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1893139 No.1893139[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Are leap of faiths a good or bad thing in games?

>> No.1893149

>>1893139
They need to be indicated somehow. Randomly dropping secrets at the bottom of seemingly-lethal pits is not good. If it's hinted at, it can be fun though.

>> No.1893170

If it's anything like that one level from Tazmania, it's a horrible thing.

>> No.1893176

It's bad because it punishes playing well. In most games if you're good you'll never fall into a pit at all, and nobody wants to jump in to every pit on each level in the hopes of randomly finding a secret.

>> No.1893178

>>1893149
>Sonic1
>see rings underground covered by moss and fencing, very well hidden
>fake wall
>paydirt

or

>texture slightly different
>breakable

that shit is hands down the best mechanic

>> No.1893183

>>1893139
For bonus areas, sure.

Someone who cares about 100% games might disagree, though. I was fine with it in DKC.

>> No.1893617
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1893617

That depends on your faith doesn't it.

>> No.1893621

That one in PoP 1 was classic.

>> No.1893627

Good thing.
Donkey Kong Country did it right.

>> No.1893654
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1893654

>>1893617
izzat you chester

did you really survive all this time

>> No.1893669

>>1893139
If it's intended then it's cool

>> No.1893671

>>1893139
when it's Beetlejuice on NES, it's bad

>> No.1893694

Bad game design, straight up.

>> No.1893702

>>1893149
wtf its fine if its a secret, i think its bad when you have to make a leap of faith during normal gameplay.

>> No.1893709

>>1893176
>>1893149
These.

>> No.1893721

Whenever you jump down a pit at the bottom of the screen, you will end up in one of two places:

1 is at your respawn point (platformer rules)
2 is at the bottom of the pit (action-adventure "Metroid" rules)

A game should pick one of these and stick with it. Finding a secret at the bottom of an otherwise deadly hole is about as intuitive as insta-dying from a vertical room transition in SotN.

>> No.1893748

>>1893721
It's called a secret for a reason, duke nukem didn't have to make their secrets stand out in anyway to be found. If you retexture it kind of defeats the purpose of being secret.

>> No.1893756

>>1893748
And how many of the secrets in Duke Nukem are in places that would instakill you in normal circumstances?

>> No.1893757

>>1893149
Yeah this guy gets it. There needs to be something "off" to distinguish it from just normal falls

>> No.1893768

>>1893176
Agreed. Even if it's an optional secret, it shouldn't require you to do something counterintuitive. That's pretty much the definition of artificial difficulty.

>> No.1893772

>>1893768
getting secrets isn't part of the normal game though its supposed to be extra challenge.

>> No.1893774

>>1893768
You're the definition of a faggot so it evens out.

>> No.1893778

>>1893178
>texture slightly different

Might as well put up a neon sign that says "SECRET RIGHT HERE"

>> No.1893782
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1893782

I think most people agree that having random-ass pits be secrets is kind of stupid, but what about extremely convoluted bizarre secrets that involve a huge number of specific actions to unlock? I always loved those.

>> No.1893784

>>1893139
They're the very definition of artificial difficulty.

>> No.1893785

>>1893782
totally fair and not "muh artificial difficulty" as it was made by "muh nintendo" where my dad works.

I love them too I always wonder how people found out about those on their own, that room wasn't discovered till like 10 years after the game came out though, right?

>> No.1893796
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1893796

>>1893778
Well you have to do It right. Im talking a very slight difference. pic related

>> No.1893798

>>1893782
This is like half secret and half glitch right? I think this room is where you end up if the game can't load wherever room you just went into for some reason. Does anyone know what the Japanese version of the game says?

>> No.1893801
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1893801

>>1893785
I don't think it falls under the game's difficulty. Most of these secrets, while they give you some bonuses, are really pretty irrelevant to normal play, and even speedruns won't use them. They're more like easter eggs.

Pic related is another good one. In Divine Divinity you could, by way of an extremely convoluted series of specific actions, reach a secret zone where you could find the videogame programmers living in a pit and kill programming bugs

>> No.1893805

>>1893798
Houlihan Chris desu.

>> No.1893942

>>1893139
Leaps of Faith are generally bad game design. If you die without it "telling" you that it would kill you beforehand, that's the designer's fault.

>> No.1893969

>>1893942
You're like those porn guys that would rather stop having sex and jerk themselves off at the end than lose control for five seconds.

>> No.1893983

>>1893969
If you want to make pointless sex analogies, then leaps of faith are like fucking hookers without condom.

>> No.1894023

>>1893942
Why does it have to be someone's fault?

>> No.1894041

>>1893798
It says ここは秘密の部屋だよ~ん。みんなにはないしよだよ~ん。

>> No.1894050

>>1893796
It's better when it's one or 2 pixels off and you think that the people making the level/game must have missed that small error, then, accidentally, you hit it/activate it and it opens to reveal a secret item.

>> No.1894053
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1894053

no, faith is a very bad thing.

>> No.1894054

I like them.
If I was correct,found some secret shit.
If I was wrong,at least there is some comedy value.

>> No.1894581

Secret areas? Ok

Things that you may require to advance through the game? Yeah no. Unless you have a way of checking (by scrolling the camera down or something)

>> No.1894909

>>1893139
>leapS of faith
Fixed it for you.

>> No.1895270

Once you know what's ahead it's not really a leap of faith anymore.

>> No.1895281

>>1894581
if you can scroll like that it's not a leap of faith.

>> No.1895282

>>1895281
You can scroll the camera in every game by moving. What a retard.

>> No.1896735

>>1895282
he's talking about moving the camera manually, like holding onto the L button and pressing a direction on the D-Pad

>> No.1896765

>>1893782
This wasn't actually intentional.
After the contest was won and the room was to be included, some of the developers tried to block this from ever being accessible because they felt that it reflected poorly on the game's integrity. Another set of developers felt that it was unfair to Chris to not include the room, and put it back in. This went back and forth until the end of development.

The room is in the game, but inaccessible by normal means.

Chris must have been devastated.

>> No.1896814

>>1896765

His name was also completely removed in the GBA re-release

>> No.1896936

>>1895282
>what is reading comprehension

>> No.1896995

>>1896936
My reading comprehension is fine, I was questioning the poster's actual comprehension. He was asking for a mechanic that lets him check blind jumps. There is one and it costs one life.

>> No.1897138

>>1896995
that's no a mechanic bra, that's bad design

>> No.1897345

>>1897138
Why is that?

>> No.1897651

LEAPS of FAITH