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Previous thread: >>2064923

These threads are for the civil discussion of CRT displays (TVs and monitors) as used for retro video games and systems allowed by the board rules in the current sticky (>>1392415 ). Subtopics *directly* related to this main topic are welcome.

A few tips so we don't get our thread deleted and have better discussions:
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast), vidya only. Slight OT might be okay if strictly related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend.
>Have fun and enjoy glorious cathode displays

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x

Decided to go with one without bloom.

>> No.2080445


Nice photo, the one on the previous thread had it's colors off.

Anyway, currently trying to get a KX-27ps1 with a really low overall operating time and in a great state.

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Popful Mail on my 34" JVC i'Art.

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>> No.2080625

Anyone know how to bypass digital processing on hd crt's? Specifically a Sony 34xbr960. Beautiful set but the input lag is killing me

>> No.2080807


Often you can't. If you're talking about the scaling, the tube itself is often limited to a single horizontal sync frequency.

>> No.2080824

I basically want to be able to use 480p on this set without the image processing this tv does on the incomming signal. Basically a 480p signal through component -> RGB conversion then to the guns

>> No.2080836


And what image processing is this? Is it scaling or something else?
Like I said, if it's scaling then it's likely your set is only capable of scanning 1080i.

>> No.2081126

So I got a free Trinitron TV the other day, and it has a pink tint to it. Anything I can do, or is it just stuck pink?

>> No.2081138


Is the image pink regardless of signal used?
Perhaps there is an incorrect setting in the service menu.

>> No.2081140

I've played around with the settings and when I lowered the "picture" setting it became less pink and a little dimmer. I tried two different composites, one in front and one in back, and they both outputted the same result.

It's not that big of a deal, it looks better after I fucked around with the settings a bit, I'm assuming that it's just showing its age.

>> No.2081204

Where's the best place to get a Crescendo TC1600 VGA to YPbPr transcoder?

>> No.2081210

degaussing coil

>> No.2081225

I suppose 540p and 480p aren't compatible?

>> No.2081261

Can I buy a cheap Sony to SCART cable and expect it to work with RGB on both PS1 and PS2?

>> No.2081263
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It feels so good, /vr/

>> No.2081350

So I ordered a Sony PVM and I just realized I don't have any BNC adapters or whatnot (because I figured I'd never get my hands on a good deal CRT). Will any 'ol bnc adapters do?

>> No.2081363

>using fuzzy blurry warped shitty screens

>> No.2081371

Mhm, although if you ordered a PVM I would assume you would be getting an RGB cable?

>> No.2081376

Yeah,although for more modern consoles like a ps2 I hear component is fine?

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If the SCART cable is super-cheap it may only be wired for composite.

Just wait for retro_console_accessories to get some more SCAAAAAAAART cables in stock and order from her like everyone else does.

>> No.2081393

Component is fine, it's effectively the same as RGB. And yeah, any old BNC adapters will do the trick. I think you can still get packs of them at Frye's and Microcenter, easier to find online though.

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>that convergence

>> No.2081440

Where the hell do I get that for cheap, I don't have one and it looks and sounds scary.

>> No.2081448

http://www.frys.com/product/487898 ?
A corded drill will work in a pinch though.

>> No.2081453

Jeez, I guess it makes sense to cost so much.

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ok guys dumb question, would these adapters be all I need for connecting a console to a PVM via component?


>> No.2081490

oh shit I linked the wrong one, got I am tired ignore

>> No.2081495

These will allow you to use a normal RCA component(or composite for that matter) cable with PVMs that have BNC connectors:

If the PVM photo you posted is the one you're getting/have, it likely won't accept component, only the RGB it is labeled for.

>> No.2081503

Ey I got a Teac with scart RGB,
I wanna enter the service menu but the service manual says I need a "Factory Remote" of sorts with a special "Factory Menu" button.
Wat do?

>> No.2081528

>If the PVM photo you posted is the one you're getting/have, it likely won't accept component, only the RGB it is labeled for.
don't all pvm's NOT support component?

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So many of my photos are taken over component, it's not even funny. Essentially anything PS1 related for one.

It all depends on the model. Older ones usually won't support it, and the BVMs with expansion cards might need a specific decoder card for it, but there are quite a number of PVMs that support YPbPr component video right on over the same connections as RGB.

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And the ass end of my 20M2MDU.

240p/480i component over either of the RGB lines.

>> No.2081558

That's amazing, How much did that cost ya? ah it's 480p that PVM's never support right? Is that a VGA connector? Can it support the Dreamcasts VGA? All the CRT's with component seem to be double or triple the price of those with just composite/rgb/s-video

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>That's amazing, How much did that cost ya?
$50 + $40 shipped at the beginning of 2013.

>ah it's 480p that PVM's never support right?
Multiformat monitors like the L5 series and certain BVMs support anything from 240p/480i to 480p, 720p and even 1080i. They're not rare outright, but by no means common or the rule.

>Is that a VGA connector?
VGA has 15 pins, that only has 9; It's used for connecting a remote for controlling the monitor.

>Can it support the Dreamcasts VGA?
See above; It's not used for video signals. Also, VGA from the Dreamcast is 480p and as such wouldn't work on a 480i monitor like this anyway.

>All the CRT's with component seem to be double or triple the price of those with just composite/rgb/s-video
Really all depends on the model. Cheaper late model "budget" monitors would usually only have RGB if not just composite/s-video.

It's the multiformat models that get stupid in price.

>> No.2081574

Somebody tell me why scanlines are supposed to look so good? They don't look much worse than what LCDs do to old videos game.

>> No.2081580

Have eBayers gotten wise? That tv model you have is going for like $300 minimum, and practically all PVM's are getting similar treatment.

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They act as a sort of natural anti-aliasing, making sprites and the like look less blocky.

This works at normal viewing distance, but a considerable portion of the effect is lost in the close ups that I tend to post.

This >>2081541 old shot of Sonic 2 isn't too bad on it though.

Yeah, the prices have shot up quite considerably over the past year and a half. Hell, I think some NIB ones sold for $250 a few months before I got mine.
I should note that it was originally listed at $100, but I was tipped off by another anon that (I believe) lurks these threads that they would accept less. Really glad they did, that was the last $90 I had at that point.

I think there are actually three of us that got monitors from that same auction.

>> No.2081595

>I should note that it was originally listed at $100, but I was tipped off by another anon that (I believe) lurks these threads that they would accept less

hmm via the "offer" button I presume?

How does a PVM-14M4U for $90 sound like?

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Yeah, I think it was a best offer.
Still a bit miffed that someone else ended up bidding on a 1353 I convinced someone to relist with a shipping option; That have bit a nice little monitor.
I think it was a 13'' at least.

>PVM-14M4U for $90
Assuming it's in good physical condition, M4s are definitely good monitors; Sharper tube than mine at least.

If shipping isn't too much, it'd not a terrible price, but that's just me. I'm the kind of person that will wait forever for something to drop a small fraction of the price just to save a few bucks.

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and http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODM2WDkwNQ==/z/cL0AAOSwnDxUbp-O/$_57.JPG

is the blue some type of magnet damage?

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God damn, I can't seem to form proper sentences tonight to save my life.

Note: first time I put that together, it was written former proper.

It's hard to tell from such a blurry image.
If it wasn't for those two spots, I'd write the image off as just being poor photography, but they make me wonder.
You could possibly ask for a clearer photo of the same screen; Sometimes they'll actually do so.

How much are they asking for shipping?

>> No.2081643

Kya, i note you've got lots of audio plugged in there. Will a PVM generally take both red/white audio inputs from a console, and if so, how, and what do you have to set to make it work? Or is it only mono...?

>> No.2081646


PVMs are only mono.

>> No.2081651

You could hypothetically get an adapter and combine the L and R audio to feed into the PVM, but it'd still technically be mono. That picture is a bit old, I have everything piped to switchers and an amp now, fed to a pair of KG4s.

The mono speaker is pretty damn good, and gets decently loud without distortion, but you'd ultimately want a separate audio setup.

There are a few that have options for stereo audio; Even built in amplifers for feeding external speakers. That's really only on older 2*30s and stuff though. Maybe the Profeels too.

>> No.2081653

>There are a few that have options for stereo audio; Even built in amplifers for feeding external speakers.

I think that these are the KX series/Profeels, yeah, not really the ones marketed to the professional users I think though.

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20/2530 and 2950 all have stereo inputs, that much I know.

Whether these were marketed for professional use, or which between them and the profeels came first is another question all together.

>> No.2081659


There's a couple of aspects to it.
At a distance, it makes low games look much less blocky. Unfortunately if you're using a big screen then the scanlines can become way too harsh and distracting.
There's also the element of "it's how it was meant to be seen".

>They don't look much worse than what LCDs do to old video games.
Have you compared them directly?

>> No.2081662


Scanlines don't matter, what matter is better color rendition, better contrasts, better black level, lack of ghosting and smooth motion.

>> No.2081687

true. Scanlines are a product of the way the technology works. The tech itself is how old games were meant to be seen, and they way those images display is better - more colourful, more distinct without being blocky, warmer and more vivid.

>> No.2081731

The original profeels were much older than that one in your pic. Whether (only) certain generations of the profeel had stereo inputs/speaker outs i have no idea.

>> No.2081738

Thx man.

Anyone have the service manual for the PVM-14M4A? Or can recommend a good site to buy one? I own the set, though i have to have the damn thing shipped yet. Saving up atm :)

>> No.2081742


All the Profeels I know have stereo audio input/output, as they were targeted to home cinema enthusiasts and/or HiFi audio/video freaks.

>> No.2081745

Like I said, I really don't know. That is a 2950 though; I have a feeling the 2030/2530 are older and likely more directly comparable to the Profeels.


>> No.2081753

ok, i suppose i should have realised that :)

I have that one, but thx for the link.

Should we start adding Service Manuals to the pastebin? With a big warning about trying to fix high mains/voltage equipment. I'd be happy to upload anything i have to buy...?

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I have some links to go into the pastebin, just haven't gotten around to writing any more or updating it.
Should probably get on that; I'll try to update it before the weekend is out.

>> No.2081797 [DELETED] 

This picture is absolutely terrible.

>> No.2081802

Can you explain why?

>> No.2081804 [DELETED] 

Too blurry. Not sharp enough. It looks horrible.

>> No.2081808

Looks fine to me.
You know you can zoom in, right?

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Yay weak N64 RGB.

>> No.2081810 [DELETED] 

If you like it I guess that's all that really matters, but not everyone has that low standards.

Did you do the RGB mod?

>> No.2081813

shitposter pls go

>> No.2081817
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To quote myself from the last thread "RGB from the N64, no amp, just the raw signal coming out of the VDC-NUS A run directly to the multi-out."

And from tumblr:
After confirming that the amp that I had originally put together for modding the SNES mini was indeed not working/fried/etc, and burning a few strands of hair, I decided it was too late to try to solder together the second amp and do things the “right way”. With that, we’ve come to this:

Wiring VDC-NUS A directly to the Multi Out.

After reading a nice bit about how weak the N64’s RGB out is and how it needs an amplifier unless you want an impossibly dark image, I decided to connect it up just for the hell of it with the intention of opening it back up to install the amp at a later date. I likely will still do so (assuming I don’t fry the second amp as well), but I have to say, I’m surprised by the results so far.

>> No.2081820

>opening it back up to install the amp at a later date
Sounds annoying as hell.

>> No.2081826

True, but it was stupidly late(5-6am) and I'm terrible when it comes to soldering; I'm sure this cheap ass RS iron doesn't help matters. Putting together that amp would have been at least an hour or two of work.

>> No.2081829

Except I'm not shitposting. I was just proven correct in that the picture isn't perfect because he didn't use an amp. Me being rude doesn't make me not right.

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I'm shocked that those posts actually got deleted.

And yeah, it is by no means perfect; My "work around" for the moment has my contrast cranked all the way up with a small lowering of the brightness.

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Too high contrast makes the picture go blurry, that why you need the amp. The N64 was always pretty bad in the picture quality department.

>> No.2081845

I blame the VI filter.

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Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
This would work a lot better if I had a photo of MM8 or X4 Saturn; Or a working Saturn for that matter.

Like I said, it's only temporary. Really hope I don't end up frying my second amp.

>> No.2081857

ok, I usually play games close up because I am better there. Is there a way to not have scanlines on CRTs? Yeah.

>> No.2081870

Smaller CRTs will have smaller gaps between each line of actual picture, so they'll be less visible.
Lower quality CRTs will usually have electron guns that aren't as focused as those of higher quality tubes, and that will also make them less visible.

Scanlines are just inherent to how the technology works, so you're really not going to be able to get rid of them, only mask them; Especially for 240p content.

>> No.2081994


A good CRT is so damn delicious with retro games.

What are you using, anon?

>> No.2082032

>Is there a way to not have scanlines on CRTs?
PC monitor CRT, emulator, integer ratio nearest scaling (at least 3x vertically if you want the scanlines totally invisible).

Or if you insist on using original hardware, you can get hardware line doublers with minimal latency (some scaler boxes support this if configured correctly and using the right connections).

