/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1914926]

Which castlevania do you think is the best? Which one is the hardest?

[Anonymous No.1914931]

>>1914926
The original is still by far the best. It has the best difficulty curve and cleanest level design. 3 is probably the hardest, but X64k and Rondo are challenging, too.

[Anonymous No.1914948]

Rondo is the best.

3 is the hardest

[Anonymous No.1914953]

>>1914948

[Anonymous No.1914965]

Rondo and the original are closely tied in my mind, CV1 for the relatively minimalist approach it takes and Rondo for showing what can be done by taking the formula and cranking the production up to 11.

Bloodlines has a special place in my heart just for being so overlooked.

SotN looks and sounds beautiful, and the castle is a wonderful place to explore and so full of tiny touches that show it was made with real love. I just desperately wish there was some challenge there beyond the self-imposed.

Order of Ecclasia gets mad love for being classic CV in Metroidvania trousers. Lovely.

Fuck it. I love the whole series.

[Anonymous No.1914987]

>>1914948
>>1914953

these

[Anonymous No.1915014]

>>1914965
>Fuck it. I love the whole series.
What about lords of shadow

[Anonymous No.1915021]

>>1914948
This is the truth

>>1914965
>Bloodlines has a special place in my heart just for being so overlooked.
Same here, I will defend it's superiority to IV til the day I die.

[Anonymous No.1915037]

IV is my favorite.

Hardest is either III or Dracula X (SNES) IMO.

[Anonymous No.1915082]

>>1915014
Lords of what now? I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist.

No.

[Anonymous No.1915102]

>>1914926
>Which is the best? Which is the hardest?
Castlevania 3.

[Anonymous No.1915135]

>>1915082
It's a curious God of War x Shadow of the Colossus crossover-spinoff by a Spanish doujin studio. Konami first embraced them, then retracted their support.

[Anonymous No.1915463]

haven't played in a long time but I remember back in the days when I learned to beat them both I thought 1 was harder than 3. and 3 was my favorite.

actually if I hadn't had Nintendo Power I probably would consider 2 to be the hardest, because there were one or two things you had to do to open new areas that I was never going to guess.

[Anonymous No.1915486]

Japanese III is the best.

[Anonymous No.1915490]

lol

[Anonymous No.1915491]

Order of Ecclesia was fucking tits, even if the characters and plot were crap

[Anonymous No.1915504]

I think Chronicles offers the nicest challenge out of the classic-style games. Original mode, that is. Great levels as well.

I like the NES games, though CV3 is a little too brutal for me.

I've never played Rondo - I really mean to one of these days.

/notretro/
>>1914965
That's sort of how I feel about PoR as I'm playing it now! It has a great control and locations, but it's very easy thus far.
I guess I am spoiled on OoE's hard mode.
/notretro/

[Anonymous No.1915509]

all you guys playing rondo are using the virtual console or what?

[Anonymous No.1915515]

>>1915509
Dracula X Chronicles

[Anonymous No.1915517]

Favorites are III, IV, and Rondo. Don't make me choose.

Hardest is either III or the X68000 version of Chronicles.

[Anonymous No.1915547]

>>1915509

I have both the VC version on Wii and the PSP port on DXC.

[Anonymous No.1915564]

>>1914965
>>1915014
>>1915082
>>1915135
>>1915504
Get your ass back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.1915567]

Best is III. Dracula X is the hardest.

[Anonymous No.1915603]

>>1915564

[Anonymous No.1915612]

>>1915509
playing on my softmodded wii

[Anonymous No.1915615]

speaking of CV, have any of you seen this? - http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/cvbook/cvbook.htm

looks fucking awesome, hopefully it's not outrageously expensive, cause I really want a copy.

[Anonymous No.1915617]

>>1915509
The PSP remake is the definitive version.

[Anonymous No.1915628]

>>1915617
no it's not.

