/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1967457]

Discuss Phantasy Star here :) Last thread died so made a new one. I just finished the Yellow Dam in Phantasy Star II. I want to thank whichever /vr/s recomended leveling Kain it helped a lot!

[Anonymous No.1968324]

I was not prepared for Neifirst vs Nei fight. I was actually surprised it happened sooner in the game than I expected. I heard in the remakes you can bring Nei back if you followed some steps in the first remake and transferred your save data.

[Anonymous No.1969212]

>>1967457
what does /vr/ think of these theories?
http://www.ripplinger.us/camineet/theories/

not mine but i found them interesting to read over. i liked the PS series.

[Anonymous No.1969223]

>>1969212
>http://www.ripplinger.us/camineet/theories/
These are really cool! This will give me plenty to read for awhile :)

[Anonymous No.1969674]

Just got to Dezolis in Phantasy Star II, any advice from people who have beaten the game? Should I switch out Kain for Rudo at this point? Are Hugh and Shir even worth using?

[Anonymous No.1969682]

>>1967457
i want those ages remakes damnit

[Anonymous No.1969695]

>>1969674
>not having Rudo in your party at all times
what are you doing?

Shir is useful for stealing items from shops. Be sure to steal the visiphone from Paseo's Central Tower, it'll let you save anywhere. Hugh isn't very good unless you power level due to the lack of biomonsters after defeating Neifirst.

What's your party so far?

[Anonymous No.1969702]

>>1969674
These three clowns are pretty much useless for the last 3rd of the game.
Shir learns some okay techs, but she doesn't have the resources to use them effectively.
There are both mechanical and bio creatures on Dezolis so Hugh and Kain have at least some uses with their techs, but if you bring both of them you'll be leaving out either a powerhouse or healer.
Won't spill anything else though on why you shouldn't bring them

[Anonymous No.1969703]

>>1969695
Rolf with Sword of Ango and Crystal Chest, Amy with two fire wands, Anna with a fire and lazer slasher, and Kain with Aegis and using Stormgear. Wondering if I should switch Kain or someone else out to level as they are all level 17 and my reserve people are 14.

[Anonymous No.1969729]

>>1969703
Like >>1969702, by using either High, Kain or Shir you're missing out on a powerhouse,. In your case you're missing out on my man Brudof Steiner, who's an absolute beast with the gear you're bound to find soon.

Playing with the Rolf/Rudo/Anna/Amy setup lets you have three dedicated and very powerful attackers as well as a healer, and it'll help you out if you ever have a hard time. But to be honest I think it's kind of boring to play with the optimal characters all the time. I do like to use Kain and Hugh, their limited use and versatility makes everything more challenging. Shir is also strategic because her high agi allows her to be first every turn, and once you get your end game equipment (which you can use as items to cast spells) she'll be very useful and versatile.

So if you like experimenting with the system and challenging yourself try to level up everyone. If you want to have the very best party you can just ditch Kain and start using Rudo asap.

[Anonymous No.1969741]

>>1969729
Thanks man I appreciate the advice and I look forward to finally beating this game. I have beaten the original Phantasy Star twice and have beat Phantasy Star IV three times. I had played Phantasy Star II way back in the day on Sega smash pack on PC but never made it past the third dungeon, stopping right after Darum killed his daughter. I plan to play Phantasy Star III at some time since I only made it to the 2nd Generation in that game.

[Anonymous No.1970042]

So who did every bring for their fifth in PS4

Raja's OP as fuck but I always had a real liking for Kyra. She got some great combo viability, decent stats and is a QT3.14

[Anonymous No.1970049]

>>1970042

I like Kyra as well, but its hard to justify anyone except for raja, rika just doesn't have the TP to spam heals and is way better as an attacker.

Also it doesn't help that demi/gryz/hahn don't really learn anything else past their normal time with you.

[Anonymous No.1970057]

>>1970049

I may be thinking 2 but you can get item/equipment that cast party heals with infinite use

Ive managed to beat the PD with everyone in the countless times I plaid the game and while Raja makes it the easiest Kyra's pretty viable herself. The other will put you through your paces though, especially Gryz. Now there's a challenge.

why is there so little Kyra art ;_;

[Anonymous No.1970067]

>>1967457
I tried playing PS II a while back, and while I love the aesthetics, I find it's far too inaccessible for my tastes. PS IV had it goin' on though.

