/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2057040]

>(including pinball)
Let's have a pinball thread then. What are your favorites? Did you ever get a high score? Do you even have one or more machines at home by any chance? And what's the deal with pinball programs on the PC?

[Anonymous No.2057101]

VP 9.9 is bretty gud

[Anonymous No.2057103]

>>2057040

god tier pinball

[Anonymous No.2057117]

C:\EPICPIN

>tfw I couldn't afford the other boards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS4mTqZY25k

[Anonymous No.2057152]

Still waiting for the remake of Timeshock... I knew they wouldn't make it in time for the original release date (December 2013) but at this point it's looking pretty bad.

The IRL machine being made was pretty exciting news, though. I doubt I'l be ever able to play it without travelling abroad, but as long as the Pro Pinball name will gain more fame it's fine with me.

[Anonymous No.2057184]

I played the shit out of this and >>2057103

Never had a pinball machine close enough to me to really get into the real thing though

[Anonymous No.2057239]

The Walking Dead = Austin Powers

Where's that guy who says John Borg is best ever? Ultimate pleb

[Anonymous No.2057374]

Who /Bally/ here?

Dat Attack from Mars, dat Revenge from Mars, dat Cirqus Voltaire, and Scared Stiff in particular is my favorite table ever. The list just goes on and on with quality stuff.

[Anonymous No.2057382]

>>2057152
I am way into Timeshock, though I'm still pretty bad and can't really get past two or so continents. That said, my Timeshock sessions have tapered off quite a bit since I got Pinball Arcade. High Speed is too hard to resist

[Anonymous No.2057385]

Reminder

You think [Williams] had a plan to do a magic game before [Pinball Magic]? And who did Theatre of Magic? John Popadiuk...the guy doesn't even feel about pinball...he will do anything, he is a chameleon, a lizard...and Python knows it because Python is the king of snakes...I eat Popadiuks for breakfast.

[Anonymous No.2057386]

Played a lot of this at a campground back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXVcrYTZmyU

[Anonymous No.2057387]

so what's the best pinball "simulator" for the pc? is it worth setting up visual pinball or future pinball and dealing with potentially inaccurate amateur recreations, or should i just get pinball arcade and have authentically recreated tables but in return less choice?

[Anonymous No.2057395]

Is it just me or does VP feel kind of wonky? I got a couple of tables to test out, but was mostly aiming for F-14 Tomcat. If I'm not mistaken, it's an FP table because the first time I loaded it up, it was displaying horizontally instead of vertically. I had to go into the table properties and rotate it 90 degrees then slant and slew it so it would display properly. I don't feel like this is the proper VP experience. Having to manually resize and place the separated DMD window is a pain and I hate having to load up the editor before I can run a particular table. I'm talking mostly out of my ass here, seeing as how I haven't had a taste of more than a few particular tables, but that's why I'm looking for someone to correct me.

In short, I ask the thread this: what's your favorite VP table?

[Anonymous No.2057403]

>>2057374
From the era you list, there's not much of a difference when someone says Bally / Williams / Midway, it was all the same company.

You should try other machines from the same software and playfield designers. Attack from Mars is one of those Brian Eddy playfields (he still works for Williams making baller gambling machines/games) and he was good with software too like when he did Shadow PF+software. But the dev and him also made Medieval Madness together and Lyman's name rings out. Then you've got Lyman doing the rules on Gomez's Monster Bash and you start to see that same Bally/Williams quality.

Lyman programmed Tommy back at Data East before coming over. I think it's pretty much agreed that Stern = Data East > Sega even though they're all the same manufacturing concern. It's always been about Bill of Materials for Gary and Joe Kamincow.

No Steve Ritchie games? He's still doing playfields with Lyman Sheats backup on the software, cranking out big hits like AC/DC and Star Trek.

Something like Scared Stiff you'd have to rely on the playfield designer, the software there is by Ed Boon's brother but also the same guy who did Circus Voltaire's rules/software, Cameron Silver. So there's another link to trace down. Dennis Nordman is most famous for White Water, universally agreed to be a top machine from Williams.

