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1971940 No.1971940 [Reply] [Original]

How did they get away with this entire dungeon in a kids' game?

>> No.1971952

when you say kid, what age? cause i beat this game and i was like between maby 12 and 14

>> No.1971954

>>1971940
We weren't pussies.

Besides, most kids nowadays are playing call of duty and GTA. Has it really changed that much?

>> No.1971959

Playing it again a while ago and I felt it almost should have got a T but honestly everything under M doesn't really register to most people so it wouldn't matter.

>> No.1971991

That's just how it was in the 90s. Video games, cartoons, and other forms of media aimed at children used to have more nightmare fuel, because the PC brigade didn't have the same influence they have now.

>> No.1972006

>>1971940
It's okay for a series to deal with more mature content. It probably traumatized a bunch of little kids, but they still dealt with it. After a week or two of nightmares, they moved on, and had a fun story to tell a decade or so later. None of this is real.

How did Guardians of the Galaxy get a PG-13 rating when they use explicit language in that movie? How did Anaconda get so much media attention in the first place when it's literally a song about taking big black shlong, knowing Nikki Minaj has a lot of young fans? Shit happens.

>> No.1972010
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1972010

Kek.

>> No.1972013

>>1972010
lopl

>> No.1972016

Please explain what exactly in the dungeon would warrant a higher ESRB Rating.

>> No.1972023

>>1972016
At a guess, everything they censored for the 3DS remake.

>> No.1972026

>>1972016
Blood and a few disturbing stuff if I remember right. I remember a room that is basically a torture room full of blood.

>> No.1972027
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>>1972016
Probably the part where this fucker grabs your face and bites out your throat

>> No.1972035

>>1972016
Eeeeeh the inquisition tier torture machinery? The piles of decomposing blood?

>> No.1972050

>>1972035
decomposing flesh*

>> No.1972201

House of Skulltula scared me more. All those scared family members and the music and fuck that place.

>> No.1972225

>>1971940
it was a 15 here in the uk, ditto MM.
the rereleases all got 3 or 7 age ratings.
perfect dark was an 18.
> old age ratings were fucked.

>> No.1972243

Ghirahim in Skyward Sword was probably just as offensive

>> No.1972249
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>> No.1972251

Halloween spooky stuff generally didn't get higher age ratings back in the 90's. People actually had a sense of humor before quack psycologists came along and convinced them everything under the sun was harmful to their children.

>> No.1972292

>>1972251

This. I hate how Halloween has to be goofy spooky now instead of seriously scary. Like I could see parents complaining when a house goes overboard with seriously awesome creepy stuff. I mean I could handle it as a kid and it was awesome. Feel bad for the kids really.

>> No.1972310

people don't give kids enough credit. if it's too scary, they won't play/read/watch media.

life's scary as fuck. might as well get used to it young

>> No.1972408
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1972408

When I was a kid, I played both Nintendo and Sega games (and PC, as well), so I never quite understood people who think you either play mature games, or kiddy games.
To be completely honest, the most kiddy games I played as a kid were educational software, on PC. Stuff like Mario, Sonic, etc were fun games that anyone could enjoy playing, because separately from their characters or themes (which yes, were targeted at young people), the games themselves are fun, and while the characters are for kids, I think they looked ageless. Like, I could compare Sonic 1's Sonic to classic Mickey, or SMB3 Mario to classic Popeye. That kind of stuff.
Their 3D transitions also changed their old "classic" character in 2D.
But as a 9 year old, I didn't mind switching between playing Mario or Sonic to Mortal Kombat or Doom.
MK2 was probably my favorite game, even though I was a big SFII fan, when I started playing MK, I didn't want to go back to SF cause "no gore and no fatalities". I actually bought Killer Instinct because it had fatalities.

Nowdays, I don't mind some gore in my games, but I sure as hell don't look for it, I value gameplay and good game design over "mature" content. But hey, that was me being 9.

>> No.1972410

>>1971940
Perhaps because then people didn't treat children as retards?
Shelter a kid from every bit of unpleasantness and you have a surefire formula to turn him into an entitled retard with no backbone.

>> No.1972484

kids back then weren't thin-skinned hippie softies who cried at the sight of horror, gore or tits.

