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1999763 No.1999763 [Reply] [Original]

>Get to this battle
>Keep dying from doom counter
>Can't figure out what to do
>Look it up
>I'm supposed to use a specific move that the game never tells you how to do with a character i've never used before
>I'm supposed to figure this out in 90 seconds
Great game design, Square

>> No.1999768

Welcome.

>> No.1999770

Don't lie. It fucking tells you how to do it in-battle. Maybe if you'd stop button mashing and read the goddamn text.

>> No.1999774

It's also in the manual
OP is a dumb fuck

>> No.1999790

>Being this bad at video games

>> No.1999793

>>1999763
I figured it out when I was 8.
Are you fucking stupid son.

>> No.1999796

>>1999763
Damn, I forgot how ugly 6 can get at times. What an eyesore of a background.

>> No.1999804

>>1999770
This.

OP is a faggot once again.

>> No.1999805

>>1999770
>reading words.

pfft casual scum.

>> No.1999807

>>1999796
That looks like the GBA version, which would be uglier.

>> No.1999812

>>1999807
That's very obviously "FF3's" hideous font.

>> No.1999831

im 28 i have not played the game in prolly 15 years but isnt it bum rush the move>?

>> No.1999889

>>1999770

This. I know this because I literally just beat this part yeserday.

Also, the game makes a point to tell you THREE FUCKING TIMES. There are literally THREE SEPERATE MESSAGES in that battle that tell you what to do. It's repeated three fucking god damn times.

>Sabin: The Master's teachings... Must use a Blitz technique...
>Vargas: W...what the...!? He... already taught you that!?
>Sabin: If only you hadn't been in such a rush for power...

Then Sabin explains how to do it. That the game itself explains it. Then Edgar explains it again.

Fuck you, OP. Fuck you so much.

>>1999796

That background looks fucking great in-game. I marveled at it.

>> No.1999895

>>1999889

Fucking rekd

>> No.1999962

>>1999796
It's not that bad, though I do admit that I did some fine tuning with my Retron 5 to make it look better.

>> No.1999978

>>1999962
> Retron viral
Get the fuck out.,

>> No.2000160

If the battles takes a while and the player still hasn't figured out what to do, the game shows the inputs in the screen while explicitly stating you must use them to progress in the game.

It's like the game's saying "dude, since you are THIS stupid we'll show you exactly what you have to do, ok?"

>> No.2000247

I love FF6 but this part was poorly explained.

I actually saw how to do the command and everything, but I wasn't aware of how to confirm it. It took me about 10 minutes of trying my first time to get Blitz out correctly.

And I don't know if the manual says anything about it, because I didn't have access to one when I first played.

>> No.2000252

>bad game design

:^)

>> No.2000253

Jesus Christ OP, plenty of kids who played this in a foreign language at age 10 (or younger) had no trouble with this, including moi. No, I'm not French. Or Canadian.

>> No.2000316

>>2000247
It took you ten minutes to push a, left right left, then a again?

>> No.2000354

I ran into the opposite problem. I kept trying to blitz, but the game won't let me blitz until Vargas loses enough HP to prompt Pummel

I kept dying thinking my inputs were bad until I just gave up and spammed fight

>> No.2000357

>>2000316
I forgot to mention I failed a bunch of blitzes in that time.

>> No.2000358

>>2000316

Like when to push what. There's no feedback to what you're pressing until it either fails or succeeds. First time I tried it I thought one was supposed to enter the input in that little window between Sabin stepping forward and then failing the spell after the first prompt fades.

>> No.2000371

>>2000358
You explained it better than I could. That's exactly the issue with it.

It's not the biggest deal in the world, but it can be frustrating your first time on. There's room for improvement.

>> No.2000397
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>>1999763
That's like trying to fight Dark Cecil.

>> No.2000426

>>1999889

If only OP hadn't been in such a rush for power...

>> No.2000429

>>1999812
But he had to take a dig at the GBA version, so you know he's retro!

>> No.2000587

>>2000397
by paying attention to what the game is saying?

>> No.2000592

>inb4
I-I was pretending guys

>> No.2000612

>>2000358

Yeah, same here

>> No.2000614

>>1999812
>>1999796

so we hate ff6 now?