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I picked up a PVM-14M2MDU from the hospital that I work at's electronic recycling.
Perfect fucking condition too.

>> No.2082131

Im using a superwide resolution on a pc CRT following instructions from this: http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation_on_a_CRT_Monitor

Game doesn't cover the entire screen, has black bars on top and bottom. Is it supposed to be like that? Talking about snes emulation.

>> No.2082135


How big are the black bars?
SNES has a vertical resolution of 224.

>> No.2082140

free shipping, I'll ask

so can anyone try to get stuff from a hospital's electronic recycling?

>> No.2082141

Nah, I work at one. Well, 'worked' I should say, got laid off the other day.

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Nice. Looks pretty good, too. I want to find a good 20" PVM/BVM but I wont hold my breath. My kd-27fs170 will have to do for now.

I suck at taking good pictures of tv screens.

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>> No.2082146


Have you tried running the Windows desktop in the same resolution? The same aspect ratio problems may be present there. Your monitor probably has manual size and position adjustment.

>> No.2082151


Also: you can probably place the blame on that picture quality on composite, and my A/V switch.

My SNES mini looks a lot better thanks to S-Video

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Increasing the brightness reveals part of it is retroarchs fault. Would like to know what the proper settings are.

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No the set is capable of 480i/480p/720p/1080i through component and doesn't upscale from what I observed (although 480i signals do get converted to 480p by the set).

The image processing I'm referring to is things like edge enhancement and such, methods used to make the video clearer/cleaner from what I can understand. This means that a 480p signal for example goes through these "enhancements" and adds delay my games.

I remember someone bypassing this enhancement processing on a different sony trinitron set but it was long ago and I can't seem to find where I read that anymore.

Here's a pic of the inputs I'm referring to.

>> No.2082210

so for 6th gen consoles and the Wii, multiformat is probably better?

>> No.2082324

>Video: 256x224p
How is it RetroArch's fault if you're trying to display 224p at 240p? Increase the vertical size so the black pixels are in overscan if you want to display 224p.

>> No.2082409

So should one disable or enable overscan cropping in Retroarch?

>> No.2082461

is the PVM-20L5 god-tier CRT? It's multiformat, 20", plenty of connectors. It can handle all consoles at their best res and connector up to Wii correct?

>> No.2082475

There's an option in the service menu called HDPO on some Wega XBR sets. Bypasses framebuffer entirely for 1080i and 480p signals.

If you're complaining about lag on a Wega, though, you're likely experiencing placebo. It's well under 1 frame.

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Don't have the plate that covers the open SDI slot so I had to improvise.

>> No.2082761

I'd be suspicious that some form of scaling/processing was still going on to display 480i. Were any consumer sets made so multisync they would display 480i/480p and anything higher?

>> No.2082767

Yeah, pretty much god tier, or right at the top of the next tier down. It is multiformat, as you suggest, and it will look great for anything 6th gen and backwards, and for the wii. It takes BKM cards for input, so make sure it has the inputs you need.

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It by default will have all the standard input you would expect from any PVM built right in. (RGB, YPbPr, Composite, SVideo)
This >>2082490 is where the BKM usually goes. BVMs usually have the inputs only on the BKM cards so you really have to pay attention with those. Usually have RGB and SDI so if you want composite or YC you'll need a card that supports it.

>> No.2082846

What's a good basic CRT for someone just getting into these things? Something on the smaller side would be nice

>> No.2082958

Will the set support Y/C and composite through those ports on the back though? Or do you need the BKM card to make those work?

>> No.2082960

Oh, i see, i read your post wrong. Yeah, i knew BVM's needed the inputs cards, or older ones need the ports built in and most don't have s-video.

I didn't realise the PVM-20L5 would support all that without the car though.

Just about anything by Sony. Most old manufacturers that aren't obviously making cheap shit would be fine. Avoid HD CRT's.

>> No.2082998

do the corners here look like dirt or some type of irreparable wear?

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forgot the pic

>> No.2083083


>tfw discontinued

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>> No.2083205

Work out what IR frequency and modulation you need and make a transponder to send the right signal to the TV.

Or buy a Service Remote, though good luck finding one. If the manual offers no alternative, you're screwed.

>> No.2083206

were there ever any 16:9 PC CRTs ever made?

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>> No.2083212

A-are there any left?

>> No.2083281


>> No.2083283

That idiot is using someone elses photo of a completely different set all together. I'd be careful.

>> No.2083330

I recently got a SCART converter and cables for my Genesis and the colors look yellowed and dark, there's also a lot of flickering, dunno if it's the converter, the component cables, or the shielding in the SCART cable (which are from retro_console_accessories, btw). Anyone know what might be wrong?

>> No.2083358

I asked this before, but could someone direct me to an easy way to degauss a monitor for cheap? Google sucks at finding good results, and I'm pretty sure this free trinitron tv I got doesn't degauss anymore for whatever reason.

>> No.2083434


that is scary, considering when I message him about the marks he said they are there when he turns it on, and isn't sure what it is. So he probably just lied about that.

>> No.2083435


I would recommend something in Sony's FS100 line (namely the 27FS100).

- Very popular thus very common.
- Great quality, even composite looks nice due to its comb filtering (somewhat important since a lot of people starting out have been using composite and only have the composite cables their console came with).
- S-video for when you want better quality.
- Component video for if you want to check out RGB (using a transcoder).
- Also great for 6th gen consoles and Wii because of component video, as well as a 16:9 "squeeze" feature that makes widescreen content nice and sharp.

Depending on how dense the population in your area is you should be able to find one pretty easily. I see about one or two pop up on craigslist in my area (which isn't big enough to be considered a city) every month, if you live somewhere more urban you should have no problem.

>> No.2083442

Hey, do you know how to troubleshoot FS models? I have a 27FS120 that has a pinkish hue on any input I give it, including the built in menus. I can't find a degauss button, and I don't have a coil. If I turn the "picture" setting way down some color returns, but is it just dying? I'd like to keep it for a retro box, but it looks so shitty. Any help would be appreciated!

>> No.2083467


I'm probably the wrong person to ask since I actually know very little about CRT servicing but that sounds like an issue with the tube since it's affecting every input.

>> No.2083469

That's what I figured. I can still play stuff on it for the time being. I'll just keep my eyes open for Trinitrons or other similar tvs while I try to troubleshoot this one.

>> No.2083535
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Pretty sure I'm missing blue.

Facing another CRT towards it(tube to tube) and turning it on/activating its degauss should work.

Corded power drill will work as a degaussing coil.
And of course buying an actual degaussing coil.

>> No.2083539


Naah, the trees are black, I think you don't have enough green.

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I dunno, I really think blue is the problem here.

>> No.2083548


Weird. There are blue tints, green tints, but all the colors are still wrong. I dunno, maybe there's a problem with both?

>> No.2083551

Yep, it's definitely blue. Disconnected the blue line with no change, disconnecting green goes to pure red.

I wonder if it's possible to have only ruin 1 line of the amp, or if they would all go at once.

>> No.2083560

If there's white, you're not missing anything.

Problems with chroma decoding?

>> No.2083562


He's using RGB.

>> No.2083565

he plugged green in blues place and vice-versa

>> No.2083568

Upon looking, I did in fact have blue in outputting to green.
However, switching these has now given me blue, but no green.

>> No.2083580

I'll have to give that a try in the morning.

I'm not sure what you are asking. The sony 34xbr960 can output the different resolutions of 480p, 720p, & 1080i. 480i signals get upscaled (is that the right word for it?) to 480p by the set automatically but if you feed it 720p or 1080i, it outputs 720p/1080i.

It really is a great crt, very sought after from what I can tell.

>> No.2083585
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nvm i fixd it

>> No.2083818


KD-27FS170 owner here.

If you're going to get into Sony Trinitron Wegas, then you're going to need this.


Good luck, and remember to do your squats and oats. Most Sony Wega TVs, 'consumer Trinitrons' I've come across were huge. The smallest I manged to find was a 27 incher, and that fucker was 100 pounds. Not too heavy, but god forbid you try tackling something bigger than it by yourself unless you've got arms like an NBA player.

>> No.2083856
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since i'm not keen on modifying my systems i have this turbografix 16 connected to a sony trinitron kv27fv310 using composite using some newly found monster branded cables that i bought for $4

quite hilarious how thick the cables are compared to the thin ones i replaced.

>> No.2083858
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the cables are originally made for component video

>> No.2083859
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Yeah, 27'' seems to be about the size limit on reasonably moving WEGA Trinitrons on your own.

>unless you've got arms like an NBA player
God help you if it's widescreen.

Also, I really should cut my wires longer. At least it won't be moving around inside of there very easily.

>> No.2083871
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>tfw own a brand new copy of blazing lazers because I love compile and it was less than $20
>tfw no tg16 to play it on

>> No.2083882


What's stopping you from getting one?

>> No.2083883
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bite the bullet and grab yourself a turbo duo. tg16 collecting is easily one of the most expensive consoles to collect for.

i have an original tg16 with cd accessory but hit a brick wall with the $200 super system card, just can't bring myself to buy it. turbo duo can do super cd games out of the box and is in the ballpark of $300+ so it's far cheaper than my route.

if you don't care about games like castlevania x rondo of blood then you can get a baseline unit without acessories and RF output only for $50 give or take.

>> No.2083939

Reposting the survey another anon posted 2 threads ago:

>> No.2083942
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Shit, if I'd thought about it, I'd have tossed it into the OP too.
Next thread maybe.

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>mfw my question has been added at the end

>> No.2084291

I recently picked up a crt PC monitor and I have a problem where the grays appear brownish.

Does anyone know if it is possible to fix this?

>> No.2084837


Time to adjust your pots!

>> No.2084879

I want to grade my CRT (current one is too small and I couldn't bring the large one with me in the move). I measured my dresser which I'll be putting it on. It's 30 by 17 (apporx.) inches, what size should I get? I'm thinking 22 inch.

>> No.2085036

Hm my PVM sometimes makes a louder noise than the usual 15khz noise.
Then it just goes away.
What could it be?

>> No.2085112

It's me again. I believe to have found a circuit diagram on the 34xbr960. Would anyone know if it would be possible to do the following bypass on the set to achieve zero image processing?

>> No.2085114
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I forgot the image, also. What are the repercussions of feeding an incorrect signal to the crt guns?

>> No.2085257
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Shake Shake

Decided to actually call the guy out on what he was doing; Claimed inexperience with ebay and didn't see what the big deal was.
Made sure to inform him that a few different people had been put off from possibly contacting him over it and that I'd continue point them away from it. Not even getting into the crazy price fluctuations.
I'm happy he didn't at least try to feign ignorance and continue to use the "it was my son's" story he sent some other anon.

>> No.2085259

It's hard to answer some of those questions. I have equal numbers of Sony and Commodore CRT's and about equal time with the SNES and PSX.

>> No.2085261

>It's hard to answer some of those questions. I have equal numbers of Sony and Commodore CRT
I agree, it'd be nice to see an option for people that use multiple sets. That said, go with which ever set you use most often.

>and about equal time with the SNES and PSX.

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A string trio is a group of three string instruments or a piece written for such a group.

>> No.2085395

The Ebay auschoice seller hawking 14" PVMs in Brisbane, Aus, is using shopped photos. I only noticed today. If you check the different 9" models they're the same photos with extra buttons stuck on. Might be nothing, might be worth making sure of any set you buy.

I hope that other guy on here who made the $100 offer doesn't get burnt...

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"I Will, If You Will" is a song written by Randy Goodrum and John Barlow Jarvis, and recorded by American country music artist John Berry.

>> No.2085465

Hey, I'm back with more problems. I don't have the remote for this Trinitron, so how the fuck can I enter service mode?

>> No.2085475

If I'm looking for decent CRTs for free on craigslist, what are some brands, models, types I should look for? I'm not banking on finding any sony monitors.

>> No.2085698

Now I realize why that picture looked so familiar. It's on my local craigslist.

If I had a way to get over to them and pick it up, I'd toss them an offer. Not going to drop $30 to risk it getting bounced around in a truck for 20 miles.

>> No.2085790

You can surely find some good sized consumer Trinitrons for free.

>> No.2085802

>some other anon.

that was me, this was his reply after i told him i saw the image on multiple image boards over the past few years, after he said he was 'his son trying to sell it on craigslist'

>Well I spoke with him and behold your right. He had mentioned that he used that photo to list some time ago on craigslist do to cracked screen daughter and laws phone. He mentioned and guaranteed that it is in excellent working condition.

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Scanline/filter thread on /v/ went surprisingly well after it cleared out a little.

I'm honestly wondering if he's going to respond back, and if he does, what he will say.

>> No.2085875

Any tips on finding computer crt monitors? Not having much luck with craigslist.

>> No.2085921

i wanted to reply with:
>bullshit stories get bullshit offers, I'll pay you fifty bucks or I'll inform ebay of your fraud

but instead i jerked off to the thought of getting a 20L5 for fifty bucks and went to bed.

>> No.2086068

Goodwill is great for finding them, but quality varrying of course.

