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Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:02:51 2014 No.2032550 [Reply] [Original]

Is it time to stop pretending that the sms is a good system ? There's a few gems but the majority of games are just severely downgraded arcade/megadrive ports,pretty much all of the european exclusives are shitty US gold conversions ,zillion can't hold a candle to metroid ,golden axe warrior is no zelda killer,the brazilian tectoy games weren't very good either though I applaud their efforts,it's just a system I've always wanted to like because it's sega but I've yet to find more than maybe 5 games I enjoy,it's not even in the same league as the nes and there's no way that can be debated.

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:05:08 2014 No.2032993 >>2032550 I would chime in, but its the only system that I have not owned :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:09:44 2014 No.2033009 >>2032550 my thought is you're a faggot who never actually sat down with the machine and had fun with it. I didnt buy a master system until this summer but its a great system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:12:42 2014 No.2033018 >>2033009 What would be your top 3 games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:17:13 2014 No.2033037 I don't know, OP. I liked the NES better but there were plenty of good SMS games. Also, I'll take the SMS Shinobi, Fantasy Zone, Space Harrier, Choplifter, and Ghostbusters, over the NES versions any day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:22:54 2014 No.2033052 >>2033037 SMS Double Dragon is also superior to the NES version. You can actually play 2 player co-op in it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:27:31 2014 No.2033068

>>2033018
Wonderboy in Monster Land
Shinobi
Golvellius

now yes it certainly doesn't have as many good games as the NES but the games it does have are very good too. It doesn't have the ratio of bad games the NES has either though since most were programmed by sega themselves and they knew how to code better than micronics or tose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:34:02 2014 No.2033090 >>2033068 >Wonderboy in Monster Land >not Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2YbwIuhv0E

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:41:16 2014 No.2033110 So now /vr/ is at /v/ levels of threads. That's great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:43:58 2014 No.2033119 >>2033110 I'm not sure I understand what you're perceiving.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:51:50 2014 No.2033136 >>2033052 >SMS Double Dragon is also superior to the NES version. This is what SMSfags believe. >You can actually play 2 player co-op in it. Playing a mediocre version of Double Dragon with a friend doesn't make it less mediocre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:53:19 2014 No.2033141 >>2033090 I love Dragon's Trap but its too easy, I had way too much fun finding all the hidden shit in monster land.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:56:37 2014 No.2033149 >>2033136 How is it worse than the SMS version?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:57:39 2014 No.2033152 >>2033149 Woops I meant the NES version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:00:08 2014 No.2033156 >>2033136 they're both pretty bad, the only reason they thought the NES version was good was nostalgia and they never played it again to find out it's just as bad.

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:00:40 2014 No.2033158

>>2033149
The SMS Double Dragon fucked up the combat system completely. In the AC and NES versions, you could stun enemies with a couple of punches or a single kick and then follow it up with an uppercut, roundhouse kick or a hair pull. This option was removed in the SMS version, forcing you to rely on hit and run strategies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:07:13 2014 No.2033173 File: 4 KB, 114x125, 1408737027236s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2033110 This. So. Much. This. > Someone doesn't have first hand experience with something > "Is it time to stop pretending that the sms is a good system?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 22:44:47 2014 No.2033375 Every blaster game on it destroys nes. It's 3d glasses library is way bigger and they're great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 22:49:44 2014 No.2033387 >>2033158 So? That doesn't make it bad. SMS DD>NES DD

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:34:57 2014 No.2033484

>>2032550
Bought one of these over the weekend. Got the system and a bunch of games. The controllers were shit though, so I need to get some that work. Came with mostly garbage games and Double Dragon. Having co-op is a big plus over the NES version. Won't be able to make a proper judgement until we get some controllers that don't have dead buttons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:35:44 2014 No.2033485 >>2033173 Damn, I thought this was a gif of DK shaking his head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:38:10 2014 No.2033491 >>2032550 I though Phantasy star was fun and more enjoyable than FF I-III or DQ I-IV

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:39:40 2014 No.2033496 >>2033484 you can use the Genesis controllers on a master system

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:46:32 2014 No.2033512

>>2032550
It's not on the same league as the NES, true few systems in gaming history can compete with the NES, SNES, or PS2.

