Retro Shmups Thread

[Anonymous No.1988793]

What are ya scoring in, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.1989360]

>>1988793
Guardian Legend, mostly old Compile stuff. Got tired of Xevious a while back.

[Anonymous No.1989372]

Haven't played one in a while, but i've been feeling like playing Gaiares lately so hopefully i'll get some time to get around to that soon.

Also, i've barely played any shmups and don't really know much about the genre. What are some good entry-level shmups to git gud with?

[Anonymous No.1989375]

>>1989372

Just dive into R-Type and start memorizing nigga, its slow and methodical but is a bullshit checkpoint based shmup so you gotta git gud to make it through.

[Anonymous No.1989394]

>>1989372
> good entry-level shmups
Gunbird !

[Anonymous No.1989416]

Menace
Blood Money
Xenon II

[Anonymous No.1989426]

Gradius III SNES is pretty damn fun, even with the slowdowns.

[Anonymous No.1990156]

>>1989360
Are you playing in TGL mode?

[Anonymous No.1990353]

>>1989372
donpachi
dodonpachi
gunbird 1 & 2
the strikers series
the raiden fighters series
gradius gaiden
mushihimesama/futari on original mode

[Anonymous No.1990403]

>>1989426
Even with the slowdown it's 10 times better than the arcade version. The only bad part is the 2nd stage, it's a piece of shit. Wonder if there's a way to overclock the emulator so it doesn't slow down.

[Anonymous No.1990425]

>>1990403
>Even with the slowdown it's 10 times better than the arcade version.
Really? I definitely prefer the SNES version personally because I suck dick at horis that aren't sideways verts like Progear, but I'm not sure I could actually make the argument that it's better. Why do you think so?

[Anonymous No.1990439]

>>1990425
Difficulty's actually balanced right, that's why. I just don't like how it's shorter and has less music.

[Anonymous No.1990914]

Are there any other retro shmups with level creators?

[Anonymous No.1990932]

>>1990914
Aside from the Dezaemon series? Nothing else comes to mind, really.

[Anonymous No.1990985]

Ketsui.

>you will never clear the URA loop

[Anonymous No.1990991]

>>1990985
>Ketsui

Mah fuckin' NIGGA. Ketsui and Dodonpachi Daioujou are probably the best shmups ever made.

[Anonymous No.1991000]

>>1990991

>bullet hell games
>best

[Anonymous No.1991462]

Ickydicky.
Working on C4-easy, looks way easier to S++ than C3 in easy. Got the wheel section down, but the next sequence with ships in the middle and balls on the side is a pain for me atm.
C3-S++ replay: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/222604

[Anonymous No.1991473]

Low scoring on Bio Hazard Battle.

[prince m No.1991702]

gigawing 2672775416770
I'm far from perfect but still I am loving this game

[Anonymous No.1991747]

>>1991462
>Ikaruga easy
why make an already easy game even easier

[Anonymous No.1991775]

>>1991747
If it's so easy, then why is there only five players with highest rank on the C3 leaderboards out of hundreds.

You're probably that kind of fagtron who talks shit about it but never spent a single cred.
Or one of these system11 shitters.

[Anonymous No.1991789]

>>1991702
Teach me your ways.

I suck so fucking bad at GW

[Anonymous No.1991791]

>>1991747
It's nowhere near easy, but not hard either. Tedious and annoying more than anything.

[Anonymous No.1991792]

Truxton II, R-Type Leo and X Multiply.

And no, I'm not scoring, I'm a beginner. But at least the music is good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igMqI_g05Dk

[Anonymous No.1991805]

>>1991775
i have a >10mil score on normal iky, come at me bruv

[Anonymous No.1991817]

>>1991805
You do realize S++ means already 10m just from C2&3 alone, right ?

[Anonymous No.1991826]

>>1990914
SEUCK

[Anonymous No.1992049]

>>1988793
abadox on nes and sokyugourentai on saturn

[Anonymous No.1992070]

>>1991817
It doesn't matter if you don't clear the whole game.

