SaGa thread

[Anonymous No.1989057]

Though MinSon and Unlimited aren't retro.
Not like anyone except me liked Unlimited anyway.

[Anonymous No.1989073]

>unlimited saga

I tried to like this game and its concepts, I think it would have been better if the battles themselves didn't have that shitty slot system.

The board game concept I could live with.

[Anonymous No.1989082]

>>1989073
I actually didn't like the Reel system out of battles, using like, 30 reels just to open a chest was madness at the beginning of the game, if you know how to play though, Reels are insignificant.

What I didn't like was that there was no classic map exploration anymore, the board game interface in the map really killed me.
All the rest was great, though you really need to know your shit.

[Anonymous No.1989162]

The Kyuyakuu Megami Tensei translator is working on Romancing SaGa 1, by the way.

http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18590.0.html

[Anonymous No.1989175]

>>1989162
Why in the world of fuck would he do that and not RSaGa2? We already have the Minstrel's Song, for fuck's sake.

Translators are autistic pieces of shit, as always.

[Anonymous No.1989183]

>>1989175
Not him but MinSon has A LOT of missing text compared to the original RomaSaGa, the gameplay is also very different.

Do you remember the Geckling quest in Oapu? In MinSon you only get the dialogue with the attendant whereas in SNES RomaSaGa Hawke discovers that it was a slavery business set up by the Butcher and swears he'll make him pay for that too.

I do agree that RomaSaGa 2 would be more important, Gideon Zhi is working on that though, so maybe you'll see something in 2020 if you're lucky. The game's easy enough if you know basic moonrunes, and believe me, it's amazing.
I think I restarted it for the fourth time because it's so damn good.

[Anonymous No.1989192]

>>1989183
I forgot, it also has one of the most emotional boss battle and themes in the series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5vcW_tu-g
And this is the arranged version by Ito from the latest SaGa album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_gwhlpHXF4

[Anonymous No.1989197]

>>1989175
From what I've read, he started the RS1 translation ages ago and left it on hiatus until now (this happened in 2005, so, before MS came out).
A large part of the game is already translated, and they are currently on beta testing. The beta patch(es) are available in the thread.

[Anonymous No.1989258]

>>1989183
>Not him but MinSon has A LOT of missing text compared to the original RomaSaGa, the gameplay is also very different.
I don't know if you would consider that "good" though. I heard it was hella buggy and incomplete in general

[Anonymous No.1989261]

>>1989192
I kind of prefer the 7 Heroes battle theme more, which I feel didn't get much attention until much recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbp_jvDgME

[Anonymous No.1989271]

>>1989258
I didn't say it's good, just different.

The games are actually very different they only have some things in common like characters and general settings, you might as well consider them different games altogether.
>I heard it was hella buggy and incomplete in general
I don't know about that, I know there are the usual bugs regarding battles but frankly all of the SaGa games until Frontier had a few bugs, that doesn't stop them from being good though.

I do think that SNES RomaSaGa explains some minor lore things better than MinSon but I don't think people would play it just for that, I too didn't do all the characters' quests anyway. It has a few things that are quite interesting though, you can decide a character's parents profession to establish his stats and class for instance which is pretty cool, the battle system is kinda dynamic and more reliant on positions than MinSon though there are not LPs and so on, there's a lot to talk about really.
>>1989261
I prefer Kujinshi's theme because it had a great build up in Gerald's story and I liked the whole Gerard story arc, a shame it's used as a common boss battle theme later on.
The Last Battle theme is also amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgKHB_pfi7Q

There's this thing about RomaSaGa II, it's more emotional and sad compared to the other games in the series, and it's reflected very well in the soundtrack.
While the other games have a more upbeat and adventurous style, RomaSaGa II has more of a tragic tone, the whole story about the seven Heroes is perhaps the biggest drama in the game and one of the most memorable in the series. It's my favorite title in the SNES trilogy, even though RomaSaGa III is much more polished.

[Anonymous No.1989332]

I've been playing Minstrel Song and I try to recruit the Minstrel every chance I get because of who he is (even if he's not the best character out there) but I heard you can't use in the last quests? What a let-down...