[Anonymous No.1970070]

>>1970057

dat gap.

Yeah its pretty hard without the ideal party, I'd even argue phantasy star 4 is harder than 2, 2 just has bullshit dungeons and tests your patience.

[Anonymous No.1970074]

>>1970067
Have you tried the original? I couldn't get into PS2 at all but I loved PS1.

[Anonymous No.1970080]

>>1970070

well Ive had this discussion at length before and Ill spare the long version but what I said then was

PS2 was HARD!
PS4 was challenging.

the first games (and most games of that era) did all that as you said BULLSHIT in terms of dungeon design, difficulty spike and all that. That's not challenge that's the game out to rape you in the ass.

4 seems easy compared to the others but that's because it's fairer. You're given plenty of methods and tools to win and it's on you to find them. A surprise attack can still leave you wrecked and you can't just close your eyes through it. You have to pay attention but if you know how to play you can get by.

not that there aren't any dick bag bosses . That fucking air castle man

[Anonymous No.1970085]

>>1970074

The PS2 remake has been translated a while and is pretty good, shame they never got to do 3 or 4.

4 I don't think NEEDS it so much but 3 could totally benefit from a remake to flesh out some of its ideas better

[Anonymous No.1970086]

>>1970074
Not enough to truly get a feel of the game. Literally just got to play it for maybe 20 minutes.

[Anonymous No.1970091]

>>1970067

While I normally wouldn't advocate something like this, I'll just say I replayed PS2 on emulator recently and found that fast forward severely eased its grinding factor, and made the game seem more playable, though it still has its frustrations in level design, especially if you don't use a guide.

All things aside though, the game is a marvel for 1989.

[Anonymous No.1970092]

there where certain tricks you could do to make the game easier on yourself though.

I remember Kyra being especially tanky with an extra shield

[Anonymous No.1970116]

>>1970085

4 has aged incredibly well compared to the others.

Be nice to see a remake of 3, just because it seems so iffy compared to 1 2 and 4. If it was brought in line with the others it would be pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.1970124]

>>1970116
>4 has aged incredibly well compared to the others.

compared to a lot of games from that era. Id say it aged better than most SNES rpgs

those cut in panels man. those blew my mind as a kid

[Anonymous No.1970131]

>>1970124

I agree, there's not a lot of stuff I can think of outside of chrono trigger and FF6 and the like that have aged as well.

Lufia 2 maybe? SMRPG?

[Anonymous No.1970221]

>>1970085
Wait it's fully translated? Though only like 20% was done. The only major problem I had with the remake of PS1 is the art design. Looks ugly as fuck to me. But I really miss the old anime design in the 80's to late 90's.

[Anonymous No.1970242]

>>1970221
He probably means the PS2 remake, as in, the Playstation 2 remake, not the Phantasy Star 2 remake.

[Anonymous No.1970257]

>>1970242
Right yeah I'm an idiot sorry. Yeah I liked Phantasy Star 1 remake but man that art style is bad. I really need to replay 2 again. I have the Sonic collection that has it. I actually don't remember anything about it so it will be a fun "new" experience.

[Anonymous No.1970303]

>>1967457

It was a couple of years ago when I played the game the last time. PS2 is my favourite part of the series, although the game can be pretty long-winded, especially in the dungeons at the beginning of the game. After the battle with Neifirst, which caught me by surprise the first time I played it, left a huge gap in my party....

AFAIK, I always dumped Kain/Hugh as soon as possible to use Rudo and Anna for maximum attack power. Kain/Hugh would run out of MP too soon in the long dungeons later in the game and would be pretty useless without their spells.

Amy, as a healer, would be more useful to use in Dezolis/towards the end of the game. Honestly, if I went to another planet, I'd rather have a doctor with me than a biologist or wrecker. So do it!

I never actually used Shir, apart from this stealing shit from shops that you SHOULD do before going to Dezolis!

[Anonymous No.1970363]

I'm not a big fan of PSO and where it's taking the series. In story, lore and gameplay.

I liked the first four PS games because they were basically Dragon Quest in space.

[Anonymous No.1970669]

>>1970363
>tfw we will never see more games set in the Classic PS universe and style

not sure whether to be upset, or glad it will remain pure. In spite of fitting together incredibly well as it is, I have a feeling something about the original series is unfinished. Did early planning not start on a 5th game? I think I heard that somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1970806]

>>1970669

Maybe it seems unfinished because 3 is such a lackluster game compared to the others.

