One other method other NES games often employed was by splitting the image horizontally and setting each portion to scroll at a slower speed than the other; this system here is pretty much how the trainer battles work in Pokemon, the opponent is one half of the background scrolling right, the player is the other half of the background (with sprites for part of his hat) scrolling left.

Sword Master and Metal Storm both showcase the "flipbook" method of 'parallax' scrolling, the method wherein the background is animated with new graphics to appear it is moving. Notice the repeating patterns of the mountains and trees.

[Anonymous No.2084049]

>>2084040
Screw Attack did so.

[Anonymous No.2084053]

>>2084040
Gametrailers, if one of their silly countdowns said it was on of the worst.

[Anonymous No.2084064]

>>2084047
Sword Master seems to have a pretty good assortment of colors in that screenshot. It'd be even better if they used blue for the menu items inside the gold menu, rather than gold for everything. Then again, that would change from stage to stage, because of background palette differences.

[Anonymous No.2084117]

I liked it way more than Zelda 1

[NESfag No.2084120]

The problem with Return of The Joker is that there is not room to see what's coming at you. Gameplay is pretty basic, too.

[Anonymous No.2084127]

http://wayofthepixel.net/index.php?topic=9173.0
This goes over the backgrounds/tiling in Sunsoft's Batman. I've played and I certainly agree its one of the best looking games on the NES. If I remember right, AVGN really didn't go into that game much. And, honestly, I've never seen the game discussed anywhere where it wasn't at least praised for its pixel art and anyone who knows shit about pixel art is likely going to have respect for the game.

>>2084035
Don't even start that shit. It's just the translation. Honestly becaue it's a meme, it is gonna stay know and more people are gonna play it out of curiosity. I did and found it was a pretty servicable shmup.Nothing specular, but I've had fun with it.

[Oakland No.2084132]

>>2084127
>>2084040
G4 (namely Filter) gave it a whole lot of shit too, but that was the same goddamn show that said Shenmue is the worst game of all time.

So fuck 'em.

[Anonymous No.2084225]

>>2084132
b-but... shenmue was groundbreaking and widely appreciated when it came out...

How do these "gamers" know so little about gaming history? They just played it yesterday and were like "damn these graphics suck, and what's with the voice actors?!" without considering its historical context?

[Anonymous No.2084250]

>>2084225

Wouldn't surprise me if they're shitting on older titles on purpose to keep the majority of the AAA rehashing buying public from questioning why games used to be a lot better despite the graphics being 'worse'.

The video game industry in general just feels like a massive scam nowadays.

[Anonymous No.2084404]

>>2084250
videogame industry fears original ideas & innovation; they can't issue annual rehashes like call of mappack with titles like shenmue to compete against

[Anonymous No.2084581]

best of the NES trilogy, come at me

[Anonymous No.2084589]

>>2084581
>im
>fucking
>plying
While Simon's Quest may not be a bad game in itself, it's a bad Castlevania.
I'd give more input but I haven't bothered to play the game more since I got the superior CV3, which is more of an actual sequel than CV2 was.

[Anonymous No.2084592]

>>2084225
What did Shenmue do exactly that made it so groundbreaking? I haven't played it yet, but it doesn't look too special. Graphically yes, gameplay wise it just seems like a three dimensional Grand Theft Auto 2 with less humor.

>>2084581
After the fan patches, maybe. Then again it is more of a spinoff and shouldn't be seen as a trilogy, nor should it be fairly compared to Castlevania since it isn't even the same genre.

[Anonymous No.2084649]

Sunsoft's other NES Batman game is a lot better. Return of the Joker is clunky and your sprite is too big.

[Oakland No.2084657]

>>2084592
The whole cinematic and open world feeling back in 1999. You felt like everyone had a life in the game, since they did. There's always something to do.

You need to consider when the game came out how special it was.

[Anonymous No.2084673]

>>2084040
I've seen it on a couple of worst game ever countdown lists. Hell EGM had this one countdown that aired on MTV which listed it on there and all they talked about was the translation.

[Anonymous No.2084686]

>>2084592
>What did Shenmue do exactly that made it so groundbreaking?

Forklift racing.

[Anonymous No.2084691]

I see this game bashed a lot whenever it's rarely brought up, hell even I used to shit on it a lot including on here yet for some reason I keep going back to it and finding it more and more enjoyable. I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome or if it's just something that's not enjoyable on first glance.