>> No.2087240

looks like you're in YPbPr mode, not RGB

>> No.2087258

How cheap can you pick up a decent CRT these days?

Is there any danger of them running out after enough years have passed/are they still being manufactured somehow?

Also, what are good CRTs to look for/are any brands better in general?

>> No.2087267

>How cheap can you pick up a decent CRT these days?

Depend on your area.

>Is there any danger of them running out after enough years have passed

They have a limited number of working hour, just like LCDs, though they usually last longer (you can still use fully workings 70s and 60s sets nowadays).

>are they still being manufactured somehow?

By Taiwanese peoples and Ikegami but they cost an arm.

>> No.2087285


Shit I have two just sitting here next to me. If you paid for the shipping and packaging I'd give them both to you for free.

>> No.2087289

It'd probably be too much for me right now, I'm broke for a while.

I'm not really sure if I want to replace my current set either but it's like 12" so it's not too great unfortunately.

>> No.2087296

are universal component cables ok? Are there are "don'ts" in component cables or are they all pretty much the same?

>> No.2087301

Got a 32-inch SD Wega for $30 in January from a thrift store up in Forest Park.
Got a PVM-2030 from Goodwill for $50.
32-inch Panasonic Tau, same Goodwill for $30.
27-inch early '90s Trinitron, same Goodwill for $17.
Got a 17-inch CIB Dell Monitor for $2.50 and a 13-inch Panasonic PVM for $5 for the local Salvation Army.

McDonough, GA, best town.

>> No.2087305

Nice, I'm around New England and haven't found anything really amazing just looking on craigslist. I'll probably hit up some Goodwills in a few weeks.

>> No.2087306
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All of these were purchased this year, except for the 27-inch Trinitron I picked up October last year. /vr/ gave me the Trinitron bug bad.

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Keep hunting and you'll find good stuff eventually!

This is the Dell e773s and a Panasonic CT-1382Y. The Dell is currently my main monitor, although I'm looking at picking up another one later today for a dual-crt battlestation.

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Just picked up an sd2snes to go along with this baybeeeeeeee
It's so nice.

>> No.2087387
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How good of a picture does my CRT have?

>> No.2087534 [DELETED] 

Looks like shit but has none exstant display lag.

>> No.2087549

What computer is Carmack using?

>> No.2087554

Are you using the high quality PPC SNES?

>> No.2087556

Some kind of Silicon Graphics workstation, I think.


>> No.2087557

Noice. Some people are still maining those as home computers.

>> No.2087904

How do I fix a slanted picture? I'm using some cheap TV from Kijiji, but the picture is slanted to the left quite a bit. I tried the TV's settings, and there are no options there. I'm using a Wii on it, so if there is a way to fix it on that end that could be easier.

>> No.2088207

What are you talking about? I'm using a regular Super Nintendo with a composite cable.

>> No.2088369
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My current recording setup for Goldeneye until I find a capture card I like.
Playing through the svideo. My VCR doesn't take svideo so I sent composite through the output of the monitor to the VCR. VCR output into Line B for when I need to playback the recording.

>> No.2088830


Buy a replacement remote?

>> No.2088986

I'm looking for help with this myself. My set is a Panasonic though.

I was planning to buy the Service Manual from an online site, and see if there's anything in there. Do most service menu's let you make rotational adjustments? Short of that, opening up the set and making sure the yoke isn't mis-aligned might work?

>> No.2089096

Requesting more scanline pictures of 3D games.

>> No.2089187
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When /vr/ was founded, I only had one CRT, an old 20-inch Sanyo I kept in storage. I've bought 9 crts since then. You guys gave me the crt bug, and how.

Just picked up this Dell Ultrascan P991 off craigslist. This bad boy has a 19-inch screen with a Trinitron tube, and sits easy at 1600x1200 85hz, putting my old e773s to shame. But put 'em together and it makes a nifty retro battlestation.

Also, I have a decent camera, honestly, I just can't take photos of crts for shit

>> No.2089235 [DELETED] 

>still paying for CRT's

>> No.2089320

ummm... if you find a good one and it's not free, you should totally feel free to go back to /v/.

>> No.2089585

At what point would you know that you have exceeded the physical limitation of the shadow mask?

>> No.2089597

You can carry component over composite cables. RCA is all the same.

>> No.2089604

Any specific requests? If possible, I'd try to stick to games I actually own but I can do anything the Wii can emulate or swap tricked in for the PS1.

>> No.2089607


When you can't resolve any more detail by the eye.
Try a patter of alternating black and white pixels, for example.

>> No.2089713

Would it be possible to get a SCART cable that carried RGB and svideo at the same time? Would say a Sega Saturn be able to output both sources at the same time? Would use svideo for a capture card at 240p and the RGB for viewing on the monitor.

>> No.2089716

total width / triad width

either that or possibly multiply it by 3 - no point cramming in lots of pixels into a single primary phosphor if the other 2 primaries wont make it in due to mask shadowing

>> No.2089732


I don't think it's possible, unless you cheat and use the TV output pins, or make some special cables with the SCART wirings + S-Video wirings, so an S-Video cable would stick out at the end of the SCART cable. Carrying S-Video on a SCART cable isn't even standard.

>> No.2089734

I'm sure you could hypothetically wire something up that would be able to pass both S-Video and RGB along a single SCART cable, but it would by no means be wired using the standard pinout on the SCART side. Probably have to cannibalize data lines or aspect control to fit it all with correct grounding.

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Couldn't you use two of the three spares for Y and C?
I don't think I'll do it over scart though because I'd have to make two cables.
Might make a cable from saturn to bnc and svideo that can go into my monitor.

>> No.2089774

>Couldn't you use two of the three spares for Y and C?
Not entirely sure what you're saying here.

If you don't mind doing a custom cable, there shouldn't be anything stopping you from grabbing whatever signals you want from the Saturn's av out and wiring them up in a way that suits you. I was just going off of the premise of keeping it all on the SCART cable to be split by a breakout cable.

Might have to make use of the monitor's audio out to feed your capture card though.

>> No.2089776

It is possible to send both S-Video and RGB over the same SCART plug, but it is not a proper standard, so not all systems may work with it.

You'd also have to add at least one of the s-video pins to the reserved data pins (and have luma in place of composite) if you want both at the same time. This may have unknown effects on your TV.

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I was referring to the spares in this picture. I kind of changed my mind half way through the post and changed the image.

Sound isn't an issue as I send the audio to my mixer which has a main out that goes to my speakers and a tape out which goes to what I'm capturing to. Currently my VCR.

I'll most likely just do Saturn to BNC. The idea of scart was so I could swap it with my other scart cables instead of having to unplug from the monitor itself.

>> No.2089785
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>I was referring to the spares in this picture
I get you now. On that:
>Probably have to cannibalize data lines or aspect control to fit it all with correct grounding.

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How shitty is my CRT?

>> No.2089807

Those spare pins are used for various different data transfer formats, which differ from set to set. If you are unlucky, it might be wired in some way on your set, which means sending video data through it might damage it to some degree.

Or it might not damage it at all.

The deal breaker however would be the fact that SCART needs a lot of in-cable EMI filtering, and those data pins don't have their own ground signal (so you would need to use two of them, and use luma in place of composite). That on its own means getting a custom cable, or one extremely expensive one that has each pin individually shielded. Otherwise if you don't, you'll get noisy audio, noisy picture, etc., and that would affect the s-video signal.

Simpler would be to just get a decent s-video cable, or break out the 10-pin mini-din to BNC (if you can properly solder to that small piece of shit connector, or even just put BNC outputs for each pin on the console itself.

I'd just opt for buying a normal s-video cable, but I don't have my systems barricaded in on some shelf with the back of them inaccessible. I know that this can be a problem for many people.

>> No.2089810



W-what? They made CRTs, or is it just the generic shitty chinese one with yet another re brand?

>> No.2089813

I got it off craigslist for $5 from a family that didn't want it.
The picture seems to be good, but the sound quality is utter shit.

>> No.2089821

That fact that you've only got mono audio can't help matters.

The broken flat tubed Memorex sitting in my office apparently has an LG Philips tube, so who knows.

>> No.2089824

I can use external speakers, right?

>> No.2089827

Is there a pic that I can use to check the quality of my CRT?

>> No.2089830

If what you're playing has stereo audio and you have something that will accept it and output sound, I don't see anything stopping you.

Before I got around buying an amp and some speakers, I was using a whole separate TV for audio alongside my PVM.

If you mean for colors and geometry, there are various DVDs out there with color bars and the like.
Alternatively, if you have the ability to load homebrew on the Wii Dreamcast or Genesis, you can grab and give 240p Test Suite a shot.

>> No.2089901

>240p Test Suite
I will try this and report back when I'll have time, thanks.

>> No.2090524

I'm playing SNES and noticed that there appears to be a vertical "band" going down the center of the TV. It's slightly darker and slightly lighter than the areas around it. What could it be? The TV's maybe 11 years old, it isn't fancy or anything.

>> No.2090764

It's not your TV. That band is a known graphical artifact specific to the SNES. No one knows why it appears.

>> No.2090784

Huh. Good to know

>> No.2090790

It's a really out of place issues. http://retrorgb.com/snesverticalline.html

>> No.2090847


Good luck with that P991. Mine suffered the voltage issue that causes the brightness to go apeshit and wash out the image. I finally just tossed it awhile ago as I never did get around to reporgramming the damn thing to a lower setting.

>> No.2090878

Yikes. I'd heard about the issue on some message boards before I pulled the trigger, and I was a little worried when I hooked it up and the image looked washed out, but after letting it warm up I used Color Return from the OSD and it made the image perfect.

I fucking love this monitor! I really dig the bigger real estate compared to the 17-inch Dell that was my main, and the higher res is superb. I really want to get another one (or the similar Mitsu Diamond Pro P91) and use both of them for an extended desktop.

Also, the vga connector is missing Pin 9, but apparently that one isn't used?

>> No.2090916

That site is right about the early SFC.
I have 4 consoles, 2x Pal SNES, 2x SFC.

My 1991 SFC is great and has no vertical line.
My 1994 or so RGB-01 SFC is real bad with it.

>> No.2091010


Not the dude you've been responding to, but my Snes Mini used to do it a lot more than it does now after I've done the S-Video mod.

But the guy you've responded to is right, it's a quirky thing that is hard to pin down.

A strange combination of your TV/monitor, A/V cable/connection, the kind of connection you're using be it RF/composite/S-video/RGB or Component. The phases of the moon, the electrical circuits in your house, your Karma, the will of Allah, Jesus' love.

Fuck it, man. The only time I've ever seen it was during my LttP cart's Nintendo logo screen.

Try not to worry about it too much, there really isn't much you can do.

>> No.2091013


I should say that the only time it's been obnoxious was during the LttP logo screen. But not so much any more.

Maybe I lucked out, but it's just not something to pin down.

>> No.2091031
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Went to a thrift shop today to get a tv for retro and saw a Sony Trinitron. I asked the owner how much for it and she refused to sell it because she was using it to watch tv at work. I wound up buying an RCA Gemstar instead. Is this anywhere close to being as good as a Sony Trinitron?

>> No.2091060

What kind of inputs does it have? Model no? Size screen?

>> No.2091069

The model is F27318. Here's a link that shows pictures of the inputs.


>> No.2091075
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my fave

>> No.2091081
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Amiga monitors are really good, yeah.

>> No.2091083

Looks pretty decent. 27 inch screen, it's SD, has S-video, and a comb filter for making composite signals less shitty. Should be fine for retro.

>> No.2091085

commodore actually, my amiga monitor doesn't have any inputs you can use for consoles

>> No.2091086

Awesome, I guess I didn't do too bad then. Thanks for the help/time.

>> No.2091090

De nada comrade. Get yourself some s-video cables, most consoles from the '90s support it and the video quality is much better than shitty composite

>> No.2091109
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That bites. I have two Amiga monitors, 1080 and 1084S, and both have RCA jacks for Composite and Chroma/Luma. Feels odd having S-Video over two RCA jacks.

Built my own SCART to DE-9/Stereo RCA adapter for the 1080 a while back. Works well, but the monitor doesn't accept Composite Video as Sync. I should get around to adding a SCART jack to the 1084S. It has a spot in the back of the case for it. Being an American Amiga fan is suffering

>> No.2091121

huh my uncle gave me his old amiga 2000 with mods and such that i enjoy
he knows im a nerd like him and going to his house tomorrow for thanksgiving
my c64 floppy collection compared to amiga disks is huge

>> No.2091124

I know that almost no HD CRT TVs natively support 480i or 240p.
How common are onwmes which natively support 480p or 720p?
Is there a list?

>> No.2091125

think some of the sonys and sanyo's did i'd like a list too

>> No.2091309

How exactly does one find BVM/PVM monitors barring just searching obsessively on the internet for local listing or paying absurd prices for international shipping?

I mean seriously, I'm looking at a BVM 2010p listing and I'm thinking of buying it but the fucking shipping is just absurd.