[Anonymous No.2057410]

>>2057395
It's all about how well the table is designed. If you want to play with sideways monitor you download a table designed for that, hopefully a recent optimized one with custom ball physics. Like check out the Terminator 2 table that's the most popular ever, that's some serious pinball simulation.

jpsalas makes good horizontal and vertical tables, he's done the work for you. His physics are tight. He made an F-14 table that's good horizontal, but the angle is pretty shallow. His are designed to have the view height and angle adjusted, but not to flip horizontal/vertical. Download the vertical version instead for that.

[Anonymous No.2057418]

>>2057403
Speaking of White Water, that's one popular table I just can't get down with. The layering makes it feel so damn crammed, and something about the sound is annoying me really quickly.

[Anonymous No.2057439]

>>2057410
I don't know where you're getting your tables from, but on the site I use (vpforums) there's only one version and if that doesn't work, then you've gotta fix it yourself. To mixed results, I find.

[Anonymous No.2057441]

>>2057418
Play Wheel of Fortune then

[Anonymous No.2057445]

>>2057439
Not only are you a whiny asshole, you're fucking wrong. I hate those two things. Look three vertical F-14 tables, I'm going to play the best one right now while furiously masturbating to your whinging.


F-14 Tomcat (Williams)(1987)(JPSalas, Rosve... 2.1
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F-14 Tomcat (Williams)(1987)(JPSalas, Rosve... 2.1
in VP 9.x MOD Cabinet Tables (FULL SCREEN)
By chinzman93 F-14, Alpha Flasher, Mod

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[Anonymous No.2057446]

>>2057445
Woops that didn't work, I wouldn't want to be wrong on the internet. There are actually 6 vertical versions of F-14, all the good ones are modified from jpsalas. I don't know where you're getting your tables from Jesus fuck I heard /vr/ is fags?

[Anonymous No.2057447]

>tfw Revenge from Mars will never be digitalized in Pinball Arcade
>tfw the PC version will never get the PS4 lighting which wouldn't even be a big fucking deal to port, but like most developers Farsight would rather add moar tables than improve the substance of the game

[Anonymous No.2057449]

>>2057385
That looks sick as all hell. "Mystery Wheel"? I mean hell fucking yes.

Also Theatre of Magic is pretty much the best table ever.

[Anonymous No.2057452]

>>2057449
They only made Theatre of Magic because Capcom pinball had stolen Python from them and Joe Kamincow was dumpster diving over at Williams. Williams joined in the industrial espionage and found out about Pinball Magic and had to shut down this new upstart pinball company.

That game you see there, Pinball Circus, would have been 100000x the game that Theatre of Magic and Voltaire were. Pinball Magic would have been 10x the game that Theatre of Magic was because of Bryan Hanson, expert magician and pinball designer. Why not so good? Because Capcom had Williams' dick in its ass. Don't fluff Williams in the afterlife and penetrate Capcom further, they would have been awesome. Python will live forever.

[Anonymous No.2057457]

>Downloading file: F-14 Tomcat VP9.2 MOD 1.0

Nothing like a fine horizontal table to go with my new vertical one.

[Anonymous No.2057465]

>>2057446
keep roiding bro

[Anonymous No.2057480]

>>2057465
Keep whinging rather than downloading the double-digit number of F-14 tables on that site.

[Anonymous No.2057495]

>>2057480
For once, I'm gonna take anon's advice and do just that. Try not to be too upset at internet strangers who don't know how to use their indoor voices.

[Anonymous No.2057562]

>>2057495
Sounds good, Jagov

[Anonymous No.2057793]

>>2057495
Are you saying you're not going to download F-14 now? You realize that by Python's rubric, it is the best game ever made right?

1) Is Steve Ritchie game
2) Is Eugene Jarvis game
3) Therefore it is best PF designer, best programmer game
4) The multiball music is Steve Ritchie music, as good as High Speed and Black Knight 2K

[Anonymous No.2057805]

"Steve Ritchie would still be great like me if he sipped a little red wine and had oral sex from a beautiful woman"

—Python Anghelo, 2007, right before Spiderman

[Anonymous No.2057808]

Here's a story about /vr/ and pinball and the internet:

Been posting in pinball threads on /vr/ since its inception. People talking about nudging one time, bring up Josh Sharpe and his aggressive and skillful use of such. Point out that essentially everything in the machine that the ball can touch, or with rubber, can become a flipper through proper nudging. Point /vr/ to Josh Sharpe's play on Congo during the world champs, and his lifting and full 90 degree hurl of the machine with no penalty due to knowing the way its specific tilt software functions.

