What do you think about I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?

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Anonymous Fri Sep 5 08:00:53 2014 No.1914576 [Reply] [Original]

What do you think about I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 08:14:28 2014 No.1914581 /vr/ loves it. In fact, it's probably our favorite P&C despite only being an 8/10 one. It's edgy but darkly humorous plus individual chapters are short and satisfying which makes it fairly ideal for 4chan types to be introduced to the genre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 08:14:59 2014 No.1914582 I think its a fairly entertaining short story by Harlan Ellison

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 08:23:03 2014 No.1914587 >>1914576 Shit game that thrives on the edgy crowd with no good puzzles to speak of.

Anonymous Fri Sep 5 09:02:41 2014 No.1914618
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>>1914576
It's one of my favourites.
It's not perfect by any means. Some of the puzzles are dumb (though it could be a lot worse) and the final scenario seems rushed and makes little sense.
However, the writing and the setting more than makes up for it. It's one of the few games where the story actually affected me and I affected cared about the characters.
If anything you should play it just for the uniqueness of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 09:15:24 2014 No.1914634 It had no real voice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 09:52:24 2014 No.1914672 >>1914576 i managed to toss to the elevator scene

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 10:34:03 2014 No.1914708 >>1914582 This, and one that has great potential for a competent screen adaption. The game however is an unfocused, buggy mess. Still love it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 5 19:19:53 2014 No.1915770 I think it's better than the Walking Dead game.

Anonymous Sat Sep 6 06:06:06 2014 No.1917025

The puzzles are unnecessarily abstract and punitive, but it has a great setting and atmosphere. The artwork is beautiful.
The idea of exploring these characters that just sort of existed in the short story was brilliant.
Still, not a very intuitive point and click game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 06:48:01 2014 No.1917069 >>1915770 really not hard at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 06:54:39 2014 No.1917073 >>1914576 Great game and elder god tier soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ri9smvKJY&list=PL13A67E07FC501BDE&index=2

>>	noko Sat Sep 6 07:34:49 2014 No.1917102 File: 224 KB, 372x325, Edgy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1915770 >>1917069

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 07:55:33 2014 No.1917114 >>1917102 He said something you don't agree with and you call him edgy? Please look up what that word means. We'll wait for you. Also >using noko >2014

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 08:40:41 2014 No.1917141 Not great in terms of actually having to figure out what to do, but definitely engaging and interesting to experience the writing and world. I played through this with a walkthrough: whenever I'd get stuck I just looked up what to do next. Enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 08:48:29 2014 No.1917145 >>1917102 So 'edgy' means nothing now then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 08:49:56 2014 No.1917149 >>1917145 indeed. Also, this game is edgy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 10:00:11 2014 No.1917205 >>1917149 Well you've got a point there. >psychotic AI kills every living thing on Earth and keeps five humans to torture for all eternity Not even razor blades welded to razor wire is that edgy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:11:29 2014 No.1917306 >people don't realize it was based on a short story

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:14:42 2014 No.1917309 >>1917306 literally the third post in the thread is that its a short story

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:22:19 2014 No.1917326 >>1914582 According to Ellison the game is actually the canon version of the story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:23:04 2014 No.1917329 >>1914634 5/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:27:11 2014 No.1917340 >>1917205 Being edgy doesn't make it bad, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:45:32 2014 No.1917389 >>1917309 Second post, actually. And the fourth post is someone saying the final scenario seems rushed and makes little sense", as if that's the fault of the game developers for sticking to the story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 6 11:58:09 2014 No.1917430 File: 21 KB, 480x360, silenceoftheAMs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1917389 The final scenario in the game isn't in the story, just the bad ending.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 7 07:57:51 2014 No.1919713 >>1917326 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 7 08:05:56 2014 No.1919725 >muh edgy Fucking retards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 7 20:24:18 2014 No.1921280 >>1919725 Way to contribute

Anonymous Sun Sep 7 20:29:02 2014 No.1921295

>>1919713
Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream_%28video_game%29

That and some print media interviews I read at the time of release which unsurprisingly aren't available in digital form.

