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2033589 No.2033589 [Reply] [Original]

Is this game as good as the original?

>> No.2033597

Most people say it's better.

>> No.2033603

Most people say it's worse.

>> No.2033605

monks

>> No.2033607

Most people say it's about as good as the first.

>> No.2033609

Most people say it's just as good.

>> No.2033610

Most people call me the space cowboy

>> No.2033658
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2033658

3>2>1

>> No.2033669

most people say it's easy as shit and made for 10 year olds

>> No.2033749

>>2033669

that might be on account of it being made for ten year olds

>> No.2033793

>>2033658
This.

>> No.2033825

It's way better. Music & visuals are significantly improved and it has actual exploration.

>> No.2034204

It's better.

>> No.2034206

>>2033658
3 > CD > 2 > 1 > FC

>> No.2034216

>>2033658
>dat Scenario 3

Most fun I've ever had in any SRPG.

>> No.2034449

>>2033658
>>2034206

langrisser 2 > warsong > every strategy game on genesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6DnxTBebY

>> No.2034647 [DELETED] 

>>2034449
>>2034206

my opinion >OP's opinion > moot's opionion > aids >your opinion

>> No.2034705

1 < CD < 2 < 3 on it's own

I couldn't stand Shining Force II, though I loved the first one. Loved CD as well. Scenario 1 of three was decent, but on it's own it's just okay. Combine it with scenarios 2, 3 and the bonus disc and it's one of the greatest gaming experiences in existence.

Funny that.

>> No.2034734
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>>2034206
Is Final Conflict that bad?
You'd think a game where both Max and Oddeye are playable would be interesting, but I guess not, uh?

>> No.2034803

>>2033589

Is the Shining Force 3 translations done?

I should get my Saturn working again.

>> No.2034826

>>2034803
They have been done for years now (seriously, I finished all scenarios in 2011).
The most recent translation patches are just grammar fixes, Compendium entries, and some small changes in Scenario 1's dialog.

There's a new patch version (16) coming early next month that polishes the text a little, so you might want to hold on until then.

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2034895

Personally I didn't like the "random" battles on the overworld.

>> No.2034961

Fuck Mishaela

>> No.2034980

>>2033669
>implying it's not fun just because muh challenge.

>> No.2034986

How are Shining in the Darkness & Shining the Holy Ark? I know they have different gameplay to the mainline Shining series.

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>>2034961
>tfw she's alive in SF1 and comes back in later games

>> No.2035109

>>2034986
Not the same.
I played SF2 first so I believe it to be the more enjoyable title, compared to SF1. I feel its just a better game overall (characters, story, level system, etc)

As far as 3. I think its good. I desperately need to play it again as when I did the first time I didn't get very far and eneded up selling the system and game (doh!)

With the translations, does the saved game feature work OK with an american scenario 1 and Jp 2?

>> No.2035129

>>2034986
Shining in the Darkness is a brutal assfucking grind. I like it, but it's worse than a DQ grind.

>> No.2035149

>>2034826

Oh, I wasn't sure that the actual translation had been finished. I know they are still releasing patches so I figured the games we're still in progress.

That's awesome. Time to pick up some blank cd's.

>> No.2035178

>>2035109
Yes, it does.

>> No.2035208

>>2033658
Fucking this. SFIII is such an underrated game. It's incredible.

>>2034986
You'll either love them or hate them. Seriously. I played through about half of Holy Ark in one sitting. I was addicted, but there are also many people that despise it. Same goes for Shining in the Darkness, but honestly to a lesser extent. SITD has more of a general appeal IMO.

SF Sword of Hajya on Game Gear is also really dope.

>> No.2035748

>>2035129
Is it difficult or babymode like the other games?

>> No.2035825

>>2035748

Not the guy you're asking, but it's pretty solid difficulty. You really need maps though, especially as you go deeper into the Labyrinth.

>> No.2035845

Can someone recommend the best way that I can download and play Shining Force 3? Which emulator/which rom/where to get.

>> No.2035912

>>2035825
I remember playing this as a kid and it being one of the only games where I had to make a map on graph paper.

Awesome game though. For that time and era it was amazing.

>> No.2035954

>>2035845
I personally bought a Saturn and play a copied SF3 using the swap method

>> No.2036049

>>2035954
Uhh looking into this

>> No.2036054

so was the gba remake ever worth playing or just play the original Ist?

>> No.2036064

>>2034449
Langrisser II's OST is fucking goat. A great game as well.