[Anonymous No.1989346]

>>1989332
>but I heard you can't use in the last quests? What a let-down...
Yup, unless you use a gameshark, that is.
He'll leave permanently once you reach EP 20 if I'm not mistaken, he's needed to trigger a special quest.

Also, he's not that great compared to others, especially Silver or Barbara so you would want to have better party members until you got a firm grasp of the game.

[Anonymous No.1989525]

I forgot to mention, for those who didn't follow the SaGa festival a few months ago, it seems they're going to announce a new SaGa game at the end of the year, whether it's going to be a new entry or a remake has not been stated but Kawazu said they're indeed working on it.

Just hope it won't be as disappointing as Emperor's SaGa, though the possibility is very high.

[Anonymous No.1989536]

>>1989057
Wait....is the Ginnie Knights in the top right with the wood cane? What is she doing in that picture? She's SaGa Frontier 2.

[Anonymous No.1989538]

>>1989525
sadly it'll probably be for some system that I don't own and never will

[Anonymous No.1989539]

>>1989525
Plot twist: SE fires Kawazu and he and his team announce SaGagaga.

[Anonymous No.1989543]

>>1989536
Actually on second viewing, that is not her.
You can tell i've only really touched the Frontier games (but for gods sakes, it's so difficult to know what the heck you're doing in the Romancing series)

[Anonymous No.1989585]

>>1989538
I think it's going to be for the 3DS since he said in a recent interview that he liked its "potential" AKA user installbase. Which sucks considering the 3DS' hardware and region lock.
>>1989539
Kawazu might be the king of fuck ups but SaGa wouldn't be as good as it is without him
>>1989543
She's Ginny, it's a picture for the SaGa anniversary so there are representatives for each saga title.
>SaGa 1/2/3 human protagonists
>RomaSaGa Claudia/The Minstrel
>RomaSaGa II Last Emperor/Empress
>RomaSaGa III Monica/Mikhail/Leonid
>SaGa Frontier Asellus/White Rose
>SaGa Frontier II Ginny Knights
>Unlimited: Saga Armic

[Anonymous No.1989592]

>>1989585
eh, I forgot Albert for the RomaSaGa team...

[Anonymous No.1989796]

>>1989592
You also forgot Ventus from Unlimited

[Anonymous No.1990286]

>>1989796
I also see Asellus being a lesbo in there too

[Anonymous No.1991058]

>>1989796
Right, gotta get my shit together.

If anyone is still interested in RomaSaGa III you can download a lot of cool mods and patches from here http://www3.atwiki.jp/romancing/

There's a lot of cool stuff you might want to try out.

[Anonymous No.1991114]

>>1991058
I tried these mods recently, cool and adds quite a bit of stuff to them but I still prefer 2 over 3...

Speaking of which, wonder if there's any cool RS2 mods? Adding the new stuff from the (groan) cellphone only version would be nice

[Anonymous No.1991119]

>>1991114
>but I still prefer 2 over 3

Same here, RomaSaGa 3 feels more polished but there isn't nearly as much freedom as 2.
I also like the character designs more.
>any cool RS2 mods?
There isn't much afaik, I think there are a few patches for character sprites that make them look like the artworks but nobody made a patch for the new contents from the mobile version.
Anyway if it isn't on the atwiki I doubt anyone has made anything as that's the hub of the JP SaGa modders.

I've been thinking about doing something myself since there are those neat edit tools but I don't have enough time to put some serious effort into it, not to mention that right now I can only do the graphical part, I didn't learn anything about coding patches so it would take me even more time.

[Anonymous No.1993242]

Shameless bump

[Anonymous No.1993251]

>>1989183
>Gideon Zhi
That guy is working on that game since 2004
so don´t expect anything from him until 2025

[Anonymous No.1993280]

>>1993251
Truth to be told, the game's so easy I could do a script in a few months for the speech bubbles, and there are tons of FAQs already for everything else.

[Anonymous No.1994118]

>>1989525

>SaGa festival

Educate an ignorant anon. What is the SaGa festival?