>> No.2000643

>11 year old me
>Fuck up horribly on this fight
>Go to bed wondering what I did wrong
>Beat fight next morning when I figure it out.

Even 11 year old me wasn't blaming the game. I guess the modern mentality is if you fail or lose or whatever, it's all the game's fault, poor design, w/e.

>> No.2000650

>>2000643

This is true. Whenever I couldn't beat a section as a kid, I knew it was my fault, I was too stupid, I was missing something, etc.

Now everybody's got the kind of mentality you mentioned. Everybody is like those kids in that Super Metroid image who can't get passed one of the earliest parts of the game and assume that it's because of a glitch

>> No.2000665

>>2000643
on the other hand, it might be because modern games' glitches are too common to be something that you'd readily expect, or the perception that old games are just chock full of glitches.

>> No.2000691

>>2000650
lol what part of Super Metroid, and do you got a link to that image? I need a good "today's gamers are retarded" kind of laugh

>> No.2000713

>>1999978
Using that logic:
>FF3/6 viral thread

>> No.2000735
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2000735

>>2000691

y cant metroid crawl?

>> No.2000837
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2000837

>>2000735
Fucking millennials is like they weren't born with intuition.

>> No.2000860

>>2000837
Fucking 90's kids is like they can't express themselves without their Youtube celebrity reaction images.

>> No.2000861

>>2000735
How do you open red doors anyway? I still haven't played any Metroid games. I need to get on that.

>> No.2000869

>>1999770
This

>People who blitz through dialog and exploration are insanely annoying

>> No.2000871

>>2000861
If you aren't retarded, you'll figure it out pretty much immediately.

>> No.2000873

>>2000861
Shoot them with missiles
The idea is that you will have shot open the blue doors with the default blaster already, so you would try to use a different type of ammo for the different door

>> No.2000874

>>2000871
Probably a special weapon or a charged shot I assume - if charge shots exist. I should bump Metroid to the top of my backlog actually.

>> No.2000878

>>2000861

Isn't this shit in the manual?

>> No.2000883

>>2000735
oh my god damn, that's almost as bad as people who didn't know you had to equip things in RPGs

>> No.2000891

>>2000735

>to do to that point you had to use the bomb at least once

I firmly believe people who haven't played the game or don't remember get mad over this. It was obviously bait from the beginning and people went in on the joke.

>> No.2000893

>doesn't tell you the Blitz input at all in this point and time

This is my issue with the whole 'YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KNOW'.
I knew it was a button combination but the game does a poor job at explaining it.

>> No.2000898

>>2000735
oh shit what

wasn't the thing that let you curl into a ball like the first thing you got in the whole game?

>> No.2000903

>>2000883
But the people in the first town always tell you that it's not enough to buy them, you need to equip them first.

>> No.2001320

>>2000000

>> No.2001332

>>2000643
>>2000665
Or maybe this part of the game was just poorly explained?

FF6 is great. Doesn't mean we can't pick at parts of the game for being flawed.

>>2000891
Very likely.

>> No.2001359

>>2000837
>>2000860
Um, I don't think you guys know what a Millennial is. They're in the workforce now. I'm 24 and both a millennial and a 90's kid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-millennials-are-coming/

>Literally all millennials grew up in the 90s to some degree.

>> No.2001361

>>2001359
Millennial birthdates go as far down as the early 1980s, so I laugh when I see that term used as a derogatory one, because there is a very good chance the person using it also falls into said category.

>> No.2001363

>>1999889
I remember that part, I just never knew how to do a Blitz until I read it in the manual. I saw the target selection come up and couldn't figure out why I couldn't select anything other than Sabin.

To be honest, I don't think there's a single other RPG out there that requires you to input fighting game moves, so if you were unfamiliar with that genre, it might give you some pause on entering them. I couldn't enter any of Sabin's blitzes that required a diagonal press for example because I was entering the commands one at a time (IE, press Down, release the pad then press Down-Right, release and press Right, etc). Thankfully, the only required Blitz in the game is pummel's left-right-left, which is very simple to input.

>> No.2001368

>>2001363
I think other games that rely on player input beyond menu commands typically do a much better job at it than FF6 did. Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and Shadow Hearts all come to mind.

Which is fine in a way, because as far as I can remember, FF6 was the first JRPG that did this.

