SNES & Genesis Component Cables

[Anonymous No.2059039]

Have you seen this?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

Eyeroll-inducing humor aside, this would be a dream come true if... well, if it came true.

[Anonymous No.2059069]

>>2059039

What value would component cables add to the old consoles? Genuine question from a pleb

[Anonymous No.2059070]

>>2059069
better picture quality, at least in theory

[Anonymous No.2059073]

>Eyeroll-inducing humor aside, this would be a dream come true if... well, if it came true.

It's not really much of a dream. All these cables do is convert the RGB output of the system into component cables. Nice concept but the cables are really expensive, not to mention a wait until July at the least to get the cables. May as well just get a SCART to component converter and the respective SCART cables if you really want component out of your systems. Cheaper in the long run, too, if you want both the SNES and Genesis cables.

[Anonymous No.2059080]

>>2059070
They're basically transcoding RGBs into a similar signal, of course it's going to be better than composite / s-video, it's not even a question.

How did they achieve this without a transcoder though? I'm guessing csync goes into Y while Red and Blue go into Pr and Pb?

Also, does RGB always look this washed out on the SNES? It happens to me too, the right side of a really dark pixel leaves this visible hue ghosting. I thought it was my cheap cable catching up some interference from the composite line (hell, I even thought composite was crispier than the RGB I got), but I'm reconsidering buying a better cable if this is the better result I can achieve.

[Anonymous No.2059082]

>>2059073
I came to say pretty much all of this.

If they can get the cost down to around fifteen dollars I'd buy one just to save time

[Anonymous No.2059098]

>>2059082
I think they're around $30.

Also, your TV needs to output 240p.

[Anonymous No.2059129]

>>2059069
A Sega Genesis can output better picture quality than there exist cables to display it. You currently need to mod it or get expensive converters to see the difference.

As for the SNES, I believe it has S-video cables, though I've never seen them. Pretty much the same story: convenience.

[Anonymous No.2059137]

>>2059129
>You currently need to mod it or get expensive converters to see the difference
>As for the SNES, I believe it has S-video cables, though I've never seen them.

Are you by any case living under a rock?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059151]

>>2059080
>How did they achieve this without a transcoder though? I'm guessing csync goes into Y while Red and Blue go into Pr and Pb?
It's using an inline transcoder, that they supposedly tweak to give better quality based on the system.

>>2059082
>>2059098
I asked in the past, and was given the answer that they wanted to keep it under $40.

Their claims of it being cheaper than going for a standalone transcoder is only valid if you're planning on just getting single cable.

[Anonymous No.2059169]

>>2059151
What about the emphasized blur? Is it supposed to look this bad? I mean yeah there's no artifacts but I want RGB to look just like an emulator screen. Every SEGA console does better than this with cheap cables.

[Anonymous No.2059196]

>>2059080
You generally can't tell the difference between s video and rgb.

[Anonymous No.2059198]

>>2059080

The quality of SNES RGB output depends on the hardware revision

http://retrorgb.com/snesversioncompare.html

[Anonymous No.2059202]

>>2059196
lol

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059203]

>>2059169
Non-1chip model 1 SNES's are slightly blurry, even over RGB.
1chips and Jr/Mini's have much sharper output, with the slight drawback of glitching in a few games.

This is a bit shoddily put together, but the fourth row is the easiest comparable

SNES Composite
SNES Mini Composite
SNES S-Video
SNES RGB
SNES Mini RGB

[Anonymous No.2059206]

>>2059196
If RGB is good (not like >>2059169
), then yes I can.

>>2059129
>You currently need to mod it or get expensive converters to see the difference.

This is blatantly false.

[Anonymous No.2059209]

>>2059202
Maybe I'll get a capture card soon to show a bunch of systems/revisions with how they look with different outputs. I wont list the output and I guarantee no one will guess the rgb and s video.
Still wont stop people from thinking it's rgb or nothing...

[Anonymous No.2059214]

>>2059209
rgb and s-video are pretty easily discernible if you actually care about getting the best quality. Otherwise why not just settle for RF?

[Anonymous No.2059216]

>>2059206
Seriously. The Genesis is one of the most RGB friendly systems there is. There's one variant of the model 3 that doesn't output RGB but otherwise everything else has perfect RGB output.

Even the damn Nomad has it.

[Anonymous No.2059223]

>>2059203
I can't say for sure, but my RGB signal is even blurrier than your 4th row, I mean, I can't even make out chibi Mario's eyes in SMW, while composite is at least more forgiving and doesn't blur things as much.

Thanks anyway, I'll put up with it, once I get rid of the buzzing noise.

[Anonymous No.2059225]

>>2059214
I'm a bit slow with my mod work but in a few months time after I finish this turbografx I'll get a capture card and show a bunch of out puts for different consoles.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059236]

>>2059214
He really needs to redo this image with everything aside from RF on the PVM. That model supports it perfectly fine. The fact that he uses a consumer television for the first 4 just makes it seem like there's a much larger gap between S-Video and RGB as well as Component and RGB than there actually is.

If I had a proper tripod and a way to take shots without moving the camera, I'd do it myself.

[Anonymous No.2059239]

>>2059214
Not really. You can see a huge jump from composite to s-video there. The RGB just looks like the same photo take with some light glare on the TV.

[Anonymous No.2059278]

>"too expensive"

You'll pay top dollar for official Sony cables or GC component cables, you'll blow money on upconverters, you'll do extensive mods, but this, THIS is "too expensive."

I think someone's rained on your elitist parade. Suddenly plebs will be able to get the same quality you got with much greater ease. Poor you.

