Shooters That Aren't Doom

[Anonymous No.2053635]

We all know how good Doom is, but what about the other classic shooters? What about the Duke Nukems? The Shadow Warriors? Or maybe some other really obscure ones?

Give me the best retro FPS games you got.

[Anonymous No.2053660]

>>2053635
I didn't/don't play many FPS games, but Nam was big in my high school. I got it installed on all the comps in our JROTC computer lab, and thus we basically had lan parties at least once a week.

It wasn't so good at the actual game, but the other kids seemed pretty thankful I set things up for them to play it.

[Anonymous No.2053685]

Blood, Duke, Shadow Warrior, Quake, Unreal. That's about it. Everything else was mediorcre

[Anonymous No.2053698]

>>2053635
system shock 1 is pretty good if you play it with a mouselook mod.

It's more "ultima in spess" than "wants to be doom" though.

[Anonymous No.2053701]

Kingpin is pretty neat even by todays standards. I guess because it's really not so old (1999).

[Anonymous No.2053702]

Wolfenstein 3D would be good if everything didn't look exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.2053705]

Terminator Future Shock/Skynet
Amazing and underrated.

[Anonymous No.2053713]

Retro FPS I played and enjoyed:

Doom 1-2, Final Doom
Heretic, Hexen and its expansion
Strife
Quake 1-3 and their expansions
Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior
Unreal Tournament

[Anonymous No.2053742]

Dark Forces

[Anonymous No.2053798]

Try Soldier of Fortune. Surprisingly fun!

[Anonymous No.2053968]

>>2053635

Big BUILD engine trilogy: Blood, Duke 3D, Shadow Warrior
Quake trilogy
Unreal Tournament
Half Life/Counter-Strike

I never played Unreal 1 properly so can't comment on that.

[Anonymous No.2053989]

Doom64
Heretic
Hexen
Blood
Duke Nukem 3D
Duke Nukem 64
Killing Time (PC & 3DO)
PO’ed
Alien vs Predator
Alien Trilogy
Aliens Online
Shadow Warrior
Powerslave / Exhumed
Last Rites
MARS 3D
Wolfenstein 3D
Rise of the Triad
XS
Disruptor
Fate
Legend of the Seven Paladins
Star Wars: Dark Forces
Hacx
Isle of the Dead
WWII GI
Operation: Body Count
Strife
Extreme Paintbrawl
Chex Quest
Zero Tolerance
Eradicator
TAO
3D Hero
Gloom
Liquidator
Redneck Rampage
The Elder Scrolls: Arena
The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall
Escape from Monster Manor
SkyNET
The Terminator: Future Shock
Alien Breed 3D
Alien Cabal
Alpha Storm
Ashes to Ashes
Cyclones
Dungeons of Kremlin
In Extremis
Iron Angel of the Apocalypse
Necrodome
Space Hulk
Outlaws
Marathon
Damage Incorporated
Prime Target
Hexx: Heresy of the Wizard
The Terminator: Rampage
Terror of the Catacombs
Ken’s Labyrinth
Jurassic Park
In Extremis
Curse of the Catacombs
Catacomb 3-D
Bram Stoker’s Dracula
Blake Stone
Corridor 7
Corridor 8
Depth Dwellers
The Fortress of Dr. Radiaki
CyberMage
In Pursuit of Greed
Island Peril
Nerves of Steel
Rebel Moon
Skaphander: Der Auftrag / Virus Explosion
Super Noah’s Ark 3-D
Wetlands
William Shatner’s TekWar
Angst: Rahz’s Revenge
Chill Manor
I. M. Meen
Rex Blade: The Apocalypse
Witchaven
Quiver
Hades (하데스)

[Anonymous No.2054016]

>>2053989
Holy shit.

Of those, do you have a top 5?

[Anonymous No.2054018]

Blood was one of my favorites along with duke 3d

[Anonymous No.2054019]

>>2053989
>The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfal
>First person shooter

You wut, mate? I don't even like Elder Scrolls games, but they're not first person shooters.

[Anonymous No.2054024]

The be all-end all of fps games IMHO I'd the first round of Half-Life games.

