Metroidvania!

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1885890]

Let's have a Metroidvania thread! What's your favorite? Know of any hidden gems? Why is (Insert game) superior to (insert game)?

[Anonymous No.1885904]

>>1885890
I haven't played any Castlevania game all the way through.
I have only played Metroid Primes 1, 2 and Hunters all the way through.

What should I do now?

[Anonymous No.1885905]

Super Metroid > SotN, fgt

Was there even anything that counts as a "metroidvania" between SotN and the GBA entries?

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1885910]

>>1885905
To each their own, I suppose.

Are you asking castlevania wise?

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1885914]

>>1885904
Play Metroid, Metroid 2, Super Metroid, SoTN, and the GBA castlevania games, obviously :P

[Anonymous No.1885946]

>>1885914
I've heard Metroid 2 was bad though, and wasn't even canonical.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1885952]

>>1885946
I think you've got some bad intel, hombre.

[Anonymous No.1885957]

>>1885946
>Metroid 2
>Bad
what

[Anonymous No.1885979]

There is only one "Metroidvania" that's relevant to /vr/. Just say you want a Symphony of the Night thread if that's actually what you mean.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1885990]

>>1885979
Metroid games also apply.

[Anonymous No.1885998]

>>1885946
>wasn't even canonical

[Anonymous No.1886025]

>>1885979
There are other Castlevania games that apply, although in hindsight don't know if they count as retro, and besides that Metroid and Castlevania weren't the only Metroidvania that existed.

[Anonymous No.1886027]

>>1885905
Yes. They all counted as Metroidvanias. Next question.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1886032]

>>1886025
There is a whole slew, however they are mostly forgettable. Wonder Boy III comes to mind....

[Anonymous No.1886050]

>>1886032
I'll grant you that.

[Anonymous No.1886056]

>>1886025
What other good metroidvanias are out there?

[Anonymous No.1886062]

Goonies 2 comes to mind as an old and not very common one, even if some features really stand out as not fitting for a metroidvania (bottomless pits, point-and-click segments).

[Anonymous No.1886071]

>>1885990
Uh no, those are called "Metroids".

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1886084]

>>1886071

[Anonymous No.1886091]

>>1886027
??? "they all"? I asked if anything that could be considered a Metroidvania came out between SotN and Metroid Fusion?

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1886098]

Here is a list of games I've stumbled upon. Some, I don't feel exactly fit the bill, but, it's a pretty huge list.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Essays/essay-squalidpumpkin5.htm

[Anonymous No.1886102]

>Metroidvania

[Anonymous No.1886105]

>>1886098
I've seen lists that say Mario 64 counts

[Anonymous No.1886108]

>>1886091
Ah, sorry. I must've misread that.

Zero Mission debatably although I find it quite linear, and most of the GBA Castlevanias, at least for those franchises. Metroid suffers from a serious lack of games in general, really.

[Anonymous No.1886113]

>>1886102
"Every thread until people stop using the term!" I guess?
Have fun.

[Anonymous No.1886120]

The Divide: Enemies Within was the closest thing to Metroid on the PlayStation.

[Anonymous No.1886125]

So now that the guy who supposedly coined this has finally been outed as the corrupt cocksucking industry shill that he is, can we finally stop using this idiotic phrase already?

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1886132]

>>1886125
Sure, Do you know of any Castleroid games?

[Anonymous No.1886147]

>>1886125
You seem really hostile to an agreed-upon word with an agreed-upon definition.

[Anonymous No.1886149]

>>1886125
No. It's been used fucking forever, no one is going to stop.

[Anonymous No.1886153]

>>1886147
It's very much not agreed upon. Nobody can seem to make up their mind on what it actually describes.

[Anonymous No.1886169]

>there will never be a sequel to Demon's Crest

[Anonymous No.1886172]

>>1886169
why would you do this

[Anonymous No.1886189]

>>1886153
An action-adventure game, usually sidescrolling and sometimes with RPG elements, where you gain access to new areas by acquiring new items/abilities.

