/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2069501]

Does anyone know a good place where I could buy one of these debugging Playstation 1 consoles? Looking for one so I can play a stack of Japanese PS1 games my friend gave to me. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2069545]

>>2069501
really man? you want to buy one of the most covetated PS1 versions just to play some imports?
guy their are way easier ways to do that, two dirt easy ways would to either get a swap disk, theyr like 10 bucks from EBAY or a goldfinger, which plugs into the back I/O
Then thirdly their is mod chipping, which will require either more money than the previous two or some skills with soldering... and still more money...
>mfw I found out about all this trying to instead play homebrews

[Anonymous No.2069548]

>>2069501
>spend $$$$$ for something that youll only use 1/10th of its abilitys
>spend $ for only exactly what you need

[Anonymous No.2069550]

Yeah, really. Hell, 50% of the PS1/PSones you buy here on flea markets are already modded, and cost like 10-30 bucks.
Trying to get this debug model is gonna set you back at least 500.

[Anonymous No.2069551]

>>2069548
>pickone

[Anonymous No.2069560]

>>2069545
>>2069550
Is it hard to mod your PS1 to play imports? I have the original brick PS1, and a soldering gun thing.

[Anonymous No.2069564]

>>2069560
if you call is a soldering gun-thing, then you probably shouldn't be doing it, but it can be relatively easy if you watch enough youtube tutorials

[Anonymous No.2069565]

>>2069560
Yeah, you need to buy a modchip first, but you may do some swap tricking instead, if I'm not wrong.

[Anonymous No.2069578]

>>2069565
uhg though i would highly not recommend that man, shit can over time fuck up the motor on your disk spinner, + if you already have a heavily used one it sometimes wont even work.

[Anonymous No.2069582]

I think these display some games glitchily. So have fun paying a ton of money for something that's inferior just because it's rare and blue.

[Anonymous No.2069590]

>>2069582
not op but id actually love one JUST because its blue, like if i had the chance id take a broken one and swap the cases.

[Anonymous No.2069624]

>>2069545
>some skills with soldering
Why do you people act like soldering is such a big deal? It's piss easy and and important thing to learn if you want to deal with old electronics.

[Anonymous No.2070212]

Ebay

shit's cheap, bought both a black and blue a few months back.

[Anonymous No.2070214]

>>2069624
Making ugly and unreliable joints is easy, making good joints takes practice. Watch some soldering videos on Youtube and solder and desolder various scrap boards until you get the hang of it. And use a soldering iron, not a soldering gun, soldering guns are for plumbing.

[Anonymous No.2070250]

>>2069501
>anyone know a good place

you've heard of ebay right?

[Anonymous No.2070384]

>>2070250
go on...

[Anonymous No.2070568]

>>2069501
Someone here in my town is selling that system you posted for $100. Thought about getting it myself, but as others have said, I would just mod chip my regular psx/ps1 systems instead.

[Anonymous No.2071146]

>>2069564
>if you call it a soldering gun-thing, then you probably shouldn't be doing it
So many times, this. Then again, he's only going to lose thirty bucks if he fucks up.

[Anonymous No.2071163]

>>2071146
it's probably better to practice on something that's broken rather than something that is not

[Anonymous No.2071172]

Just because you can melt some solder wire does mean you can solder well.
There's a reason that many video game moders/repair are in business right now. And it's not because people are lazy.

[Anonymous No.2071178]

>>2069501
YI: The best PlayStation is an original Japanse model SCPH-1000 that has been modded with the laser mechanism from a PSone model SCPH-101. This gives you the best audio and video fidelity combined with the longest lasting and most reliable laser.

Bonus points if you perform this mod on a DTL-H1000 model blue debugger PlayStation.

[Anonymous No.2071183]

>>2071178
The sound is the exact same.

[Anonymous No.2071191]

>>2071183
it's not, the 1000/1 has a better DAC

[Anonymous No.2071197]

>>2071191
No. Please just stop with the audiophile shit.

[Anonymous No.2071207]

>>2069501

You can buy a modded PlayStation for a fraction of the price of those these, and it will provide superior performance.

Also, are you aware some of these have buggy GPUs and won't render games exactly correctly?

Also, the laser mechs on most of them are completely shot, and the ones that are left over would probably be best not to be put into service for daily playing seeing as how these things are only going to get more rare. Sure, you can swap the drive, but we'd like to keep them all original if we could.

A SCPH-1000 costs less than fifty bucks and will let you play your games. Leave the debuggers to the people who really care about such things.

[Anonymous No.2071208]

>>2070212

You either got very lucky or you're dirty liar. Especially for the Yaroze.

[Dalton !jXvdPmWDes No.2071209]

>>2071183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmmQdWmhoMc
hear and cry!

[Anonymous No.2071215]

>>2071191
this

[Anonymous No.2071218]

>>2071178
I originally posted this statement that has now become pasta and I immediately corrected it in the same thread, but for some reason people keep leaving the part out about these things having issues with gouraud shading if they have the oldest GPU revision.

The best PlayStation is that same mod, but only when it is done on a system with the second GPU revision forward (which included some blue debuggers).