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>> No.2091743
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Just got this awesome 22" flat screen monitor,with original CD,(compared to a 17" LCD),its a beast weights about 80 lbs,pretty much new,has seen light use,Whats the best resolution for 22" CRT ?

How did I do /vr/ ?

>> No.2091824


nice one

>> No.2091872
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i cant figure out how to use this universal remote

>> No.2091992


What kind of display is it? What's the sync range?

>> No.2092034


its a DIAMONDTRON NF - aperture grille

native resolution 2048 x 1536 at 80 Hz
1600 x 1200 / 85 Hz

>> No.2092076
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Consider me jelly.

I REALLY need to find me a good PC CRT.

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I also got this CD for the monitor and there is a PDF instruction on how to calibrate it cause it has a ton of setting I don't even understand in its menu

somebody can help ?

>> No.2092112


I doubt the CD is necessary. All the configuration you need to do should be possible through the monitor's built in OSD.

>> No.2092120


Every time I turn it back on after about 5 min off it resets itself ,the horizontal and vertical square length

does it have a battery,like a PC or something ?

>> No.2092127


There's a possibility that the settings are stored on volatile memory backed up by a battery, I suppose?

>> No.2092841

Have you run the cd?

>> No.2093664
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Alright /crt/ , I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm dying to get my hands on a CRT again, however I find myself constantly running into problems. I lack a car and license so driving long distances to pick one up is almost impossible nor do I have any friends who could help me with that. Even with that, I'm not finding the displays I want on Craigslist. There are very specific models I'm looking for like the KV-27FV310 or the NEC XM29 but no luck there. And I don't want any of those big-ass 30+ inch sets as I live with family and my room isn't big enough for that.

What places would you recommend finding TVs and pro monitors besides CL and Goodwills? I live in North Texas if helps.

Also, what models, consumer and professional, would you recommend besides the two I've listed? I'm looking specifically for something that can take 240p via component or a professional broadcast monitor 20" and up. I know about the BVMs but I couldn't find those either and even then the tiny size is a bit off-putting.

If I don't find anything, I might just cave in and order whatever flatscreen displaylag.com recommends and get an XRGB to compensate.

>> No.2093804

Most Trinitron TVs with component input should be good. The fv310 aren't significantly better than the others. Just make sure it looks good before buying.

>> No.2094338
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Hey /crt/,

My parents got a new TV for black Friday and called me to see if I wanted this old CRT. I already have a low-tier CRT from about a decade ago so I was intrigued. Here it is, a Philips 27MS4504/17 model, branded as a Magnavox.

I would normally just take it, but it's really, REALLY heavy and it would be a big task to take it if the TV isn't even that good. I like the amount of hookups though, it even has s-video so that's cool.

Another concern is that the glass is flat, will that ruin lightgun games?

>> No.2094349

>Another concern is that the glass is flat, will that ruin lightgun games?
No. Lightgun games are based on the timing of the raster scan, screen curvature doesn't matter.

>> No.2094358

Sweet. I guess now I just have to wait and see if anyone knows how good it is displaywise.

>> No.2094419

I've noticed that on my recently acquired Sony 27FS100, in 480i there's weird blurring/artifacting around objects in motion, sort of like when you view interlaced video on a progressive display before it's been deinterlaced (like pic-related). I don't see when this would happen but it's annoying as hell and I'd like to know how to fix it if anyone has any ideas

>> No.2094424
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forgot pic fuck me

>> No.2094482

What's the best way to output from a PC to a TV? Does a converter work? Do you have to buy an old video card that has TV outputs? Should you just buy an old computer?

>> No.2094505

This goes without saying that I'm taking about S-Video or Component, by the way. I know how to plug a computer to a TV with HDMI, obviously.

>> No.2094542


There are plenty of shitty vga to composite/s-vid converters out there. They can only output 480i and will likely introduce input lag as well. Ditto for video cards with composite/s-video output.

What you will want to do is have a TV with component and then get a quality RGB-Component transcoder. You can use the transcoder to turn the RGB (coming through VGA) to component and send it to the TV. You will also need the CRT emudrivers which requires a specific type of video card. The transcoder is expensive and also discontinued, so good luck finding it (here's a product page http://www.curtpalme.com/TC1600.shtm).).

This is the sad reality of using a computer with a CRT TV. It's expensive and generally more trouble than it's probably worth. I would recommend either using a monitor or PVM with your computer or getting a wii for your TV (assuming you want this setup in the first place for emulation)

>> No.2094549

That's annoying. The idea is for emulation, yes, though specifically MAME, as I own quite a few consoles and games. Buying a Wii is hardly out of the question or anything, though I don't even know if there's any good fight/arcade sticks for the thing.

>> No.2094860
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The other option he has are Extron converters that can convert VGA to either 15Khz RGB or YPbPr/YUV Component. Those only run about $80-100 on Ebay depending on the model. The VSC 700 and RGB 203 RXi I have coupled together work really well. For his purposes, a VSC 500 by itself with some BNC to RCA adapters would work just fine, and he wouldn't need a compatible video card with drivers as long as it has VGA output.

>> No.2095010

Just keep checking cl. I got an NEC XP29 from there, and while it was quite a lot of rigamaroll to get it (the sellers were passing through from OK the day I got it... which meant a somewhat distant meet up under shitty weather and road conditions ). So that would be one tip, I guess - expand your search to include the NEC XP models. I do not know how they compare with the XMs but I do know it looks fine with 15khz games in RGB.

I live in the DFW area as well so if I see something I will be sure to post it in a CRT thread in case you miss the ad or something. I recently gave away one of my spare CRTs and have one other donate-able spare, but I don't think it would meet your qualifications.

>> No.2095174


Wouldn't it be much cheaper to just get a TV with RGB inputs in the first place?

>> No.2095175


Might not be easy if you're not a palfag.
It's one of the few advantages we have with regards to vidya.

>> No.2095290

why does my crt monitor have scanlines below 1024x768? I thought crt monitors didn't have scanlines

>> No.2095297


They're present on all CRT displays. It's just how they work.
It's usually that monitors' scanlines are too small to see. I suppose your monitor's electron beam is too well focused for that.

>> No.2095317

Interesting. To use that device, I'd still need to have a desktop set to SD resolution, though, right? Which means a special setup, since, for example, the monitor I'm using right now won't go that low.

>> No.2095578

So I've started using component instead of composite and it's made the interlacing artifacts in 480i much more noticeable. Is it normal for there to be SO much of it? It's kind of bugging me, to the point that I'm considering just using my sixth gen systems on my HDTV and dealing with the deinterlacing and potential input lag. Is there any setting I can change in the service menu that might make it less noticeable?

>> No.2095586


What are you using? I find the interlacing artifacts to be no stronger.

>> No.2095621


My CRT is a Sony 27FS100

I messed around with it a bit more and found that it's actually not that bad on Gamecube and Xbox games, to the point where it's barely noticeable unless I'm right in front of the TV. On PS2 though it's absolutely atrocious, extremely noticeable and horrid looking on every game I've tried thus far. I'm guessing it has something to do with the PS2's sort of subpar hardware and lack of anti-aliasing, but jesus, I wish there was something I could do to fix it since I play more on my PS2 than my other sixth gen consoles.

>> No.2096248
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Picked up a Mitsubishi S-VHS compatible VCR today.
Even with standard tapes, the increase in quality is something else, just on colors alone.

Left is S-Video, right is composite.

>> No.2096308


Your monitor is sharp enough for them to be visible at higher resolutions.

>> No.2096345

So I was looking at the cost of things, and the Nintendo Wii is pretty damn cheap used. It is a weak ass system, but I wasn't planning on playing any MAME games made after, like, 1993, anyway.

During my research I noticed that there's a PC98 emulator for wii. How terrible would that look on a television? PC98 is 640x480 resolution.

>> No.2096361


It'll output in 480i most likely and thus not look particularly good.

>> No.2096364

Hello /crt/.

I am thinking of upgrading my Saturn's ables. i currently use a standard composite AV cable. I am playing from Brazil, so there's no hope for me to find a SCART-fit TV. Is S-Video my only option, or are there Component cables for the Saturn?

>> No.2096365
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Help me out I only got one night without the wife and kid. I'm hooking up this PVM-14M2U and for now I'm just trying to use a composite source on it and to pass it through to my UHF transmitter. For some reason I can't figure out how to get a color image. It detects that it's NTSC but I can't figure out why it's not processing the color information. The control panel looks like this. I can't get any menu up when it's got the composite displayed.

>> No.2096367

If you've got a CRT with component, you've got something that can use RGB, albeit with conversion.

>> No.2096368

Is there a way to convert SCART to Composite? How much loss would I be looking at?

>> No.2096380

Damn I just checked all the inputs they're all black and white. Did I buy a damn monochrome monitor like an idiot? lol better look it up specifically.

>> No.2096420

Nope, color for sure. Why would it be like that, even on Y/Pb/Pr?

>> No.2096438

You haven't hit Blue Only by mistake?

Some modeified PAL consoles output in B&W through composite, but should be fine using S-Video or RGB/YPbPr.

The set might be broken too?

>> No.2096456

Yeah it was in Blue Only mode. Interestingly, I couldn't turn that mode off until I had no inputs going to the monitor. That was what was tripping me up. Now to hunt up some 10 foot RCA cables to reach my transmitter from where this newer smaller monitor got installed.

>> No.2096473

Good score! I've been looking for an SVHS player for a while. That's a big difference in color quality.

>> No.2096693
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It would look best if you used 640x480 resolution, the original VGA standard, but the VSC 500 has the ability to downscale higher resolutions to 480i, maximum being 1920x1200. If the VSC is coupled with certain Extron RGB's, you can get 240p.

Some reading if you're interested in Extron equipment


I'm not sure about their availability in Brazil, but the CSY-2100 will convert SCART RGB to RCA Component with no loss in video quality. You need to either use breakout cables or mod the CSY-2100 to pull the sound, though.

>> No.2096697

Apparently never used


10" RGB monitor. Expensive though

>> No.2096698



For nothing more than desktop use though

>> No.2096736

Yeah at a second glance the specs are nothing special. I'd rather a 9" PVM.

>> No.2096751


For $300! I daresay you would.

>> No.2096754

I'm also sick of these pricks using stock photos of different units. That guy selling the JVC BVM on Ebay.com.au has pictures of two decidedly different monitors, and wants $700 for the unit. Cunt can go fuck himself.

>> No.2096883

convergence isn't very good. everything else looks okay.

>> No.2098814


>300 bucks starter bid
>400 bucks price

Not worth the investment.

>> No.2099154

>learning to speedrun Goldeneye
>get told to play with a dot on screen as it helps
>don't want to draw/stick something to my PVM's screen
I'm doomed to be bad.

>> No.2099234

Mount a laser pointer off to the side?

Get a piece of shit CRT to use so you don't wear out the PVM with repetitive runs?

>> No.2099256

>Get a piece of shit CRT to use so you don't wear out the PVM with repetitive runs?
Now I'll just be worrying about the hours on my monitor while I run.

Made me think of something.
Many PS1 and N64 games aren't really 240p and have black bars. Would playing these games for hours burn in black bars? My rear projection has very serious burn in where the bars would be.

I don't imagine it would be an issue since once you get to the menus they often are either 240p or 480i and fill the whole screen.

>> No.2099260

I wouldn't say that "many" n64 aren't 240p. More like....4 or 5 aren't. I guess that's many given how few games the console has, but not really.

>> No.2099285

How does the aging of a CRT work?
Does it age depending on your use or does it just age over time regardless? Let's say if you get a new CRT but literally never use it will it still be new in 10 years?

>> No.2099358

Can someone tell me what it means when my PVM sometimes has a very audible whining sound? It is not the usual 15khz sound that all TV emit.
Sometimes it isn't there and sometimes it just appears and is very noticeable. Even in audio recordings I can hear a difference between the normal sound and this whining sound.

>> No.2099369


A low hour CRT will have far less issues and will be less likely to develop issues than a CRT that has been used for several thousand hours. I believe the average life-expectancy for a CRT is 10000-20000 hours. Obviously a newer CRT is less likely to have been used a low than an older one. It also depends on how it was used - many people feel that they need to have their screen way too bright (or they use the Vivid picture mode on Sony TVs), and this wears out the tube. A CRT with higher hours but with proper brightness settings would probably be in better condition than one with lower hours with brightness turned up too much. This is also why you should be somewhat leery of industrial monitors, especially those used in broadcast, because they were likely left on for hours and hours at a time and may also have network logos burned into them.

To answer your question, a CRT that had never been used would likely be in pristine condition, since it was never powered on and thus never had any of its components wearing.

>> No.2099372

>Suggesting someone leave a laser pointer aimed into their PVM rather than stick a cheap sticker to easily cleanable glass
Kya, I'm surprised at you.

Seriously, have you really thought about how rugged a PVM is? I guarantee you the screen of your PVM has been cleaned with much more caustic chemicals than the Windex or MAYBE Goo Gone you'd use to get the sticker residue off (though warm soapy water is best). ESPECIALLY if it was endoscopy unit.

>> No.2099437

I've been looking around for both an s-video switch and a component switch, but I'm concerned about potential quality loss with both. What does /crt/ recommend for a CRT in the USA?