[Anonymous No.2059284]

>>2059278
>You'll pay top dollar for official Sony cables

Those are cheap though, not even comparable with GC component cables. That reminds me these people didn't even come and attempt at making a PS1 component cable.

>you'll do extensive mods
>Suddenly plebs will be able to get the same quality you got with much greater ease

You don't know what you're talking about. These cables won't get any people anywhere we didn't get with much less money. Consoles such as the N64 will still need modding and these cables won't even do jack to make it support Component.

[Anonymous No.2059289]

>>2059278
It's too expensive because you can get a better quality rgb cable and then a rgb to component for about the same.
Not if they're making a gamecube component cable for $40 and it's not shit then that's great. But they're not.

[Anonymous No.2059292]

>>2059284
>These SNES cables won't even work on the N64
you don't say

>It's too expensive because you can get a better quality rgb cable and then a rgb to component for about the same.
So two options, both cost "about the same," but one's more expensive. Gotcha. Thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.2059297]

>>2059284

My guess is that these things will get S-video quality picture through the Component inputs /at best/, and Composite with a slight to significant reduction in noise at worst.

If there's no circuit for YUV on the PPC for the SNES, then there's no Component support without hardware modification. Same for Genesis, and I don't believe there are any solutions for this as most people either do S-video, or RGB.

I know some SNES 001 models have Component support that isn't used at all similar to the S-Video support on the 101 models that needs minor mod work to complete the circuit between the AV multi-out and the PPC, but that's about it.

There's no fucking way this shit is going to be the same as hardware YUV support from the consoles PPC.

[Anonymous No.2059298]

>>2059284
>These cables won't get any people anywhere we didn't get with much less money.
>>2059289
you can get a better quality rgb cable and then a rgb to component for about the same.

So which is it, boys, much more expensive or about the same price? Since it's a matter of fact there really shouldn't be any discrepancy. (Also let me know how you know a cable that doesn't yet exist can be of lesser quality absolutely)

[Anonymous No.2059301]

>>2059292
>you don't say

Yes, I indeed say that assertion alone makes the rest of your post sound like garbage. Because getting component over SNES is as cheap as it gets and requires no modding or expensive cables/upconverters. Only the SCART cable and a simple transcoder.

[Anonymous No.2059306]

>>2059301
For your next trick, complain that SNES controllers don't even work on N64.

>Because getting component over SNES is as cheap as it gets and requires no modding or expensive cables/upconverters
Do tell.

[Anonymous No.2059312]

>>2059298
>>2059292
The wire is thin as shit. You two are worse than the retron shitters,

[Anonymous No.2059314]

>>2059039
>Have you seen this?
Yes. Someone was shilling it a few days ago.

>if it came true
It came true long ago. Plenty of people have made cables like this. These guys are taking some schematics they found online, adding $1 in parts to a cable, and marketing it to fools who think it will let them play their Earthbound repro cart in HD.
It's actually a brilliant plan provided some Chinese factory doesn't start selling the same thing for half the price before they ship their first one. But hopefully after the backers money is gone. Would suck if they were able to just cancel their pledges and miss learning a valuable life lesson.

[Anonymous No.2059316]

>>2059314
>hese guys are taking some schematics they found online, adding $1 in parts to a cable, and marketing it to fools who think it will let them play their Earthbound repro cart in HD.
Sooooo much projection

Not everyone is handy or willing to make their own cables. Expecting otherwise is just snide. We wouldn't have commercial cables if that was viable.

[Anonymous No.2059320]

>>2059298

RGB SCART and YUV aren't even on the same page in terms of image output. You're talking about converting signal standards and that requires hardware that wont fit in some small cable.

This is for people who have HDTVs that no longer have Composite inputs.

[Anonymous No.2059323]

>>2059316
If you can't manage a simple rgb cable to a scaler you probably shouldn't be touching video games.
Stick to newer games and emulation I guess.

[Anonymous No.2059324]

>>2059323
>If you can't or don't want to create your own hardware you aren't allowed to play my video games
Thanks once again for confirming my elitism prognosis.

[Anonymous No.2059326]

Fantastic. Retron 5 threads and now this monstrosity.

I can't wait for the retro craze to die out amongst hipster faggot 2000s kids so this crap can end.

[Anonymous No.2059327]

>>2059326
>>2059278

[Anonymous No.2059334]

>>2059327

>>2059320
>>2059297

Why don't you try countering the arguments about hardware specs? Oh right, because you don't know jack shit about console modding, or NTSC/RGB/PAL signal specifications.

Get the fuck out, shill.

[Anonymous No.2059335]

>>2059324
I didn't say make your own wire. Please just leave retro games to people competent enough to plug in wires.

[Anonymous No.2059336]

>>2059306
http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super-nintendo-ntsc-rgb-av-scart-cable-av-lead-cord-for-sale.html

Now 16$

http://www.amazon.de/St%C3%BCck-Adapter-Scart-YUV-RGB/dp/B00D445662

Now 60$

Yeah, I thought the transcoder thing may be cheaper, but it works for every RGB SCART input you feed in. So this means less than 100$ to make every console to date support component (minus those who don't support RGB natively). There ain't much of a difference here.

[Anonymous No.2059341]

>>2059335
>>2059336
The only converters I've seen cost more than the component cable itself, which goes against the whole "overpriced" argument.

>Please just leave retro games to people competent enough to plug in wires.
If only that was truly the matter here. Oh well, enjoy your nosebleed.