It's not our fault that people around the internet are too stupid to know what an action-adventure is.

[Anonymous No.1887086]

Been fucking around with ROM hacks more lately. Why hasn't anyone put Samus in a Castlevania or a Belmont or whoever in a Metroid? Too complicated?

[Anonymous No.1887162]

Shantae is the shit tho

[Anonymous No.1887185]

>>1886091
Now you've asked 2 different questions, as CotM came out before Fusion

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1887192]

>>1887086
I endorse this idea.

[Anonymous No.1887196]

Don't know if this counts, but there's a pretty cool free-ware game called Return of Egypt that plays like a mix between conventional and exploration-based castlevania games

[Anonymous No.1887206]

>>1887162
To be perfectly honest, Shantae was super fucking boring.

The graphics and animations are light years beyond anything else, and the music is okay, but the gameplay was pretty meh. Go here, get that, then go here and get this, then get an upgrade that allows you to reach an unreachable location, then repeat ad infinitum...

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1887217]

>>1887196
I just played an old dos game called Vigilance on Talos V. It's pretty much a straight, budget PC clone of Super Metroid where you are this contra looking duder.

It's hammy, and great.

[Anonymous No.1887236]

>>1886189
This is so hilariously wrong. The definition of a Metroidvania is simply a game in the Castlevania series that rips off Super Metroid and throws in a bunch of RPG elements.

[Anonymous No.1887247]

>>1887236

uhhhhh


it doesn't have to be in the castlevania series to be a metroidvania

[Anonymous No.1887254]

>>1887247
Yes it does.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1887257]

>>1887236
It's funny when people are hilariously wrong about calling things hilariously wrong.

This term has been adapted to mean a certain genre of video game. It's generally accepted as such.

[Anonymous No.1887258]

>>1887254

nigga shut the fuck up with your contrarian bullshit

all you have to do is google metroidvania to see that you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.1887263]

The Dizzy series obviously

[Anonymous No.1887268]

>>1887258
>>1887257
It's a complete misuse of a term and only serves to obfuscate discussion. Please stop.

[Anonymous No.1887272]

>>1887268

By putting such a strict limit on what the term is you close discussion of other similar items, which is the entire point of this board.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1887276]

>>1887268
Nah, I'm going to call it what I want. See, the thing that happened in this thread already is that people knew EXACTLY what I was talking about.

Why is that? Because the term is ACCEPTED to mean exactly what it means. That's what happens with terms. They get coined, slowly grow to be accepted, and are used more heavily.

[Anonymous No.1887279]

>>1887272

I don't care if you think it's just games in the castlevania series with metroid elements. I'm looking for games that are similar that fall outside of that series. Any moron can get ahold of the castlevania metroidvania games. I want more obscure titles to play.

[Anonymous No.1887282]

>>1887236
>This is so hilariously wrong.
Not really, but keep on shitting up the thread. Sure is video games in here.

[FlukeNukem !!6kjCqUw3WmP No.1887286]

This is that old Dos game I mentioned, Vigilance on Talos V. Seriously, you guys should try it out.

[Anonymous No.1887324]

A lot of people forget about this gem. A nice little proto-SotN

[Anonymous No.1887327]

>>1885946
It's absolutely canon. It's one of the four "main series" games, the other three of which are the original (obviously), Super Metroid, and Metroid Fusion.

[Anonymous No.1887345]

One of all time favorites
Maybe I should play it today

[Anonymous No.1887471]

>>1887324
I bought this for like $10 and was actually kind of disappointed at its difficulty. Maybe it's just that I didn't get far enough but there doesn't seem to be any kind of save or password system, and IMO trying to beat any Metroidvania style game in one sitting blind is a little intimidating

[Anonymous No.1887485]

I would definitely say that Castlevania 2 arguably counts as a Metroidvania.