Skip ahead 1 year. Watching PAPA's live weekly broadcast. Female commentator claims that "Josh Sharpe's move on Congo has become something of an internet phenomenon in some corners of the internet" and claims that Josh Sharpe is going around saying anything in the machine can be a flipper with proper nudging.

>mfw I have no face

[Anonymous No.2057816]

Reminder that Josh Sharpe's father designed Addams Family and Pat Lawlor stole it. Reminder that not a dime of Farsight Studios' $100,001 kickstarter to pay for the rights won't go to Roger, Josh, or Zach.

[Anonymous No.2057853]

>>2057040
>What are your favorites?
Medieval Madness, AC/DC, Swords of Fury. The Walking Dead is starting to grow on me with the new code update.

>Did you ever get a high score?
I'm not that good.

>Do you even have one or more machines at home by any chance?
Yes I do. See pic.

>And what's the deal with pinball programs on the PC?
I think some guys who really love the hobby wanted to make it more accessible to people. I'm glad they did it and that those Kickstarters keep being successful.

[Anonymous No.2057976]

>>2057853
I should download me some Austin Powers so I can get used to the Walking Dead playfield.

[Anonymous No.2058083]

>>2057808
>Point /vr/ to Josh Sharpe's play on Congo during the world champs, and his lifting and full 90 degree hurl of the machine with no penalty due to knowing the way its specific tilt software functions.
Do it again, Sam.

[Anonymous No.2058108]

>>2057853
That look like an awesome table, mate.

[Anonymous No.2058161]

>>2057387
TPA is scripted bullshit and way too easy.

[Anonymous No.2058196]

Arcade near me had an Orbitor 1 that I loved, but they closed a few years back. Another arcade picked up some of their games, but only the old video games. I haven't seen Orbitor 1 or any of their pins anywhere local. I might never see one again, so I'm still happy I got the chance to play it.

[Anonymous No.2059547]

>>2058196
That looks like a weird era for Stern, their late 70s / early 80s tables used to have a tons of complexity and crazy scoring mechanisms and gimmicks, hard to understand. Was there much to Orbitor 1?

[Anonymous No.2059554]

>>2058196
>>2059547
>This game has a novel "minimum play time" feature which cannot be disabled by the operator. Game play is standardized at 3 or 5 balls, however, if the player has not had the specified minimum amount of play after his 3 or 5 balls, the game will continue to provide free balls until the minimum time is reached.

This worries me

[Anonymous No.2059593]

>>2059547
Orbitor's big gimmick was that it's an uneven table. It's a curved plexiglass, and those little round "bumpers" in the middle are actually rapidly spinning wheels. The balls don't travel straight but instead tend to move in curved arcs.

It is both sparse and dimly lit (which actually makes for great atmosphere since its motif is a lunar or other kind of barren planetoid landscape) which made me walk past it a bunch of time, but once I actually tried it I was really intrigued by it. It's probably not a table for everyone, but its unconventional nature (and the fact that I had only ever seen one of them in my life) really endeared it to me.

[Anonymous No.2059751]

>>2057976
They are somewhat similar but I recommend going and playing the real thing if you can find it. A lot of guys are putting it on route at various bars.

>>2058108
Thanks! The game is really hard but I have fun playing it.

[Anonymous No.2059906]

Picked up a Bally Judge Dredd not too long ago. Shit's tough as nails; I can barely crack 150 million, but it is wickedly fun.

And yes, the topper is totally worth it.

[Anonymous No.2059949]

>>2059906
I just played a beta wip on VP and it kept giving me extra ball

[Anonymous No.2059969]

>>2059949
Is someone doing a new version of Judge Dredd for VP? I remember playing a desktop version of Bmiki's table before I got the real thing, and there were so many problems that I can't begin to enumerate them.