[Anonymous No.1915640]

The original is amazing and I keep going back to it whenever I don't know what to play. Bored? Finish Castlevania another time.

[Anonymous No.1915642]

>>1915628
It absolutely fucking is, you dimwit. Even if you don't fancy the 3D visuals, it contains the original game in its entirety. AND an enhanced port of SotN.

You never played the PSP remake of Rondo, have you. Fucking admit it.

[Anonymous No.1915656]

>>1914926
I really like x68k and Bloodlines, as well as 1 and 3. I'd rate one of those as the best.

I also think Belmont's Revenge is the most underrated of the series.

[Anonymous No.1915665]

>>1915642
yes I have. the remake is fine, but inferior to the original. and the original included on the PSP game inferior to the PC Engine version.

>It absolutely fucking is, you dimwit
>Fucking admit it.

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.1915684]

>>1915617
Like hell it is.

[Anonymous No.1915687]

>>1915665
>and the original included on the PSP game inferior to the PC Engine version.
It's the same exact game.

[Anonymous No.1915689]

>>1915665

Not him, but I liked some of the changes they did to the remake, such as some levels that used to be meh on the original got completely redesigned, and the dracula fight is actually challenging this time. I also don't think the 3D graphics were bad, actually, I like the detailed backgrounds, the original Rondo has some pretty levels, like the first one, but many of the levels have very bland backgrounds.

I thought the port of the original was fine, I seem to remember some people complaining about slight differences on the display or something with the PSP filtering, but the actual gameplay and content of the game is the same, so that's good enough for me. After all it's a portable game, it's obvious it won't look the same as on a TV. But it looks good enough, I think (I use the original resolution though, otherwise it looks stretched, same with SOTN)

[Anonymous No.1915691]

>>1915689
The 3D looks like absolute piss compared to the nice 2D of the original and they bishied up all the characters with Kojima's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1915696]

>>1915691
>The 3D looks like absolute piss compared to the nice 2D of the original
Actually, the original was bland as hell.

[Anonymous No.1915703]

>>1915696
Still better than that hideous 3D diarrhea having no business in a mechanically 2D game. Nothing is more disgusting and insulting to shit on 2D game with a remake by replacing all its graphics with 3D models, AS IF FUCKING 3D IS INHERENTLY BETTER.

[Anonymous No.1915704]

>>1915691

I also prefer the sprites to the 3D, but I don't think it looks bad either. And as I said, they added a lot of detail on the backgrounds which the original lacks.

As for Kojima... I like her actually, not a big fan and I also like the barbarian belmonts of the classic games, or the 90s Ryuitcher of the original Rondo, but Kojima ain't bad either.

Anyway I get it, you don't like the remake.
Not going to change your mind over subjective things (char design, sprites vs 3D), but I do really think they improved some levels and the dracula fight.

Oh also the boss rush mode with co-op multiplayer, that's a sweet extra.

[Anonymous No.1915706]

>>1915703

Dude, I also prefer 2D sprites over 3D models, but you can't say 3D games can't do 2D gameplay. Would you say Goemon's Great Adventure was a bad game? It's considered one of the best in the entire series.
There's a lot of other 2.5D platformers that are pretty good despite having 3D graphics.

[Anonymous No.1915715]

>best
CotM. I love having a HUGE amount of spells/weapons.

>hardest
CV3 was a dick sometimes

[Anonymous No.1915724]

>>1915706
>despite
That's the keyword. Goemon's Great Adventure would undoubtably work better with 2D for its 2-dimensional gameplay segments. 3D graphics with shifting perspectives simply do not facilitate intuitive understanding of collision zones for 2D interactions as well as 2D graphics do.

[Anonymous No.1915731]

>>1915703
>hideous 3D diarrhea having no business in a mechanically 2D game
The 3D int he remake is actually an improvement, but that may be subjective. What's objective is that whether the graphical engine is 2D or 3D is irrelevant. You're full of shit.