Plus, isn't it obvious that the version that covers way more ground and backstory from the original author himself would be the definitive version?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 8 15:36:16 2014 No.1923473 >>1921295 >Plus, isn't it obvious That is a logical fallacy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 8 20:55:44 2014 No.1924203 >>1919725 no u

>>	Perjantai Dance Mon Sep 8 21:10:42 2014 No.1924246 >>1914576 >GORRISTEEEEER I always remember that one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 8 21:11:39 2014 No.1924251 >>1923473 You're a logical fallacy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 9 13:30:56 2014 No.1925786 >>1924251 What makes me one?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 10 14:59:23 2014 No.1928645 >>1917430 What is so bad about it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 10 19:35:04 2014 No.1929398 >>1919725 dis b bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 10 19:37:13 2014 No.1929409 Someone please explain what this shitposting about edgy is and why is "being edgy" a negative thing? I don't see people screaming EDGY about Doom and such games where all you see and do is killing and mutilating knee deep in satanic imagery.

Anonymous Thu Sep 11 10:59:48 2014 No.1930535

>>1929409
Being "edgy" is trying to get attention through misanthropy, or thinking you're enlightened, deep, emotionally scarred, or an outcast because you don't like thing or poorly imitate psychopathic tendencies.

Or are an actual psychopath and are just an egomaniac and think you're soooo fucking scary because of it.

Basically, as a society we're no longer shocked or impressed with moustache-twirling evil.

DOOM is just mindless fun, and has no correlation to actually maiming people.

Anonymous Thu Sep 11 11:07:21 2014 No.1930552

it has an amazing story but like some people have mentioned, a lot of the puzzles can be obtuse. for instance, i got through the nazi chapter, but i didnt activate the golem or whatever. and i just got outright stuck on the desert gas station part, apparently i had to do something absolutely retarded with the spilled punch that i have no idea how anybody would think of doing especially because whenever you interact with it you normally die so you avoid it. oh well. i havent tried this game with a guide, but im honestly just straight up considering doing it so i can actually enjoy it, which is something i try my goddamn hardest not to do with adventure games

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 11 11:59:08 2014 No.1930638 >>1928645 It's not a "bad" ending. It's the ending you get when you lose.

Anonymous Thu Sep 11 12:02:32 2014 No.1930647

>>1930552
You don't do anything with the punch.
You will have to use the magnifying glass on the debris in that room, though. But this is hinted by you being told to "have a closer look" there.
The dumb bit was you having to use the magnifying glass to see that there were still organs left in the meat in the freezer.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 12 09:53:02 2014 No.1932893 >>1930679 What does that have to do with this game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 12 10:15:13 2014 No.1932938 >>1930535 So it's a big no no to ever make any sort of form of media with such elements ever?

Anonymous Fri Sep 12 10:34:04 2014 No.1932980

>>1930647
>The dumb bit was you having to use the magnifying glass to see that there were still organs left in the meat in the freezer.
Another dumb part about that whole sequence was that the magnifying glass just appeared out of thin air after talking to the guy at the bar or whatever it was.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 12 10:45:48 2014 No.1933003 I got to the part where you play as the Nazi doctor and somehow managed to do the right combination of things to make the scenario unwinnable. Great game up until that part, though.

Anonymous Fri Sep 12 23:49:32 2014 No.1934512

>>1932938
No, weren't you listening?

It's trite to, specifically for sales/attention/to appear super knowledgeable, make media that's so rife with it that it becomes monothematic.

The original short story was definitely getting into this territory as was a lot of sci-fi of the same time period, but that was largely caused by the repressive culture of the day and it does seem like the author had a theme in mind, rather than just throwing together edginess and relying on shock value.