>> No.1972489

>>1972484

Wow, don't you sound cool.
They aren't that way now either. It's the adults have just tightened their sphincters too much lately.

>> No.1972490

>>1972484
This. It's the parents that do that.
"NO TITS ARE EVIL NEVER EVER LOOK AT BOOBIES!"
Fucking prudes. I played Diablo2 when I was 9 or 10 and I loved the spooky mood. That cathedral, man. So beautifully creepy.

>> No.1972493

semi related, and since this is /vr/ perhaps you guys are just as old as my old ass..

remember before there was a PG-13 rating?

>> No.1972548

>>1972493
I don't, but upon re-watching movies from my childhood like The Goonies and Gremlins, there's no way they would get a PG rating under the modern day rating system. I believe Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the first PG-13 movie?

>> No.1972553

>>1972023
what did they censor?

>> No.1972554

>>1972027
That's not how rating works.

As you long as it's not realistic, that it doesn't involve a gun, and there is no nudity, it's perfectly fine as far as rating goes, even if it's the scariest thing ever.
Ratings are based on very arbritary points.

>> No.1972598

>>1972484
>thin-skinned hippie softies
Anyone who speaks or writes likes this doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

>> No.1972603

Seriously though, Nintendo changed Ganondorf's blood to green to avoid potential backlash but they left the blood puddles and skull walls and fleshpiles in?
What the fuck Nintendo?

>> No.1972838

good luck finding creepy shit like that now a day people lose their shit at anything slightly edgy

>> No.1972851

>>1971940
Liberals hadn't gotten around to censoring it yet. They cried enough and eventually got their way though, as can be seen in the "family friendly" 3DS version which removes everything of that nature.

>> No.1972856

>>1971991
90s Nintendo had censorship standards that would make even today's hardcore SJWs laugh.

Even then, though I don't really understand the SPOOooOOKY ZELDA meme. It had some blood spatter effects and torture rack props and a creepy vibe, who gives a shit? It isn't anything different from content in games today. Even as a pussy little kid who was afraid of the dark I just thought it was cool.

>> No.1973096

>>1972490
I remember my first time seeing tits. It was the early 90's and i was 7 years old and there was this daytime talkshow on TV. The topic was breast reduction surgery and i got to see a close up of the surgeon removing the nipple so he could reattach it to the breast when he was done working on it.

After that i wouldn't even bat an eyelash at video game violence. God damn i had a fucked up childhood.

>> No.1973098

>>1971940
>>1972851
1. What's wrong with it?
2. Why would they alter it?!
3. There is no three.

>> No.1973103

>>1973096
Your association mechanism in your brain might be a little messed up.

>> No.1973124

>>1972851

Liberals? Don't make me laugh. Most of the censorship crowd are old-school conservative religious types. Do you even know what a liberal is?

>> No.1973185

>>1973124
Not that anon, but the only politician I can think of off the top of my head that's like that is Joe Lieberman who is a huge Liberal... But tbh it's never about liberal/conservative - these douches just have rich constituents who have a kid who accidentally shot himself or others and the parents blamed it on GTA instead of their dumbass child. They start or join violence awareness campaigns that politicians of any stripe will piggy back on for votes.

>> No.1973193

>>1972548
No Red Dawn.

>> No.1973194

>>1973124
>>1973185
It's a bipartisan issue, in that it attracts morons on both sides.

>> No.1973248

>>1973124
I believe today's definition of liberal is someone who uses emotions for reasoning instead of logic. It's a shame makes us classic liberals look bad.

>> No.1973252

>>1973248
Yesterday's "classical liberals" are today's "fiscal conservatives"

>> No.1973257

>>1973252
except the ones called fiscally conservative on TV are actually fascists

>> No.1973290

>>1971959
maybe 'E10+' if it were released these days, but definitely not 'T'

>> No.1974487

>>1973248
>someone who uses emotions for reasoning instead of logic

post- the Bush Whitehouse, isn't that just a republican

>> No.1974509

>>1972553
Things like smears of blood were removed in the 3DS version, and the area (whole game, rather) was made brighter since the 3D effect ghosts a lot in dark game environments.

>> No.1974543

>>1971940
Back then the rating system for video games wasn't as good as it is now.