>> No.2036075

some people call it maurice

>> No.2036081

>>2035954
That sounds like some 'that kid' bullshit

>> No.2036083

>>2035912
>not doing this for fun for every game

>> No.2036084

>>2036054

GBA version of 1 starts out easier than the original, but by the time you beat it a few times, it gets way harder, if you beat it enough times you can basically make reg small fry enemies have 999 hp and max stats.

That said it takes like 30 runs to get to that point and shining force 1 isnt all that interesting to begin with.

>> No.2036118

I like them both; but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lfMKhWKOE

puts II over the top for me.

>> No.2036140

>>2033589

I like the plot and characters of SF1 better, but I'll admit that SF2 has superior gameplay.

>> No.2036221

>>2036118
I haven't sat down and listened to this in at least a year. Thank you for posting this, Anon.

>> No.2036362

>>2035748
SF3 is more difficult. The enemies tend to flock more toward those characters with low hp, who are weaker, or the leader, rather than who is closest.
Pretty sure fire 1 still does 6 damage though

>> No.2036379

>>2036362
That's mostly just Spiriel and the other bosses though.

The latter chapters of that game are so good.

>> No.2036615

>>2036379
I feel its more of the entire game. I notice it even on the very first battle. Enemies flock toward Grace and Masqurin.

>> No.2036623

>>2036615
Really? I felt it was once of the easier Shining Forces, with the exception of boss battles. Some fights in those were brutal.

The only truly intensively difficult part about the game I found was Battle 8. Good Christ that was weird, but at the same time I kind of enjoyed it.

>> No.2036739

>>2036081
I couldn't get an emulator to work, so I decided to take a different option.

>> No.2036760

DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT MAX AND KANE ARE TIME TRAVELERS FROM THE PAST?!

>> No.2036769

>>2036760
Source

>> No.2036771

>>2036760
Fucking remakes, man.

>> No.2036772

>>2036623
*One of the easier

>> No.2036920

>>2036084
I fucking hated the GAB remake. I didn't like the addition of card play and got pissed at the changes in the animation. Particularly the Hero silver armor looks gay as fuck.

All in all though SF2 is about the same as SF1 and both god-tier IMO. Not because they're the greatest but because I played them on their initial NA release and they set off my now insatiable love for strategy RPGs

>> No.2036946

I feel like most people only played the first two Genesis games and ignored everything else.
Anyone here played CD and Final Conflict?

>> No.2036951
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2036951

Replaying II now. Just got back to Grans. How am I doin?

>> No.2036989

>>2036951
You promoted at level 20 I see.

Might make things a bit harder, but probably not too much.
Who's on your team?

>> No.2037019

>>2036951
>>2036989
I'm trying to keep everyone on the level (no pun) with the open world battles but my core is:

Sarah VICR
Chester PLDN
Kazin WIZ
Slade NINJ
Peter PHNX
May BWNT
Gerhalt WFBR
and building up
Tyrin SORC (guy could do some damage) but I gotta defend him like crazy. Same with that fucking turtle

>> No.2037034

>>2037019
Sorcerers are great against single enemies/bosses but shit against groups, since their spell damage is split by everyone.

>> No.2037060

>>2036946
I own sfcd. Its good but different from the other games, with the lack of true towns. Its just fight after fight.

>> No.2037151

So I've been playing SF2 for the first time. Is Chester always such a shit? I've only done 3 battles but he dies in like 2 hits and the rest of my party can take much more

>> No.2037156

>>2037151
First knight is usually high HP, shit defense.

>> No.2037176

>>2037151
He's a late bloomer. Make him a Pegasus Knight for maximum usefulness.

>> No.2037183

>>2037151
Yeah. He gets up there pretty quick in HP but his DEF is shit. I typically put him out there with a projectile weapon and a couple of healing drops as a "feeler" for the enemies.

>> No.2037223

>>2037060
That's because it's a remake of the game gear games.

>> No.2037464

>>2037223
Yes, it is.

>> No.2037491
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>>2036946
I played I, II, CD and III (all scenarios).
Final Conflict is the only Camelot SF I never played. It's in my backlog, though.

>> No.2037817
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2037817

Shining Force 2 is unquestionably the greatest game of all time. If they implemented the highest difficulty correctly the sheer amount of compressed greatness would have formed a singularity ending life as we know it so the government stepped in and made them screw up the hardest setting.

Dozens of companies make good SRPGs but fucking no one else is smart enough to put in actual exploration and shit to do outside of constant battle.

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2037829

>>2037019
>VICR
What are you doing son!?