[Anonymous No.2059345]

>>2059326
>I can't wait for the retro craze to die out amongst hipster faggot 2000s kids

I'll tell you who sounds a little hipster

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059349]

>>2059341
These cables are a neat idea if you only intend or wish to have component out for 1 system. Once you hit 2 or more, the price of a standalone transcoder and normal RGB cables is equal in price or less.

[Anonymous No.2059350]

>>2059345

Oh? I'm sorry, did I hurt your precious Retron 5-owning feelings?

[Anonymous No.2059351]

>>2059341
My point is that once you bought the converter you got component from anything, as opposed to this kickstater where every cable is a grand 35$. We're not talking astronomical differences in cost so you may just as well drop the tough guy act. This is nothing new and much less elitist by any means.

[Anonymous No.2059357]

>>2059351

You're not going to get Component from that cable, nigger. It's not possible. Will it be a cleaned up Composite signal with less noise? Sure. Will it be Component? Fuck no.

[Anonymous No.2059359]

>>2059351
That's sweet if you want component for every system ever, but if you all want/have is SNES or Genesis, this is a good option. If you're fine with that, great. Lots of people here are gathering up pitchforks because the cable is an affront to their apparent religion.

[Anonymous No.2059364]

>>2059359

>doesn't know anything about console hardware
>gets told why this cable isn't going to do what it advertises

>"Oh my god these nerds with their pitchforks and religion!"

You're no better than the Retro 5 shills.

[Anonymous No.2059365]

>>2059357
>here's what we've created, complete with image and video demonstration
-a team of guys with technical know-how

>no they can't
-an anon on 4chan

well I'm sold

[Anonymous No.2059369]

$70 for both cables is less than SCART cables for both plus a breakout plus a SCART-to-YUV transcoder, but I'm guessing they don't have adjustable pots to tweak them like the transcoder does and what about muh TG-16 etc?

Yeah if they get down under $20 each though they'll sell a mess of them - and I bet they get them down that low if they don't just cut with the kickstarter profits.

[Anonymous No.2059371]

>>2059364
When people start sneering "you don't deserve video games," it's a valid criticism. But okay, I'm the one with the problem.

[Anonymous No.2059375]

>>2059371
deserve=/=having zero electronic repair skills or will to repair

[Anonymous No.2059378]

>>2059365

Go mod some fucking consoles and then come back to me.

[Anonymous No.2059381]

>>2059371

You're just avoiding the argument all together now because you know you can't win now that the anons with technical skill and know-how have showed up.

Your argument now is 'Oh my god this guy was so mean to me! That makes my shitty cable worth it!'

[Anonymous No.2059384]

>>2059357
Nah, those screens they shown are definitely converted from an RGB source. You don't "clean" composite. As >>2059151 said, they might have included the transcoding equipment inside those little boxes you see in the cables. Don't ask me what kind of engineering or black magic went into miniaturizing the essential parts, but maybe they took advantage of the fact the cable only took its source from a definite piece of electronics so they went barebones on the conversion part, I don't know. I only know from the comparisons they posted, the latter isn't definitely cleaned up S-Video. Not to mention Genesis doesn't even support S-Video.

[Anonymous No.2059391]

>>2059375
I agree. That's why I disagree with people suggesting that if you can't or won't do that shit, you shouldn't play video games.

>>2059381
No, hon, you see the argument /shifted./ That happens sometimes. I guess you're just used to screaming "NUH UH" in response to "UH HUH" on an endless loop.

People are categorically rejecting a cable that doesn't even exist yet AND determining the "gamer cred" of anyone who so much as considers it an option. That's bullshit, and that's what I'm calling out.

[Anonymous No.2059397]

>>2059391
Stick to new video games.

[Anonymous No.2059402]

>>2059397
I think I'll enjoy both retro and new. Stay mad.

[Anonymous No.2059405]

>>2059384

You're telling me they converted RGB to YUV with... what?

[Anonymous No.2059406]

>>2059402
Doesn't matter to me.

[Anonymous No.2059408]

>>2059391

No, people are saying why this cable is a scam. You just can't handle it and have made the argument about 'elitism' because you're a gigantic faggot

[Anonymous No.2059409]

>>2059406
Is that why you felt the need to tell what to stick to? Keep simmerin'.

[Anonymous No.2059413]

>>2059408
And some of those people have been BTFO. I for one would wait until the cable's been released before passing judgment, but then, I'm rational.

[Anonymous No.2059414]

>>2059409
Sell me your shit when it's broke.

[Anonymous No.2059419]

>>2059414
They've been going strong since their year of issue, not even yellowing. We'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.2059428]

>>2059413

By what? Feels? Your argument is based on feels and a lack of technical know-how.

All it's going to take is one enterprising individual from /vr/ to buy one, split it open and see what the internals are to figure out what they've done and it'll be all over for them.

[Anonymous No.2059429]

>>2059419
And when it breaks and it's a simple cleaning or cap replacement I'll be glad to buy it.

[Anonymous No.2059430]

>>2059405
For all you know there might be really barebones transcoding equipment hiding inside the cables. Yes, I know it's a very stupid assumption but I can really talk in their favor, since the cable isn't out yet. But judging from the screens they posted this does indeed process RGBs into Component. Do they use csync on green and just get the Red and Blue channels raw from the consoles? It's not me you gotta ask.

Thing is for sure, if the actual cables won't look as good as those comparison screens this would be another multi thousand dollar scam.

[Anonymous No.2059436]

>>2059430
*I can't really talk in their favor

[Anonymous No.2059437]

>>2059429
I'll never sell my babies, but go ahead and keep pretending I fit your little archetype.