>>1971954
Yeah, but it was different back then; kids these days get away with so much it's not even funny.

>> No.1974579

Bottom of the Well was uniquely frightening. Notably, it's the first dungeon you're required to do as a child after becoming Adult Link. At this point the player has beaten the Forest, Fire, and Water Temples, as well as the Ice Cave, and has been enjoying Adult Link's increased speed, power, and exclusive items.

But to progress in the story, you must enter a hole that is too small for an adult to fit in. So the player has to revert to their weaker form, with shorter reach and weaker weapon. The Bottom of the Well is set with dark textures and a confusing layout, and fearful monsters like ReDeads, Like-Likes, and Wallmasters, who all attack by grabbing Link. Eventually the player encounters a Deadhand, who can only be defeated by allowing oneself to be caught in it's gangly, skeletal grip, and to struggle free as the beast slowly moves toward the player intent on biting him.

In the Kakariko burning cutscene, Sheik tells Link that Bongo-Bongo had just escaped from the Well, and most new players will usually think that they'll encounter Bongo-Bongo in Bottom of the Well after they return to the past, keeping players constantly on the lookout for a dangerous shadowy mass as they delve deeper into the dungeon.

>> No.1975365

>>1974579
i always liked how in the shadow temple you can hear bongos playing slowly in the background

>> No.1975382

Kids aren't such big pussies as people think, I grew up on Doom, Quake, Duke, Blood, Moonstone, and so on, and I just thought blood and gore was kewl.

>> No.1975394

Is the bottom of the well the torture chambers owned by the royal family?

>> No.1975480

>>1972603
I think this is the best point raised yet. Why? There is a load of fucked up torture shit, so why change Ganon's blood?

>> No.1975540

>>1974579
>Adult Link's increased speed

is he actually faster? i never noticed but i'm assuming he is and it's just not that noticeable since you're bigger

>> No.1975542

>>1974579
>who can only be defeated by allowing oneself to be caught in it's gangly, skeletal grip, and to struggle free as the beast slowly moves toward the player intent on biting him.

not true. you don't have to be caught by the deadhand. just keeping running around and it won't land on you. if you just stand there, it'll catch you

>> No.1975551

>>1975542

never mind, i was thinking of the floormaster. sorry

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>>1972016

>> No.1975581

>>1974579
Good point about the grabbing. I've just realised that all the worst monsters grab.

>> No.1976449

>>1972016

Wait what exactly did they censor out? They both look very similar to me.

>> No.1976912
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Well, I don't think any kid under 10 would get this far in the game, unless the child has a certain IQ and is clever enough to not only solve the puzzles by themselves, but are also able to distinguish between reality and videogame; and if not, the 'music' playing in the shadow temple is, in my opinion, scarier than any other feature there. Why should anybody bar children from a game because of its soundtrack?

Anybody who has ever actually read the instruction manual of video game platform of that time knows that the developers advised parents to never let children play video games alone in the first place. I've never heard of somebody doing so though - could well have been an 'empty compromise'.

Moreover, the developers didn't put an effort in designing the blood, traps and monsters as realistic and scary as possible. These elements weren't brought into the foreground, but were just an attempt to create a detailed dungeon.

>tl;dr: only plebs cannot see any difference between reality and a dungeon whose scary features were cleary brought into the background and whose music is scarier than the perceived violence because of a shitty display of blood.

>> No.1977328

>>1972010
haha.

are there ever meta /vr/ humor threads?

>> No.1977339

>>1972554
OoT's graphics were "realistic" in 1998 though.

And Rogue Squadron, also released in 1998, got a T rating for spaceships making other spaceships explode. However you could shoot extremely low-res white humanoid figures that were meant to represent Stormtroopers, but at best that was cartoon violence.

>> No.1978237

>>1975565
As a teen I never really put it together that this is supposed to show that Kakariko village and Hyrule have a very dark past. I just thought of it as another dungeon.

>> No.1978274

>>1976912
i beat the game with my only problem being the water temple when i was like 9, so it's not like it's that hard

>> No.1978305

>>1975480
It's pretty condescending actually, like they really didn't give a fuck. Both the well and the Shadow Temple were miniature horror games. I was too much of a pussy to even enter the crypt, too.