[Anonymous No.2059974]

>>2059969
Judge Dredd FS MOD DX9 BETA BETA2

This BETA release of Judge Dredd is based on Lord Hiryus unfinished version of the table. A lot of components have also been taken from bmiki75's version. So this is a combination of those 2 versions with a lot more added on top. Anyway the main thanks should go to these 2 guys for the original builds and letting me release this MOD.

I'm calling t this still BETA for now as I don't have time to test / work on it for few coming weeks. And since I thought that a lot of you might want to try this over the weekend.... so here it is :)

New features:
New flasher effects
New flasher based 8-step GI (with adjustable PF luminosity)
New lighting
Lot of graphical tweaks (alpha ramps, textures etc.)
BMPR lite physics and overall physics adjustments
Flipper tap code
Lot of sounds added
New captive ball scripting
etc. etc.

Big thanks to JP for his awesome new flashers scripts. Really really nice stuff!\

[Anonymous No.2059991]

>>2059974
Thanks, anon. I'll have to see how that compares to the table.

[Anonymous No.2060003]

>>2059991
Let me know if you can get the sound working, not sure what's broken due to beta status and what's supposed to be happening. Lots of lights.

Can you catch the ball with the mini-flipper at the top right and shoot it into that hole above it? Seems easy with this VP table.

[Anonymous No.2060006]

>>2059991
Also the BMPR physics may be "lite" but I've found that training on VP tables with BMPR allows me to match my results on the real table. Plays way more like real pinball, balls everywhere.

[Anonymous No.2061596]

Judge Dredd is the best, sound works. WARNING for SMOKING...EIGHTY FIVE YEARS for TERRORISM...LIFE for VANDALISM

[Anonymous No.2062169]

Looking to get a present for someone who has really got in to pinball lately. He's been buying them and restoring them. Could anyone recommend any good books on the subject or even just something that collectors will find useful?

[Anonymous No.2062409]

>>2057040
Only hands-on experience I've had with pinball was Addams Family, Data East Star Wars, and both Indiana Jones tables.

Scripted bullshit it may be, TPA introduced me to several others that I enjoy quite much, though the tops are Black Knight 2000, Black Rose, Cactus Canyon, and Theater of Magic (for some reason, I like that echoing knock that plays when you get a letter in THEATER). But out of all the ones I've played, I hold Cirqus Voltaire as the most uniquely designed board I've ever played.

Also used to play the shit out of >>2057117 . Had that one, plus Enigma, Deep Sea, and Crash And Burn.

[Anonymous No.2062432]

while we're on the topic of tpa i'm gonna throw out there that haunted house is a really enjoyable table

[Anonymous No.2062475]

I played the hell out of Doctor Dude.

[Anonymous No.2062487]

Is there anybody here who played the creature from the black lagoon table? If so, did you like it?

[Anonymous No.2062534]

>>2062487
It's fun. The shots are nice and it's got some pretty entertaining features.

[Anonymous No.2062618]

>>2062169
Super-Rubbers?

[Anonymous No.2062621]

>>2062409
You think they had a plan to do a magic game before? And who did Theatre of Magic? John Popadiuk...the guy doesn't even feel about pinball...he will do anything, he is a chameleon, a lizard...and Python knows it because Python is the king of snakes...I eat Popadiuks for breakfast.

[Anonymous No.2062640]

>>2062621
Python didn't work on Pinball Magic. He was too busy thinking up such wonderful tables like Flipper Football and Zingy Bingy.

[Anonymous No.2063631]

Dredd Dude here,

Played teppotee's recreation, and I gotta say it's the most accurate translation of the table I've played. Though you can't trap the ball on the upper right flipper on the real table, even with the grippy red flipper rubber I have installed. Hell, hitting the Sniper Tower from that flipper is a rare feat for me. That, and I think most Dredds are set up to throw the ball straight into the left outlane if you miss the mini-loop. I know mine does, but I think it just adds to the challenge.

At least VP still lets you enjoy those based call-outs. YOUR DRIVING DAYS ARE OVER, PUNK!