>>2059428
I await that day. Have fun wringing your hands in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.2059439]

>>2059437
Most of my snes have been bought from people who thought they were broken.

[Anonymous No.2059440]

>>2059430
>For all you know there might be really barebones transcoding equipment hiding inside the cables

It pains me to see how many people have been screaming without even so much as glancing at the page.

[Anonymous No.2059443]

>>2059430

I'm betting on scam. If it were this simple, someone would have done this already. These guys don't really seem like rocket scientists to me, and scores of people have been modding consoles for this sort of thing for ages now.

[Anonymous No.2059446]

>>2059439
And? I'm not them. I'm really proud of you, though.

[Anonymous No.2059451]

>>2059203
>with the slight drawback of glitching in a few games.

What games?

[Anonymous No.2059452]

>>2059446
You are the exact person I hope for though.

[Anonymous No.2059456]

>>2059440
So is that the thing they use to turn RGB into YUV? Why the hell is it mounted over a fucking keychain? Do you have to solder it onto the cable or something or you're telling me it's already there? Then this might make sense.

[Anonymous No.2059459]

>>2059456

Probably one of their first prototypes made into a key chain similar to how businesses will frame their first dollar in sales.

[Anonymous No.2059461]

>>2059408
People who whine scam about things on kickstarter are usually fucking retards who think whatever the person is kickstarting is stupid. Doesn't make it a scam.

[Anonymous No.2059465]

>>2059461

No, there are legit reasons why people were calling scam in here. It's not my fault you don't know anything about console modding and took it personally like you're one of the guys working on this project.

... or are you?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059464]

>>2059451
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=46303

[Anonymous No.2059467]

>>2059452
I'm touched that you believe I'm whatever it is you think I am.

[Anonymous No.2059469]

>>2059456
>STILL not actually looking at the page
It's like you WANT to be ignorant so you can continue to presume and be upset as a result

[Anonymous No.2059470]

>>2059464
>http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=46303

Jesus Christ. For all the talk of the Mini being the 'best' at video output, this thread really puts that idea to shame.

[Anonymous No.2059473]

>>2059465
Not him, but since you seem to know your stuff, could such thing as >>2059440 transcode RGB into YUV provided it's already set up for a specific signal? It can be placed inside the little box after the pins so it could actually do some on the fly converting.

[Anonymous No.2059478]

>>2059470
>>2059464
The majority of that is outright bullshit or really overblown though.

[Anonymous No.2059479]

>>2059470
>>2059464
I haven't had any of these issues with my Mini except maybe the over drive in white.

As for the glitches, I'd have to try it for my self. Too bad I don't have all the games on that list to try

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059484]

>>2059470
>>2059478
>>2059479
Thankfully, it's very few games that have problems like that.

And the "shadow ghosting" issue is quite over blown. I can see it ever so slightly if I'm close enough and focusing on my PVM's screen (such as when taking photos) but otherwise you won't see it.

I don't have any of the problematic games (aside from Starfox) so I can't test them first hand, but I have seen video of the SGnG glitching.

I still think the sharper picture is worth the one or two problems, and I have 2 non-1chip models I can use for the few games it doesn't agree with.

[Anonymous No.2059487]

>>2059470
>>2059464
>I was able to get rid of 70% of the ghosting on both a 1CHIP-03 and a SNS-Mini that I tested on my Pioneer Plasma
>Plasma
>Ghosting

Well, there's the fucking problem

[Anonymous No.2059489]

>>2059470
>http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=46303

Wow, now I feel pretty proud to have a mo....

>the output of the 1CHIP-Mini has a flaw that results in "shadow ghosting". This means that you'll see faint shadows/noise that extends to the right of objects on screen against bright blue, or bright green, or white or gray backgrounds.

Wait a second, wasn't this supposed to be a thing the 1-chip had fixed? In fact then they state:

>Why do the pre-1CHIP consoles have a softer picture? Well its due to Color Bleed. You might be thinking "What, even via RGB"? Well the answer is, yes. Many have noticed how the colors of pixels bleed to the right, and this is what's making the picture look softer (some call it ghosting, but its not the same thing. Ghosting is "signal reflections" and is not innate to the PPU)

So which one is it?

[Anonymous No.2059494]

>>2059489
Like I said before. The majority of that is outright bullshit or really overblown though.

[Anonymous No.2059502]

>>2059484
>And the "shadow ghosting" issue is quite over blown.

When you're used to better RGB coming from pretty much anything, allow me to be disappointed, if only a little. I always thought the ghosting depended on the csync crosstalking with RGB but as it turns out it may be an inborn problem with the DAC, which is not really addressable. For me it's really noticeable, and composite looks way less blurred apart.

[Anonymous No.2059517]

>>2059316
>I'm one of those kids who use projection as a catch all insult
Whatever. I don't expect better on 4chan, not even on /vr/

>Marketing a product to people who don't understand what it does has something to do with them making their own cables
This product is nothing new. Many people have connected the RGB output from their consoles to their component TV. Many people have done this without making their own cables. That just costs a more than making a cable. The only thing new is the way it's marketed. To fools who don't understand what it is.

And none of this matters because if this shows the slightest chance of being a success someone in China will undercut you and beat you to market.

[Anonymous No.2059527]

>>2059469

Do they pay you in hotpockets or do you do this for free?