4 is supposed to be the swan song, considering you fight the PD instead of just dark force, who you fight multiple times anyway.

[Anonymous No.1970946]

>>1970303
>I never actually used Shir, apart from this stealing shit from shops that you SHOULD do before going to Dezolis!

Protip: Shir can steal a Moondew pretty early in the game. If you use it on Nei int he battle with Neifirst you can revive and keep using her in battle.

Story still treats her as dead though

[Anonymous No.1970995]

>>1969212
>http://www.ripplinger.us/camineet/theories/
I used to play PSO with Mike, good fuckin' times man.

[Anonymous No.1971017]

>>1970995

I really liked PSO but I was always bummed we weren't exploring the Algo system and the aesthetic was notably different

I got over it quickly and really liked the game for what it is but I still want to explore Algo

[Anonymous No.1971023]

I can remember being excited when SEGA announced Phantasy Star Zero for NDS. At the time there was no information so I was hoping it was going to be a prequel to the original series.

Well that didn't turn out the way I had hoped.

[Anonymous No.1971076]

[Anonymous No.1971081]

I actually never played any of the Phantasy Star games after 4. Are any of them actually worth it?

[Anonymous No.1971090]

>>1971081
>Are any of them actually worth it?

PSO was pretty hot shit at the time

[Anonymous No.1971094]

>>1971090
My friend wants me to get into PSO2 but I don't remember anything about the other 4 games. But I'm guessing you most likely don't need to know it to enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.1971096]

>>1971023
Yeah, but PS0 was kind of fun anyway. I still remember wrecking stuff with my FOnewn and a maxed Caduceus that you could get by imputing a password.
/not-retro

[Anonymous No.1971257]

Does the Phantasy Star Collection GBA port have any major issues?

Because I have that, and am tempted.

[Anonymous No.1971268]

>>1971257
It randomly deletes saved games.

[Anonymous No.1971289]

>>1971268

thought that was only a glitch with the first game on the collection, other than that i thought 2 and 3 were fine.

[Anonymous No.1971321]

>>1971257

Yes, it has one...it was made by people who didn't give it half the love and care it deserved. On top of that, it's missing the best entry of the original story. Absolutely unforgivable.

>>1970669

Some planning WAS done, and apparently it would have involved Chaz and Rika's son. I don't think it ever got beyond some sketches, though, which are still floating around the internet somewhere.

>>1970080

Fuck those guys...my first and only loss in PS4. It seemed like such an innocent plan at the time...

>>1970049

Actually, I would say that anyone is pretty justifiable if you load up on Star Dews in Meese on Dezolis. Hahn gives you a chance at better crits(at least, I assume that's what Vision does), Gryz can also dole out the damage, especially if you get the Doom Axe in the last dungeon, Kyra's VERY flexible to use, and Demi is actually great as a healer, thanks to Medic Power. The only thing you'll really miss out on if you don't bring Raja is the lack of TP restoration.

[Anonymous No.1971325]

>>1971257
Other than crappy music, lower resolution, washed out color palette and no PSIV?
Nope.

[Anonymous No.1971336]

>>1971321
Vision boosts the party's DEX, which improves accuracy quite a bit and slightly increases critical rates.

[Anonymous No.1971370]

>>1971268
Eh, this is fixable. I keep an acekard 2i around and backup my saves every time I play a game.
>>1971325
Not nearly as excusable...

[Anonymous No.1971413]

>>1970091
I've been contemplating setting up a Japanese PSN account and buying the Anthology through it. I hear they're the best editions of the games. All the games are translated into English, have the niceties you mentioned, and the first game offers better sound than what you'd get in English releases.

[Anonymous No.1971567]

>>1971321
>Some planning WAS done, and apparently it would have involved Chaz and Rika's son.

there's images floating around in the compendium. Ive heard every rumor from the next game being his kid to Chaz getting killed half way through and his son taken over the game

[Anonymous No.1971587]

>>1971567
>Fal: Age 13
>Rui: Age 8
I didn't know humans were compatible with a numan's altered genetics. Considering how quickly a numan matures, what's their life expectancy, anyway?

[Anonymous No.1971602]

>>1971587

not sure really. There haven't been any natural born ones until PSO where most lore is largely ignored.