Of course, at the time people lapped it up regardless, or gave satisfyingly shocked reactions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 12 23:51:03 2014 No.1934516 >>1930647 >>1932980 The story is surrealist and all about an AI fucking with the heads of the protagonists, what did you expect?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 12 23:56:52 2014 No.1934523 they should make this a movie

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 13 00:26:36 2014 No.1934587 >>1924246 Only Harlan Ellison could sound so cheesy and evil at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 13 21:01:50 2014 No.1936446 >>1934587 That is why I love him

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 13 21:03:01 2014 No.1936450 >>1914576 IT REMINDS ME OF YOUR MOM AND ME DURING INTERCOURSE I SHOVE THAT BALL GAG SO DEEP DOWN HER PRETTY THROAT

Anonymous Sun Sep 14 12:49:30 2014 No.1937925

>>1914581
>It's edgy but darkly humorous

I wouldn't consider this edgy, It's extremely dark but it's fitting for the subject matter and most of the really dark stuff is done in a mature tone. When I think of edge I think of trying too hard to be 2cool4school like DmC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 14 12:53:41 2014 No.1937936 >>1917389 >as if that's the fault of the game developers for sticking to the story. Well that's the thing, they didn't follow it through 100% because Ellison wanted it to be literally impossible to get the good ending.

Anonymous Sun Sep 14 18:52:50 2014 No.1938829

>>1930535
>misanthropy
The best way to solve puzzles involves trying to make each of the characters overcome their own personal traumas and sins, to lead them to being the best people they can be, despite the horrible circumstances. This is the exact opposite of misanthropy.

>or thinking you're enlightened, deep, emotionally scarred, or an outcast because you don't like thing or poorly imitate psychopathic tendencies.
Harlan is not THAT full of himself. He just does his best to be clever, and to make things interesting. He delivers.

You know what you seem like according to your own definitions bro?
Super edgy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 14 20:21:50 2014 No.1939081 Reminder that Ellison only wrote the original story in one night so he made the game good to atone for the fact that this is begrudgingly his most popular work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 15 15:51:42 2014 No.1940932 >>1939081 More writers should atone with a video game

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 15 15:54:56 2014 No.1940940 >>1939081 Why does it matter how long it took him to write it? Not asking you personally, but it's more of a question for him, and since he's not here, more of a rhetorical thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 15 22:25:49 2014 No.1941653 >>1938829 You know what you seem like according to your own comment bro? Super illiterate. I never so much as implied that this game fell within the category; I was providing a definition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 15 22:31:53 2014 No.1941665 >>1940940 >>1939081 He's a highly prolific short story writer, I'm certain he's written more than one of his stories in a single night.

Anonymous Mon Sep 15 22:37:36 2014 No.1941681

>>1941665
Shit, he's written stories in the time you could drink a cup of coffee;

Is it true that Ellison once wrote a complete story while sitting in a bookstore display window?

Yes. In fact, he has written more than 40 stories that way and in other public places, including a live radio show. He sometimes asks spectators for a story title or theme and produces a story to match on the spot.

>>	Anоnymous Tue Sep 16 08:27:08 2014 No.1942362 Fuck that last stage though, seriously Couldn't be bothered do to it without a walkthrough

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 16 21:47:11 2014 No.1943912 >>1942362 Some games are designed to be played with a walkthrough for some parts

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 17 00:08:12 2014 No.1944180 >>1914708 More of his stories should be turned into games or movies. I've recently finished two of his collections, and loved them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 17 00:14:29 2014 No.1944201 >>1941681 One of them he wrote on a flight between LA and NY. So fucking based. I wish I was him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 17 22:01:55 2014 No.1946169 >>1944201 If you like him so much, why don't you marry him?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 12:33:01 2014 No.1947191 >>1937936 Ellison confirmed for being a masochist

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 16:10:05 2014 No.1947583 >>1947191 Nah he hates gamers, that's all. THE PHIL FISH OF LITERATURE

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 19:12:43 2014 No.1948084 >>1947583 So he hates gamers so much he put a hint system into the game?>>1947583 It's just like Dark Seed, there's no way you're getting the good ending right off the bat - you just do better every time you play until you do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 19:14:47 2014 No.1948093 >>1948084 Have you seen or read any interview with him that are related to video games?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 19:36:56 2014 No.1948183 >>1948093 Yes. He hated games before he made one, and enjoyed the process of making one immensely and consequently considers the video game version of No Mouth to be the definitive version.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 20:26:40 2014 No.1948362 >>1946169 FUCK YOU I WOULD IF I COULD

Anonymous Thu Sep 18 21:35:02 2014 No.1948564

>>1914576
good game.
good book.