[Anonymous No.1994201]

>>1994118
A few months ago there was a literally Festival event in the Saga prefecture of Japan where they teamed up with Square Enix (because pun, geddit)

Stuff like SaGa themed cafes/food, SaGa pottery/art and all those stuff were on display there

[Anonymous No.1994732]

>>1994201
If there wasn't an Alkaiser appearance it didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.1994812]

>>1994201

That's incredible. I hope we see another legitimate entry in the main series because a festival demands creations that are a bit more serious than f2p casual touchscreen games.

[Anonymous No.1994813]

>>1994732
As far as I know there was some pottery with Red on it but I didn't see any Alkaiser stuff, maybe Itoken played the theme during one of the concerts but it was mainly about Romancing SaGa rather than the other games, even the website only had RomaSaGa cameos.

I think you can find something on Ebay since scalpers went crazy with that stuff.
After all most of them were all unique handmade pieces of art done by some Saga prefecture traditional potters and handpainted by Tomomi Kobayashi, if you're a collectionist they're worth quite a lot, not to menton the inherent artistic value.
There were even some lovely sake sets that had printed sprites form the games.

[Anonymous No.1994823]

What other games in the SaGa series would you guys recommend to someone who enjoyed 1 more than 2?

[Anonymous No.1994824]

>>1994823
You mean SaGa Frontier or Romancing SaGa?

[Anonymous No.1994827]

>>1994824
I mean the original SaGa games on the GB, the ones that came over as Final Fantasy Legends.

[Anonymous No.1994832]

>>1994827
Well, I'd say SaGa Frontier since it retains the classes from the old SaGa games, so you still have Human/Mecha/Monsters/Mystic characters, the class system is a bit different but it's the most similar to those, of course the general system is also much more expanded compared to the old GB games, if you're a /m/an you'll appreciate it even more because there's a classic Sentai protagonist and even a Mecha protagonist with really good storylines, it's also a great introduction to the rest of the series imho since it's a bit easy and more relaxed compared to the other titles.

It's also the only SaGa out of the first trilogy with Mecha in it, except RomaSaGa II which has a mecha character which is more comedic than anything, her LP is no joke though.

[Anonymous No.1994840]

>>1989162
he is doing god's work

[aceman No.1994867]

One day RS2 will be fully translated.

At least I hope so.

[Anonymous No.1994870]

>>1994867
One day it will be.

[aceman No.1994876]

>>1994870
Yeah.

It just might take a while but hell I've waited longer for other things.

[Anonymous No.1994890]

>>1994876
I'd really like to have enough time to seriously work on a script translation but right now it's impossible.
The game doesn't even have many actors, the problem is that many things will change as it's extremely non linear, so the same character may have up to 3 or 4 different lines for a story event, I could do all the Gerald's generation script in a few weeks if I had enough time as that is more linear than the rest of the game, from there on though...

Cat a qt

[Anonymous No.1995289]

Rocbocquet gave me a Femdom fetish.

I don't have any related pic to go along with that statement.

[Anonymous No.1995292]

>>1995289
She truly is the Queen of the Jungle

[aceman No.1995379]

>>1995289
I see.

[Anonymous No.1995424]

>>1989057

Not retro but i need to talk saga...

Are we all in agreement that The Last Remnant was a saga game.

>characters spark techniques
>weird battle system
>life points

And many other things. The only thing im unsure of, is if the guy who developed the saga games worked on it.

Anyone know.

[Anonymous No.1995426]

>>1995289
I won't be here for the weekend so I'll give you some extra dose.

[Anonymous No.1995431]

>>1995424
He did.
LR is basically a game based on RomaSaGa 3 Commander mode.

[Anonymous No.1995438]

[Anonymous No.1995439]

Japs love the Bouquet.

[Anonymous No.1995446]

>>1995424
>is if the guy who developed the saga games worked on it.

Yes, some of the guys that worked on the Saga series since Romancing SaGa worked in TLR.

[Anonymous No.1995449]

But really, how can you blame her.
>Exile all the women
>Get an entire village of sex slaves of all ages
>/ss/ all day erryday

She was living the dream

[Anonymous No.1995450]

>>1995431
I fucking love the last remnant. But i love frontier and minstrel song a little more. with RS 3 as my fav. Where else can you get a god damned elephant or kung fu lobster in your party. no where but RS

[Anonymous No.1995456]

>>1995450
Boston and Zo are the shit, you need to play RomaSaGa 2 and get Coppelia with motherfucking 99 LP

[Anonymous No.1995475]

And enough Bouquet for today.