[Anonymous No.1992094]

Flame Zapper Kotsujin
It sucks dicks. Please recommend me a good game.

[Anonymous No.1992356]

how to stop dying in battle garegga

[Anonymous No.1992491]

Been playing U.N. Squardron lately because I hate my self and with to suffer... It's such an infuriating game... Anyone have any advice? I'm playing as Greg Pate and pick up the f-20 as soon as I can. I can make it through the first 2 levels with no problem but then it just gets stupid hard

[Anonymous No.1992528]

>>1992491
stop playing euroshmups anon

[Anonymous No.1992603]

Is there such a thing as a good euroshmup? Are there any that are worth playing?

[Anonymous No.1992661]

>>1992356
are you making sure to control your rank?

[Anonymous No.1992680]

>>1992603
apidya

[Anonymous No.1992790]

>>1992491
Play the Amiga port for a bit. Then go back to MAME and you'll feel the game is easier. ;-)

[Anonymous No.1992813]

>>1992603
Banshee, Battle Squadron, Katakis

[Anonymous No.1992848]

>>1992661
Rank really isn't an issue until you reach a certain competent level of play (survival, medalling, shot frequency) which as he keeps dying clearly won't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.1993075]

I haven't played many SHMUPs but I love how you can aim your secondary fire in Gleylancer (in particular, I use the "reverse" fire). Anything else with a similar control scheme?

[Anonymous No.1993283]

Nothin' like playing a shmup when you wake up in the morning with a cup of Joe.

[Anonymous No.1993298]

>>1993075

Image Fight is the only thing that immediately jumps to mind, but it's probably a bit too tough for beginners. Although I'm sure it's easier on the PCE port. There's also a sequel exclusive to PCE-CD.

[Anonymous No.1993350]

>>1993283
This is true, glad I'm not the only one that starts their days like this.

Right now MUSHA every morning.

[Anonymous No.1993408]

Do Shmups have a future? It feels like nothing interesting has been getting released lately...

[Anonymous No.1994526]

>>1993408
there's always 2hu

[Anonymous No.1994543]

Defender - 26,075

I suck, I know. But this is the first time I've played it since the Atari 2600 back in the day.

[Anonymous No.1994554]

>>1993408
I'd like to see more done with 3D rail shooters in the vein of starfox, panzer dragoon, space harrier, etc.

[Anonymous No.1995623]

>>1994554
Did you play Kid Icarus on 3DS?

[Anonymous No.1995823]

>>1994554
Sin and Punishment on Wii was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.1996398]

got 1.25b in crimzon clover with type2 in novice boost, what should i do next

[Anonymous No.1996419]

>>1996398
get a better score

[Anonymous No.1998172]

>>1996419
thanks

[Anonymous No.1998356]

>>1994526
The western 2hu community (the people who actually play the games and are good at them, at least) is dying, though.

[Anonymous No.1998415]

>>1998254
>>1998254

pls

[Anonymous No.1998463]

>>1998415
Just some random games at the top of my head you might want to check out.

>Nes
Zanac

>Master System
Power Strike

>MSX2
Aleste 2

>Turbografix 16
Magical Chase

>Genesis
Steel Empire

>Amiga
Apidya

>C64
R-Type

>SNES
Axelay

>Playstation
Gradius Gaiden

>Saturn
Batsugun

>Neo Geo
Blazing Star

>Arcade
Dangun Feveron

>PC
The Reap

>Dreamcast
Gunbird 2

Pic unrelated, but neat.

[Anonymous No.1998972]

>>1988793
Make way, best retro shmup comming through.

>pic related, the grand daddy of twin cobra

[Anonymous No.1998983]

>>1998972
>Tiger Heli
>On the NES too
Come on, you can't have taste that bad. Even Slap Fight was better.