[Anonymous No.2084692]

>>2084049
Screw Attack is a bunch of fucking clowns. Never give them the time of day.

[Anonymous No.2084693]

>>2084049
I think they also shit on the first Virtua Cop because of the rings that formed around enemies who were going to shoot claiming it made it too easy.

[Anonymous No.2084694]

>>2084064
They kinda couldn't since the NES lays colors out for backgrounds in 16*16 areas, at least by default. The menu bar is entirely the same color because of the border. To get a better grasp of what I'm saying, look at the trees. Notice how there's a square that uses a different color from the leaves. Notice how the grass sits directly above the ground.

[Anonymous No.2084703]

I found Deadly Towers to be pretty good, not amazing, but good and yet it usually gets on top ten worst games of all time (the game only sucks if you get stuck in the labyrinth)... It's a fun little action/RPG...

Also Dick Tracey was a fun action game where you couldn't shoot the unarmed baddies (like in real life), with colorful characters ideal for a video game and some minor detective work... and responsive controls.

[Anonymous No.2084706]

>>2084117
This. Zelda II gets a really bad rap, but I'm willing to bet people who badmouth it never gave it a fair chance. It's actually a very well-made, fair, intense action game. Once I got into it, I was obsessed with it until I was finally able to beat it.

[Anonymous No.2084716]

>>2084581
Castlevania 1 is still the best Castlevania ever.

[Anonymous No.2085236]

>>2084021
hard as shit though

[Anonymous No.2085239]

>>2084030
This isn't even as good as the first Batman game they made, which is one of the best action titles on the system.

[Anonymous No.2085241]

[Anonymous No.2085260]

Westwood Park is an affluent residential neighborhood located in southwestern San Francisco, California, near St. Francis Wood and City College of San Francisco.

[Anonymous No.2085621]

>>2085241
I'm currently playing Castlevania 64 after asking about it here on /vr/ and up to now I like it enough that I'm thinking about getting LoD, too.

[Anonymous No.2085629]

It's a great platformer.

[Anonymous No.2085643]

>>2085629
whats with the "1up" for player1 and "2up" for player2 back in those days?

[Anonymous No.2085648]

>>2085643

that's how arcade game controls were labeled

[Anonymous No.2086641]

>>2085648
Confirmed too young to have ever played in an arcade.

[Anonymous No.2086648]

>>2084694
Ah, I didn't know it had to be 16x16. My bad. Still, it looks good.

[Anonymous No.2087352]

>>2085629
good platformer, catchy OST, but its a chore to play it in a single sitting, seriously!?, no passwords!?

[Anonymous No.2087373]

I liked it a lot when it was new. In retrospect it was nothing amazing or special, but still a competent if generic RPG.

I don't understand the stigma associated with it potentially being one of the worst RPGs of all time.

[Anonymous No.2087614]

>>2087352

Yeah, now that you mention, I never finished it, I only rented it back then and never could get past world 2 or 3. But man, I loved the shit out of it every time, I didn't mind playing through the same levels again.

The music was especially magical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhYM63nfMNA

I think it's seriously one of the best soundtracks on the NES, great chiptune right there.

[Anonymous No.2087618]

>>2087373

It was basically the first JRPG that came out for the PS1 and it was mediocre so people were sorely disappointed. Nowadays it is mostly remembered for that because there isn't much else to remember it for.

[Anonymous No.2087620]

>>2087618

So kinda like Quest 64.

[Anonymous No.2087631]

>>2087620

Yeah kinda, though with Quest 64 it was more like "the only JRPG for the N64" (not really, but close enough)

[Anonymous No.2087724]

Snake's Revenge has an unfair reputation.
Not only is it a much better game than the NES port of the original Metal Gear hell, I prefer it to the MSX original as well, it's got some of the best music in the series.
http://youtu.be/WsctFJXHjjE?t=1m5s
That said, too few have played MG2:Solid Snake.