[Anonymous No.2054030]

>>2054024
lol

[Anonymous No.2054032]

I'm a rare breed. I love single player focused FPSs but I don't care much for multiplayer in any form.
Any suggestions beyond id Software/3D Realms ones that feature an interesting setting or story?

[Anonymous No.2054036]

>>2054032
Unreal. Yeah, the series is exclusively known for its multiplayer, but the original has a really cool single player game with a unique setting.

[Anonymous No.2054042]

>>2054036
Yeah, forgot to include Unreal, Dark Forces, Outcast, Kingpin, Blood II, Requiem, Outlaws, The Terminator: Future Shock and Half-Life in my post.
Thanks though.

[NESfag No.2054168]

imo the PC version of Powerslave aka Exhumed; and Redneck Rampage Rides Again In Arkansas (the sequel to Redneck Rampage) are both very underrated.

Powerslave's gameplay and controls aren't excellent (though I can share protips to make the controls better if you're interested) but it shines in level design as it has some of the best Doom-era level design I've ever seen. Also great atmosphere with a setting that is not common for FPS.

Rides Again fixed most of the issues of the first game, also has much better level design and has added more cool like new enemies and driveable vehicules. The problem is that nobody played it because everyone stopped at the original one.

[Anonymous No.2054173]

>>2054168
>Powerslave's gameplay and controls aren't excellent (though I can share protips to make the controls better if you're interested)

I am, actually. Been meaning to play PS someday.

[Anonymous No.2054182]

Marathon thread?

[Anonymous No.2054184]

>>2054168
Does Rides Again have good gameplay?

Do you have a good video/webm/anything demonstrating its gameplay?

Why not put up a playthrough of one of its better levels?

[Anonymous No.2054193]

>>2054182
What's the best way to go about playing Marathon?

[Anonymous No.2054201]

>>2054193
The Aleph One project. Pretty straightforward.

[Anonymous No.2054213]

Faceball 2000, you could link a dozen gameboys for multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.2054220]

>>2054193

Not playing it, because its garbage.

[Anonymous No.2054223]

>>2054213
I wonder how many people actually did that.

[Anonymous No.2054229]

>>2054223
I remember seeing some guy on another board trying to get a game together.

Maybe I should try that sometime. I have a GBA and GBC. I just need...14 more GBs, 16 copies of the game, and 15 people to play with.

Oh, and lots and lots of AA batteries.

[Anonymous No.2054245]

>>2054193
http://source.bungie.org/

Download that shit. The original hasn't aged all that well in terms of level design, but Marathon 2 is solid and Marathon Infinity is fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.2054285]

>>2054229
Why not just get a ton of Gamecubes+GBA players+linkcables?

[Anonymous No.2054425]

>>2054220
why is that?

[NESfag No.2054627]

>>2054184
RR:RA has good gameplay, much better than its prequel. However, it doesn't have the depth and intensity of Blood, nor does it have the challenge of Shadow Warrior. It's more like DN3D.

I'll make a video.

When I'm praising Powerslave and RR:RA, keep in mind that I am a real Build engine fanboy. Most people wouldn't like those games, but if you're into retro FPS, they're worth checking out and are underrated imo.

>>2054173
Copy pasta:
Someone just told me 2 super cool things about the game. Sounds like they are glitches, but it makes playing much better :

- if you set the "run" key as "capslock", you can actually have autorunning. No need to hold that shift key all the time anymore!
- and if you use that capslock autorunning; you can strafe super fast! The superfast strafing doesn't work with the 'strafe left' and 'strafe right' keys, however it works if you use 'strafekey + left' or 'strafekey + right' (again only if you use the autorunning capslock). So, by settings the Q and D keys to 'left' and 'right' (rather than strafe left/right in a normal WASD setting) and use a key like Lshift or Lctrl as "strafe" key; and hold that key anytime you want to strafe, you can use that superfast strafing.

Oh ; and another protip from me to make playing a little more comfortable too, though not a glitch this time : in this game you have to hold a key to be able to look up/down with the mouse. Well, if you set that key to a mousebutton like RMB or MMB, it makes mouselook much more convenient....

[Anonymous No.2055497]

>>2053635

[MLP No.2055581]

[Anonymous No.2055649]

>>2055497
Don't kid yourself, we all know there was nothing good about Zero Tolerance aside from the music.