Blaster Master, Strider and Rygar are three examples on the NES. The only downside is that NES-era games like this tend to suffer from various flaws like big difficulty curves, no in-game map, and usually no idea of where you're supposed to go next. I suppose if you like exploration and trial and error a lot, there's tons to be found, but I wouldn't be ashamed of pulling out a guide.

[Anonymous No.1888852]

>>1887471

There's a password system. It even has a "password" option on the main screen...

[Anonymous No.1888853]

>>1888852
>>1887471

[Anonymous No.1888887]

>>1888853
it was an pretty exploitable password system. I remember that putting the last digit to 9 gave you 9 lives or something.

[Anonymous No.1889276]

Why aren't metroidvania-style games just called metroid-style?

[Anonymous No.1889432]

>>1889276
Because SotN babbies feel the need to shove their game into the definition despite it bringing nothing to the table on its own that other Metroid-style games actually copy.

[Anonymous No.1889646]

>>1887268
if you turn out to be an academic, fair enough. If not then get off that horse, it died years ago.

[Anonymous No.1889762]

>>1887268
Usage determines meaning. You'd learn that in linguistics.

[Anonymous No.1889775]

>>1889762
>this tired excuse again
I suppose we should all just talk in incomprehensible gibberish then.

[Anonymous No.1889814]

>>1885905

Strict Metroidvanias in the purest sense:

> Symphony of the Night
>Circle of the Moon
>Harmony of Dissonance
>Aria of Sorrow
>Dawn of Sorrow

Portriat of Ruin and Order of Eclessia are basically just action CVs with RPG and VERY vague adventure elements. So fuck those games. No other CV counts, because they're just action games.

[Anonymous No.1889816]

>>1885957
It's a bad game though...

[Anonymous No.1889821]

I wonder if Wario 3, 4 and so count as Metroidvanias.

You go exploring huge worlds, unlock powerups hidden that allow you to backtrack and explore old areas while also open new ones to explore, etc.

[Anonymous No.1889826]

>>1889775
ub8, m8?

[Anonymous No.1889841]

>>1886105
I fucking hate that shit SO much...

Apparently, to millenials, "hur, I so RETRO!" fucking cock-wipes and general retarded bastards, literally every action/adventure game ever made is "Metroidvania" now...
I saw some dumb fuck on /v/ last week call Shadowman a Metroidvania for fuck sakes...

Listen up anons; the following (and ONLY the following) is the formula for defines is a "Metroidvania":

>sidescrolling
>RPG elements (leveling up, equipment, abnormal status, items, a shop, ect)
>set in the Castlevania universe
>adventure elements similar to those in the Metroid series (needing to find items to get new skills and enter new areas)
>emo vampires and or sickly pretty boys

That's literally it. Just because an action game makes you beat a boss before you can get to new places (like Soul Reaver), does NOT make it Metroidvania. Because Metroidvania literally means "Metroid-like entry in the Castlevania series" Literally everything else is just a Metroid rip off of it's own arguable sub-variety or a standard action/adventure game.

Like the Aliens game for the DS as an example of a separate, non "metroidvania" Metroid rip off in it's own right.

And Metroid games DO NOT count either, as those are "METROIDS", and have none of the "-vania" elements (no RPG stuff, basically).

Stop misusing the term, or just call them action/adventure games like a non mongoloid retard.

Somebody repost that on /v/. Hell, plaster this info all over the fucking internet. We need to stop this shit.

[Anonymous No.1889857]

>>1889841
Since when you are the owner of the absolute truth, matey?

Since when /vr/'s voice is your voice?

Take your hateboner and shove it deep in your arsehole, wankster.

[Anonymous No.1889860]

>>1889841
/thread

[Anonymous No.1889870]

>non retro games
>tripfags with shit opinions and attitude
>white knights on /vr/

This thread is the very definition of cancer on 4chan.
This board is on the downward spiral.

[Anonymous No.1889890]

>>1889860
>>1889841
> samefag

[Anonymous No.1889891]

>>1889841
What would you call Bunny Must Die?