That doesn't mean other consoles around this time didn't have some gems.

What, do you own stock for Nintendo? Who gives a shit? Play good games however you can.

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:51:04 2014 No.2033529

>>2033387
>That doesn't make it bad.
It does when every enemy (from the typical Williams and Rowper to Machine Gun Willy) has to be fought the same way. The AC and NES versions both allowed you to mix in your techniques. That's not even mentioning the constant flickering, bland level designs, crappier soundtrack. The only thing the SMS version has going for is the 2P mode.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 00:21:00 2014 No.2033587 >>2033496 Oh. Well, yes that is much better. Thank you. Being a noob sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 00:40:27 2014 No.2033620 >>2033587 You can also use Master System controllers in some (very few) Genesis games. The hardware is identical, it's just the programming that's different.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 00:50:55 2014 No.2033636 >>2033620 Good to know. Doubt I'll ever use it because I am not liking the erect dick d-pad compared to a genesis controller, but I'll keep it in mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 00:55:22 2014 No.2033641 >>2033529 To be fair, co-op in double dragon is a big fucking deal. The SMS game looks better overall, except for the flickering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 01:14:03 2014 No.2033684 >>2033641 The NES version Double Dragon II is way better than either version of DD1 if you're eager for an 8-bit co-op beat-'em-up.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 01:25:08 2014 No.2033707

The best SMS games for me:
- Black Belt
- Ninja Gaiden (this is almost completely different from the NES and Arcade versions)
- Phantasy Star
- Kenseiden (the Master System's Castlevania)
- The Lucky Dime Caper (Donald Duck game)
- Alladdin
- Asterix
- Master of Darkness/Vampire (another Castlevania)
- Castle of Illusion (Mickey Mouse)
- Sagaia
- Shinobi
- Alex Kidd in Miracle World
- E-Swat
- Wonderboy/Monica's Gang games
- Forgotten Worlds
- Fantasy Zone
- Cloud Master

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 03:40:22 2014 No.2033907 >>2033009 Your accusing me of never playing it when you've only just bought one ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:00:34 2014 No.2033928 >>2033037 Those are all horrible games

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:03:10 2014 No.2033932 >>2033928 To YOU maybe. I personally love the hell out of Shinobi and Fantasy Zone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:15:59 2014 No.2033943 >>2033928 Nope. Aside from the aggravating music, sms Ghostbusters was fun as hell. Did you only play the nes version?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:16:20 2014 No.2033945 >>2033932 So do I but not the shitty sms games ,you even mentioned space harrier which is horrific on the sms ,it might have been good in the 80s

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:19:34 2014 No.2033951 >>2033945 But...I didn't mention Space Harrier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:22:01 2014 No.2033956 >>2033945 What was wrong with the sms version of Fantasy Zone?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:30:15 2014 No.2033967 >>2032550 The hardware was better than the NES. If you owned one you wanted Sega arcade games at home. There was no other reason to have one because Nintendo strong armed all other third parties.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:02:33 2014 No.2034038 >>2033951 I thought you were the guy who I originally replied to

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:04:10 2014 No.2034040 >>2033956 It's not bad actually it's just that the game itself is only fun for about 1 minute

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:09:32 2014 No.2034048

>>2033967
I agree the arcade ports were what the sms was all about but even by the early 90s all the ports had been eclipsed by the megadrive ports let alone the arcade perfect offerings we have today,so apart from a handful of good games the sms just isn't relevant anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:20:03 2014 No.2034059 >>2034048 True, but the Genesis wasn't out in 86 when it hit the US. The amount of money I spent in the arcade on Sega games my dad caved and got me one.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:12:43 2014 No.2034083

>>2034048
>complaining about relevance on a board dedicated to ancient manchildren's toys hosted on a Korean cartoon website

Or maybe you could talk about the games you actually did enjoy for the system, and if you didn't, fuck off and let others have their enjoyment?