>> No.2099449
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Or just get one of these stupid things.

>> No.2099501


Washable marker. It's what I used many years ago when I played CS on my old CRT I pulled from a neighbor's garbage.

That old behemoth probably has at least 2 solid years of game time on it. One of the rgb guns died on it, and I put it away.

>> No.2099649

It was a joke, and he said he didn't want to stick anything to it.

Personally, I'd probably just stick a small piece of cheap electrical tape to it and call it done.

>> No.2099713

I've used the 2 extron units like that before. It doens't look anywhere near as good as a real 240p signal.

>> No.2099716

but the 480i out of the vsc actually looked pretty good for 480i, still very sharp

>> No.2099721

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>> No.2099727

>Washable marker
>when I played CS on my old CRT

scoutzknivez? scoutzknivez.

>> No.2099784

What units did you have and how did you have them hooked up?

>> No.2099786


I got a monitor recently a pc one,its in great cosmetic shape no damage to case or anything,was wondering how I could find out how much was it really used the previous owner(he bought it new),told me he never ever used it that much,just occasionally from time to time.

The picture tube(flat-screen) is also in good condition seems to be,no scratches all colors seem to be OK as far as I can tell,but I never used CRT's so I don't know what is good and what isn't

Is it possible to look at the inner components and circuitry to estimate how much use was present a lot or not ??

Also there is this weird problem it resets the settings every-time I turn it off and back on the menu is automatically reset,just like a bios issue you have when battery is dead,does it have a inner battery,that would explain that has been sitting and not used much


>> No.2099794

VSC 100 with rgbhv going into a RGB 201 RXI into a PVM, Ikegami, and a consumer trinitron. Also my trinitron has an option for interlacing in the service menu that makes it look the same. With scanlines but some weird flicker and not near as sharp as real 240p.

>> No.2099885

I know almost nothing about CRTs or anything, but this seemed to be the place to go to ask about mine.

It's old and only has composite (it's even monaural but that's not important) and I'm trying to find something to convert my VGA-output computer to it for emulation purposes.

All the adapter cables I've found have gotten universally abysmal one-star ratings with reviews that say they don't work.

If this isn't something I can ask about here then I apologize, but does anyone here use any composite-to-VGA cables for their CRTs that work well for them? Is there a better-but-more-indirect route to take for getting it hooked up well besides the obvious answer of finding a better CRT with S-Video?

>> No.2099898

Not good for emulation purposes. First of all you'd need to convert the signal which will introduce input lag. Then there's resolution and scaling issues you'd undoubtedly have to deal with. For something easy and straightforward, your best bet would be to emulate on a softmodded Wii.

>> No.2099915

Well that helps with Nintendo systems and things like the Genesis, but what about systems like the Saturn or PS1?

I'd ask if there were a way to easily mod a system to get those to work (don't have a Saturn and lost my PS1 but have both a PS2/3) that would be less hassle, but I suppose that isn't /vr/-appropriate. Is there a thread on /vg/ that you might know that I can ask that question without veering off-topic? I really apologize for needing to ask.

>> No.2099943

Swap Trick is stupid easy with slim PS2s.
There's an anon who does PS1 modchip work in the BST thread: >>2047384

>PS2/3) that would be less hassle, but I suppose that isn't /vr/-appropriate
Talking about PS2 or PS3 is perfectly fine so long as it concerns something having to do with PS1 games.

If it's emulation related, /emugen/: >>87691685

>> No.2099946

And then I went and botched the emu link


>> No.2099956

>directing anyone to Emugen

That place is a shitpile now. Even our own emulation threads here in /vr/ are miles better.

>> No.2099968

I haven't browsed /vg/ for a long while now so I don't really know the current state of the thread.

And until there's an emu thread on /vr/ where he could get some information, that's that best I've got.

>> No.2100163

so I got a PVM-14L5, when it says "no sync" (but works) is that ok? I've never had a TV or monitor (CRT or otherwise) ask for sync before.

On a side note I decided to for nostalgia to watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm on it for kicks and my fucking PS2 (my dvd player...) freezes on the PS2's configuration menu so I can't change it to progressive scan. Of course Google only gives "I have this problem too xD" or "call Sony if you have warranty". I guess I can try using my PS3 for this.

>> No.2100409


There isn't really a way I can think of to tell other than a service menu, which usually keeps track of the hours.

>> No.2101385

Does anyone have the Snes version of the 240p Test Suite? Sourceforge seems to be having some troubles.

>> No.2101398

>so I got a PVM-14L5, when it says "no sync" (but works) is that ok? I've never had a TV or monitor (CRT or otherwise) ask for sync before.
There should be a switch for where it looks for the sync signal. If you're using component video, you want "internal" (on Y) sync.

>> No.2101480

how do you photograph scanlines ? what settings do you use, i find it tricky

>> No.2101502
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>see a really nice Sony KX-27ps1 for a really good price, only used a few time, in perfect condition
>send email to the owner immediately
>no answer for like 2 days
>send another email
>still no answer
>decide to call him
>he doesn't even pick his phone
>repeat it for 2 weeks
>still no answer
>tfw the ad is deactivated, meaning that he might have sold it to someone else, while I've been trying to get in touch with him for 2~3 weeks

>> No.2101789
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It is tricky with an dated camera but sometimes it looks good ort sometimes it looks bad. This varies pretty much with the displayed picture, SMB1 never looks great but other games might look very decent like this one.

Speaking of scanlines:
>be at work repairing shitty Samsung phones
I hate this job, but almost no one pays to repair (CRT) TVs anymore. ;_;
>get GT-I9300 to repair
>"shaded, blurry picture" says the fucker (customer)
>insert battery, turn on
>notice the startup logo looked way sharper than usual
>close up reveals a scanline effect
>every 2nd row was black
>this really was a hardware based scanline filter
>scanlines made the loss of resolution quite sharp
>mfw everything looked somewhat better
>but my bending test caused glitches or removed the scanlines
>diagnosis: internal connections in the display broken
>replace display, perform tests, software update and give this goddamn thing back to the goddamn customer
I will either quit in a couple of years or get in trouble because i threw the customers device against the wall.

>> No.2101801

Just bought a couple of service manuals for the two CRTs I own, and want to upload and share with /vr/. Hopefully can be added to the pastebin :)

Service Manuals are for:

Panasonic 28F250A - to the address filedropper dot com add a forward slash then tx28f250australiasmpanasonicen

Sony PVM-14M2U/E/A & PVM-14M2U/E/A - to the same address as above, add a slash and then pvm14m4asmsonyen

Sorry for that weird addressing method, but it thinks i'm spamming...

>> No.2101836 [DELETED] 

>playing video games on warped, blurry, ugly screens

>> No.2101864

>Might be able to buy four 20L2MDs but only have the money for 1

Sorry /vr/

>> No.2101889

That's why we prefer CRTs. LCD upscales and turns 240p signals into shit.

>> No.2102063

Bought one of these: http://www.sintron-hk.com/Wei-ya-CV-04-RGB-CGA-to-TV-composite-video-converter--P2699937.aspx to use svideo with a groovymame setup. Hopefully it makes it here from China in one piece. It'll be nice to use a curved glass crt, I'm not a fan these flat trinitrons.

>> No.2102367


why don't you choose the superior S-Video Option

>> No.2102378

Btw be sure to get the specifications right because some of these may just convert the VGA signal to a 480i res, and it looks super flickery and blurry on TVs, this is the reason i bought instead a damn PC CRT, because i couldn't find a SCART or PVM to avoid doing signal conversions

>> No.2102643

y'all are niggerplebs until you get on my level


>> No.2102646


This could be anything from a terribad 70s RF set to a widescreen 32" HD BVM that cost more than a car new.

>> No.2102887
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i know that feel


>PVM 20M4E for sale
>150 eurydoos
>really little for what they usually go for
>not home so can't buy because don't have credentials on cellphone
>get home this morning
>got sold
>there's a PVM 20M2E for the same price
>debated whether or not get it since it's 600tvlines and not 800

jesus christ

>> No.2103329
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its funny when you put the camera right up to the screen

>> No.2103408


I'm having the same problem as this guy, but on a crt.
Is this a good solution ?

>> No.2103425

The SCART input on his(and your) TV is likely not wired for S-Video and expecting composite on Pin 20, so it sees the Y portion of s-video on that line as just a black and white composite signal.

Bridging Pin 15 will get you the C portion of S-Video, thus a full color picture. While this works on a technical level, I'm not sure how smart of a solution it is or if there is some circuitry you should be using to combine the two.

>> No.2103541
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CRTs are better for all vidya

>pick up those cans

>> No.2103543

Still love that stick tower.

>> No.2103573


Eh, I prefer my 2009 manufactured plasma for HD content. I'd still never use an LCD though.

>> No.2103578

Unless you actually want to read text or see anything

>> No.2103607


>> No.2103702

>thinks all CRTs are blurry
>not recognizing an xm37

That's 720p. Very readable.

>> No.2103704
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just leaving this for you all to (maybe) enjoy

>> No.2103718

Thanks! I needed a manual for my 14M2U

>> No.2103776

how does one even get ahold of large and good CRT monitors like this? Like it's not even a price issue for things like this, cause neither craigslist nor ebay have any ads for these types ever.

>> No.2103784

Prowled craigslist for 3 years.

>> No.2104048

Oops, i wrote 14M2 twice! Tthe second manual is also for the PVM-14M4U/E/A

You're welcome, anon :)

>> No.2104079

It has svideo, I don't know why they don't mention it though.

It just converts the colorspace and outputs composite and svid. I have a transcoder already, but would like to use some older curved glass crt's instead of flat ones. I actually have a 27" curved RCA with component input but it only syncs when it feels like it.

>> No.2104131

I seriously don't get why people like that guy before open their mouths.

>> No.2104181

Or get incredibly lucky with craigslist out of the blue.

Grabbed them and tossed them up on mediafire. I'll try to get the pastebin updated soon; Just been caught up with other shit lately.

>> No.2104189

I never thought I'd say this about anything, but the faux-wood looks better than the cheap plastic look of my TVs. Not sure how great a (presumably) RF only set from 76 would be for gaming though.

>> No.2104203

It would probably be GOAT for Atari and shit. Maybe the NES as well.

>> No.2104210

Oh yeah I just thought the ad was funny since it's all trinitron circlejerk in here
I would not buy that tv, would prefer a PVM from the mid 90s to 2000s

>> No.2104223

If you N64 guys really want some well-made amps, I can start mass producing my mini breadboard-based ones. Considered paying for PCBs but decided against it since tiny breadboards fit on the N64 heatsink just about perfects.

>> No.2104415

what are all the strings you normally search?

>> No.2104454

just remember to record all the models it applies to, because i forgot in that first post :) The cover of the manual tells you, obviously :)

>> No.2104473


How does the NEC handle HD content? I think my 29 model supports it (once I get a transcoder), but I am worried about how said content will look, especially since it isn't a widescreen tube. I know you posted a photo, but in person vs photo and all that. I was thinking about getting a decent computer monitor to play my most modern widescreen consoles, but if that handles them well maybe I can avoid...

>> No.2104505


CRT. I wasn't joking when I said incredibly lucky.

I gotcha.

I'm wondering how he has it connected up to output 720p.

>> No.2105920


That set can sync 720p, but not 1080p. The size and position controls are powerful enough position it in the center like that. The tape is there to help keep the aspect ratio. The picture is a bit bigger than my widescreen 32" LCD.

I use it for the size and It looks great (that photo makes it look pretty bad). It works especially well with subtitled anime because the subs can be displayed in the black bar under the picture. A CRT PC monitor would be clearer with 1080p, but obviously smaller.

Why do you need a transcoder for your 29?


Wii VGA cable. It seems like it works even though I have an ntsc console.


I think I found that one just by searching "nec".

>> No.2105943

>Wii VGA cable
Is there a specific one you're using. A quick search brings up a few cables of dubious quality.

>> No.2105972



I don't know what kind of quality issues a cable like this could have, but it works fine for me.

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Alright, so it looks like it's just an inline transcoder(and sync splitter) feeding off of the component lines.

>> No.2106027
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That isn't the file I selected.

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>inline transcoder(and sync splitter)

I feel like a cheap cable can't be that complicated. I guess a resistor math network wouldn't be too expensive to cram into a cable. Still more than I would expect.

>> No.2106323
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Nearly certain that you can't get 31khz+ RGB signal out of the system, so that leaves changing the color space of the component signal and and splitting the sync info.

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My snes has this model
Would I be able to get rgb with a scart canle no problem?

>> No.2106546


>> No.2106552

Yes, all normal SNES's (model SNS-001) have S-Video and RGB out. Only the mini SNES's (model SNS-101) are missing S-Video and RGB, and they can easily be restored by modding.

>> No.2106554

Oh ok
All this "IT HAS TO BE 1CHIP OR IT SUCKS" has me worried

>> No.2106567

1CHIP SNES's are nice because they have better video quality in most cases than earlier models, but it's not the kind of different that you really need to be worrying about like sound quality in Genesis/MegaDrive versions. I have a North American 1CHIP and an early Japanese Sufami and the difference between them isn't that much. In fact, the early Sufami has a less prominent vertical line issue than my 1CHIP does.