[Anonymous No.2071240]

>>2071215
>>2071191
>>2071209
They sound the exact same.

[Anonymous No.2071306]

>>2071218
Mind elaborating on those issues? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.2071348]

>>2071209
>not blaming shit tier sony cable
>comparing games without native 44.1KHz sampling
>arguing over ANALOG audio performance
>not modding for superior digital out
plebs

[Anonymous No.2071369]

>>2071348
>arguing over ANALOG audio performance

Uh, yeah, that's what a DAC is supposed to be good at.

>comparing games without native 44.1KHz sampling

So you mean comparing games which don't exist?

[Anonymous No.2071384]

>>2069624
Soldering is like magic to a generation that takes their phone to the apple store when their battery goes does.

[Anonymous No.2071461]

>>2071384
I'm 22 and I don't know anything but the basics of soldering and didn't attempt anything yet, basically because I don't have something I could afford to waste in the case of fucking up (including my hands). I suppose people familiar with soldering had a lot of scrap hardware to mess with, or a parent/relative which did it for living, and could experiment and learn from mistakes and so on. Some people aren't that lucky and can't get over things that fast. If someone doesn't know the first thing about soldering he doesn't deserve to be picked upon.

I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to this kind of stuff and I could even get shaky hands so the least I could do is studying a 300 page paperweight about soldering so there is nothing left to doubt. I'd also like to do a clean work.

I'm also not a fan of raising pins. Call me a failure, but my anxiety gets the best of me.

[Anonymous No.2071470]

>>2069501
Just get a modchip. MM3 at Eurasia is like $5.

[Anonymous No.2071473]

>>2071178
Oh, not this tripe again. Just shut up about your stupid audiophile nonsense. Nobody gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.2071474]

>>2071348
speaking of soldering practice, that's one ugly-ass mod

[Anonymous No.2071481]

OP, the cheapest/best way to do this is probably with a softmodded slim PS2. The games will play identically to the way they did on the PSX. Look into FreeMCboot.

[Anonymous No.2071487]

>>2071369
>So you mean comparing games which don't exist?

All games that use CD Audio have native 44.1khz output on the Playstation. Mostly games from the first few years.

They switched over to using XA Audio to save space, which is 37.8khz ADPCM, so totally not cd quality.

[Anonymous No.2071492]

>>2071473
vinyl > cd's like it or not!

[Anonymous No.2071496]

>>2071492
Assuming it was recorded and mastered entirely with analog equipment every step of the way without any digital equipment bottlenecking the signal. So basically every record pressed after 1985 is identical to its CD counterpart.

[Anonymous No.2071509]

>>2071487
Sample and sampling are two different things. The internal sampling for ADPCM is locked at 44.1KHz as far as I know, not to mention you're not forced to stream music from a file.

[Anonymous No.2071598]

>>2071461
>I don't have something I could afford to waste in the case of fucking up
go buy thrift store VCR or something to practice on

[Anonymous No.2071658]

>>2071598
As a matter of fact I do have a number of broken VCRs. Some are gone crazy, while others just have dirty heads or just can't move the tape on their own anymore.

Let's say I take the crazy one, I don't know what shock caused the electrical part to schitz out, but I don't think it can be repaired without the replacements, so what should I practice on, exactly? Adding/removing resistors, connecting pins, that sort of stuff? I wouldn't know where to start.

>>2071496
You mean post 1985 vinyls have 16bit sampling?

[Anonymous No.2071661]

>>2071492
Leave and don't come back

[Anonymous No.2071664]

>>2071496
The argument falls apart even more if you consider stuff like 24bit 96kHz digital. That's beyond the physical resolution afforded by the vinyl monomers.

[Anonymous No.2071683]

>>2071487
What are some games with CD Audio?

[Anonymous No.2071718]

>>2071683
The Wipeout series for one. Although "CD Audio" doesn't mean much in his case, CD tracks are basically really long 44.1KHz 16bit samples. This means Sequenced music can also achieve CD Audio quality since it's also sampled at 44.1KHz, but then you're limited by the sound RAM.

[Anonymous No.2071721]

>>2071658
>You mean post 1985 vinyls have 16bit sampling?

Not the records themselves, but they can only recreate the sound that was pressed on them, which quite likely was recorded on or mixed/mastered through something with 16bit sampling.

[Anonymous No.2071736]

>>2071461
You basically just confirmed everything you replied to was true but somehow see it as being "picked upon" followed by loads of excuses why you can't do something. It's like you're trying to reenforce all the sterotypes of a 20 something autist.
Few people here had all the shit you believe they did to learn how to solder. They just fucking did it and learned instead of tisming over reading a 300 page book and somehow holding the soldering iron by the wrong end long enough to so serious damage.

[Anonymous No.2071741]

>>2071197
"aduiophile shit" has nothing to do with the 1000/1 coming with a DAC that is objectively better

sorry to cause pain in your anus, but it is true

[Anonymous No.2071749]

>>2071741
Please, post some sources that actually confirm the DAC as giving better output. I want _at least_ a comparison of frequency response for each model.