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:18:58 2014 No.2034087

Only problem I have with the SMS is it's sound/music. Some games are ok, but others...god damn they make me ears feel like they're going to bleed. That shit gives me a wicked headache.
Couldn't they have made a better quality sound chip, or did they just go with the cheapest possible?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:30:52 2014 No.2034096 >>2034087 yeah thats its main problem in my eyes. The only soundtrack I really enjoyed was Sonic the Hedgehog which btw is a great SMS game

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:33:57 2014 No.2034097 >>2034087 I don't think the problem is the chip, but the hardware bottlenecks around it. Neo Geo Pocket sounds amazing and it's basically the same chip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:35:19 2014 No.2034098 File: 23 KB, 438x469, 1413611164910.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2034040

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:52:44 2014 No.2034105

SMS is a good system to be aware of for anyone interested in retro gaming. It's successes are worth celebrating, but they are outshone by the incredible failures, especially at the beginning of the system's lifespan.

I think it's fascinating how they decided to put the marketing of the system in the hands of Tonka. Connecting that up with my early impressions of both systems certainly makes a lot of sense. I still remember the NES demo machine in Woolworth that hooked me the summer of it's release - even at that time the NES library seemed superior. Mostly just smoke and mirrors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 08:36:08 2014 No.2034147 >>2034048 >the sms just isn't relevant anymore Kind of feels like you're missing the point here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 09:08:08 2014 No.2034174 >>2034147 Ok il rephrase ,most of the library is not fun to play anymore because a bulk of the games are outdated ports

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 09:42:05 2014 No.2034203

>>2034174
But that's what I mean. Half the charm is seeing whats different and embracing those differences as part of history. You can say, "a bulk of the games are outdated ports", and it might be an accurate statement, but in the land of anonymity does one really want to exclude potentially good games based on someone else's interpretation of what is or isn't worth the time to play? At least playing them provides context as a matter of personal experience as opposed to taking someone's word for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 09:55:34 2014 No.2034227 >>2032550 The game Vampyre, a rip off Castlevania.. Soooo bad ass.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 11:41:27 2014 No.2034371

Why the fuck did they put the pause button on the console itself instead of the controller. Who thought that was a good idea.

Other than that I like the system, it's library isn't up to the standard of the NES, but it's still got a decent selection of great titles. I'm in the market for one atm but all I ever see around are model 2s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:05:27 2014 No.2034387 >>2033907 I may have only had it since june but I still have like 30+ games for it and most of the good stuff. It's a fun system that doesnt deserve all the shit you guys like to pile on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:09:58 2014 No.2034392 >>2032550 I'll agree with you OP. It's the most lackluster library of all sega consoles

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:14:43 2014 No.2034395 >>2034174 Rastan is still fun to play, it's different enough from the Arcade version to stand on it's own. You really suck at trying to make your point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:22:09 2014 No.2034402 >>2034371 just get the Power Base Converter

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:22:19 2014 No.2034403 >>2034392 Isn't that sega consoles in general? A few gems here and there and a bunch of trash?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:29:02 2014 No.2034412 >>2034403 nice bait, you could say the same thing about nintendo consoles

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:30:59 2014 No.2034416 [DELETED]

>>2034403
HAHAHAHAHAH the genesis has more good games than the SNES keep dreaming bud. The problem is you little nintendo dorks don't think something like decap attack is a great game because you only think about mario/zelda/metroid. I am a fan of all consoles and you're a biased idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:41:30 2014 No.2034434 >>2034416 >Snes >only mario/zelda/metroid Yeah right buddy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 12:57:17 2014 No.2034448 >>2034434 are you one of those delusional people that think turtles in time is better than just because it's on SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 16:51:08 2014 No.2034836 >>2032550 Wow, butthurt amerifag. Don't brag about your ignorance too much. The SMS was #1 by a wide-as-an-american margin in Europe where we had 10x as many great games as you got.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:07:28 2014 No.2034857