>> No.2037864

>>2033589
even better

>> No.2037875

>>2036951
>Removing Chester

>> No.2037876

>>2036951
Oh I just read your second post, sorry.
You're levelling /all/ the characters? That's something I've never done

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>>2037019
>(guy could do some damage)

ahah

>> No.2037880

>>2037019
imo Kazin makes a better SORC than Tyrin. Tyrin's ice spells do way more damage than Kazin's Blaze spells.

>> No.2037881

>>2037876
>Leveling all characters
>including those faggots like Higins that no one ever uses

Are any of the shit characters any good?

>> No.2037883

>>2037151
CHESTER IS THE SHIT LEVEL HIM LIKE CRAZY AND PROMOTE HIM TO PEGASUS KNIGHT

>> No.2037886

>>2037817
Truth

>> No.2038057

How good is the Gaiden series?

>> No.2038058

>>2038057
Just play CD instead.

>> No.2038068

>>2033658
yeah, this.

>> No.2038079

>>2033610
Shut it, Maurice

>> No.2038090

>>2038058
What about Final Conflict?

>> No.2038102

SF1's battle music is forever stuck in my head.
DADADA DUN DUN
DUN DUN
DOO DOO DOODOOOO

Gort is the GOAT.

>> No.2038108

>>2036946
I've played all of them except Final Conflict. I completely forgot about it until this thread. I guess I have to get an Game Gear emulator and look for the english patch.

>> No.2038117

>>2037829
Fucking this. Master Monk>Vicar

>> No.2038257

>>2033589
I love to shit on Western box art for old games but this is it done right. Badass guy who could conceivably be bowie fucking up some dwarf.
It fits the game and doesn't look ridiculous. The only bad part is the random floating eyes but I couldnt even see them until I really looked.

>> No.2038260

>>2038257
It'd be cool if it didn't look like he was fucking yawning.

>> No.2038324
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>>2037019
>Sarah VICR

>> No.2038494

...what's wrong with Sarah as a vicr?
I always did that since my second play around as a kid...

>> No.2038502

>>2037817
>smart enough to put in actual exploration and shit to do outside of constant battle

Because it's an awful idea. It doesn't suit the structure of the game in the slightest. An army randomly walking around a world map just seems odd, it doesn't suit the theme of a SRPG at all.

>> No.2038507

>>2038494
>Sarah VICR not MMNK
>Chester as PLDN not PGNT
>Kazin WIZ not SORC
Absolutely disgusting. Kazin is half understandable bc IIRC WIZ does more dam on multiple and SORC divides dam among enemies but the other 2? Also-
>NO JAHA
Now you're just taking the piss, m8.

>> No.2038510

>>2038494
>.what's wrong with Sarah as a vicr?
She gets the exact same spells as a monk, plus she has a higher damage output, as well as more hp and defence. Not having her as a Master Monk is just shooting yourself in the foot.

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>>2038257
Yeah but it doesn't represent the game at all. It seems to Americanized.

Check out the JP boxart

>> No.2038885
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2038885

CD was even worse

>> No.2038914

>>2033589
No. Not at all. There aren't as many characters who are good enough to toss in your team for the the long-term.

>> No.2039249

Domingo is OP

>> No.2040116

>>2038502
I disagree. I liked being able to back track and get the rest of the characters from Creed's and redoing some battles for grinding.

>> No.2040119

>>2038876
That's easily some of the best boxart I've ever seen

>> No.2040162

>>2038257
>Badass guy who could conceivably be bowie
I always thought that was a woman.
Regardless either she's got a bad case of the man face (and arms and legs) or he's got a bad case of the man tits.

>> No.2040260

>>2040162

or you're just a rere

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2040267

>>2038494
>...what's wrong with Sarah as a vicr?

what isn't.

Monk got all the same abilities and can actually fight worth a damn

oh and you don't have to look at this monstrosity

>> No.2040269
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2040269

dumped for a princess who didn't do shit the whole game

>> No.2040428

>>2040267
Wow. Brain fart.
I was thinking vicr was the monk, for some reason... Even though I knew it was called master monk. Dumb. That animation triggered the right thoughts!
Sorry fellas, my bad.

>> No.2040529

Only with Obob's hack.
Without it's too easy.

Also I would suggest the last gaiden, I don't know why its good, but its very good.

>> No.2040541

>>2040269
>Advocating race mixing

Absolutely disgusting.

>> No.2040547

>>2040541
You seem a little lost. Here's a board which might suit you better:

>>>/pol/

>> No.2040563

>>2040269
Oh please. I would rather have May.