[Anonymous No.2071752]

>>2071721
Yes that's what I meant, but why would they do that? Weren't masters really high quality tapes or something? Props for preserving a digital hard copy of them, but I expected real masters (at the time, of course) to always have been 22KHz analog recordings with no sampling whatsoever. Way to take away the only advantage vinyls had.

[Anonymous No.2071763]

>>2071461
>I'm 22 and I don't know anything but the basics of soldering and didn't attempt anything yet, basically because I don't have something I could afford to waste in the case of fucking up (including my hands).
You can get a simple PCB, wires, LEDs and a 9v battery, plus solder and an iron for under $25. If it's something you wanna learn how to do, go for it. It's not as hard as people on here are making it out to be. Modding a console requires you to understand circuit board diagrams and stuff; it's not easy but it's also not that difficult.

[Anonymous No.2071778]

>>2071492
What's the story with long-term longevity of CDs vs vinyl? I know about disc rot but I'm sure most 20s 7 inches aren't doing that great either.

[Anonymous No.2071784]

>>2071752
I'd argue that 12"x12" album art is pretty cool, but yeah, DAT was 48khz at 16bits.

[Anonymous No.2072429]

>>2071658
Just practice desoldering and resoldering whatever is in there. It's not that hard to learn

[Anonymous No.2072571]

>>2071492
>vinyl
>not superior DTS-HDMA
fedora.jpg

[Anonymous No.2073937]

>>2071778
>vinyl
>20s
>7 inches

[Anonymous No.2074002]

>>2071461
Nigger I bought a $15 "how to solder" kit on Amazon, played with it for a few hours, then successfully installed a Saturn and PS1 modchip.

It's seriously not hard to do, don't let some spergs or your anxiety tell you otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2074042]

>>2071208
The blue ones aren't particularly valuable unless there just happens to be one overpriced eBay auction running at a given time. They produced thousands and thousands of them, unlike the Yarouze. I worked at Crystal Dynamics towards the end of the PSX era and we had stacks of the blue debug units floor to ceiling.

[Anonymous No.2074047]

>>2074002
yeah, it's really not hard at all. a steady hand at best is all that's needed.

[Anonymous No.2074065]

>>2074042
So what's the difference between debug units and regular consumer ones? Aside from having the 100x back. At least with the Yaroze you could run stuff from a PC or Workstation.

6th gen debug units had superior hardware in comparison to the consumer console.

[Anonymous No.2074114]

>>2074002
>$15 radio shack soldering iron
be ready to burn traces on newer systems with it

[Anonymous No.2074595]

>>2074114
I bought a real soldering iron as well as the little kit.

[Anonymous No.2077171]

>>2071492
>>2071496
>>2071661
>>2072571
Vinyl is generally MUCH better than CD because it's not nearly as cranked and distorted from the loudness war.

[Anonymous No.2077924]

So I might be able to get one of these, but it is really beat up. What would you say is a fair offer to make?

[Anonymous No.2077928]

>>2077924

Can't tell if it says H1001 or H1101

[Anonymous No.2077931]

>>2077928
Sadly, no s-video port.

[Anonymous No.2077934]

>>2077924
>>2077928
>>2077931

The guy says it does work, but not very well. I have a spare SCPH-1001 that works excellently, so the drive being worn out isn't such an issue (I can just swap them).

[Anonymous No.2080141]

>>2069501
You dont speak jap then do you?

Could you list a few from the stack?
Just wandering if Acecombat 3 is one of the games? The western version was so cut back, you barely knew what was going on, but I got the impression it had a great story ~ it always bothered me that I'd never experience the complete article.

[Anonymous No.2081357]

>>2077924
>>2077928
>>2077931
My guess is $50-$90..that's just me though. And I think the model number is H1101

[Anonymous No.2081728]

>>2081357
I offered to trade a boxed gamecube + accessories + metroid prime for it and he turned me down.

[PB No.2082378]

>>2071461
Scrap for soldering? This is not welding
The very first thing I ever soldered was a psx mod chip when I was 17. Dead serious. I then soldered 2 more for friends.
...scrap... Really? Its easy man, try it.

[Anonymous No.2083647]

>>2077931

You know the multi-out carries s-video, right?

[Anonymous No.2083674]

why the fuck would you want a debugging PS1 version just for playing games?

this version is only interesting if you develop for it. otherwise just emulate.

[Anonymous No.2083778]

>>2077171
>he doesn't know DTS-HDMA is LOSSLESS

[Anonymous No.2083982]

>>2069501
it's better to mod one, otherwise it's a waste and debug ones might not perform as reliably as retail units.

and for actual debugging, emulators have decent features in that direction.

[Anonymous No.2084037]

>>2069501
I can play imports on my PS.

I bought a 20 bucks external chip like 17 years ago.

[Anonymous No.2084051]

Just look around Ebay OP and you mght get a good deal on a NTSC-J PS1. I was able to snag one for $45 and it came with two controllers and a nice stack of games.

Luckily the seller was in Canada so I didn't have to pay out the ass for shipping.