>AS IF FUCKING 3D IS INHERENTLY BETTER.
3D is inherently better. It wasn't used in the original game not because the artists liked piel-painting (which they didn't), but because 2D was all that their hardware was capable of at the time.

[Anonymous No.1915732]

>>1915731
>3D is inherently better.
You disgust me.

[Anonymous No.1915737]

>>1915724

There were a lot of parts in GGA with branching paths where you could take alternate routes on the back of the screen and the camera would change, so even if it's a 2D game, it has some 3D elements too. I think the game looks fine on 3D.

>3D graphics with shifting perspectives simply do not facilitate intuitive understanding of collision zones for 2D interactions as well as 2D graphics do.

it works surprisingly good for GGA, and I also didn't have any problem with Dracula X Chronicles. I actually found DXC to be a bit easier than the original.

[Anonymous No.1915739]

>>1915732
And I'm indifferent about you, but please stop shitposting.

[Anonymous No.1915742]

>>1915739
Learn what shitposting is.

[Anonymous No.1915968]

Glad to see people like Chronicles/X68K in this topic. The game is really good with excellent (original FM) music.

>>1915615
Looks neat, but a book like that lives and dies by its color images. I'd hope it has a lot.

[Anonymous No.1916257]

>>1915742
>Learn what shitposting is.
Jesus, you're straight off the boat from /v/, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.1916294]

>>1915509
Playing on my PC-Engine because i am a huge bitch

[Anonymous No.1916350]

>>1916257
My father gave his life, making this board what it is. Murdered by the /v/ shitposters with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, 2006. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this board over to /v/, who have had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup?

[Anonymous No.1916379]

>>1914926
>Which castlevania do you think is the best?
Rondo and/or Bloodlines.

3 is probably the hardest.

[Anonymous No.1916382]

>>1914926
I don't know about the hardest but SotN must be the easiest game in the series. I've almost won it for the first time and it offers next to no challenge to me. Now having said that I believe that whats easy for one player might be hard for another. So what are peoples opinion of SotN's difficultly?

[Anonymous No.1916392]

Never played Rondo, but I've been wanting to.
Which is the best version to emulate on a PC?

From the ones I played, my favorite was SotN. People say it's an easy game, but it's not that easy actually. The challenge comes most from exploring the castle and discovering stuff than the enemies and obstacles themselves, though, so after you already know everything about the game, there's not really much left and it becomes really easy.

Hardest is definitely Castlevania 3. It's one game I'm proud to have beaten.

[Anonymous No.1916394]

>>1916382
It's really fun, but it's by far the easiest of the CV games except for maybe 4.

[Anonymous No.1916524]

The japanese version of Castlevania 3 is my favourite, while the NA version of 3 is the hardest.

>>1915731
>3D is inherently better
Why exactly is it better? I could see you making an argument that it's more cost effective, but how is it any better for games that have 2D gameplay than 2D art? You're talking as if every artist in the industry suddenly sighed with relief when 3D became a thing.

[Anonymous No.1916673]

Have anyone here actually played Vampire Killer (the MSX2 Dracula)? By that, I mean actually played it until a certain extend. Not just fiddle around with it in an emulator and giving up on it.

[Anonymous No.1917376]

>>1916392
either emulate the PC engine version or download it on Wii VC.

someone saying that the 3D remake on PSP is the best version is laughable.

[Anonymous No.1917390]

>>1916382
Utterly piss easy and the easiest Castlevania game by far. Even attempting to strip the game entirely of its equipment system still renders it too easy.

[Anonymous No.1917416]

>>1916524
>Why exactly is it better?
Shading, perspective, reusability. Animated 2D graphics for modern resolutions that don't look flat or cheap are very hard to produce. Cost-effectiveness, yes.

>You're talking as if every artist in the industry suddenly sighed with relief when 3D became a thing.
Absolutely. Absolutely, they did.

[Anonymous No.1917594]

>>1917376

>someone saying that the 3D remake on PSP is the best version is laughable.