>> No.2106575

Would any poster here happen to know if converting Hdmi to sdi will introduce input delay?

I'm going to attempt to use a playstation 3 through hdmi to a converter to a hd compatible sdi crt, so I was merely wanting to know if I would experience delay?

>> No.2106576

My genesis 1 is the non "high defenition model but with the still good motherboard not the shitty later one
And I always play 32x on it anyways so i got a special patch cable to transfer the stereo jack sound and video into the 32x in one cable the use a model 2 SCART for hd goodness

>> No.2106584

I would think that it would increase the delay by some amount. If your CRT can take HD component, you might want to get component cables for your PS3. I've used them for playing my PS3 in standard def on my Sony PVM and it looks really good other than the tiny text.

>> No.2106772

What happens if I plug the composite sync from my RGB cable into composite?

>> No.2106806


If it still carried a composite signal, it will display stuff, but if it's only a sync signal (like on the Megadrive RGB cable), then it won't display anything.

>> No.2107552

What signal is passing through the VGA cable though? The wii is only capable of outputting 480p at best, isn't it?

>> No.2107592

Wii U can output 720p and 1080i over component, so that's what the cable is working with.

>> No.2107949
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>Trinitron with built in betamax player

>> No.2108012

What's the best way to hook up my old CRT TV to my PC?

>> No.2108054

Get an old Radeon card with s-video and download crt_emudriver

or buy that vga to composite converter on Amazon

>> No.2108098

What's the best amiga type monitor to use?

>> No.2108136
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That's making me a little bit wet.

>> No.2108182

Not him, but do you have a list of such cards?

could you also not use any card that outputs through HSMI and downscale that to component or S-video?

>> No.2108292


Going through a digital->analog converter will introduce lag

Check out MAME forums, this is a pretty common question for arcade cab hobbyists

>> No.2108396

Has anybody here used an OSD RGB hack on a normal TV? What did you use for your inputs? I'm leaning towards SCART with composite on sync expected to be routed internally to the normal composite input.

>> No.2108450
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Sometimes the engineers do such a hack and this one in particular is not the best solution.
Either they should added some resistance to ground before the input capacitor or better used highspeed analogue CMOS switches.

>> No.2108831

I feel like I'm not getting your point. Are you talking about how the connections need to be terminated with 75 ohms and then paired with a coupling capacitor?

>> No.2108921
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The way how they mixed the OSD with the RGB input.
It's very poorly done and causes a certain capacitance.
I took comparison pics just to show this issue.
Notice that the white bar leaves a trail to the right and how it stops at the black bar.
On composite it wouldn't happen but it's prone to get noisy, the BE-4 chassis has a lot of flaws and it's stupid that the older BE-2A chassis is so much better.

>> No.2108936
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This issue was quite annoying when i saw it.
It was very visible in SMK and certain movie scenes.
The older KV-M1420D has the same tube as the KV-M1450D but the BE-2A chassis displays RGB crisp like a VGA monitor when the convergence is very good unlike the BE-4 chassis which is prone to display a noisy picture.
I blame Sony for using the Motorola MC44002 instead of many TDA/TEA series chips by Philips and STmicroelectronics like they did often in the late 80s and early 90s.

>> No.2108941

For anyone that's went the old GPU route for connecting a PC to an RGB monitor, is there a specific model I should look for?
ATi x600? It's plentiful and cheap
Would going for a 128mb model have much of a difference over a 256 if I'm just planning on going for 5th gen?

If the anon that managed to get the GMA950 to work for this is around, I'd love if they could give me some pointers on how to get the damn thing working.

>> No.2109151

^ somewhat related to the above question

When using an old GPU for the video-out, can you still use your current GPU for graphics processing?

>> No.2109180

I like to use 1084S because it matches my A1200 perfectly, but it looks nice with any RGB capable monitor, now I have connected her to PVM 2130QM.

>> No.2109297

Now *that* would be cool. Can it be done?

I've only just started looking into the idea of getting an old s-video capable gfx card, and i understand nothing about how to make it output lower resolutions like 240p.. A helpful anon above posted some links to the drivers, but even that is beyond me right now. If anyone has a good guide it'd be appreciated.

>> No.2109336
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well hello there

look wat I just scored,sharper then any other sony tv or monitor out there

>> No.2109434

I don't think there's GPU that can generate 240p S-video, it will always be 480i. You have to use RGB and Soft15khz or calamity driver.

>> No.2109460

I still feel like I'm missing something. Are you saying that on some models have a better RGB implementation than others? Because that's a "no duh".

>> No.2109614

I saw you post that lacie like a week ago.

>> No.2109848
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Tripod seems to work.

>> No.2109883

I play retro on an old Commodore 128 screen

>> No.2110046 [DELETED] 


Nice, enjoy your emulation inaccuracies and improper resolutions.

>> No.2110053


>he doesn't know how to connect an RGB console to a VGA PC monitor.

>> No.2110056 [DELETED] 


>he uses a scandoubler

Enjoy your improper motion and your added lag.

>> No.2110057


Commodore monitors are really nice composite video monitors, yeah.

>> No.2110058

Is it possible to display that image in full screen, discarding the gameboy themed outer border?

>> No.2110059


Not in my knowledge anon.

>> No.2110145


Yes, by adjusting the geometry.

>> No.2110372


He's just being a massive autist.

Emulation inaccuracies aren't noticeable at all in most current emulators for retro systems that aren't 3D, and you can't tell the difference between "real" native resolutions and scaled superwide native resolutions when applied correctly.

>> No.2110423


Except you can. Your ugly pixel-thick black bars filters helps too.

>> No.2110456


Sorry but you can't tell the difference between 3840x240 with nearest scaling and 320x240 or whatever. This has been tested with several different kinds of CRTs, including some 15kHz ones, and nobody can spot any differences in the output.

>Your ugly pixel-thick black bars filters helps too.

That has nothing to do with filters or resolution, that's the focus of the electron gun combined with the high phosphor density of the screen making it do that. On a properly adjusted screen, it's not a problem anyhow.

>> No.2110470


Just give me 2 screens of the same game, one with your resolution trick, the other with a 15kHz monitor. If I can't tell the two and/or designate the wrong screen as your resolution thingy, I'll stop criticizing it (not that ugly black bar filter though).

>> No.2110513
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Adding overscan could do it, but it'd fuck it up for every other game.

Here's what I can do with the PVM's current setting for overscan. Quick photo, so it looks like shit, but whatever.

>> No.2110527
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Why don't you go test it on a 15kHz monitor yourself? I don't have one capable of RGB nor do I have a way to connect it to my PC so I can only give shots of each resolution from a 31kHz monitor.

Comparing it on 2 different type screens would be pointless anyway, they would never look exactly the same even with the same exact resolution or scan rate.

>not that ugly black bar filter though

I don't know what you're talking about here. If you're talking about that black line interlacing shader, then that is meant for 480p only, and the result has zero difference from real 240p except for the brightness being halved, though black frame insertion on 240p 120hz also results in halved brightness, so it turns out exactly the same in most cases except when 480i is involved.
This would hold true even for 15kHz screens if they were capable of 480p, it would make it look the same as 240p except with 50% lower brightness. This just has to be done on 31kHz screens in order to have both native resolution and native refresh rate at the same time, and many screens can adjust contrasts, colors or brightness to compensate the brightness penalty so it ends up being a good solution.

Right is 320x240 with no scaling, left is 3840x240 with nearest scaling. Both resolutions are 120hz modes on the same monitor, with no filters or shaders. There is no visible difference between these two modes, except one will display any horizontal resolution correctly with scaling.

>> No.2110601
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>Why don't you go test it on a 15kHz monitor yourself?

Here is is, a photo of my Sony KV-14M1B.

So much for your "can't see a difference", your pixels are too wide compared to my shot, and some colors are too dark because of these black bars.

While talking about these, they looks nowhere near the scanlines you could see on Kya and other's BVM shots.

>> No.2110615


Are you stupid or something? Your screen is completely different type, with a completely different phosphor layout and coarser phosphor pitch, of course it's going to look different. This is not what it's about, it's about having correct native resolution appearance without having to constantly change the external output resolution constantly.

If you compare 320x240 and 3840x240 with nearest scaling on that screen you're using, it will look the same, period.

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BTW, these kind of screens can be simulated with CRT Royale shader at high resolutions even on a PC CRT, so that's nothing to get excited about. The hard ones to simulate are those slot mask screens, because their pattern requires more pixels to be able to be fully resolved.

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The point he's trying to make is that the gaps between each line of phosphors is way too large.

I should clean my screen with something more than a glasses cleaning cloth.

Convergence on the top right of this looks a bit off to me.

>> No.2110679

>The point he's trying to make is that the gaps between each line of phosphors is way too large.

Well that's just how that screen is, it is a higher quality tube than a TV so 240p mode has more defined scanlines. That has nothing to do with the horizontal resolution. I don't consider that a bad thing anyway as long as the brightness is sufficient to balance it out, which results in a very sharp image but with no blockiness like you get with line doubling.

Also, a PC monitor looks far better than most 15kHz screens I've ever seen at displaying 240p. Only a small percentage of 15kHz displays can match it in image quality, mostly PVM or BVM, and being 31kHz makes it far easier to get working with PCs.

>> No.2110703
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Different CRTs display things differently and which ones look better is a matter of personal preference.

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You might not consider it a bad thing, but many people do.
It may not have any filters or anything applied, but the simple sharpness and resolution of the screen make it look like you tossed the most basic of scanline filters on it and called it a day.

I will say that some of the photos I've seen of people doing low resolutions on PC monitors do look pretty damn good, but they're usually taken at a distance. When you zoom in and the aliasing ramps up, it starts to go down hill.

I realize that, and he's free to play his games however he wishes. I was just trying to clarify one of the things the other anon was getting at.

This didn't come out as well as I'd have liked, but the full screen one I took for the Halloween OP wouldn't work as well for a comparison.

>> No.2110724


I prefer the tv look. Its closer to an arcade monitor, and the scanlines don't look like someone took a sharpie to an hd screen.

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What i was saying before you cowardly reported my other posts was that you'd have an improper resolution aspect if you did display the game on a 15kHz monitor, which is true. Then you came and declared that your 3840 pixel-wide thingy on a PC monitor looked exactly the same and that there was no difference and that if you didn't agree you were an autist. After showing you a proof that what you said wasn't true, you're now saying that it is, because you were talking about line-doubled 320*240 stuff and that if hypothetically someone found a way to display this resolution on a 15kHz monitor it will look the same. This isn't the point.
The point is that your thingy don't and will never look like a 320*240@60Hz video signal displayed on a 15kHz RGB monitor. Nice, you proved that your thingy look like a 320*240@120Hz picture with black frame insertion/black lines insertion. But it doesn't look like a console is supposed to output. It just look like this filter on PC-88/98 emulators that thousands of people are asking how to deactivate it because it's just ugly and butcher both the contrasts and brightness.
Now you'll call me an autist (again) or a 15kHz purist. Yeah, I own more PC monitors than TV/15kHz RGB monitors. I love the appearance of both line-doubled 320*240 DOS games and consoles on an RGB capable TV. But what you're doing is just ugly. just letting it be line-doubled would just look better (though still inferior to a TV).
Aside from that you have tons of problems with emulators that you don't get with real hardware. Don't tell me they don't exist, I use both.

>Well that's just how that screen is, it is a higher quality tube than a TV so 240p mode has more defined scanlines.
Not it's not. It's just huge thick pixel lines. Scanlines' thickness is mostly variable, and depend on the brightness of the surrounding pixels.

>> No.2110782

>but the simple sharpness and resolution of the screen make it look like you tossed the most basic of scanline filters on it and called it a day.

That's not how it looks at all. It would look like that if you displayed it 960p with every two scanlines blacked out, but not when displaying real 240p or displaying 480p with every other line blanked, because those are displaying 240 natural scanlines either way, while the former would have both the lit and dark lines doubled, making them look blocky,

I don't think the people who "look down" on 31kHz PC monitors have actually tried using them that way and just dismiss it out of hand because it isn't "muh authentic 15kHz", or "muh authentic blurry scanlines" or "muh authentic real hardware" or some other dumb shit. I really think the whole 15kHz arcade monitor thing is overhyped in these CRT communities and that PC monitors are just as good or better.

>> No.2110829

>What i was saying before you cowardly reported my other posts was that you'd have an improper resolution aspect if you did display the game on a 15kHz monitor, which is true.

I didn't report jack shit, fuckface. There is no aspect ratio difference, you CRT displays any horizontal resolution the same no matter what, this is how consoles like PlayStation work.

You obviously don't "get" resolutions. There IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE when you use 320x240 60Hz or if you use 3840x240 60Hz with emulator stretched to fit, your CRT WILL DISPLAY BOTH 4:3 REGARDLESS. This has nothing to do with scan rate or scanlines or anything like that, so stop fucking bringing that up, you can go do this on your precious fucking 15kHz screen the same way and the results will be the same.