I want to so pretty normal humanoid though because Im an optimist

[Anonymous No.1971785]

Is the Japanese version of PS1 with the improved music the best version of the game?

[Anonymous No.1971816]

>>1971785

that really depends on how well you read moon

[Anonymous No.1971824]

>>1971816
What about the translation patch?
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1069/

[Anonymous No.1971832]

>>1971824
How bad is the localization of Phantasy Star 1? Outside stupid item names like Cola and Burgers.

[Anonymous No.1971847]

>>1971832
The official localization has a lot of shortened / altered names, due to space restrictions, and changes some characters' names, too. The retranslation patch is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.1971864]

>>1971847
I mean outside that. Like how badly did they fuck it up? I know about space limitations (that was even a think in the 16 bit era).

[Anonymous No.1971874]

>>1971864
Oh, it's not unplayable or wildly different. Nothing like that.

[Anonymous No.1971896]

>>1971874
Was wondering since I have the Sonic collection and wonder how if I should do that or do the romhack.

[Anonymous No.1971912]

>>1971864
It's awkward Engrish but it's pretty coherent and entirely playable. The only part that really bugs me is a few hints got mangled, like where to find the Roadpass.

Major events are much better in non broken English, though. Get the retranslation.

[Anonymous No.1971921]

>>1971912
Alright I'll do that. Sadly I'm at a point I just don't feel like mapping things out anymore. So I'll just look up the maps. I know mapping out is part of the fun but I just can't.

[Anonymous No.1971935]

>>1971921
Don't do that. Exploration is the game's strength and doing the bare minimum will leave you underleveled. I beat it without maps and the only frustrating part was the very last dungeon. At least try.

[Anonymous No.1971947]

>>1971935
How bad are the hidden doors? Those tend to be a major problem I have.

[Anonymous No.1971960]

>>1971947
There's one mandatory door in the entire game. It's just before the final boss. You might have to look it up, I guess.

[Anonymous No.1972071]

4 has a surprisingly decent localization

it's not without grammar hiccups but they made it all very clear and gave it some life too

[Anonymous No.1972187]

[Anonymous No.1972313]

I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed Phantasy Star 2. I don't like 80s RPGs; I find them boring. But I liked 2 enough to beat it without a guide or cheating with emulator tricks. The dungeons were just so complicated and the setting unusual. I couldn't help but like it. It is kind of a relic. It looks and kind of feels like a 16bit game, but the design philosophy sure isn't. I was amused to find out that it was originally distributed with a guide.

If I had to choose, I think I'd say 4 is better, but not by all that much.

[Anonymous No.1972379]

>you will never see a remake of PS2 or PS3 based on the original non-butched plot and ideas

[Anonymous No.1972412]

>>1972379
>remakes

Yeah, just what I need. Something to make the graphics and sound suck, while sucking out whatever made the originals good.

[Anonymous No.1972463]

>>1971094
You don't. The plot and setting is not related to any previous game.

[Anonymous No.1972469]

>>1971587
Neitypes have a life expectency of about 3 years. Faltypes (Rika) mature quickly but have lifespans comparable to humans.

[Anonymous No.1972525]

Why the hell is this patch not working I want to play PS2 already goddamn.

[Anonymous No.1972558]

>>1972525
do you have a ALL/ANY file option in that drop down menu?

[Anonymous No.1972561]

>>1972525
click "most common rom files" and choose "all files" instead

[Anonymous No.1972564]

>>1972525
>using easy mode hacks
top pleb

[Anonymous No.1972574]

>>1972558
>>1972561

I swear I've never had to do that with any other patches before. Regardless, I am quite disappointed with myself right now.

Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.1972691]

has anyone check out Phantasy star Delux? It's essentially just a remake of ps1 with better sprite work that was released for chinese cellphones. It's playable through a java emu. I used to have all the required files for play but all I have now is the translation patch

http://www.psalgo.com/phantasy-star-deluxe.html

http://www.pscave.com/dow/rom/

[Anonymous No.1972736]

>>1971094

There was a ddos attack back in June and your isp may have issues with connecting. Luckily there's ways to get around it (from PSO2 general on /vg/):

1: Look up "Cyberkitsune PSO2"
2: Amazon Web Sevices
3: SoftEther
4: Paid VPN

[Anonymous No.1972848]

>>1972412
With PS3 I would take the new graphics and sound in order to see all the cut-content be put into the game.