>> No.2040594

>>2040269
She ends up with Kazin in Shining Wisdom.
At least she doesn't die alone.

>> No.2040903

Decide for yourself. I like the first one more, but 2 is probably objectively better.

>> No.2040928

>>2040903
What's objectively better about it

>> No.2040935

>>2040928
Freer world, more characters, more character types, more interesting boss battles, a secret battle at the end with all the bosses, lots of secrets as well for that matter, more character types, ways to promote characters into new and unique classes, etc etc.

I certainly prefer the first one, but it's not difficult to see why people prefer the second.

>> No.2040943

If you liked the first, play CD next.
Lots of recurring characters and locations.

>> No.2040946

>>2040943
This. It's one of the most satisfying sequels I've played. And that music is eargasmic too.

>> No.2040971

>>2040935
That question was sarcasm, just so you know

>> No.2041129

>>2040971
Shut up nerd

>> No.2041220

So back when it was new how big was Shining Force? Was it like a hyped up system seller or was it more of a niche game?

>> No.2041282

>>2041220
I have never met another person that has even heard of Shining Force, unless I introduced it to them.

Arizona could just be full of people with shitty taste, though.

>> No.2041294

>>2041220
I don't remember what made me get the first one, but I played the shit out of it so I figure I would have noticed when 2 was coming out. I didn't even know the 2nd game existed until a relative randomly gave it to me. If it had any hype then I somehow missed it all.

>> No.2041308

>>2041129
Show some fucking respect

>> No.2041327

>>2041282
>>2041294
I think a lot of people played it first on Sega Smash Pack 2

>> No.2041352

>>2041308
Gas yourself.

>> No.2041406

>>2041352
Show some fucking respect

>> No.2041408

>>2041406
Gas ourself.

>> No.2041413

>>2038502
I bet you never played fallout tactics

>> No.2041450

>>2041413
I have, and it was an abominable.

>> No.2041497

>>2033589
The guy in OP's pic seems to be using the Joker's mouth for a shield.

>> No.2041539

>>2041408
Stop actin like you got no relations

>> No.2041762

>>2041327
Yeah, that's how I played it.

>> No.2041778

>>2038502
>muh constant battles
What about the SRPG with world maps and menu driven locations that you can backtrack to? Or does it only break your suspension of disbelief when you manually control the leader? This would be retarded, so I hope this isn't the case. Do you hate the towns in Jagged Alliance too?

>> No.2043285

Which one had the wolf dude and the hidden jellyfish?

>> No.2043317

Where is the hamster guy?

>> No.2043327

>>2043285

The first Shining Force.

>> No.2043329

>>2043285
>>2043317
First one

>> No.2043425

3 > 2 with search glitch patch fix ≥ 1 remake > 2 > 1 > CD > SoH

>> No.2043620

How good is Resurrection of Dark Dragon?

>> No.2043728

I like the look of GBA SF1 a lot more than the original.
As for SF2, it's good. Equally as good as the first one. I was disappointed it didn't also get a remake on the GBA.
Haven't played SF CD yet, even though i've had it for quite a while. I want to play through SF1 again first. Think i'll get to that now, actually. Fuck yeah.

>> No.2044769

I like using all the unique characters even if they take effort to build up at certain parts of the game.

Kiwi, Claude, Slade, Zynk, and Gerhalt.

Slade only needs work at firest before he becomes the best. Kiwi needs health bread and the power ring but I love flying characters and SF2 doesn't have many. Gerhalt is a badass. Claude needs a running pimento has great defense and is an enemy who joins you. Zynk always gives me the most trouble because he's not particularly good at anything but I like his random laser blast like kiwis fire breath.

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>>2040269
That shit pissed me off. It was just so out of nowhere.

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2044945

>>2044915
For you.

>> No.2044992

>>2044945
dem tits

>> No.2046614

>>2033589
Both are good as fuck

>> No.2048924

Can I bump this thread? I want it to live

>> No.2049223

>>2048924
Bumping Shining Force is always a good idea.

I liked how Creed was your priest during the last battles. I wanted him to join but the force but that was still cool.

>> No.2049296

>>2043620

it is basically a remake with some additional content, and arguably only slightly improved graphics. It is probley the better one to play instead of the sega version though.

>> No.2049803
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2049803

currently replaying SF1 for the 50 billionth time, i've always had a soft spot for it as it was the first game i completed as a kid.

I think objectively SF2 is a better game. Multiple promotions for some characters, secret weapons, a few areas that aren't strictly linear and the most important point - much improved A.I.