[Anonymous No.2063637]

>>2062409
Huh. I had that same table pack from Epic Pinball when I was growing up. I remember Deep Sea used to scare the shit out of me. My five year old brain figured someone would actually die if I didn't hit the hurry-ups in time.

Now I play it and I just abuse the coral reef kick-out. That diver can drown for all I care, there's millions in that reef!

[Anonymous No.2063639]

Figured this thread would appreciate this image.

[Anonymous No.2063782]

>>2062640
He invent Pinball 2000 for fleeper football. Capcom not let him make.

[Anonymous No.2063787]

>>2063631
Are you seeing how it traps in the teppotee/lord hiryu table? Coming down from the left up there. I find I can drop catch with both upper flippers too, for good effect.

Does the table have those color changing target lights? Everyone acts like that's the new thing but if Dredd had them it's sort of old isn't it

[Anonymous No.2063840]

>>2062475
awww shit. this was at the local bar for ages it seemed.

[Anonymous No.2064051]

>>2063631
Was that in a fire or something

[Anonymous No.2064127]

>>2057387
Look for physmod VP tables.... srsly vp10 is gonna kick ass.

[Anonymous No.2064145]

>>2062534
cool. I've gotta track one down some day.

[Anonymous No.2064148]

Why doesn't Stern get Lawlor to work on their tables more often? Is he only working with Jersey Jack now?

[Anonymous No.2064407]

>>2064148
CSI part 2

[Anonymous No.2064538]

>>2064148
He hasn't worked for Stern in 6 years. He is a JJ employee now, so obviously he won't be doing more for Stern.

[Anonymous No.2064860]

My favorite pins are probably :

1) Gorgar
2) Space Shuttle
3) Scared Stiff
4) Firepower
5) Attack from Mars

I really, really want to play Mars God of War. Can't find a physical version anywhere, and my computer is too shit to run VP (if a digital version even exists!)

I generally dislike when a pinball game gives you a million fucking points for no reason. I can't get into score inflation. Cracking a million on Gorgar makes you feel like a man, but in later pins, when you're already at like 230 million five minutes into the game, I feel empty inside.

Also, I have tried repeatedly to get into the Twilight Zone, but I just don't get the appeal. I don't understand how it's the highest ranked pin of all time.

[Anonymous No.2065094]

>>2064860
You don't like overly high scoring games, yet you have AFM as your 5th best?

[Anonymous No.2065102]

>>2064860
pure plebeian taste my friend

[Anonymous No.2065294]

>>2063787
Dredd was from 1993, but the Crime Scene inserts don't have color changing lights. Each insert just has four lights bundled together underneath it to simulate that effect.
>>2064051
Nah, I just took those pictures with a shit camera. Bally/Williams clearcoated most of their playfields in the 90's, so the colors still pretty vibrant to this day.

[Anonymous No.2065324]

>>2065102
>pure plebeian taste my friend
What? Gorgar and Firepower are hardcore.

[Anonymous No.2065371]

My girlfriend had this pinball machine growing up. I really like how nonsensical and cartoonish the themes of some of the old pinball machines were. A lot of interesting retro sci-fi machines floating around.

Unfortunately it's a pretty average machine overall.

[Anonymous No.2065459]

>>2065294
That's all multi-colored LEDs are though, just different diodes.

[Anonymous No.2067291]

Broke a billion on Judge Dread

[Anonymous No.2069291]

>1h:27m
>458th place
I wish I was good.

[Anonymous No.2069340]

>>2069291

That doesn't require gitting gud, but being able to survive hours of agony. Scared Stiff is so bizarrely easy that if you want to get a really high score, you'll have to play for hours upon hours.

Getting a high score on other tables in TPA does simply require having a good game, but on Scared Stiff, a good game isn't sufficient in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.2069449]

>>2069340
yeah I guess.. I did some quick math and #5, 10bn, would take 3hours of these (pic related)... while #1 w/ 72bn would take 20 hours.

[Anonymous No.2071319]

Oh, thanks, Farsight. Good to see your shitty QA still left some of the camera bugs in there, even after you managed to fix it in TZ. Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.2073153]

>>2071319
That's worse than portraits camera bug, yikes

[Anonymous No.2073159]

christ i hate virtual pangball