>> No.2001826
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>>1999763
>I'm supposed to use a specific move that the game never tells you how to do with a character i've never used before
>the game never tells you how to do with a character i've never used before
>the game never tells you how
The game DOES very clearly tell you what to do.

>> No.2001930

>>2001826

You know what was my sad issue with this point? Whenever I selected Blitz, I never noticed the arrow on top of his head and pressed A and always got 'FAILED'.
Course this was the GBA version and I was quite tired. I think on my third attempt I stopped for a second to see if I could time out the Blitz and just noticed the arrow on his head.

>> No.2004083

>>2000898
It is the very first upgrade you get. Also, you need to use it to get out of the place you got it. Unless you know how to wall jump but that's definitely more difficult to pull off than pressing down twice.

>> No.2004124

>>2000614
I love FFVI but I think most of the graphics looks like a muddy mess.

>> No.2004138

>>1999962
Just how does the Retron 5 fine tuning work?

I am thinking about getting one for all my retro needs but I figured I would do some research first.

>> No.2004140

>>1999774
How many people these days still actually have the manual?

>>2000247
>>2000358
>>2000371

Even though the OP is an idiot, I don't know if people here are also as stupid or just haven't played this game in a while, but it's confusing to know exactly when to press the 3 button command.
If you input the buttons when you would intuitively think to do so having never before played the game, it will just say incorrect input, as you think you're selecting to begin the button sequence when in fact you are confiming you've finished its input.

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2004149

>>2000397
>he actually fights Dark Cecil

>> No.2004150

>>2000874
Bingo.

>> No.2004151

>>2004140
I do.

>> No.2004184

>>2004138
Sorry for the offtopic, but it looks great on a HD TV. You can fuck around with video filters, even put scanlines on if you want.
It's super neat.

>> No.2004328

>>2004140
The game tells you to
1. Select blitz
2. Push left right left
3. Push A

If you push left right left BEFORE selecting blitz, all you would do was bring up the defend command twice, which is obviously wrong.

How is ANY of this vague to anyone? How much clearer can it be?

>> No.2004403

>>2004328
Let me make this clear for you. When you select Blitz, a hand appears over your character, as if to select him. Anyone who has never played FF6 before but has played any other RPG would take this as an indication you are selecting your character, and then to input the blitz command afterwards.

But that isn't how it works. The game wants you to input the command WHILST the hand is hovered over your character, and never explains this, which is what leads to the great deal of frustration. It is completely unintuitive.

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>>2004403
It only takes one time of realizing "oh I need to actually input the buttons here" to forever overcome this "great deal of frustration".

This game is really fucking old, and doesn't come with the conveniences that modern game design insists on having. I figured this out in the third grade, I'm pretty sure you can figure it out too.

In any case, if your panties are gonna be in such a twist about it, just play the mobile version.

>> No.2004449

>>2004403
You select Blitz and then you notice nothing is happening. The game told you to press buttons and then hit A.
If you press anything that isn't the right command you get a FAILED message.
So that makes it clear enough that after selecting Blitz you're meant to hit the exact sequence of buttons you're told to and then hit A again.

I agree that it's unintuitive but the game is very clear about what to do with this new system it's presenting. It spells it out. It could have been just in the manual but unlike most other games it's actually told to you in-game.
How, HOW can you not get it?

>> No.2004468

>>2004440

why is it so fucking ugly

>> No.2004495

I emulated it, and even though it took me a while to figure when to input the move, all was forgiven when i realized that blitz was like special inputs from fighting games and it did tons of damage at no cost

why did i had to lose my save once and then get the save of my second playtrough locked, both with lots of hours in, dammit, I wanted to beat that gay clown

>> No.2004517

>>2004449
>How, HOW can you not get it?
He just told you.

>> No.2004551

>>2004449
>>2004440

Actually, since the game then tells you 'incorrect input' your first instinct is 'oh, I must have entered the sequence wrong', so then you keep trying making sure you're pressing the 3 buttons correctly, but still at the wrong time. Unless logic works differently for you or something. The error message serves only to work against you.

I love how you're so desperate to defend such a poorly designed game mechanic though. It's quite funny.