[Anonymous No.1995479]

Also, lobsters

[Anonymous No.1995486]

>>1995456
You two is pretty cool. i like the mole guys. But dude, i can get mother fuckin Robin (i prefer the fake robin) in RS 3

[Anonymous No.1995489]

>>1995479
oh shit, i forgot about the snow man charactet in 3. yeah 3 was the best

[Anonymous No.1995490]

And everyone's hero besides Alkaiser

[Anonymous No.1995517]

>>1995486
Robin was probably the best part of RomaSaGa 3.

>Get to Zweig Tournament
>Uh alright, Guess I'll put Robin first to trim the competition a bit, he's my weakest character now
>Win against the goblin team
>Win against the women team, thanks Screwdriver
>Win against Dinosaurs
>Okay okay, I'm just laucky this can't be true
>Last round against demon team
>Oh shit Robin, they're too strong
>Learn Matador
>Learn Evasion skills
>Become literally untouchable
>Robin singlehandedly wins the Zweig Tournament

HEAVEN KNOWS, EARTH KNOWS AND ROBIN KNOWS

[Anonymous No.1995520]

Last pic of my retro waifu for today, I hope the thread won't die in the weekend, I'm out to see some relatives and I won't have internet.

[Anonymous No.1996581]

I still gotta get through SaGa Frontier 2, Star Egg is the worst goddamn wall if you haven't gotten all the quells.

[Anonymous No.1996590]

RS3fag here. Bought the 3 games for the SNES.

[Anonymous No.1996592]

>>1994832
Hey, I'm late with this post, but I wanted to say thanks for the suggestion. I may look into it after I'm done with this horror binge of mine.

[Anonymous No.1996597]

>>1995292
>>1995379
>>1995426
>>1995431
>>1995438
>>1995439
>>1995449
>>1995475
Seeing as those full-art pictures of Rocbocquet is always kind of funny when her original sprite was this.

>>1995456
>>1995450
I swear, when I learned that "Zo" was the Japanese word for elephant and not exactly his specific name (unless he's an Elephant who decided to name himself Elephant), my face was all :|

>>1995520
I feel like I should know this character... but... like I said, Saga art -> Sprites = ????

[aceman No.1996628]

>>1996597
Yeah kinda I suppose.

Still it's not really bad.

[Anonymous No.1997103]

Is rs3 hack allowed in /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1997529]

How many of these SaGa games are available in english?

[aceman No.1997560]

>>1997529
Hm let's see.

The Game boy ones are all in English.

Romancing SaGa 3 has an almost finished fan translation out there.

The remake of Romancing SaGa 1 for the PS2 is in English as well.

Both SaGa frontiers for PS1 are in English too.

There's also the DS remakes of the Game boy versions of 2 and 3 which were fan translated.

And the wonderswan remake of the first Game boy SaGa game that was also fan translated.

And lastly there's Unlimited SaGa for PS2.

And I think I got them all.

[Anonymous No.1997813]

By the way...

[Anonymous No.1998582]

>>1997813
I wish this guy had the sort of translation dedication and speed that the guy behind Kichikuou Rance and Toushin Toshi 2 did.

As is, time to wait for 2030!

(Actually I can read enough JP for RS2 so not being in English isn't much of an annoyance for me)

[Anonymous No.1998612]

>>1997813

What's been up with this nigga lately? He seems to be updating us on a lot more progress than he used to. Is it just because of social networking or what? He's been apparently making rapid progress in SMT:If... and now there's this.

Just curious. Good show, though. He's introduced me to a lot of great games.

[aceman No.1998614]

>>1997813
Great.

The only thing that can make this better is fucking SRW Alpha stuff.

[Anonymous No.1998659]

>>1998582
>Kichikuou Rance and Toushin Toshi 2

PC games are kinda easy to translate compared to console games. The hacking required for PC games is usually minimum and there are lots of tools for it.

[Anonymous No.1999687]

>>1998582
>Kichikuou Rance good game but wasnt even part of the main series, should have been focusing on 5D.