[Anonymous No.1889896]

>>1889890
Nice try, but no cigar.

[Anonymous No.1889919]

>>1885946
You're thinking Other M.

[Anonymous No.1889924]

>>1889841
>Listen up anons; the following (and ONLY the following) is the formula for defines is a "Metroidvania":
>sidescrolling
>RPG elements (leveling up, equipment, abnormal status, items, a shop, ect)
>adventure elements similar to those in the Metroid series (needing to find items to get new skills and enter new areas)
ftfy

[Anonymous No.1889934]

>>1886102
If you don't like games, why are you here? We like games. We like talking about games. We like discussing pros and cons of various games. We don't generally piss and moan about the validity (or lack there of) of what expressions people use to affirm their enjoyment or distaste of and for particular games.


Go to >>>/v/. They hate games and talking about games there, just like you do.

[Anonymous No.1889953]

>>1889934
>We don't generally piss and moan about the validity (or lack there of) of what expressions people use to affirm their enjoyment or distaste of and for particular games.
Sorry, you don't get to decide if something is off-topic just because it makes you look stupid. This whole thread practically is because SotN is the only retro Metroidvania.

[Anonymous No.1890030]

>>1889821
3 counts sort of.
Only thing stopping it from being a full blown metroidvania is that it's level-based.
Other WLs don't count though, seeing as they're all pretty linear and not about getting upgrades.

[Anonymous No.1890042]

>>1889841
Wrong.
According to your parameters, Super Metroid isn't a Metroidvania, which is a retarded statement.

When people say Metroidvania, they refer to games with maps that make you backtrack constantly when you get items and abilities that allow you to access a previously sealed off area, and are exploration-heavy.

[Anonymous No.1890046]

>>1890042
>Super Metroid is a Metroidvania
No, THAT is a retarded statement.

[Anonymous No.1890059]

>>1890046
>series' name is half of the term metroidvania
>game somehow isn't a metroidvania

Okay.

[Anonymous No.1890063]

>>1890059
Correct, Super Metroid is a "Metroid".

[Anonymous No.1890068]

>>1890063
That's the series' name. It doesn't mean shit.
Metroid Pinball is a Metroid, so what?

[Anonymous No.1890071]

>>1890068
Metroid Prime Pinball is not retro.

[Anonymous No.1890075]

>>1890071
And what does that have to do with the discussion?
Oh wait, you're trying to change the subject because you can't form a compelling argument.
Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.1890081]

>>1890075
>And what does that have to do with the discussion?
It means "fuck off back to /v/ if you want to have a general discussion about video games, where it belongs." That clear enough for you?

[Anonymous No.1890090]

>>1890081
It actually means "I can't defend what I'm saying without using /v/ as a boogeyman"

And you still can't apparently.
So I'll understand that you actually agree with me but you're too proud to actually admit it.

[Anonymous No.1890097]

>>1890090
Nope sorry, I'm not playing your game. You little shits try to sneak /v/ discussion in here all the time like this and I won't be a part of it. If you have a retro game to lend support for your moronic "genre" definition I'll be happy to refute that.

[Anonymous No.1890103]

>>1890097
>definition spans several generations and is still used today to refer to modern games, just as it is used to refer to retro games such as SOTN and Super Metroid

>r-r-retro games only

Come on, you're making yourself look like a fool.

[Anonymous No.1890109]

>>1890103
The genre for Metroid games and others similar to them is action-adventure platformer or "Metroid-like". "Metroidvania" is not a genre.

[Anonymous No.1890110]

>>1890109
Says who?
You?

[Anonymous No.1890115]

>>1890110
It's what I typed, so yes.

[Anonymous No.1890124]

>>1890115
So you're the judge who defines what counts as a game genre and what doesn't?
That's what you're saying?

[Anonymous No.1890130]

>>1890124
It's simple common sense, that's all.

[Anonymous No.1890136]

>>1890130
No no, common sense says that Metroidvania applies both to Super METROID, and CastleVANIA SOTN.