>> No.2004553

>>2004140
>How many people these days still actually have the manual?
That's totally irrelevant, because when the game was released, everyone had a manual. And today everyone can find one on replacementdocs or wherever.

>> No.2004561

>>2004553
>That's totally irrelevant, because when the game was released, everyone had a manual.

That...that isn't true.

I traded games with friends and family and had a nice chunk of games obtained second hand.

I'm not going project my experiences to everyone, but I know someone else shares them, and you'd be naive to think otherwise.

>> No.2004568

>>2004551
I like how Legend of Legaia handled this system a lot better. It just feels smoother in general.

>> No.2004569

>>2004561
If you buy or obtain second-hand games without the manuals then it's your problem. not the games.

>> No.2004573

>>2004553
>>2004569
We're in the year 2014, not 1994. Most second hand copies of Final Fantasy 3 are cart only, and do not contain the manual. That is a fact.

>> No.2004578

>>2004569
Has nothing to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that.

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2004730

>>2000735
That image made me think of this.

>> No.2004739

>>2004730
Thank you for this. I saw this gif so long ago and forgot to save it. Will repost the next time people complain about "kids these days".

>> No.2006286

>>2000869
>tfw blaze through dialog on 2x emulator speed
>FFVI was still easy as fuck
>Gau still raped everything even without knowing how the fuck he worked

unlike FFIV were I did that shit and got my ass kicked because most of my party were squishy wizards

>> No.2006294

>>2004551
I'm just astounded that someone is actually complaining this much about it, and even moreso that someone actually got a game over because of it. It's kind of pathetic.

>> No.2006335

>>2004551
I know that feel, bro. I played the PlayStation version of FF6, and couldn't quite get the correct inputs on the shitty 3rd party d-pad I was stuck with at the time. Luckily it had analog sticks, which weren't perfect but had me covered.

>> No.2006352

>>2004551
>i couldn't figure it out
>so it's poorly designed
lel

>> No.2006430

>>2006352
How is not explaining something then tricking you into thinking you're not pressing the right buttons anything but bad design?

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2006435

>>2004140
>>2004403
>>2004551
>>2006430
moderngamers.txt

>> No.2006436

>>2006430
See >>2001826

>> No.2006443

>I'm supposed to use a specific move that the game never tells you how to do with a character i've never used before

Fucking LOL

I bet you're one of the people who asked trade how to begin the quest for the new WoW patch even though the game literally gave it to you when you logged in, aren't you?

>> No.2006446

>>2006436
See>>2004403>>2004551

>>2006435
ebin

>> No.2006479

I agree, Blitz was very unintuitive. I got stuck a long time there during my first playthrough (it doesn't help that I'm not a native English speaker and I was 12), and I never figured it out on my first playthrough, IIRC I used savestates to beat the guy without Blitz, he does die after a lot of normal hits, but you have to get really lucky. Took me several playthroughs to figure out how it really works.

>> No.2006493

>>2004551

This is absolutely pathetic, I was dominating this game when I was a child yet here you are as an autistic adult defending your own stupidity

>> No.2006503

>>2006493

Ah yes, don't have an argument? Commence the shitposting. Never change.

>> No.2006504

>>2006446

there are a lot of 12 year olds who seemed to figure it out without much of a problem.

how does it feel to be dumber than the average 12 year old?

>> No.2006514

>>2006503

The game literally teaches you how to do it, what's left to be said has already been said, all that's left to be said is you're a complete moron for 1. complaining about a children's game and 2. still not grasping it

Hell, there's even a menu in-game that shows you all the blitzs

I can only hope you're a troll but I assume you're just a very, very, very (insert infinite very here) dumb adult

>> No.2006525

>>2006504
There are 12 year olds balls deep in some pussy right now which is more than you've achieved. So I guess it doesn't feel too bad.

>>2006514
As has already been said, the game tells you how to do it, just not when to do it. Stop re-iterating the same bullshit argument that has already been proven wrong. You're acting as if you've never played the game.

>> No.2006530

>>2006525

No I played it, had trouble with it once and then figured it out, as a child

You played it, couldn't figure it out multiple times and had to come to 5chin to have a good cry about it, as an adult

Don't breed

>> No.2006535

>>2006493
Your life peaked with FF6 didn't it?

It was a great game, but damn.