>>1974579
This. It had psychological aspects to it. Being a little kid with toy weapons made you feel pretty fucked in a big underground torture chamber.

So long as we're jerking off to OoT, can we take a moment to appreciate its lore? There was a lot of spooky background shit, a lot of politics and history going on all things considered.

>> No.1978310

>>1975565
mortal kombats worse than that

>> No.1978315

the creepiest part was the room full of green acid sludge stuff with all the hands reaching up from it

>> No.1978331 [DELETED] 

>>1972006
>How did Guardians of the Galaxy get a PG-13 rating when they use explicit language in that movie?

Because they only say it a few times. As for the Nikki Minaj thing, that is just the media wanting to pollute kids and turn them into degenerates reliant on government aid, that was no accident.

>> No.1978335

>>1977339
T rating was probably for the fact that it's violence within a military setting.

>> No.1978338

>>1972490
Early exposure of sex to young children has been proven to fuck up their development though. It's not parents being prude, it's proven science.

>> No.1978339

>>1977339
The storm troopers are low rez cartoon violence, but the player is pulling the trigger, so it could raise some flags.

If Link found living people tied up in the bottom of the well and was given the option to flay and kill them, Nintendo definitely would have gotten a stronger rating.
I'm kidding. The ESRB probably didn't play past the first hour of gameplay.

>> No.1978340

>>1972548
>I believe Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the first PG-13 movie?

No, the PG-13 rating was created BECAUSE of Temple of Doom.

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>>1978331
>that is just the media wanting to pollute kids and turn them into degenerates reliant on government aid, that was no accident.

/pol/ is leaking again

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>>1973124
The only thing conservatives complained about was there being no rating system back in the early days, which is a valid complaint. They even congratulated on the video game industry on doing such a good job with their rating system and said it is better than the MPAA's system. It's always the liberal that whine about hookers and guns in games and want violence in games to be banned. Pic very fucking related

>> No.1978347

>>1973257
>fascists

No, the only fascists are liberals like Feinstein who want to repeal your first and second amendment rights.

>>1974487
Yeah, because it's always the republicans that argue the poor need more pointless welfare and are always the SJWs whining about >muh patriarchy right? I think you have been watching too much msnbc anon.

>> No.1978348

>>1978331
>that was no accident.

HAH I FUCKING KNEW IT

>> No.1978350 [DELETED] 

>>1978341
>the media has absolutely zero objective guys I swear!

You are either retarded, 14, or just completely ignorant about the world around you.

>> No.1978364

>>1972006
>when they use explicit language in that movie?
Do people still care about that?

>> No.1978382

>>1978343
It goes both ways. Reps tended to hate sex and swearing in games and attacked them for that. The few democrats that cared attacked violence predominantly. Liberals would have been okay with hookers mostly. Republicans wouldn't. But they are okay with guns and teaching kids to murder the unrighteous heathens. Thems life lessons.
Jack Thompson during his stint sent letters to republicans and republican leaning democrats for antiviolence though. More surprising because reps historically care less, but at the same time he was a rep and he tried joining up with Palin and the GOP to continue the fight.
Both sides back censorship of some form.

The interesting thing that I've observed is dem politicians support gun control but very dems I know do, and plenty own guns. The biggest proponents of gun control I know are really the police and police tend to bias heavily as authoritarian constitutional-toilet paper wiping reps, often drop out military wannabes. So really, people are weird.

>> No.1978782

>>1975565
It's possible the censors just didn't know what it was.

>> No.1978792

>>1972027
how bout the fact that there is a labyrinth under the town well? AND THE WALLS AND FLOORS ARE MADE OF SKELETONS

>> No.1978796

>>1978305
>the crypt, too
crypt? What crypt?

>> No.1978832

>>1972598

why? does it offend you?

>> No.1979020

>/vr/ trying to talk about politics

Can we just talk about OoT and how it had a lot of adult imagery. I was pretty stupid playing it back than because when I replayed it on the 3DS I actually finally figured out that the game was about growing from childhood to adulthood. That the kids represented your innocent youth that never grows. Yeah I know it's a bit obvious now but when I played it when I was 12 I didn't think about stuff like that.