The remake has some new stuff like redesigned levels and a better final boss fight, plus boss rush mode.
It also includes the original PC Engine version as unlockable.

I don't get why so many people hate the remake, it's not bad. And I'm saying this as someone who prefers 2D over 3D.

[Anonymous No.1917609]

>>1917594
>I don't get why so many people hate the remake
Nobody does, it's jsut this one guy ITT. He probably thought that /vr/ is populated entirely by reality-detached nostalgic wankers or something.

[Anonymous No.1917624]

>>1914948
I came here to post this.

[Anonymous No.1917671]

Hardest: 3
Favorite classic: Bloodlines
Favorite newstyle: SOTN

[Anonymous No.1917675]

>>1916392
psp version, it has the original rondo and sotn, with peke as a bonus.

while the snes version was inferior in many ways, it still had better stage graphics and by far the music is way better than the redbook audio in rondo.

i wish a gifted romhacker would convert rondo for the snes properly using the snes version's resources

[Anonymous No.1917687]

>>1917675
Dracula X is not a "conversion" of Rondo of Blood. It's a different game that just happens to use its assets. It's like Back to Nature is to Harvest Moon 64. Please play both games and stop perpetuating this myth already.

[Anonymous No.1917695]

>>1915515
I was never that much into castlevania back in the day. That game got me hooked on the series(unlocked all the originals on it) and I now also own 1,3, and Super.

[Anonymous No.1917698]

>>1914926
Proper Cvania: Rondo
Metroidvania: SOTN (Portrait of Ruin, if not retro)

Hardest: 3

[Anonymous No.1917705]

>>1917687
same music
same protag
same stage themes

I never said they were the same game, but in terms of continuity, dracula XX can substitute for rondo of blood.

[Anonymous No.1917716]

>>1915014
We don't mention those games around here.

[Anonymous No.1917767]

>>1917716
they HAD an interesting story going for them until LoS2 ruined that too.
gameplay was never a strong element in those games...

[Anonymous No.1919852]

[Anonymous No.1919880]

3 is the hardest - especially stage 9
4 is the hardest to speedrun if you care about that sort of thing

[Anonymous No.1919883]

daily reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDQTLDVNlwc

[Anonymous No.1919914]

i like Aria of Sorrow, how bad am i? Actually i liked all the GBA castlevanias, even harmony of dissonance.

retro fav is castlevania III

[Anonymous No.1920339]

>>1919914
I liked aria and harmony but somethin about circle of the moon I just really hate

[Anonymous No.1920368]

>>1919883
What's this supposed to mean? It's a so-so arrangement for the piano of a theme that is unimportant in the series. So? Do you mean to underline the rot and irrelevance of Castlevania franchise past 64k and Rondo?

[Anonymous No.1920752]

>>1917705
Does anyone really care about continuity in Castlevania of all things?

[Anonymous No.1920783]

Simon's Quest is da best!

Hardest is Amiga Castlevania port. Try it for yourself and see...

[Anonymous No.1920792]

>>1920752
SotN fans do.

[Anonymous No.1921086]

>>1920792
It's kinda funny because SoTN was the first game that actually tried to establish a continuity between the games (outside of the NES >direct sequel and so on).

Chronicles be beastin' I love the fact that you get not one, not two, but four different soundtracks in the game. I mean, the newest one is kind of lame, but still! You can't beat that value!

[Anonymous No.1921087]

>>1919880

>4 is the hardest to speedrun if you care about that sort of thing

Not sure if hardest, but I can second that IV is actually not as easy if you want to 1cc it.

Later levels in the game are challenging and it's hard not to fuck up.

[Anonymous No.1921376]

So, if I may disrupt this harmonious thread with my trolling: what's the WORST Castlevania?

[Anonymous No.1921605]

>>1914948

[Anonymous No.1921697]

Lords of Shadow

[Anonymous No.1921707]

>>1921697
>>>/v/