[Anonymous No.2059536]

>>2059527
>I refuse to review the page for the product I'm bitching about! And YOU'RE the one with the problem! I will express this sentiment by way of a quip I heard on 4chan that doesn't really fit the situation

[Anonymous No.2059539]

>>2059484

Upon further reading, most of those glitches seem like stuff that would usually be hidden from view because of overscan.

And I've never seen any shadow ghosting on my Mini with my CRT. Some color bleeding but only with reds and that's normal anyway.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2059540]

>>2059502
It should be noted that my first hand experience with the ghosting is using composite video for sync rather than clean composite sync, so what I'm seeing COULD still be an interference issue.
The outside information does make it seem otherwise however.

[Anonymous No.2059542]

>>2059536

I hope you're a woman, because a man should never call another man 'Hon.'

[Anonymous No.2059556]

>>2059542
That's all you got left? Not even that guy.

[Anonymous No.2059564]

>>2059556

Yeah, that's all I've got left for your buttbuddy that argues purely in 'feels'

>Omg u guise are just elitists! You don't want anybody getting into your sekrit retro klub!

Fuck the both of you.

[Anonymous No.2059569]

>>2059564

[Anonymous No.2059574]

>put video transcoder chip in some cables

>use it as an excuse to sell t shirts and keychains

truly a wonderous time to be alive!
too bad my panel hates 240p componenent

[Anonymous No.2059583]

>>2059564
>>2059556
kek roasted

[Anonymous No.2059589]

>>2059583

gb2/s4s/

[Anonymous No.2059592]

>>2059574

It'll likely be Composite color resolution without the signal noise.

Whoopty-freaken-doo.

[Anonymous No.2059597]

>>2059592
I hate to go over this again, but haven't we already presumed they're using >>2059440 to transcode RGB into YUV?

[Anonymous No.2059609]

>>2059129

You can use any kind of 3rd party Nintendo multi AV-out cable with S-Video support on your SNES and it works as long as your SNES supports S-Video, or is modded to support it in the case of the Mini.

In all honesty, unless you're running your consoles on a PVM, or an HDTV going further than S-video for SNES, or Genesis is reaching diminishing returns levels of picture quality for money put into it. On a consumer CRT, S-Video is pretty good for the money invested. Of course though, RGB on a PVM/BVM will blow S-Video on a consumer CRT, or RGB-to-YUV on either a CRT, HDTV out of the water in terms of image quality on these old consoles.

If the console handles Component video natively, then it's a completely different story, but this is barebones inline converters on a chip, and your mileage may vary. Some people say converting RGB to YUV is worth it, some don't agree.

These cables seem like a really niche product. Entry-Level 'Retro Gamer' 'gear'.

[Anonymous No.2059614]

>>2059597

Barebones equipment is barebones. I've seen the comparison shots in that video and I've seen what standalone converters are capable of. I've also seen what S-video vs Composite is capable of on my SNES-mini and the jump in image sharpness, and color quality was far more drastic than their side-by-side comparisons for their Composite-vs-Their Cable image.

240p signal with a clean, noise-free image through Component is what this is offering. If it gets people playing SNES or Genesis on an HDTV without it looking like smeared shit, then I'm sure they'll find a market. But I'm pretty sure that most people interested in this kind of thing are going with something a bit more substantial. This seems to cater to a less technically-inclined crowd who don't have a CRT for their retro games.

[Anonymous No.2059616]

>>2059609
I hate how people don't acknowledge consumer CRTs with RGB support were a thing, even if I don't really blame them. America just didn't want to go Europe/Japan route and waited until they got component thought out, even if they missed a whole 3 generations using subpar signals.

[Anonymous No.2059619]

>>2059574
>my panel hates 240p componenent
Not just you. I bet a lot of backers are going to be mighty butthurt when they discover that not only doesn't it give them HD but it doesn't even work with their TV.

>>2059597
I'm pretty sure we'll have to go over it a few more times before everyone gets it. Apparently the idea of fitting a chip with a few transistors into something the size of a usb stick is some how hard for certain people to believe.

[Anonymous No.2059629]

>>2059616

Dude. Yeah. They're a thing, but not in America. Component doesn't exist in Yuropoorland, and that's what this thread is about. Euros can just use SCART and laugh at us silly Americans having to bother with this crap.

It's a real pain the ass that the US never had one unified signal carrier cable, but hey. It's the US. You'd be shocked at how TVs were marketed here. There were still budget color TVs being made well into the late 1990s with only an RF input. Consumerism at it's best. You'll get your color TV even if you can't afford a set that doesn't blow ass through a tube.

[Anonymous No.2059630]

>>2059614
"I've seen the comparison shots in that video and I've seen what standalone converters are capable of."

>he thinks he can make a reasonable assessment based on a Youtube video


>240p signal with a clean, noise-free image through Component is what this is offering.... But I'm pretty sure that most people interested in this kind of thing are going with something a bit more substantial.

What more is there?

[Anonymous No.2059635]

>>2059619

Yeah man it's some magical device that does what other devices already suck at doing. Big fucking deal. Everyone gets it by now. It's not going to look very fucking good because it's a transcoder and signal information will be lost, a lot of that in color.

Look at the side-by-side comparisons. It looks like Composite without the noise and smeared shit-like blur.

[Anonymous No.2059636]

>>2059630

>he thinks he can make a reasonable assessment based on a Youtube video

Oh, okay then. It's shit until I can see otherwise and I'm not paying $40 bucks for a cable that does nothing many other solutions can already do for me that are proven, and time-tested.

I guess you just lost a sale, faggot. GG no RE.