>> No.2006537

>>2006525

>There are 12 year olds balls deep in some pussy right now which is more than you've achieved. So I guess it doesn't feel too bad.

>projecting this hard

>> No.2006541

>>2006530
>You played it, couldn't figure it out multiple times and had to come to 5chin to have a good cry about it, as an adult
Show me where i've said that in this thread. I'll be waiting.

>> No.2006543

>>2006535

>no argument
>y-your life
>just projecting

Alright, I get you're insecure but this isn't the time or place anon

>> No.2006545

>>2006525
>the game tells you how to do it, just not when to do it

You didn't have an "Ah-ha!" moment when the game gave you this sweet new ability. You honestly didn't immediately want to use this sweet new ability that the game just gave you?

Fuck you, man!

There is your toll, troll.

>> No.2006546

>>2006541

You just have yourself a good cry anon, when you get to the next 20+ year old game that asks what 1+1 is you can come back and start it all over

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2006550

>>2006546
You really are out of arguments then. Boy it sure does feel good knowing you're right.

>> No.2006553

>>2006543
That was my first post in that exchange. I'm not even the dude you were talking to originally.

>> No.2006561

>>2006553

I'm aware of that?

>>2006550

There's no argument to be had, you simply couldn't figure out 1+1 and had to come here to cry about it, it's just lame anon

>> No.2006567

>>2006561
Lame is insulting other people over an anonymous imageboard for no reason and no gain. It won't improve your life any. All the best Anon.

>> No.2006573

>>2006567

Have a good one, it's not my life that needs improving, it's his and maybe with a little humility he could control his faggotry

But probably not, you keep white-knighting those crybabies though, it'll pay off someday

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>>2006573
>>2006550

>> No.2006589

>>1999763
So what's the best version of this game now? GBA+Sound/Color fixes or SNES original?

>> No.2006597

>>2006589
The general consensus seems to be what ever your localization preference is. Personally, I don't have a preference. I didn't play FFVI until the PSX version, which has it's own translation, and I was perfectly satisfied with that. Some people bitch and moan about loading times, but it never bothered me none.

>> No.2006626

ITT: A thread that should have already died

>> No.2007037

>>2000426
I lol'd

>> No.2007048

>>2006581
>old pic from 2004
Thanks anon.

>> No.2007062

>>2006597
>which had it's own translation
Not really. It's the SNES with minor modifications mostly. They did very little work on it, about as much as FFV on the PS1 got as a whole.

>>2006589
Pastebin for you: http://pastebin.com/qZighVrF

>> No.2007228

>>2001363

Fucking pleb. You can double up on the actual directions instead of doing the diagonals

>> No.2007286

>>2000397
I still do this day don't know if it actually makes a difference what you do during that fight. I've tried sitting doing nothing through it and I've tried beating the shit out of him, it seems to have the same effect no matter what. Best explanation I've found is that his dark wave probably causes enough self-damage that it will eventually kill him, though hitting him makes it go faster.

>> No.2007665

>>2006597
Hm. I guess I was wondering since I played the GBA version years ago on the actual GBA, and it was okay, but I can't really remember anything about it. I was going to go with the SNES version because I'm going to emulate it anyway and I have a nice CRT for emulation of games at 480ish that, due to the way I current have it set up, doesn't really work nice for GBA games. For those, I play on my LCD, but they don't look as good, even across the room since they were obviously made for a smaller screen.

>> No.2009406

>>1999831
Bum Rush was the final Blitz.

>> No.2010610

>>1999889

Not only that, if you flub it or just attack him, you'll get more messages telling you how to use Pummel.

>> No.2010613

>>2000247

Seconding this, when I was 10 I had no idea when to actually use the Blitz command. I kept trying it after confirming no-input, and then doing it on or before the flash Sabin performed just before the Blitz. I just thought my timing was awful or something.

The game COULD have been a little clearer, saying that you needed to input the command while the cursor is still over Sabin.

>> No.2010617

>>2007286

...what? The battle ends automatically after two Darkness attacks, if you haven't attacked.

Stand there and take them or defend through them, and it's over practically instantly.

>> No.2011934

>>2007286
>if you want to win, do not attack now
The game tells you to not fight your darkness. Also it ends in a few seconds anyways