And even if it WASN'T common sense, common sense doesn't dictate what something is or isn't.

So you're gonna have to try a bit harder than that.

[Anonymous No.1890141]

>>1890136
It's simply, really.
1) Metroidvania was originally coined to mean exactly that: Castlevania games which incorporate Metroid elements.
2) It makes no logical sense to imply an attribution of Castlevania elements to Metroid-like games by the portmanteau itself when it has done next nothing to advance the formula and practically zero games use its specific series' elements.
3) The alternative definition is so wishy-washy and vague that it shouldn't be used.

I mean when people call shit like Non-retro Game A or Non-retro Game B a Metroidvania these days you know there's been a serious lapse in communication. Someone even said they heard some idiot call Super Mario 64 one in here didn't they? There's obviously a real problem here. You can either stick with the strict definition so people know precisely what you're talking about when you bring it up, or you can continue to use vague language and both communicate and think duller for it.

Or you could stop using the silly term altogether and avoid this kind of confusion or discussion entirely.

[Anonymous No.1890143]

>>1890136
>common sense says that Metroidvania applies both to Super METROID, and CastleVANIA SOTN.
I don't know what kind of retard universe you exist in, but common sense dictates that a word combining two different things should implying a melding of them. What the fuck does Super Metroid take from Castlevania? Fucking nothing, that's what.

[Anonymous No.1890152]

>>1890143
>>1890141
But if that was a valid line of reasoning, then Metroid-like wouldn't be a valid term either.
Most games referred to as "Metroid-like" don't involve weird alien fauna.

"Metroidvanias" don't necessarily have to take every aspect from Super Metroid or SOTN, that's not what it's about.

All I see is people getting their panties in a twist because of a popular term for a specific kind of game.

[Anonymous No.1890164]

One of the interesting things about linguistics, specifically the English language, is that a term doesn't have to be correct to fall into common use and thus be accepted. While metroidvania is not 100% accurate, it's a common enough term that people will understand what it means -- a game focused on non-linear progression, exploration, and open endedness.

This is no different from the regions of the US that call a Cicada a Locust. Even though the term is incorrect, it's such common usage that people will know those buzzing insects that molt by the name. Likewise, in the gaming world, people will know what a metroidvania is even if the word's origin isn't perfectly correct. You can continue to try and go against the grain and call these games something else, but ultimately threads will just wind up derailed with arguments over syntax.

[Anonymous No.1890189]

>>1890136
Man "Metroidvania" a Castlevania game with Super Metroid formula, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.1890194]

>>1890143
This

[Anonymous No.1890446]

>>1890141
>Someone even said they heard some idiot call Super Mario 64 one in here didn't they? There's obviously a real problem here.
There are tons of idiots who call LttP and OoT RPGs.
Doesn't mean there's a problem with the term "RPG".

[Anonymous No.1891501]

>>1887236
>a game in the Castlevania series
The fuck are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.1891523]

>>1890152
>being this retarded
I just don't even anymore. How can you live with yourself?

[Anonymous No.1891904]

>>1889857
>Take your hateboner and shove it deep in your arsehole, wankster.
Fucking, lol.

[Anonymous No.1893554]

Playing Metroid

How beat Kraid?

[Anonymous No.1893595]

>>1893554
shoot him with missiles

[Anonymous No.1893674]

>>1893595
That's not working

[Anonymous No.1893713]

>>1893674
also, don't die

[Anonymous No.1893715]

>>1893554
Roll into a ball, roll into him and dump bombs on him.
When you're low on energy, grab the tank.
Then go back to bombing him.

[Anonymous No.1893775]

>>1893715
grab what tank? What's to say I dont already have all the energy tanks?

[Anonymous No.1893779]

>>1893775
If you already have all, then just farm to full life and then do the bomb tactic. As long as you have the Varia you should be fine with 3+ tanks.