[Anonymous No.2055735]

>>2053989
>Marathon
>Damage Incorporated
>Prime Target
Fuck yes my Mac gaming brother.

[Anonymous No.2055978]

>>2054182

[Anonymous No.2056239]

>>2053968
Holy shit, why haven't I been crouching?

[Category !.Jb7KRfgJg No.2056346]

>>2053742

So much this.

[Anonymous No.2056358]

>>2054019
It is if you play an archer

[Anonymous No.2056491]

>>2056239
ya crouch more, but you gotta use it right. it doesn't put you on easy street brah.

[NESfag No.2056637]

>>2056491
Nice

[Anonymous No.2056663]

>>2053742
This is my personal favorite fps from that era. I genuinely believe it's superior to doom and build engine games largely due to the superb objective and mission design. You always had something to actually do in every mission, and it really does a lot for immersion and navigating the levels. I love doom and Duke and blood and all that jazz but every level was just find the keys/cards and get to the end of the level.

Also I don't know what the fuck kind of black magic the Lucasarts guys practiced to get so much verticality into their engine.

[Anonymous No.2056690]

>>2056637
thank you nesbro

[NESfag No.2056693]

>>2056663
The reason I love Doom and Build games is because of the absence of mission and other bullshit objectives. Pure arcade-ish gameplay has better replay value and will always be fun. Story and objective based games are designed more like movies. I never liked Goldeneye or Perfect Dark (well PD is decent).

[Anonymous No.2056704]

>>2054245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfh8XwuynBc
>dat atmosphere

[Anonymous No.2056816]

>>2056693
>Didn't like goldeneye
>posts in fps topic

[NESfag No.2056832]

>>2056816
You'd be surprised how many people don't like Goldeneye. Actually, probably most people who play FPS on PC. When it came out and my friends and I first played it, we literaly ROFL'd at how bad it was.

[Anonymous No.2056909]

>>2056832
Well, your loss m8. My friends and I played and enjoyed everything, from N64, to PSX, to PC. That said, I can't play GE or PD anymore in 2014 while I still love to play BUILD/DOOM/Quake. Back in the day I 100%'d both games though and enjoyed the fuck out of their multiplayer etc.

You said earlier that those games don't have replay value but I disagree. GEPD both had some really awesome features that games today oughta do, like more mission objectives on harder difficulties, and two extra unlockable levels that were only available if you beat the game on the two harder difficulties. Then there were all the unlockable cheats that you could only get by speedrunning levels at certain difficulties. 100%'ing both games took me a good while and was satisfying as hell when I did it. The 4 player local multiplayer was also damn good times.

Sure the games had mission objectives, but the actual gameplay itself was, for the most part, very 'arcadey' and run and gun, apart from the stealth aspects which added good variety. Both games also had really great level design iirc and the guns were satisfying as fuck to shoot, especially PD. I would have liked to check out the Perfect Dark HD re-release on XBL but I don't have a 360.

But yeah, as great as the games were for me then, I can't touch them anymore in 2014 because of the framerate and controls, especially on the N64 pad. I guess you couldn't stand that even back then.

[Anonymous No.2057009]

>>2056832
I feel lucky that I got to enjoy the 4 player fun at the time with friends. But yea the controls and heavy fog to disguise the poor draw distance make it unplayable once you get use to having a mouse.

And to be honest Goldeney and Perfect Dark got replaced by later games that did more game modes, better controls, and better multiplayer even on consoles let alone something you can LAN.

[Anonymous No.2058169]

>>2054425
as someone who likes marathon:

absolute shit tier level design, and marathon 1 had sprite design right out of a children's coloring book. Also, the network model is retarded such that even if the faggots who run the aleph one project wanted to implement better netcode, it would still be impossible.

the only things it really has going for it are story and atmosphere...

and again, this is as someone who loves the fucking series.

[Anonymous No.2058172]

>>2057009
>once you get use to having a mouse.
there's mouse drivers for certain emulators. played through it once like that...

I still couldn't do it. PC native gaming has spoiled me such that this little middle child of console hardware is total shit to me anymore. It was 100% awesome back when I was a kid, but it's unplayably bad even with a mouse today...