I love the feel and the characters within SF1 but the A.I. is so bad, there are 5-10 battles where the toughest enemies just stand still and let you smash them from range completely removing the challenge which is a huge shame.

I'd say both are better than final conflict and shining force CD, although they're great games in their own right as well.

>> No.2049807

>>2049803

forgot to add i do actually prefer SF1 myself, but i wouldn't argue that it's a 'better' game.

>> No.2050462

I heard the SF1 remake has a totally redesigned difficulty and gets harder the more you beat it. Is the AI better than the original or do they just get larger stats?

>> No.2051217

>>2050462

The ai for the most part makes better decisions. There were two real noticable things it did in SF1, those were having these "set piece" actions they would do to the exclusion of everything else even if they would die trying to do it and getting "leashed", once they attacked a character they only attacked that character unless max moved right next to them. They still try to do their preprogrammed actions but they will fight if interrupted and if they see oppertunities to make a more elaborate move to attack or kill weaker targets they will.

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>>2033597
>>2033603
>>2033607
>>2033609

I read this like some music lyrics
>wannabe

>> No.2052734

Can anyone explain to me the best strategy to train in the Fairy Woods?

I didn't particularly enjoy 2 but I still feel the need to finish it.

>> No.2052863

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563341-shining-force-ii/44890689
Also...anyone want to sell their copy of sf3 (NA)?

>> No.2052901

>playing Shining Force III for the first time since the Saturn/PS1 days

Ah, watching the opening FMV and the Saraband intro is filling me with nostalgia.

>> No.2052906

>>2052901
You going to play the other scenarios?

>> No.2052914

>>2052906
Yeah, but I don't want to burn myself out of SF3, so I'm going to play something else between scenarios.

>> No.2052920

>>2052906
Very good idea. I couldn't bring myself to play Scenario 2 for about 15 months, but now I'm really enjoying it.

>> No.2052923

>>2052920
Meant for:
>>2052914

>> No.2053110

>>2052734

there is a pond relatively close where you start the fight that spawns a high end gizmo looking guy, you basically wail on him, while avoiding everything else, once hes dead it will respawn every single turn so whoever is still alive can start over

>> No.2053345

>>2052734
If you just want to finish it why are you grinding?
There is absolutely no need unless you really want to use a specific low level character.

>> No.2053554

>>2053345
I like being decently powerful.

I did some grinding and it didn't take too much time at all, a couple of hours maybe. Glad I did it to be honest. Now it'll make it easier to finish it.

>> No.2054649

>>2037829
She kicks high.

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>>2040269
>Girl who fought by your side frim the beginning abandoned for a princess who had three lines and the personality of wet carboard

Why did anyone on the writing staff think this was a good idea?

>> No.2054724

>>2054660
Because childhood friend.

>> No.2054743

>>2054660
princess has amazing tits though.

>> No.2054812

>>2043425
>>2043425

Explain the search glitch please.

>> No.2054827

>>2054812
You can't use search in battle, so there's some chests you can't access in the english version.

>> No.2054998

Like that chest in the middle of the pond. Taunting me every time ...

>> No.2055005

>>2054827
Pretty sure it's only one chest in the entire game. It contains a ring that restores health each turn. Not even sure they left it in the English version since you couldn't search anyway.

>> No.2055016

>>2055005
There's a few, not just that one.

>> No.2057084

>>2051961
So did I.

>> No.2057683

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7uYDg2fqeE

Sharing this because I feel like it

>> No.2057876

I was upset to learn I couldn't change any of the party's default names. It's not like there's voice acting, what the hell is the difference?

>> No.2057936

>>2057876
You can with a cheat code.

>> No.2058568

>>2057876
You can change the party names in every (Camelot) Shining Force game, but as the anon above said, you'll need a cheat code.

>> No.2059993

>>2057936
I've done that several times by accident, I have no idea how. How do you do it? It seemed to have something to do with deleting saves then holding down start after naming Bowie?

>> No.2060117

>>2059993
>After you've named the main character, hilight 'end', then press A and 'Start' together. Another character should appear. You can now name each member of the force!

Pulled this off of Shining Force Central.

>> No.2060969

>>2035845
SSF is the most stable Saturn emulator, it doesn't have any fancy graphical options though (yet).

The ISOs can be found easily enough with google.

Go to the shiningforcecentral.com forums for the translation patches. No ISO begging on there, though.

>> No.2060973

>>2035912
I played it recently and I could still remember the route to the Kaiser Krab without needing a map. Amazing how things stick with you.