Not outstanding, just plainly good. Wich might get it overrated when we have so manyshitty games.

Some ideas are excellent but playability kinda sucks, as most of the point and click games of the era, which might be a reason for not to judge it by its glitchy movement and stuff.

BTW, the voice of AM is the actual writer of the book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 21:39:41 2014 No.1948578 >>1914576 dated, dated, daaaaated, but a classic nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 18 21:52:42 2014 No.1948627 >>1943912 literally what

Anonymous Thu Sep 18 22:49:27 2014 No.1948834

>>1947191
>>1947583
I felt playing it and going for the good ending it was pretty obvious why he didn't want it. Not due to masochism or hating his audience, but because it does not go well with the story he has built so far. The good ending is like this hamfisted pink unicorn placed into a Giger painting. Of course, not having a "happy end" to reward the hard work of gamers is unthinkable. The lack of enforced bad endings is a pretty big issue. Jimmies should be rustled sometimes.

>>1948183
In his defense, that was because he had played some console Jurassic Park game and that's hardly inspiring stuff, plus he seems to not like the idea that games are all about enjoying violence and murder.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 19 12:52:26 2014 No.1949963 >>1914581 what about Starship titanic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 19 13:00:25 2014 No.1949970 >>1948627 As opposed to figuratively what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 20 11:04:49 2014 No.1952256 >>1948834 I hope it wasn't the SNES one. That was a good Jurassic Park game unlike the Mega Drive one

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 20 12:13:26 2014 No.1952359 >>1952256 I think it was the crazy arcade one where it's just shooting dinosaurs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 20 12:42:39 2014 No.1952403 >>1952256 >sega Jurassic Park >bad Its mechanics were dodgy, but it still was fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 20 13:50:29 2014 No.1952531 I'd tell you, but I Have No Hands and I Must Type.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 20 14:43:35 2014 No.1952629 It's one of my favorite games, but it has problems. The puzzles are ridiculous most of the time and you have to do things that make no sense. The story and narration of AM by Ellison is fantastic though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 21 00:06:40 2014 No.1953778 >>1952531 Oh you

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 21 17:07:59 2014 No.1955440 >>1952403 The hit detection was really bad. And the controls left a lot to be desired. I kept falling out the stage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 22 00:55:45 2014 No.1956384 >>1948627 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GuideDangIt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 22 01:10:29 2014 No.1956408 >>1941653 I came back to this thread just to reread this post. 10/10 exactly what I said to myself after I read this >>1938829

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 22 17:01:29 2014 No.1957603 >>1956408 You should ask him for his phone number while you are at it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 23 11:06:54 2014 No.1959147 >>1952629 What is so ridiculous about the puzzles?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 23 22:25:15 2014 No.1960373 >>1952359 He should have known better than to dismiss an entire medium based on a single game

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 24 00:15:34 2014 No.1960595 >>1960373 He's just biased, like all old people really. Ever seen that "Harlan Ellison's Watching" thing where he believed a kid shot his friend because of the Konami Justifier?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 24 00:39:37 2014 No.1960652 >>1947583 More like he hates fucking everybody. Ellison is a great writer but one of the biggest assholes on the planet. The Fish comparison would be apt if Fish was talented and acclaimed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 24 14:35:27 2014 No.1961641 >>1960652 What makes him an asshole?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 24 14:50:44 2014 No.1961684 >>1961641 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison#Controversies_and_disputes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 24 22:01:30 2014 No.1962783 >>1961684 People need to grow thicker skin