You obviously don't understand any of this judging by how you bringing up 15kHz or scanline width (or how you keep calling it "thingy", makes you sound like you haven't bothered to see how it works), this has nothing to do with horizontal resolution. You seem to be fixated on how my monitor "just looks like a filter" and is therefore inherently bad, but that has nothing to do with 320x240 vs 3840x240.

Again, this has nothing to do with scanlines or scan rate, this is about having the native resolution on any CRT screen, regardless if it's 15kHz or 31kHz or whatever, without having to switch modes for different games (or in the middle of the game even).

God damn, you're fucking retarded.

>> No.2110867

>Not it's not. It's just huge thick pixel lines

Yes it is, that's what 240p looks like on a PC monitor. The scanlines are indeed variable, but not to the degree of a TV.

>But what you're doing is just ugly. just letting it be line-doubled would just look better (though still inferior to a TV).

No. Line doubling is ugly and native resolution look 100% better. It is not inferior to a TV, it is easily superior to most of those blurry pieces of shit.

>Yeah, I own more PC monitors than TV/15kHz RGB monitors.

I own more CRT TVs than PC monitors, that doesn't mean anything.

> It just look like this filter on PC-88/98 emulators that thousands of people are asking how to deactivate it because it's just ugly and butcher both the contrasts and brightness.

No, it doesn't look like that with real 240p. The light is entirely focused in the lit lines so there is no loss of brightness or contrast. If you use black lines or black frames then yes it will do that but a good monitor will let you compensate.

>Aside from that you have tons of problems with emulators that you don't get with real hardware. Don't tell me they don't exist, I use both.

Name some then. Hard mode: No N64 or Saturn.

>> No.2110879

He is right about the higher quality tube. Its the same reason a PVM has huge ass scanlines is there are more phosphors on the screen so its a sharper image. Its too sharp IMO but its all due to the screen, not the resolution. Conversely if you took a rough dot pitch multisync arcade monitor with the super wide resolution (or fake scanlines) it would look just like a low res tv displaying 240p.

>> No.2110880

>arguing about CRTs
>not realizing that CRTs are inferior obsolete garbage and that 120hz VA panels are superior in every way

>> No.2111005
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>I don't think the people who "look down" on 31kHz PC monitors have actually tried using them that way
I fiddled with it a tiny bit some months back, don't think I made much headway on it and didn't see the point in continuing. If I'm emulating on PC, it's usually something turn-based, windowed and off to the side of my LCD since my PC CRT is getting to the point where the contrast on it is just fucked. If it's even somewhat dark, you can't see shit.

>"muh authentic real hardware"
I couldn't care less about whether people are emulating or using actual hardware in most cases. As long as they're playing for their own enjoyment and not just for the validation of others, what's the big deal?
There's that, and the fact that I have no room to look down on anyone for emulation when I have more photos of stuff being emulated than I do for original hardware.
Like I said before, play the games however you want, it just looks a bit off to me when you get in close.
I'd also like the clarify, I'm not commenting on anything having to do with whether you're displaying at 320px or 3840px, just the scanline gap.

Still don't have a degaussing coil, but changing the direction the 3730 was facing and changing the purity setting has reduced the distortion a bit. Still not perfect though.

S-Video from a 1001.

>> No.2111031

so blurry
so fuzzy
so.. warped

>> No.2111042
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>been looking at crts on craigslist for 4 years
>this fucking ad has been there since I started

Who the fuck has the time to keep re-listing this for 4 years? Why do they do it? What the fuck.

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Just for shits, here is my Diamondtron's take on the 240p suite.

>> No.2111580

>Not it's not. It's just huge thick pixel lines. Scanlines' thickness is mostly variable, and depend on the brightness of the surrounding pixels.

Even on a PC CRT, when you insert scanlines, you get variable scanline thickness. You would know this if, as you claim, you use PC monitors.

>> No.2111619


> There is no aspect ratio difference

Didn't say that. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word aspect (though the pixels aspect are fucking horrendous ultra-wide rectangles)

>You obviously don't "get" resolutions. There IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE when you use 320x240 60Hz or if you use 3840x240 60Hz

That wasn't the point anon, the point was that you were saying that 3840x240 on your PC monitor would look the same than a 320*240 video signal displayed on a TV, which it doesn't.
And proved on your way that it also fucks up contrasts and brightness (alright, which force you to put those settings to max to correct it, reduce the liftetime of your CRT monitor greatly. Nice job wasting these for gimmicks).


>Yes it is, that's what 240p looks like on a PC monitor. The scanlines are indeed variable, but not to the degree of a TV.

240p on a PC monitor is at a 120Hz refresh rate, so nope.

>No. Line doubling is ugly and native resolution look 100% better.

It looks closer to the original than these black bars thingy and is still enjoyable.

>It is not inferior to a TV, it is easily superior to most of those blurry pieces of shit.

Not really, these TVs are most of the time sharp enough to see well defined pixels, while these have some edges interpolation.

>Name some then. Hard mode: No N64 or Saturn.

Okay then a few of them:
SNES : huge synchronization problems, bad SPC700
Arcade/MAME : huge synch problems, inaccuracies, bad resolution handling, impossibility to emulate tons of arcade games, even some popular ones.
x68000 : huge synchronization problems, bad at handling the resolutions of the system
Amiga : bad pixel aspect and resolution handling, synchronization problems
C=64 : the SID is inaccurate
And among emulators, most of them are subject to input lags.

>> No.2111908

It takes milliseconds to click a mouse.

>> No.2111931
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>tfw no 14" PVMs near me

>> No.2111957

Contrast needs to be adjusted a bit.
According to the 240p test suite the scanlines in the brighter areas should be the same size as the dark areas.

>> No.2112005

>the scanlines in the brighter areas should be the same size as the dark areas.

Maybe on LCDs with a scanline generator, but CRTs usually experience blooming on bright colors which causes variable width raster lines.

>> No.2112009

Please refer to the help menu on the pluge screen.
To properly set the contrast the scanlines in the white area should be close to the same size as the scanlines in the black area.
CRTs experiencing blooming is not a feature. That's just a bad or improperly calibrated CRT.

>> No.2112020

Then I guess the vast majority of CRT TV screens are poorly calibrated...

>> No.2112023

Yes the majority of CRTs being consumer TVs they are mostly not calibrated correctly. The settings on the TV of an average user are usually all out of whack.
My BVM is set properly.

>For white level adjustment in CRT based displays, raise the contrast until the scanlines in the white are no longer visible, and lower them until they are the same relative size to the rest of the scanlines in the gray bars.

>> No.2112027

Not every set suffers the same amount of bloom as the others.

>> No.2112031

The reason for the "excessive" bloom is because SuperBright mode is turned on. Without it, the scanlines in bright areas are of a similar size to those in dark areas, but the picture looks darker overall.

>> No.2112043
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I like having a little bit of bloom on 240p graphics to be honest

>> No.2112098

What is the term for when certain games leave a dark colored stain on the screen in certain areas? Kind of like it is burned in, but it dissipates after the TV is turned off for a bit? Is there any way to prevent this?

>> No.2112272
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So there's nothing I can do to fix this PVM-1271q without risking electrocution correct? (Excuse the shitty photo I am not good at this)

>> No.2112476
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Stay away from the anode cap. Be sure to read every label for any pot you wish to turn. It isn't too hard. Though mine was a 20" which gave me much more room to work. Never reach around the monitor. Setup a mirror in front and always make adjustments from the back,

My experiment on my 1910 went very well. I recorded it but never got around to uploading it for anyone who needed some kind of reference.

>> No.2112656

15khz screens suck ass because they audibly whine, they have geometry and convergeance issues because of lower quality parts and they're useless for high resolutions due to their scan rate limitations and low phosphor density tubes. Interlacing is just shit, too.

>> No.2112849

Does that set not have a Service Menu mode with H-size/H-pos?

>> No.2112850 [DELETED] 

>using a tiny CRT monitor for high resolutions instead of a 40" LED screen.

No thanks.

>> No.2112887

High resolutions? Which /vr/ are you trying to play?

>> No.2112891

clearly nothing retro

>> No.2112898

So you're here because you just wanted to tell us you don't like playing highres content on SD CRTs? Fair enough.

>> No.2112912

>40" LED screen
>TN panel
>anything bigger than 24", the perfect display size

>> No.2112923


i GOT ZAPPED BY THE flyback several times and my heart still beats

>> No.2113037

Which bit is the flyback? That's the same as the flyback transformer, yes? And is that the mains supply connection, or just the PSU for the High Voltage of the picture tube? As in, the mains connection/filter capacitors feed into the flyback transformer, or they *are* the flyback transformer?

>> No.2113086

Before cracking it open and messing around with dials all willy nilly, try out all your consoles on the TV first. Especially if you intend to use RGB but don't have the cables yet (and are currently using Composite or S-Video). The screen can shift based on the type of input (Composite, S-Video, or RGB) and between each console. That overscan looks pretty normal to me, and you'll find that if you set it perfectly on one console, it'll be shifted over on another. It's a losing battle and one generally not worth the headache.

I'm and idiot and messed around with random knobs after tuning the main horizontal convergence and focus knobs (Pretty much the only shit you should touch) and messed up the convergence on all the corners. It's been a year and I still can't figure out how to get it back to it's normal settings.

I've opened up six or so CRTs so far, never been zapped once. I'm not worried, but don't be foolish, make sure you know what not to touch.

>> No.2113095

I had a Diamondtron (Don't remember the model, just found it randomly for cheap) and found it to be tinted fairly green no matter what I did. Do you find this to be the case with yours, or did I just find an old messed up one?

>> No.2113301

What's a good s-video cable to buy for SNES/N64/Gamecube? I'm seeing a lot of varying reviews of all the products online, but the official ninty cables cost entirely too much.

>> No.2113310

The cheapest one. If it breaks you can buy another one from a different brand. You'd have to go through quite a few to reach the ridiculous brand name tax of an "official" cable.

>> No.2113315

Apparently a lot of the ones online are fucked up and have checkerboarding, black lines, etc and actually look worse than even RF. So it's not as simple as just getting whatever.

And yeah, they're cheap, but I don't want to waste time getting cables that end up being defective. So I'm asking here if anyone has any reputable sources.

>> No.2113342

Careful with really cheap ones. A lot of them pass the composite video signal through both pins of the S-Video plug. That's what produces the chequerboarding, i believe.

Try to make sure it has the right pins populated and is really delivering S-video. And remember that a PAL N64 may need a special cable. And a PAL GC doesn't output S-Video.

>> No.2113346

Fair enough. I've never delved into S-video before so I wasn't aware that it has a specific problems. I've never had trouble with cheap composite/component/HDMI before.

>> No.2113348

I built my own PAL N64 S-Video cable from two genuine Nintenedo AV cables.

I've also built PS cables and Wii cables from el-cheapo ebay ones. Those will normally come with a fully-populated plug. Put it sideways on a hard surface and hit it with a mallet, gently at first but with increasing force, until it splits open. Then you can de-solder and use the plug.

They normally come without coax, simply using multi-core wire cos it's cheaper. That can be swapped easily. I spent $10 at a tip shop/junk shop and got like 5 AV cables to cut up and use.

>> No.2113351

Those chepa cables won't use coax. Not a problem with digital dignals, but for analgo it can make a slight difference - or a big on if the cable goes past, say, a speaker or woofer.

As for a reputable source, try consolegoods.co.uk

Not cheap, but they have the goods.

>> No.2113494

Hello, does anyone have any information if CRT TV brands Blaupunkt or Planar Vision are good for retro gaming? Does a 100hz CRT affect gaming? Is it good or bad?

>> No.2113532

Whatever you're trying to do isn't going to work the way you think it will.

>> No.2113542

My 100Hz tv is multiformat. gives 100Hz at SD and 50/60Hz at 480p. And it's widescreen, which is nice, although there no option to turn off that feature.

These were all features that surprised me, and might be things to look, or look out for.

>> No.2113567


100Hz CRTs, in my experience, are pretty good. You get 480p which is perfect for 6th gen and Wii. Your experience with 480i and 240p may differ - mine displays both signals pretty nicely and without scaling but there's a delay due to having to buffer the frames and scan them out twice.
Tl;dr 100Hz TVs are good for 6th gen nd stuff without light guns.

>> No.2113645

So what about those brands? Anyone have any idea?

>> No.2113678

Thinking about grabbing a DC VGA cable to see if that will work with the XC-3730c. Anyone have experience with the Tomee branded cable?

>> No.2113724
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My PVM arrived today! After all the horror stories I had a friend pick it up from the seller, and take it to Pack & Send to get spacefoamed. Best idea ever (pic related). Shit's pretty tough. I'd almost have been comfortable dropping it a few times.

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They wrap it, and then inject the foam all around and let it set. It forms a pretty solid case, and you have to break it away to get the contents out...

>> No.2113728
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And the PVM itself, a 14M4A, safe and sound after shipping.