[Anonymous No.1999702]

>>1999687
Having played 5D...

Not... really.

[Anonymous No.1999753]

Oddly, I've enjoyed the hell out of this SaGa clone, Genius of Sappheiros, but I couldn't get into the main series at all. Is the translation of RS3 in an acceptable state?

[Anonymous No.1999785]

>>1989057
Unlimited would be good if the fights didn't take fucking FOREVER.

[Anonymous No.2000449]

>>1999753
yes

[Anonymous No.2000919]

>>1999753
>Is the translation of RS3 in an acceptable state?
Kind of but really ultra borderline there.

The text is really dry and a clear sign of "direct translation" and the translator made some basic flubs like translating the word "Amai" in the wrong context as "Sweet!"

But it's certainly enough to play the game I suppose

[Anonymous No.2000942]

>>2000919
This and some status graphics are untranslated. SaGa for me has always been about the battling instead of story and dialogue for the most part anyway, and for that it gets the job done.

...Well, SaGa Frontier 2 is an exception to that rule, but that was the point.

[Anonymous No.2001450]

>>1996581
Be sure to kill the Stone, Tree and Flame lords, it becomes much easier, if you feel badass you can also try to go for a full run, but you'll definitely need all the Quells you can find and a good skillset.
>>1996590
My nigger!
>>1996597
She's Emerald, the female Court Mage that teaches fire magic to Gerald
>>1999785
The beginning is kinda rough but one you get to good quests like any of the seven wonders you can get strong really fast, given that you know how to train your characters, how to build your panels, how to smith, how to get magic tablets etc.

Nice to see the thread is still up.

[Anonymous No.2001591]

>>2001450
>She's Emerald, the female Court Mage that teaches fire magic to Gerald
Huh, how weird.

Outside of the named characters, I always thought of most of the characters in RS2 as "recruitable generics" with snazzy naming schemes rather than actual characters.

[Anonymous No.2001627]

>>2001591
>I always thought of most of the characters in RS2 as "recruitable generics" with snazzy naming schemes rather than actual characters.

Not really, I'm probably going to blow your mind but all the classes have a set of name that refers particular things.

>All the female Court Mages are named after precious stones
>All male Court Mages are named after Zodiac signs
>All Heavy Infantry dudes are named after big/shelled animales except Ferdinand
>Light Infantry males are named after American Presidents while females are named after actresses
>Male and Female Rangers are named after European Kings/Queens/Rulers
>Male and Female Free Fighters are named after Greek Heroes
>Male Free Mages are named after Stars while Female Free Mages are named after Flowers or Herbs
>Male Imperial Guards are named after famous Generals while Female Imperial Guards are named after Roman Goddesses
>All Tacticians are named after Chinese/Japanese strategists
>All Eastern Guards are named after japanese swordsmen
>All Desert Guards are named after characters from The Arabian Nights
>All Amazons are named after various Heroines
>Male Nomads are named after Mongolian Rulers while Female Nomads are named after middle eastern female literary figures/legends
>Male and Female Holy Orders are named after Catholic Saints
>Ocean women are named after famous Singers
>Privateers are named after seafarers or pirates
>All martial artists are named after Wrestlers
>All Male thieves are named after birds while Female Thieves are named after swift little animals
>All Salamanders are named after Volcanoes
>All Nereids are named after Greek Nymphs
>All Irises have named reminiscent of the sky or atmospheric phenomenons

Regarding Herders, hunters and Molemen I don't really get the references, but I'm sure there's a pattern there too.

RomaSaGa 2 is DEEPer than you'd think, oh and the Seven Heroes' names are anagrams of some of Tokyo's metro stations.

[Anonymous No.2001640]

>>2001627
And yes, some of those have some unique roles, but they're mostly the ones that start a generation, Emerald was the one that taught magic to Gerard while Sofia was the leader of Cumberland's resistance, Karl was the monk that destroyed the demons in the cave, etc.

Most of them have a definite role in the games' story, and the there are others that become legendary in their own generic right, like Hannibal who was the most popular RomaSaGa 2 Character in the last polls despite being a super generic Imperial Guard.
So famous they even gave him his own desing in Emperor's SaGa.