[Anonymous No.2059640]

>>2059636
>I'm not paying $40 bucks for a cable that does nothing many other solutions can already do for me that are proven, and time-tested.
No arguments here

> until I can see otherwise
You're sooo close to catching on.

[Anonymous No.2059642]

>>2059640

Do you work for these people or something? Get a job, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2059647]

>>2059614
To their defense they were probably using an earlier SNES which the ghosting issue we talked above so that's why you found your comparisons to be drastic.

>240p signal with a clean

I assume you meant to say 240p composite signal, and believe me you're not making sense. Composite doesn't look smeary because of external noise or not clean. It looks that way because it was encoded to look like that. You're trying to make one 15kHz signal have the same impact of other four separate signals which do their own thing with their given bandwidth. You're basically degrading those signals into two separate components that you're also going to cram into one. The keyword here is degrading. There is not cleaning or taking the noise away of something that has already been degraded. Their screens are really unlikely to come from composite/s-video, end of the question.

>Component doesn't exist in Yuropoorland

It does, actually. There's even scart plugs supporting component over some pins. You had the chance to use both RGBs and Component with the latter supporting 31kHz signals.

[Anonymous No.2059648]

>>2059642
>You're not part of the mob, you HAVE to be on the other side!

I'm not going to throw in one way or the other til the product's out and the testimonies are in. How this translates to "you must work for them get a job," I don't know... but then, you accused me of working for them and telling me to GET a job in the same post, so I'd wager you don't know, either.

[Anonymous No.2059652]

>>2059647

Jesus Christ nigger calm your autism. I know why Composite looks like shit.

Why you keep thinking I'm talking about 'cleaning' a Composite signal is beyond me, though.

[Anonymous No.2059653]

I would say get a MOD for the Nintendo systems that need RGB for the NES try to get the 3D printed SNES style AV connector. This seems to have the right idea but people arguing left and right about it not being top notch, if you want them get them if not then get scart and either get a component converter to play on CRT or HD TV that support YPRPB or get a BNC adapter to get them to play on your Monitors. For those who aren't autistic enough to care about muh resolutions and just want a clean image to play vr with.
tl;dr to whatever the fuck you want it's your money

[Anonymous No.2059654]

>>2059647
>Component doesn't exist in Yuropoorland
meant to quote >>2059629

[Anonymous No.2059658]

>>2059654

Yeah, I know it's there, but it's not exactly widespread. It was never that big here in the US, so I doubt it's much more widespread in the EU than here.

[Anonymous No.2059672]

>>2059652
Sorry, but you do talk about taking the noise out of composite which some people here defined as cleaning. Not the brightest way to backpedal.

[Anonymous No.2059674]

>>2059672

Yeah. It looks like Composite without blur and dot-crawl. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.2059680]

>>2059674
My point is that it's not technically possible to have composite without blur and dot-crawl and that they're definitely taking the input signal from RGB instead.

[Anonymous No.2059681]

>>2059680

Color-wise it looks a hell of a lot like Composite.

[Anonymous No.2059686]

>>2059681
Because that's are the colors the SNES uses. The blurring you see at the right edges are caused by the low fidelity DAC in earlier SNES models, as discussed above.

[Anonymous No.2059689]

>>2059681
Because those are the colors the SNES uses. The blurring you see at the right edges are caused by the low fidelity DAC in earlier SNES models, as discussed above.

[Anonymous No.2059693]

>>2059689

I've seen improvements in color going from Composite -> S-Video -> RGB

[Anonymous No.2059695]

>>2059693
Yeah, you're not even trying anymore. It was fun for a while.

[Anonymous No.2059696]

>>2059695

Oh no you got me I was actually trolling all this time!

Bye, faggot. Have a nice night.

[Anonymous No.2059709]

>>2059635
Wow. You really don't know the first thing about these signal types do you. Nothings lost converting RGB to component. Maybe it won't look as good as you want it to because you're one of those fools expecting some magic box that converts your video into HD. But it will look the same as RGB.

[Anonymous No.2059717]

>>2059709

>you're one of those fools expecting some magic box that converts your video into HD.

Implying implications belongs on /v/.

>But it will look the same as RGB.

If you say so. I hear the mileage varies on this transcoders.

[Anonymous No.2059724]

>>2059658
Everything I own has component going back to the late 90's. I've heard of poorfag TV's that only have composite but never got a close look at one because of fleas.

[Anonymous No.2059728]

>>2059724
If fleas are obscuring your vision that badly you need to get yourself to a free clinic. or just take a bath.

[Anonymous No.2059824]

>>2059728
>get yourself to a free clinic
There's no such thing as a flea clinic your fucking chink.

[Anonymous No.2060026]

>>2059129
>A Sega Genesis can output better picture quality than there exist cables to display it. You currently need to mod it or get expensive converters to see the difference.

I never heard that before.

[Anonymous No.2060042]

>>2059203
>>2059223
>>2059451
>>2059464
>>2059470
>>2059489
>>2059494

Jesus guys, which SNES do I get?

[Anonymous No.2060297]

So.. will these cables give a better picture than RGB Scart?

[Anonymous No.2060313]

>>2060297
They have a rgb->yuv converter inside the cable, so at best they get the same quality as RGB Scart (minus fucking audio noise). At worst, they'll have slight colour loss due to inefficient conversion.

This cable is for murrikans who have zero access to SCART. Yuropoors won't need this, unless they have a TV that supports YUV but not Scart.

[Anonymous No.2060314]

>>2060297

No, it's just RGB converted to YUV. If you have original RGB cables for these consoles and a TV with SCART input, you would be stupid spending money for these cables.