>brazilian tectoy games weren't very good

Agreed in parts. The Wonderboy hacks with Monica's gang characters were pretty fun, as hardly someone here could imagine seeing a game with those characters outside some LCD games, considering Brazil never had a great tradition developing games, it was a funny thing to see (even today I can't unsee Monica's plush bunny instead Shion's sword). But about the rest, you're not so wrong, you only talk as you are the only one who knows the truth. Although I grew up playing SMS, I feel it lacks "that title", like Castlevania (Master of Darkness is a nice ripoff though), Megaman games, Super Mario 3, Metroid and some others. It's a shame for a console with good titles like Psychic World, Shinobi, Sonic 2, Castle of Illusion, VF Animation and some nice arcade ports like Sagaia and Bonanza Bros.

Anyway, I'll let a music that always makes me happy about SMS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQARkLRiCM

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:16:05 2014 No.2034874 >>2034857 SMS had a few good soundtracks although the game sucks, the title track for Dragon always pumped me up and was burned into my brain ever since I heard it very C64 sounding imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BE-_FBpEs

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:20:31 2014 No.2034881

I seriously had more fun playing Wonder Boy In Monster Land than I have any NES game, I grew up with the NES and never played an SMS till this year. I had such a great time playing that game, just finding all the hidden gold, the secret passages, learning how to fight some of the bosses twice for extra money. It was just so much fun so it really baffles me when people say that none of the games are on par with the best NES titles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:31:43 2014 No.2034904 >>2034874 I think Vigilante for SMS is one of the best ports outside PCE version, and also has a neat soundtrack, even without the FM synth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPMDrffYAGo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:34:38 2014 No.2034914 Miracle Warriors is still my favourite game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:41:24 2014 No.2034932 >>2034836 Op here,I'm from the uk and the European games were shit,just because we got more games doesn't mean they were any good

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 19:36:39 2014 No.2035139 File: 45 KB, 165x180, 1382759649418.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2033485 here you go m8

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:04:05 2014 No.2035168

The only problem with the SMS is that its inevitably compared to the NES. If you don't enjoy it, fine. It's not a terrible system. Let people enjoy what they like, even if it's for reasons you somehow don't approve of. Its not like it affects you anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 29 04:04:29 2014 No.2036213 >>2035168 I'm not preventing anyone from enjoying anything

Anonymous Wed Oct 29 04:10:36 2014 No.2036218

Stick with original SMS games and you should be fine. Once you start playing ports of games from better systems the quality meddles.

I'll be quite frank with this but I don't have a lot of favorite SMS/NES games because the bar for how good a game should be was low during that era in my opinion. Then again, your favorite genre and tolerance of certain things may be different from the next person.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 29 05:19:09 2014 No.2036280 >shitty US gold conversions >implying murika produced something good back then >implying that games were not all japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 30 13:37:19 2014 No.2038915 >>2034932 U fokin wot? >Ultima IV >Ninja Gaiden >Power Strike 1 & 2 >Asterix >Land of Illusion And these games are considered to be the best the system has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 31 01:31:55 2014 No.2040149 >>2033512 even if he had stock in Nintendo, 3rd gen of 8 bit systems was over a long time ago.

Anonymous Fri Oct 31 18:39:59 2014 No.2041380

>>2034087
>>2034096
>>2034097
there was the FM synthesis module, but it was only available in nipland. Nowadays there's versions that work on NA systems, and there's also a modern third party PBC for the Genesis that has the FM synthesis hardware built in

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 31 18:48:46 2014 No.2041392 >>2034402 It's tempting, but I really like the design of the console itself. Practicality be damned.

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