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 25 14:23:15 2014 No.1964018 >>1960595 Someone should make Ellison play Snatcher

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 25 21:02:48 2014 No.1964949 >>1914582 >its a fairly entertaining

>>	sega Thu Sep 25 21:20:53 2014 No.1965000 >>1964949 >he's nitpicking punctuation on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 25 21:24:25 2014 No.1965004 >>1965000 >You don't

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 26 14:05:19 2014 No.1966430 >>1914587 What is so shit about the game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 26 23:06:10 2014 No.1967467 >>1914618 >Not thinking your favourites are perfect

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 27 13:27:28 2014 No.1968504 >>1914634 You didn't like the voice acting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 27 14:00:14 2014 No.1968573 I think the bad ending art, which is also the original one in the book, is amazing. It reflects the description he gave of that weird creature perfectly.

Anonynomus Sat Sep 27 19:42:51 2014 No.1969257

Tried playing it a couple of years ago, loved it until I ran into a dead-end.

Spent a long time trying to figure out a puzzle, only to finally read from a walkthrough that you can end up in a situation where it becomes impossible to progress if you happen to do things in the wrong order. Lost interest after that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 28 11:45:18 2014 No.1970507 >>1969257 You should give it another chance

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 28 19:16:15 2014 No.1971435 >>1968573 What is so bad about the ending art?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 28 19:22:40 2014 No.1971446 >>1971435 SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THESE ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT NON-QUESTIONS, EVERY GODDAMN THREAD IN /vr/ IS FULL OF YOUR TRITE INANITIES, AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE DUDE'S COMMENT PROPERLY YOU MOUTH-BREATHING SHITHEAD

Anonymous Sun Sep 28 19:42:55 2014 No.1971473

>>1969257
That stuff is annoying. In such cases it's acceptable to check a hint guide to see if you're at a dead end or just stuck.
At least the game allows you to "kill yourself" and end the scenario at a dead end, as well as give you hints that you've fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 29 02:10:02 2014 No.1972167 >>1968573 I agree! I adore the story and the artists totally gave it their all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 29 02:19:51 2014 No.1972176 >>1971446 I mean, aren't they all his threads though? All the "What do you think about ________" threads?

Anonymous Mon Sep 29 02:37:50 2014 No.1972194

>>1972176
At least a decent thread can be made out of these otherwise contentless ops, but bumping the threads with these completely useless "What do you like/hate about x?" posts ruins them entirely.

It's just as tiresome as that dickhead who does nothing but greentext every grammar mistake he sees.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 29 05:26:58 2014 No.1972374 I played it back in the day, now got it recently from Steam, apparently updated with SCUMM engine. Anyone tried it out, is it better than the original one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 29 16:59:07 2014 No.1973321 >>1972374 If it runs in the SCUMM engine, it has to be better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 30 11:35:17 2014 No.1974873 >>1914581 How did you determine it was our favorite P&C?

Anonymous Tue Sep 30 11:45:40 2014 No.1974891

It relied way, way too heavily on visual and thematic metaphors for it's 'puzzles'. It's a fairly fucking unique experience trying to play it without guides etc., though I maintain that last section is either impossible without one, or the trial and error involved is way too time consuming to bother.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 30 20:30:51 2014 No.1975828 >>1974891 >it's 'puzzles'

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 1 06:02:18 2014 No.1976576 >>1914618 GOOOOORRRRRRIIIISSSTTEEEERRRR!!!!

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:29:21 2014 No.1985352 >>1914576 Mediocre. In terms of an adventure game it's downright shitty and as a post-apocalyptic "horror" story it's meh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 17:23:18 2014 No.1987868 >>1985352 Why do you think the story is meh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 20:27:21 2014 No.1988214 >>1914634 Sure, but Harlan Ellison's AM is one of the GOATest of all time. I almost wish he voiced some more roles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 20:31:08 2014 No.1988220 >>1930679 Yeah, actually this is probably the edgiest game of all time when I think about it. You can't deny it.

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