For others, this might be easier solution but still overpriced compared to original RGB cables, those guys are only in for the money and they obviously want to suck the most of it from the retrogaming sheep crowd.

[Anonymous No.2060323]

>>2060314
>For others, this might be easier solution but still overpriced compared to original RGB cables,

Original RGB Cables tend to be overpriced already, and sometimes transmit shitloads of audio noise due to the cable being insufficiently shielded (this is mostly true for third party cables which have fuck all shielding, but also true to some origlinal cables).

I don't know how much they'll want to charge for these cables, but they'll be a lot more convenient then having a huge ass import SCART dongle plus an extra converter box - possibly even cheaper if you only need it for one system.

Again, this is for the NTSC market who have no access to SCART TVs. Europeans will have no need for this.

[Anonymous No.2060327]

>>2059239
If you zoom in the RGB YUV looks crisper.

[Anonymous No.2060334]

I wish they'd instead make custom component cables for gamecube.

[Anonymous No.2060345]

>>2059443
you are a fucking moron.

>>2059440
this

ITT: asshats that didn't even read the kickstarter page and have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.2060348]

>>2060334
Just play your GC games on your Wii FFS

[Anonymous No.2060349]

>>2060345
Whoa, whoa, there.
Calm down HD Retrovision LLC, that's no way to handle customer relations.

[Anonymous No.2060352]

>>2059465
>there are legit reasons why people were calling scam in here
go ahead, i'll bite. let's hear it.

people have been doing this for years. it's not new.

these guys put it in the cable instead of just selling the transcoder for people to mod into their systems.

http://www.tg16pcemods.com/rgb-to-component-converter.html is one example, specialized for tg16, snes or genesis
is this real or is it just one guy trolling himself into oblivion?

[Anonymous No.2060354]

>>2060352
Also it seems they're offering the PCB only at one of the lower Kickstarter levels, possibly a good option for do-it-yourselfers who want to build their own SCART input for their US TVs - assuming the PCB will be populated, which is a bit unclear.

[Anonymous No.2060367]

>>2060354
i saw that, i was wondering if they shipped them without the hole drilled for the keychain.

but i doubt it.

you can find schematics online for best conversion for different systems. here's the tg16 one i posted above

[Anonymous No.2060424]

>>2060323
>due to the cable being insufficiently shielded (this is mostly true for third party cables which have fuck all shielding

Looking at you, retrogamingcables.

How do you shield an unshielded cable anyway?

[Anonymous No.2060474]

>>2060352
Haven't seen that board before but there's no reason to suspect it doesn't work. Converting RGB to component isn't rocket science.

[Anonymous No.2060486]

>>2060424
>How do you shield an unshielded cable anyway?

peel off the plastic, wrap it in aluminium foil (it conducts electricity), make sure the foil touches the GROUND signal (which is usually an unshielded cable anyway, so not too difficult). Then wrap it up in plastic again - heat shrink tubing works.

This will help a bit, but not too much as the foil is not as effective as the wire braid usually used for shielding. Plus the cable will be very easy to damage since you are pulling straight on the inner cables now, not on the durable plastic coating (which you removed). And it will be VERY ugly. And you might have to disassemble one of the plugs for the heat shrink tubing to fit. I did this only once for a short dongle, not for a longer cable.

A proper solution would be to get some kind of cable that has 7 individually shielded wires in it (3 for RGB, 2 for audio, 1 for comp and 1 for voltage - I think that is all that is needed). Then solder those into the connectors on both sides. But then, you are basically building your own proper cable instead of "fixing" an existing one.

[Anonymous No.2060493]

>>2060474
ha wot.
>Converting RGB to component isn't rocket science.
that was my point of the post, silly.
i was 'biting' on the fool's comment that is a scam, as seen here:
>>2059465

like i said before, if it gets down to about 15 bucks, i'm in. even without adjustable pots. saves me the time and parts in doing it myself.

although i do love working with surface mount, the smaller the better.
pic related.

[Anonymous No.2060708]

>>2060349
>the only person who could call me out on not reading the page is the pagemaker himself! I am justified in talking shit without knowing what I'm talking about!

[Anonymous No.2062289]

>>2060314
I backed it because I've bought 3 different SNES RGB SCART cables and they all have very distracting audio buzz to the point that I'd rather use my official composite cable. It probably wouldn't take much effort to strip the audio into phono breakouts but I'd rather have a well made cable that already does it than some heat-shrink tubing and hot glue hack job. Ultimately $35 is worth a punt even if it's not great.

[Anonymous No.2062293]

what's even the point? Just get SCART cables as normal and a YPbPr transcoder.

[Anonymous No.2062294]

>>2059443
>I'm betting on scam. If it were this simple, someone would have done this already.
Nah, it's quite simple. They are effectively putting an off the shelf RGB->YUV convertor into the cable. They are quite up front about the fact that the cable ISN'T doing clever reclocking or line-doubling or anything so if your TV can't accept 240p converted YUV then you're boned.

[Anonymous No.2062295]

>>2062289
>and they all have very distracting audio buzz to the point that I'd rather use my official composite cable

Let me guess, http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/? They can't shield cables for their life. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Lucky for you you're going to buy the Component cable, but just know RGB SCART cables aren't at fault, that fucking site is.

[Anonymous No.2062296]

>>2062295
>Let me guess, http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/? They can't shield cables for their life. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Lucky for you you're going to buy the Component cable, but just know RGB SCART cables aren't at fault, that fucking site is.
Heh, yeah I have one of theirs. Disappointing. If you could point me at a seller of better cables I would get one right now.