>> No.2113846

That was how one of my 3 PVM's were shipped. Defiantly the best way, although the other two PVM's were packed very well in other ways.

>> No.2114262

Anyone knows a good shader setup for a PC CRT besides the one suggested before (3840 x 480 + tv out interlaced shader )?

>> No.2114505

You could try just using the TV-Out shader at 480p without scanlines, although I would still suggest using the superwide resolution along with it. I personally prefer the 240p look, but line-doubled 480p still looks beautiful. Just throw in a teensy bit of horizontal blur so it doesn't just look like nearest-neighbor on an LCD, is what I say.

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I've been using this JVC DT-v1710cg broadcast monitor as of late. It can do 31 and 15khz. It defaults to 31khz so everytime I play something 15khz It makes a clicking sound and changes to 15khz. Will this constant switching of scan rates wear the monitor out faster? I hope im just being paranoid.

>> No.2115228

If consumer PC CRT monitors can survive switching scan rates for years, I'm sure a professional broadcast monitor can as well.

>> No.2115290

Whoever got 6 BVMs for $30 in NJ last year is a fucking god.


>> No.2115296

Do you have the IF-C01COMG board?

>> No.2115309

I do. It came with the monitor.

>> No.2115313

Lucky you. It's a pretty affordable good monitor with that card included. With just the stock SDI card it's a potentially expensive good monitor.

>> No.2115489
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Would the owner of this kx-14cp1 happen to be here?
I believe he frequents this thread.

In any case, if you are would you have any more pictures of your set, running any playstation 1 games such as resident evil? Etc etc. Essentially any 3d low poly game

I am considering buying the monitor as I like the overall design, but as I only have the space for one, it was either going to be this model, or a bvm-14. So I had wanted to get more images before I made my choice

>> No.2115596
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I found a PVM-20M4U in my area. The more modern/quality PVM's seem to be getting rare in my state. I tried to get it for $120, but the lowest the seller would go is $220. I tried to haggle somewhere in-between, but he couldn't deal.

Should I do it /vr/?

>> No.2115623
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bought a pvm and asked for pics of packaging before i decided to pay

seller sent me this

i don't think this is enough to make it survive through shipping.
What do you think?

it's a 2130QM BY THE WAY

>> No.2115627

doesn't look too hot. IF it breaks on the way, will the seller assume responsibility?

>> No.2115628

don't think so. i can get it back anyway with paypal in any case or have the freight company take care of that since ebay gives no fucks about sellers but it's not something i want happening at all to begin with. these things are rare and it would be the second PVM that would come broken

anyone have that picture of a CRT in a box with shitloads of packing peanuts and bubble wrap? i want to send him that. I ain't paying if i don't get my package like i want it.

>> No.2115636

$220 sound crazy, especially for something local.
Even if you were paying to have it shipped, that's high.

It could probably use another layer of bubble wrap and more padding in the box itself. Which looks ridiculously shallow from that perspective.

>anyone have that picture of a CRT in a box with shitloads of packing peanuts and bubble wrap? i want to send him that. I ain't paying if i don't get my package like i want it.

I can go take a photo of the boxes and amount of bubble wrap used if you'd like. I still have it sitting in my attic.

>> No.2115640

>I can go take a photo of the boxes and amount of bubble wrap used if you'd like. I still have it sitting in my attic.
yeah if you can do that i would appreciate it immensely

when the crt comes here i'll post dem scanlines for you too

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Ft. 24FS100, 3730c, and 32FS13. PS2 controller and SNES for scale.

Large box is 24x24x24in, smaller is 22x22x22in.

Shipped by Fedex(still sort of sad I didn't see it being brought up my front steps). UPS supposedly has given many people grief when it comes to safely shipping CRTs, so trying to get it done via Fedex might be something to look into.

>> No.2115665

See above for my pics on spacefoaming dat shit :)

>> No.2115670

How do I get shit spacefoamed in the US? I know UPS has some kinda spacefoaming packets, but they are small and expensive. We don't have pack and send here.

>> No.2116302

Search for shipping centers with Instapak machines.

>> No.2116504

or just make the seller go out and buy a can or two of spacefoam from Home Depot at your expense?

>> No.2116603

Like one of these cans?


I'm not sure it would be enough to encase a CRT.

>> No.2116617

Well, it expands, but you're probably right. Buy more cans :)

>> No.2116680

Just make the seller understand the foam should not contact the CRT, the CRT needs to be wrapped as it is above.

>> No.2117868


Good deal?

>> No.2117895

What do you prefer, 14 or 20 inch?

>> No.2117901

He calls himself speedlolita, you can find his shit through google. It's a kawaii monitor, almost got one myself.

>> No.2118246

no rgb, but if you're cool with svideo its a sweet looking monitor

>> No.2118274

And brand new, that would be the shit for old consoles, But if I bought another crt my gf would set me on fire.

>> No.2119129

>native resolution 2048 x 1536 at 80 Hz, 1600 x 1200 / 85 Hz

Ya did good.

>> No.2119139

sup /crt/

what do you gents know about tv input hardware mods? i recall seeing a video not too long ago where a guy took a tv that only had coaxial out and wired up composite+rca out. i know my way around a soldering iron and am aware of the necessary precautions for opening up a crt tv.


>> No.2119705

What color temperature do you use and why is it 6500K?

>> No.2119709


Because it's the closest you'll ever get from real colors under the natural sunlight.

>> No.2120228

Go get an electrical engineering degree. Then you'll be ready.

>> No.2121567

I bought a 14" PVM recently, and i'm a little disappointed by it. The resolution is nice, and the RGB cables i've built work fine, but the colours and (low) brightness are awful.

If I use S-Video i can turn the chroma dial up, which helps a little bit, but there's nothing like that for RGB or component, is there? (Would removing the 200uF capacitors in the RGB lines for a PSOne make things brighter? Would changing the termination or grounding resistance do anything?)

It's also dim as fuck without both brightness and contrast somewhere near max. And at max, the brightness just washes things out, everything starts to go white without resolving any more detail.

The set has been heavily used, no doubt, and it was cheap, but is there any way to make it brighter and more colourful? I realise it's probably just worn out, which is a real shame.

My other set, a 28" multiformat Panasonic, has a much nicer picture.I bought the PVM to use on my desk, but i can't see shit using it until the sun goes down and the lights are off.

>> No.2121572

*220UF, soz.

And the picture on the PVM also flickers like crazy, it's kind of annoying.

>> No.2122114
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Shit man, that sucks.

>Would changing the termination or grounding resistance do anything
If you're talking about on the PVM side of things, if you don't terminate the video out(assuming they're not auto terminated) it will be brighter, but it also seems to wash everything out at the same time.
Someone with the right equipment and a significant amount of knowledge could possibly be able to rejuvenate the tube, but I wouldn't even know where to start, and I believe that would only work for the gun(s); This sounds more like the phosphors have just seen their better days and are on their way out.
Then again, my knowledge on the heavily technical side of these things is limited, so there may be something you could do to alleviate the problem to some extent. Perhaps it could use a recap, I honestly don't know.

Shitty photo, but it seems like the HS420 is pretty good on the processing end of things.

Model 2 ->___RF__ -> VCR ->PVM ->HS

>> No.2122145

Does anyone know of any modern TV's in 4:3? A CRT if possible? I really like my current setup, but I could always go for a thinner tv. Not flat screen thin, but thinner.

>> No.2122148

CRTs are only made in...Korea, I think now? Not distributed here in the west, anyway.

They don't make 4:3 LCDs anymore, unfortunately. The last ones I remember are those Dell monitors from 2004-2005-ish before everything went 16:9 or 16:10.

>> No.2122156

Damn, a thinner modern TV in 4:3 with good A/V and Composite outputs would be great for collectors.

>> No.2122171

When CRTs get hipster enough, it will happen. Vinyls still get pressed.

>> No.2122367

lol, let's hope :)

>> No.2122429

>CRTs are only made in...Korea

Taiwan, and some in Japan (this ultra-expensive Ikegami multisynch Broadcast video monitor).

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i cant wait for my SCART cables to arrive.
i ordered them for just about all my consoles
here's third strike on the og xbox via composite.

>> No.2122897

oh yeah and its a europoor trinitron KV21-M3L

..with mono sound :-(

>> No.2123053

You can always build an RGB amp and see if that helps. Most likely the phosphor coating is worn out. There's only one or two places that have the machines to reapply CRT phosphor, and it's very expensive, mostly only used on CRT projector tubes since they're so small.

>> No.2123058

Why would you do that dot bee emm pee.

>> No.2123060

There may still be the proper tooling out there somewhere in mexico, sitting unused in a factory or in some massive storage facility. I doubt it, though. It's probably been melted down for scrap by now.

Then again, the Impossible Project managed to get Polaroid type film off the ground again. Maybe when the arteest hipsters get nostalgic for CRTs it'll happen again.

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Because I don't even have composite cables for the thing, and I don't have the dosh to buy a SCART cable for it at the moment.
The VCR outputs it as both composite and s-video, but it still doesn't look that great.
Which is which?

>> No.2124249

Anyone know how to access the service menu on a RCA T20TF668 crt?

>> No.2124261


Isn't the left one S-video ?

>> No.2124276

I'm going to get into the service menu and try to set the RGB line levels. That might help. After that, well, it might need a recap. More likely the phosphors are gone through ages of use. Even with the chroma way up it's still not very bright.

How hard is it to recap a PVM-14M4U/A/E? Anyone done it? Is it just the caps on the main board that'll need to be replaced?

>> No.2124358

Nope. Left is Composite and right is S-Video
While it does help with dot crawl, and color bleed(mainly on pure red) it increases it in other areas(between the Ss in password for one)
Some games look better over S-Video this way, and others over composite. Super Hang-On seems to be better on composite, where as Streets of Rage is way too bright and almost washed out looking over composite.

I can't decide whether to grab a Model 1 or Model 2 SCART lead, as I'm pretty sure that none of the four Genesis consoles I have are ones with particularly good audio and I don't know whether I'm going to settle for a good model 2 or search for an HD Model 1. Would be really neat if someone sold a little adapter for switching between the two; Essentially pointless, but neat.

And then I end up using the model 3 for some reason.

>> No.2124369

>I can't decide whether to grab a Model 1 or Model 2 SCART lead,

Both have a different AV port shape, and the Model 2 cables are pretty shitty too.

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When I get around to getting a Model 1, I'll probably try to get a cable like this one so my Model 2 SCART will work on it.

The Model 2 cable I have is solid.

>> No.2124379

I know they have different shaped connectors, that's why I can't decide.

>Model 2 cables are pretty shitty too.
I'm gonna go with a retro_console_accessories cable on this one, so quality isn't going to be a problem.

As I said, the main hold up is on which console I ultimately end up using, a "High Definition Graphics" Model 1 or one of the Model 2s with decent audio.

And more so on the Model 1, to go with a VA2, or a 3-6?

Where would you even get a cable like that? Assuming it wouldn't be stupidly expensive, getting one of those would be the best option for maximum compatibility with the systems I have/might want to use.

>> No.2124390

The RetroRGB guy apparently got his from RetroGamingCables, probably a custom order.


I'm guessing it's just this cable with a Female Mini-DIN instead of the male one.


>> No.2124395

Yeah, I decided to check there after posting. Thanks.

I've heard things about their cables sometimes not being wired correctly for ground, so if I was going to get a custom job done, I'd likely try with retro_console_accessories first to see if she could do it; Only makes sense, since that's where I'd be getting the actual SCART cable from anyway.

>> No.2124407

I was one of the guys who posted in previous threads about that problem. Specifically, the SCART to BNC adapters I got for my PVM didn't have the grounds for Red, Green, Blue connected. It was an easy fix and the cables worked on my PVM without them grounded, but some devices need it.

But yeah, I'd check with Retro Console Accessories first. Every cable I've gotten from them has been fully grounded.

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I'll just leave this here, pretty sweet photos of CRTs


in b4

>> No.2125020

Started a new thread myself since this one hit the bump limit coincidentally with Squarepusher once again being here calling us retards.

>> No.2125370

>coincidentally with Squarepusher once again being here calling us retards.

u wot m8?

>> No.2126031


>PVM-14M4A too dim, though it might be dying phosphors.

LOL, it was the auto-termination! I jacked some empty BNC-RCA adapters into the back, to open the auto-termination, and wowsa! Picture is now amazing.

Something to keep in mind. This was with both PSOne and Wii using RGB and RGB/Component respectively. I had NOT added extra resistors in line, either. The PS RGB cable is homemade, and does use the 220uF caps on each line.

>> No.2126037

Good to hear it's all working.

>> No.2126065

I am relieved, yes. Turned out to be a simple fix, and i'm surprised by that.

I modded a PAL N64 recently, to output S-Video cleanly so it could just use a standard S-video cable and didn't need a special one. I did it using potentiometers to ground, so i could adjust the resistance, but short of reducing it to 0, where the screen went black, nothing much changed on my other CRT. Which is 480p, so might be the processing I guess. Will have to play around.

>> No.2126645

Really? I need to try this. You put some adapters on the loop-through connections (rgb out) and it boosted the signal?