[Anonymous No.1999058]

>>1998972
toaplan master race

[Anonymous No.2000889]

bump

[Anonymous No.2001848]

>>1998983
>Hating on tiger-heli

Nigga, you gay as hell. just look at this glorious game

>dat helo engine start up noise

[Anonymous No.2001853]

>>1998983
>Implying tiger heli on the nes\fami was bad

Pic related bro, come at me.
Why you so jelly?

[Anonymous No.2001859]

>>2001853
Dont pay attention to that guy. He mad jelly bro.
>pic related

Look at these fools bringing planes to a heli fight

>dat intro song

[Anonymous No.2001879]

>>2001859
>Tfw no little heli :(

[Anonymous No.2001889]

>>2001879
I know that feel....

[Anonymous No.2001904]

How do you guys make subtle movement inputs consistently? Sometimes I die just because I tapped an arrow key slightly too hard.

[Anonymous No.2001910]

>>2001904
It depends if I am using a D-Pad or a stick. I am usually better with a D-pad.

[Anonymous No.2002094]

>>2001904
practice. thats what shmups are all about. In my 1cc playthroughs im never hit because i moved too much, its because i didnt have the patterns yet memorized.

[Anonymous No.2002120]

>>1989426
That game made me love loving shmups

[Anonymous No.2003363]

Who here likes Xevious-era shmups? Terra Cresta and Slap Fight are my favorites.

[Anonymous No.2003532]

>>2003363

Star Force is remarkably far ahead of its time for a game of 1984 and I recommend everyone trying it at least once. Was a big inspiration on the Star Soldier series so fans of that should especially like it.

[Anonymous No.2003549]

>>2003532
Yeah Star Force is genuinely amazing for it's time. It came out in 1984. Tiger Heli was pretty revolutionary too, but that came out in 1985.

[Anonymous No.2003602]

>>2003363
If we're talking early 80s , then nobody here better forget mother fucking thunder force in 1983.

Fucking hell. And before that was zaxxon and xevious. 80 to early 90s was the shmup golden age.

[Anonymous No.2003612]

>>2003549
As much as I love tiger heli and just posted all those pics about it. If we're talking 1985, then we gotta talk gradus.

God damn the 80s was the shit for shmups, even r-type and Darius were 80s shmup

[Anonymous No.2003616]

>>2003612
Darius! Oh yeahhhhhhh. Did anyone besides me play it on the multiple monitor setup? Cause that shit changed my life man

[Anonymous No.2003618]

>>2003616
Played the second one on the wide screen. And yes, it was fucking glorious .

[Anonymous No.2003640]

>>2003616

I really wish I could have, but I wasn't even born when it came out. Still enjoyed the hell out of it on MAME though.

>There are people who consider the Darius series prior to 1994 generic/mediocre

They do not know what the fuck they are talking about. I was happy as a clown when my laser and twin bomb upgrades stayed after dying the first time. Huge deal coming from Gradius. And the level designs were totally made with the widescreen in mind. Not at all just a cheap attraction gimmick.

[Anonymous No.2003676]

Any good Halloween-themed shooting games?

[Anonymous No.2004558]

>>2003676
harmful park and the cotton series

[Anonymous No.2005730]

>>1996398
got 1.6b tonight
some stupid deaths here and there tho

[Anonymous No.2005841]

>>1988793
I'm currently just in a total shmup mania. I just downloaded whatever I could get for free and plan to buy stuff on Steam too. I think it came after playing R-Type Final and Thunderforce IV again, and then someone recently posted this link on /v/:
>https://www.mediafire.com/?48812jiax8m1c

Contains two mame emulators, the larger of which, shmupmame, has about 70 roms including some classics such as 194x, Dodonpachi, Battle Garegga, Armed Police Batrider, Mars Matrix, and a bunch of others. Kamui is pretty good and not too difficult. Crimzon Clover is fantastic, but it should be noted that the version in this is not the steam version. Hellsinker in here is apparently a demo, not my doing.