[Anonymous No.2062301]

>>2062296
I'm sorry, I also got disappointed from the cable I got, and didn't bother to look elsewhere until I had other money to waste, and, as nether as things look, a properly and professionally shielded cable isn't just going to cost a couple of bucks. If you happen to find a reliable site with good reviews from people not willing to put up with a shoddy work, link it up here and I'll be grateful.

[Anonymous No.2062302]

>>2062293
It's harder than it sounds. Most cheap SCART cables are unshielded and crap and it's a bit of a crapshoot with convertors. Many are actually digital scalers with an analog output and so you'll get latency. Yes, you could get a perfect setup doing what you suggest, but you'd have to do your research and I doubt it will cost you less than $35 to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe this cable will be total crap but I'm willing to take a punt on it.

[Anonymous No.2062414]

>>2062296
It's difficult to get quality SCART cables since most cables, at best, put a generic shielding around the whole "tube". But for SCART, you have multiple signal cables inside, and each one of them needs individual shielding to prevent crosstalk from each other. Optimally something like aluminium or copper or cca (copper coated aluminium) shearing around the wire. Those kind of wires are not common because they are expensive and as such, not sought after.

Scart has almost all signal wires having their own ground pair pin exactly because of this. You aren't meant to have 21 pins each connected to different wires inside the cable, you are supposed to have something like 8 or 9 signal wires each connected to their own shielding pins.

There was a company that sold cables that specifically had 4 to 8 cables inside but each one of them individually braided - they'd make for kickass home-made SCART cables. I wish I remembered where I saw them.

Component cables would be less susceptible to crosstalk for a number of reasons (different format, better signal separation by using multiple cables, potentially easier to have proper shielding, etc). I might buy some of these just in case, once reviews are out, IF they make them for some of the consoles I own.

[Anonymous No.2062456]

>>2059039
Why wouldn't you just play through composite? Those games were meant to be played that way.

[Anonymous No.2062543]

>>2062456
Games aren't made for a specific video signal. These cables just make the highest quality signal the system can provide available to more people. Component is much more common on TV's.

[Anonymous No.2062645]

>>2062543
>Games aren't made for a specific video signal.

Generally true, but some game creators did indeed factor in video artifacts when designing games. Such as dithering to get more colourful graphics, or checkerboard effects to fake transparencies, the rainbows in the waterfalls of Sonic 1, or just hiding small rendering errors that wouldn't be visible on a normal TV set.

Not every game designer did that, but there were ones who did.

[Anonymous No.2062647]

>>2062645
That only happens on Genesis, and it's ultimately a matter of opinion. Both outputs are intended to be used, else they wouldn't have included RGB.

[Anonymous No.2062994]

>>2062289
That might be a reason to buy the cable after it's done and you have confirmation that it has good audio.

[Anonymous No.2063694]

Well, because of this threat I started looking into some Sony PVM monitors on ebay.

I'm pretty sure someone took a imagine for a CRT thread in 4 chan (I remember the picture) and slapped it in their auction pictures.

[Anonymous No.2063701]

>>2063694

thread*

Sorry, forgot the link. Anyone remember this picture?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-20L5-20-IN-RETRO-GAMER-HD-RGB-COMPONENT-COMPOSITE-YC-MONITOR-BVM-/281494653602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418a638aa2

[Kya !kDashing02 No.2063740]

>>2063694
>>2063701
>Anyone remember this picture
Vaguely, though it could have been on neo-geo as well.


AND with a google search, it was both
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?238415-CRT-Fetish-Thread&p=3480824&viewfull=1#post3480824
http://archive.moe/vr/thread/1445280/#1445983

[Anonymous No.2064149]

>>2060323

there are going to charge $35 per cable

quality RGB scart cable can be found for much less:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RGB-Scart-Lead-for-Sega-MegaDrive-2-Games-Console-quality-screened-cable-NEW-/191402277367

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Nintendo-SNES-PAL-RGB-Scart-AV-TV-Cable-Lead-screened-Stereo-Sound-/201210807369


Those component cable ARE overpriced and they obviosuly are trying to build some hype with them.

[Anonymous No.2064150]

>>2062647
>That only happens on Genesis, and it's ultimately a matter of opinion.

Happened on the Saturn and Playstation too actually (Saturn used meshes because it was faster than real transparencies, PSX GPU could dither poly textures).

thing is, unless a developer confirms it, we won't know how intentional was it on consoles. And even then, we'd have 1 developers confirmation, and everyone else may not have considered it important.

[Anonymous No.2064157]

>>2064149
>$35
In their defense, a good RGB SCART cable is at least $20 and an RGB to Component converter is at least $60. If you have to hook up a retro console over Component to get good quality, which is every North American that doesn't have a professional or broadcast CRT monitor, this doesn't seem like that bad of a deal if they are of comparable quality. That said, I have multiple TV's, CRT and LCD, professional and consumer, that I hook up to, so having SCART cables and the converter is a much better option.

[Anonymous No.2064168]

>>2063701
>>2063740
i asked him if it was the actual item in the picture since i've been dying to find one in decent shape.

i'll post his reply, if i get one.

[Anonymous No.2064185]

>>2064168
and his reply:

Yes this monitor is in extremely great condition. Looks to flawless and very clean. Just super heavy. Must be something about this monitor. I now have 10 watchers and been answering questions all night lol....noticed one on ebay listed for 1600.00. Thanks
- fiddlefaddleoddsandends

hmmm what to do now....