[Anonymous No.2087730]

>>2084581
One of the best Castlevanias conceptually, and has a great soundtrack that hasn't been explored enough by other games in the series besides Bloody Tears. Such a shame it never got an enhanced remake that fixed its flaws while keeping its amazing atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0xSEi4PLSY

[Anonymous No.2087816]

>>2084706
My nigga

>playing my first time on the NES
>getting rekt everytime
>gitting gud eventually
>enjoy the shit out of the game
>spending an entire weekend trying to defeat Dark Link because fuck pussies, we doin' it in the manly way

[Anonymous No.2087823]

>>2086648
With MMC5, the attribute area (as it's called in NES mumbo jumbo) is reduced to 8*8, or a per-tile basis. Despite being a barely functional and incomplete port of Retro City Rampage, ROM City Rampage shows off what the NES could really do, when using the MMC5.

[Anonymous No.2088526]

Pretty much any capcom game that got sequel, chip 'n dale 2, duck tales 2, any megaman thats not second one.. Theres literally nothing wrong with them but everytime someone mentions them someone hates it for whatever reason.

And speaking of sequels, startropics2 gets lots of hate for its weaker story which somehow ruins whole game when it plays, sounds and looks a lot better.

[Anonymous No.2088679]

>>2084706
yeah you're very correct.

anyone who has completed it will give it points for it's length and challenge.

people who say it's too hard are filthy casuals

[Anonymous No.2088979]

>>2088526
Startropics 2 sucked because of the controllers.

>no blinkin time
>still had to stop moving before you can move to another direction due to still working on the grid like movement form the first one which even there was problematic at times
>loose jumping
>mediocre music
>why wasn't on SNES?

[NESfag No.2089140]

>>2088526
imo Duck Tales 2 is a great and much better than 1 in every single aspect (yes, EVEN music).

However Chip'n'Dales 2 is pretty weak. The level design isn't as good and it lags a LOT in 2 players, so much that it's pretty much unplayable.

[Anonymous No.2089158]

>>2084592
>, gameplay wise it just seems like a three dimensional Grand Theft Auto 2 with less humor.
What the fuck? No, it's nothing like that. It's more like a point and click adventure without a mouse.

[Anonymous No.2089160]

>>2084117
2nd'd. I didn't get why people thought it was bad.

[Anonymous No.2089223]

>>2087373
>I don't understand the stigma associated with it potentially being one of the worst RPGs of all time.

It's because it didn't utilize the PS1's hardware capabilities at all. If you look up anyone shitting on it they are usually making claims like the same exact game could have been done on the SNES. Granted I don't think it's fair to claim that it's the all time worst even if it's just in the genre but it's understandable why people disliked it when it came out.

[Anonymous No.2089230]

>>2088526
I've never seen any hate for Duck Tales 2. It's overlooked because of its late release date and the epic moon theme meme. What are the actual gripes people have with it? Because I have personally enjoyed it much more than the first game. And yes, even the music was better.

[NESfag No.2089532]

>>2089230
People usually say the level design isn't as good (I think it's much better, with more side paths, better enemy placement, etc), that the musics are worse.

[Anonymous No.2089564]

>>2089532
>music is worse

Nigga everything is worse than Duck Tales 1.

[Anonymous No.2089574]

>>2084021
Dont think AVGN dislikes this game.
I definatly dont. I had this as a kid, and its a great game. The soundtrack I've listened to million of times, its good, we know!

[Anonymous No.2089575]

>>2089140
I dont recall chip 'n dale 2 having any slowdown or at least being unplayably slow, then again I had PAL version. And I did play it though(single player) and it didnt lag/slowdown at any point.

[Anonymous No.2089580]

>>2089140
I dont recall chip 'n dale 2 having any slowdown or at least being unplayably slow, then again I had PAL version. And I did play it through recently(single player) and it didnt lag/slowdown at any point.

[NESfag No.2089602]

>>2089580
I said in 2p mode.

But in PAL, the entire game is slowed down anyway no matter what.

[Anonymous No.2089667]

>>2089602
Huh, I had to test it and you are right(its been ~10 years since I last played it in co-op), even those two-player mini-games are hilariously laggy. Also PAL version is actually one of those few which has been optimized for slower speeds, music is just about the same and gameplay too.

[Anonymous No.2089693]

>>2087373
i remember this game well. wouldnt say i hated it completely.. i mean i beat it twice.. but what irritated me the most is the high encounter rate, the enemies were pretty annoying to fight.. and the worst part.. long annoying puzzles with no break on encounters. lots of backtracking and etc. cant remember quite clearly but i think healing is limited too. otherwise its kinda fun, class changing is pretty rad, akin to sd3, but not as deep.