Currently I'm having fun with too many shmups at once. I'm also surprised how many cool shmups pc actually has. Hydorah for example is a shmup I play atm, which is really cool for a modern indie shmup in 80s style.

[Anonymous No.2005860]

>>2003618
How can you play this on such a wide screen?

[Anonymous No.2005872]

>>1992603
Zynaps for the ZX spectrum and ONLY THE ZX SPECTRUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5rlpJY7gXw

Then there's Lethal Xcess, Tyrian (actually American) and Iridion II

[Anonymous No.2005880]

>>1992603
Söldner X
Söldner X2

Not really that old, but who cares

[Anonymous No.2005884]

>>2005860
It's awesome. It was actually like 3 monitors on the cab I played. It's designed for this kind of play. It's awesome

[Anonymous No.2005889]

>>2005884
So you need two additional monitors for this? Are there more cool shmups which support this?

[Anonymous No.2005902]

>>2005884
Why the hell do you have 3 monitors? Only for this game or what? It looks pretty awesome though, I must say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qECN-30STQI

[Anonymous No.2006078]

>>1993408
all the modern ones are only being ported to Microsoft consoles and there's no other way to play them outside of physically living in Japan

[Anonymous No.2006098]

>>1992491
Play as Shin. Which stage are you stuck on, the first air force stage? My advice is to memorize the level layouts and develop a plan on where you will use the special weapons. Save the megacrush for the bosses. It wrecks multi-part bosses, and the invincibility frames are very useful for defense.

[Anonymous No.2006101]

>>2001904
Diagonal movement can be used to compensate for moving too far. I also suspect that keyboard quality can improve your "minimum movement distance".

[Anonymous No.2006263]

How can you get really gud at shmups? Do some people just have natural talent for it?
I really want to beat them, but they are just so damn difficult.
And if you play on easy, then its too boring again.

[Anonymous No.2006268]

>>2006263

You have to have the patience to git gud at shmups, its mostly just playing them over and over til you have most of the game memorized.

People can have natural talent for them insofar that they have good reflexes, but the genre is still mostly based on experience and memorization.

[Anonymous No.2006269]

>>2006268
I dont think memorization is really that important.
I often can memorize parts of the level, but I still die there.
I think reflexes and a good overview is much more important.

How do people which are good at lets say Gradius III and IV for example, how did these people played Gradius V for example?
I could imagine many already were really really good at it, without memorizing everything.

[Anonymous No.2006271]

>>2006269

Reflexes are important but that comes with playing the game more, you'll develop muscle memory, which develops off memorization to an extent, it helps to know how shitty bullet patterns are going to come at you.

Some shmups require more memorization than others though, such as R-type for example.

[Anonymous No.2006301]

>>2006271
But the thing is, I dont really have that much problems with seeing behind bullet patterns or whatever, but rather just with being able to dodge all this shit on the screen.
When you play on hard, then often the whole screen is just full of bullets and shit flying everywhere around.
How does this have to do with memorization? This just clearly a question of trained reflexes, good sense for overview and a huge amount of sensitiveness.

That's at least how I feel about this. Just memorization alone is far from being enough. This is more about being able to concentrae yourself so good, that you are able to dodge all this shit and still keep a clear head.

[Anonymous No.2006309]

>>2005841
>Kamui
fucking awesome game.

I would also recommend Suguri and Sora, though those are quite unlike any other shmups and can be confusing if played with the typical shmup mindset. Kind of like Hitogatta Happa

[Anonymous No.2006456]

fuckin thing SUCKS

[Anonymous No.2006519]

>>2005902
The ninja warriors also by taito uses 3 monitors as well

[Anonymous No.2007657]

>>2006301
Because it's patterns.

Bullets don't fly any which way. Certain enemies follow patterns and shoot in patterns.

You'll see this as you get better. At my level, yes I can use muscle memory and just shoot from the hip. But it's pointless. I know the patterns I know the enemy waves for most of my games.