[Anonymous No.1972881]

>>1971017
I really loved PSO as well!, The music and atmosphere of the game was top notch and I loved all the homages to the past games with rare weapons and other things like that. I also thought it was really cool that the strategy guide for PSO had a huge section about all the oldschool RPGs, back when actual gamers wrote the guides and could include stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.1973102]

>>1972691
>PScave is still up

fuck man that's some old school shit

[Anonymous No.1973152]

Does anyone know if the Phantasy Star Collection for the Saturn is just like the PS2 version, in that you can toggle settings, including English Mode?

[Anonymous No.1973189]

>mfw I reinstall psobb for the first time in years and all my stuff is still there

I thought they erased shit from time to time, guess not. I think the older of my two accounts I made around 8-9 years ago.

[Anonymous No.1973234]

>>1973189
No way. I think mine is from 2004-5ish. Now I gotta try this.

[Anonymous No.1973387]

>>1969682
They're butt-ugly, bro.
>remade in post-millennia anime style over the gorgeous 80s style
Now, if they redrew the cut scenes in the old style, and in HD, that'd be worth getting.

[Anonymous No.1973404]

>>1971935
>PS1
>underleveled

What?

The level cap is 30, and the game is still a bitch even at that point because only Alis can hold her own against late-game monsters. Noah is made of glass and runs out of TP too soon, Odin is a pussy with low offense and HP for a meat shield, and the cat isn't great either except for healing from what I can recall.

I haven't played in a while, but I remember every dungeon after Medusa basically being a crap-shot. Either I got lucky and didn't have to fight endless marauders/dragons/whatever or I did, ran out of healing supplies and TP and had to try again.

Never finished Baya Malay because of this.

Don't get me wrong though. I liked the game a lot, but I got too frustrated and never finished it.

What did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.1973998]

[Anonymous No.1974291]

>>1973998
Its a shame Demi is useable for such a small amount of the game and is mostly overshadowed by Wren except for medipower during the last dungeon/ boss.
She was my favorite character, always being so chipper and getting all excited when talking about vehicles or when Wren would compliment her.
Also I loved how she was so short she had to walk twice as fast to keep up with the rest of the party.

[Anonymous No.1974312]

>>1972691
That remake has no monster animations. That makes it the single worst looking Phantasy Star in existence, even if it looks nice in screenshots. Avoid like the zombie plague.

[Anonymous No.1974316]

>>1973404
>Noah...runs out of TP too soon,
But he's your strongest physical attacker! The spells aren't even worth using most of the time.

[Anonymous No.1974429]

>>1974291

she certainly was a real cutie-tron.

game had got tier waifus

[Anonymous No.1974451]

>>1971602
There was a numan in PSO who mentioned something about how she could die at any time. But it's not really built upon further.

[Anonymous No.1975750]

>>1974316
Da fuck? Are we even playing the same game?

[Anonymous No.1975778]

>>1974451
>There was a numan in PSO who mentioned something about how she could die at any tim

I think that's just cause she was a member of a group of very bad people

[Anonymous No.1976058]

>>1975778
I was under the impression that it was because she was reflecting on the fact that Newmans are genetically engineered and thus unforseen flaws can surface. I can't remember which quest though.

[Anonymous No.1976523]

>>1976058

either way it's not really explored any but given how common the numan are by that point Im inclined to think they got the kinks ironed out.

It's possible Sue(was that her name) was a bootleg though?

[Anonymous No.1976537]

>>1973404
If you follow a walkthrough you'll probably have to grind, but the encounters fought following NPC clues and exploring dungeons should be more than adequate.

I can't even fathom why you're having so much trouble. Enemies hit softly and die quickly. Do you not have the Laconian equipment and Frad Mantle or something? Do you not know you can save in dungeons? Are you spamming Thunder instead of putting Noah on post-battle healing duty? Do you buy Burgers? Do you realize the Laser Gun is Odin's best weapon?

[Anonymous No.1977463]

>>1976537
>Do you not know you can save in dungeons?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.1978204]

Was there ever a retranslation or anything for PSIV? I tried playing it a few years ago, but the awkward dialogue kind of turned me away from it.

[Anonymous No.1978563]

>>1978204
There's a proper-caser patch, but that's it.
I don't remember the translation being bad, though.