[Anonymous No.2001683]

>>2001627
>Regarding Herders, hunters and Molemen I don't really get the references, but I'm sure there's a pattern there too.
Herders: Nordic names (e.g Olaf, Erik, Snorri)
Hunters: Seems to be names of indigenous tribes
Molemen: Types of soil, usually removing the really obvious "sol" particle from the end (e.g グライ = Gley, from "Gleysol")

[aceman No.2001761]

>>2001627
>RomaSaGa 2 is DEEPer than you'd think, oh and the Seven Heroes' names are anagrams of some of Tokyo's metro stations.
Huh well ain't that something.

[Anonymous No.2001780]

>>2001683
>Herders: Nordic names (e.g Olaf, Erik, Snorri)
Funny since the herders live in the south.
>Hunters: Seems to be names of indigenous tribes
Idon't know about that one, I've always wondered about this but never did some research
>Molemen: Types of soil, usually removing the really obvious "sol" particle from the end (e.g グライ = Gley, from "Gleysol")
Now this is interesting, but how about the poster Moleman Cielo, it means Sky in a few languages...
>>2001761
Funnily enough, the official romaji don't reflect that as Kujinshi is called Kzinssie, but it was supposed to be an anagram of Shinjuku...

[Anonymous No.2001840]

>>2001780
The 11s don't seem to know what most of the Hunters are named after either, they could only figure out 3

I got this info from a Korean page but...
クワワ (Canada Kwakiutl tribe)
オセイ (USA Osage tribe)
ケチェワ (Peruvian Quechua tribe)

As for Cielo? Well, that's kind of a mistranslation, I suppose... so what's it supposed to be?

http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/543321/sierozem

Also the "official" Kzinssie" spelling is hilarious in a wtf kind of way.

[Anonymous No.2001852]

>>2001840
Yeah, Cielo is a bit strange, I don't think we'll ever get a clear answer for that.

And yeah, poor Kujinshi has to suffer even for his name, I remember I saw the romaji first in an advertisement for Lord of Vermilion 2 when they made a SaGa collab and it sounded too retarded to be true, turns out even in the last Itoken Album they refer to him as Kzinssie.

Though to be fair, it still is better than Bokuohn being retconned from old puppetmaster to glam rock youngster, at least Kujinshi's design remained pretty consistent through the years.

[Anonymous No.2001868]

>>2001852
>Yeah, Cielo is a bit strange, I don't think we'll ever get a clear answer for that.
Umm... that link right there...

("Siero"zem, low, gray-brown soils, and the word "Siero" would probably be romanized in a similar way to "Cielo")

I did a search online and this seems to be the widely accepted answer amongst the JP community.

This seems like a cool resource for just about every name.

http://page.freett.com/enter_nor/03_rs2/char_f/char2.htm

[Anonymous No.2001880]

>>2001868
I read the stuff in the link,sorry I phrased my post a bit awkwardly.
What I was thinking about is the fact that Cielo is indeed a weird romanization, especially since there's no zem at all, but all the names intentionally miss the last part of the original quote anyway.

That last link was quite nice though, very accurate descriptions.

[Anonymous No.2001996]

Saiva from the Romancing SaGa Ultimania; it's from her the 3 Dark Gods and Elore were Born. Elore before she was defeated and the 3 Dark Gods from her body after her defeat. Ironically it was Elore that helped bring about her downfall as she wanted to use him to defeat Marda. It was also because of Saiva that the Main Gauche (Left Hand Sword) even exists because that sword is the same "Needle" Saiva used to create Elore.

[Anonymous No.2002019]

>>2001996
I remember that page, a shame that most of the lore doesn't make it in the games, just like it's a shame they cut most of the stuff regarding Johan in SaGa Frontier 2, you have to read the novel to truly appreciate an already great character.

[Anonymous No.2002528]

>>2000919
>context
>i have autism and watch faux news

the fan patch just werkz.

[Anonymous No.2003841]

>>2002528
Not the Anon you're responding to but the fan patch does have a lot of parts that aren't really well translated and most of the characters don't really convey their personality well, Mikhail and Harid are perhaps the ones who suffered most regarding protagonists, some parts are good though, like Robin's event, the Professor etc.