Bullet hella are especially about memory. There's so many bullets u won't make it if you don't know the patterns they come in. Trust me. 1cc a newer cave game and tell me you don't need memorization .

[Anonymous No.2007662]

>>2007657
>Newer cave game
Shit how about any cave game.

Memorization is key in bullet jells.

[Anonymous No.2007691]

>>2007657
I wasn't even talking about danmaku games, I was just talking about regular shmups like Gradius, but on hard difficulties.
When you play bullethells, then yes, you really often need memorization to survive, because often the whole screen is just suddenly full of bullet patterns and you need your save spots, but when you play games like Gradius, there also often is a whole lot of shit going on on the screen, but its less about patterns, but just rather about being sensitive enough to be able to dodge this shit.

When you look at real pros in Gradius, there of course you also can see that they know their patterns and how to attack bosses, etc, but whats much more impressive is, how qicukly and precise they can dodge shit even when the whole screen is full of bullets. And these bullets don't have real patterns. Not as much as in bullet hell games at least. They don't provide some spot on the screen, where you tha you just have to go there and then you are save, but they rather just pop up much more dynamic.

But even in bullet hell games, its sometimes just unbelievable how people are able to dodge stuff. Not because they know their save spots where they have to go, but just because they controll their ship so damn precise that even when the whole screen is full of bullets spraying around, they just still dont get it. Being to controll this ship so damn precise, is whats really impressive about this, imo.

[Anonymous No.2007703]

>>2007657
Also, I never said, you dont need memorization. Of course memorization is important, but whats much more important is precise handling and quick reflexes.

[Anonymous No.2007818]

Me and a friend are on some contest on 2 minutes on Soldier Blade. It's pretty helpful to have someone to be in competition with as it "forces" me to do better

[Anonymous No.2007827]

>>1988793
oh man i remember having a blast when i went to this one bar with my mom, wich had either Pulstar or Blazing Star... it was cheap as fuck. 20 pesetas wich is now like 15 cents

also thanks to being in contact with neogeo emulators since a very early age i knew many, many shmups suck as strikers 1945 along others

[Anonymous No.2008014]

>>2006301
There is also a "conscious" aspect of twitch skill that slowly develops over time. I notice this mostly with hard bullet patterns that require lots of practice. What happens is that "getting better" involves figuring out which parts of the screen and/or how far in front of your character is optimal to focus on (even when shit is coming from all over the place in a mostly random fashion). Likewise, you become aware through experimentation that some paths through the bullets and/or dodging patterns are less risky than others, even though it'd be very hard to truly explain why by analyzing the pattern directly.

[Anonymous No.2008675]

>>1993408
Of course they have a future, but the glory days are already gone, I guess.
Video games just became too commercial and Shmups are just too hardcore for most people.
They rather want their "cinematic experience" with "press x to win".

Pretty sure there will still coming out some cool titles every now and then though.

[Anonymous No.2009091]

>>2008675
>"press x to win".
that's exactly how most shmups /jp/ likes are

[Anonymous No.2009186]

>>2009091
You mean 2hu? I fucking hate 2hu but it's hardly that.

[Anonymous No.2009206]

>>2009186
only the spin-offs aren't
the main games all have stupidly overpowered bombs (depending on the option sometimes)

[Anonymous No.2009639]

So did anyone hear? Apparently they found the proto for the real sequel to RayForce, it's called R-Gear.

[Anonymous No.2010225]

>>2009091
Yea, all these waifu pilot danmakus reflect quite well what happened to vidya.
Just look at the last R-Type games on the PSP.
It seems impossible for devs to sell stuff nowadays without pandering to otaku.

[Anonymous No.2010227]

>>2009206
Even in EoSD your bombs are frequently ineffective against certain enemies, they're used more to dispel attacks and protect your character.

Also only plebs rely on bombs.

[Anonymous No.2010335]

>>2010227
>press x to spark
>ineffective