[Anonymous No.2058173]

>>2053635
holy shit is that NAM1975

i had this game and it sucked so fucking much but it was the only one i had for a while so i played the fuck out of it. i know every single secret of this shit

[Anonymous No.2058174]

>>2056832
>probably most people who play FPS on PC.

That's why I didn't like it. I was already playing 16 person games of Quake when Goldeneye came out and somehow "invented" fps multiplayer. Plus that controller is abominable on its own right, let alone compared to a mouse and keyboard setup - you can't even aim and move at the same time. Also, fog past 10 feet everywhere.

It honestly offered nothing that people weren't already doing years ago with mods in doom/quake/whatever.

[Anonymous No.2058203]

>>2055649
Also it had system-link coop. And it was declared freeware so it's 100% legal to emulate.

[Anonymous No.2058217]

It's not for everyone, because it's pretty eh., OLD. but i really enjoy Catacomb 3D and Ken's labyrinth

[Anonymous No.2058318]

>>2058174
>you can't even aim and move at the same time
Actually you could. There was a control setting that was equivalent to modern dual analog controls, with movement set to the C buttons and aim set to analog.

And even with the default control scheme, you could still move and aim/shoot at the same time by by strafing and using the analog stick.

[Anonymous No.2058615]

>>2053713
Have you played Unreal? It's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.2058619]

>>2058318
The c button set up was a fucking disaster. Come on.

[Anonymous No.2058624]

>>2058172
Even on the newest builds of 1964? I thought Goldeneye was flawless.

I like Perfect Dark, but I'm frustrated by the occasional moments of horrible slowdown. I wish you could lower the graphics settings to get better framerate.

I still enjoy the game a good deal though, and I first bought and played it this past december, so I'm hardly a nostalgiafag for it. That said, TimeSplitters Future Perfect is a much better game, which makes sense because the same people made it.

I do appreciate that PD has tons of features which still aren't matched by newer shooters, or even TimeSplitters games. I just appreciate the character/weapon/multiplayer variety and the better controls and framerate more than those unique aspects of PD.

[Anonymous No.2058627]

>>2058619
I was just pointing out that you were incorrect regarding aiming and moving. :)

Anyway people used the C-Button setup just fine with GoldenEye.

[Anonymous No.2058631]

>>2056816
I really didn't care for Goldeneye, but I didn't get to experience it when I was younger. It was around 2003 when I first played it, and by that time I was so heavy into PC games that I just couldn't get along with the feel of it. I feel like I missed out since so many people have such a strong love for the game.

[Anonymous No.2058662]

>>2058631
>and by that time I was so heavy into PC games that I just couldn't get along with the feel of it.
thats pretty much the same reason I couldn't get into Halo. I had a gaming PC during that gen and couldn't give a fuck about most of PS2/XBox

[Anonymous No.2059221]

>>2058624
my problems with it aren't in controls. compared even to something like doom, it has tiny maps.
compared to something like system shock 1, it has simplistic design aims.

I'll admit, I nostalgia'd hard when I got it running in 1964, and I remember playing it fondly when I was a little kid...

It's a good console game of the era...but that said, they call PC gaming "master race" for a damn good reason.

[Anonymous No.2060020]

>>2056832
Honestly, I could not completely enjoy a FPS on a console since CoD4 came out. Very few retro shooters were any good on consoles. I have heard that the PS1 had some good ports. The Dreamcast had a DREADFUL Unreal Tournament port (released in 2001, but still /vr/ since the console and original game are from 1999). The PSX version of Descent lags.

[Anonymous No.2060150]

>>2053635
>Duke Nukem
>classic shooter
>not classic platformer

[NESfag No.2060158]

>>2060020
Lol, I actually enjoyed the Dreamcast version of Unreal Tournament. The reason to this is because on PC, my friends would get dominated by me, even if they went 2 against 1 on me; but on Dreamcast, playing with a pad made things more even and they actually stood a chance against me, so that was the only we'd play.

Also the exclusives levels of the Dreamcast version are pretty good. One of the DM maps I made for DN3D (called Canyon Bunker), its layout is inspired by the memory I had of my favourite exclusive map of the Dreamcast version of UT.