[Anonymous No.1893791]

I was looking for a site that had a list of hack roms of Super Metroid that was posted either here or on /v/ before, but i didn't save the link.

It had a list with 10+ hack rooms, a score to them (0 to 5 with stars images) and a short description of what it changed compared to the regular game. Alternatively, any recommendation of the good/popular ones is fine.

[Anonymous No.1893821]

>>1889814
Order of Ecclesia was pretty good. The gameplay was refreshing, with a really interesting story. It wasn't SotN, but it was better than the prior DS entries, and the gameboy ones.

[Anonymous No.1893843]

Metroidvania games are truly awesome, but they also fall in the Action/Adventure genre, which Zelda is part of for example. I'll be dumping some games.

[Anonymous No.1893846]

>>1885890
Hum.. megaman ZX?

[Anonymous No.1893848]

>>1893843
This is a good one. It's a mix of Metroidvania and straight forward Platformer, as in, you explore each stage individually. It's based on Gavan, a Metal Hero Tokusatsu series.

[Anonymous No.1893850]

Where is Legacy of the Wizard niggas

[Anonymous No.1893854]

>>1893848
Elemental Gimmick Gear is a neat underrated Action/Adventure game on the Dreamcast. It's top-down though.

[Anonymous No.1893860]

>>1893854
I like this one but it's kinda stiff.

[Anonymous No.1893872]

>>1893860
Game about a shota boy who finds a magic umbrella.

[Anonymous No.1893880]

>>1893872
>>1893860
>>1893854
>>1893848
>>1893843
None of those are remotely Metroidvanias.

[Anonymous No.1893886]

Rastan is the masterpiece for SMS, maybe not like Psycho Fox, but I love this.

[Anonymous No.1893887]

>>1893880
They are Action/Adventure games where you explore a open ended world, acquire new power ups that unlock other sections of the world to explore. You can also backtrack to get optional upgrades.

Sounds Metroidvania to me. Also here's The Scheme for the PC-8801.

[Anonymous No.1893890]

>>1893886
Isn't that a straight platformer?

[Anonymous No.1893903]

>>1893890
not completely, any phases are in vertical too

[Anonymous No.1893904]

>>1893887
>Sounds Metroidvania to me.
You need to learn what a Metroidvania is then.

see
>>1887236

[Anonymous No.1893906]

>>1893886
Not a Metroidvania, since it has stage-based progression.

[Anonymous No.1893931]

>>1893904
Well ok have fun with your castlevania and metroid thread. I was recommending some games I know but know what fuck it.

[Anonymous No.1894337]

ITT: people who don't understand what a metroidvania game is

[Anonymous No.1894357]

>>1894337
I don't think anyone does anymore. Maybe it's time we retired the term for something more descriptive.

[Anonymous No.1894515]

>>1893904
So, basically, you're shitposting at this point to dissuade any discussion about neat games because you're too autistic to adapt to varying definitions of a term.

[Anonymous No.1894516]

>>1885890
portrait of ruin or metroid fusion.
granted, they aren't the best, but they're my personal fav's

[Anonymous No.1894935]

>>1890446
>Doesn't mean there's a problem with the term "RPG".
He's not saying there's a problem with the term, but with the way people use it.

Calling videogames RPGs was always kinda nonsense, though.

[Anonymous No.1895005]

>>1894357
There's a term already and it's called Action/Adventure. Metroidvania games are Action/Adventures.

[Anonymous No.1895042]

>>1894357
Metroidvania was always a shitty term for a genre. They're exploration-oriented side-scrolling games.

[Anonymous No.1895050]

>>1894337
>metroidvania game
That sounds so strange because "metroidvania" implies that it's a game. Almost like saying "RPG game".

[Anonymous No.1895069]

>>1895042
There are tons of side-scrollers which focus on exploration. The real thing that sets metroid and the like apart is that the transitions between the levels make it feel like you're exploring a giant, organic world. Otherwise we might as well call mario bros 3 and the adventure of link "metroidvanias".

[Anonymous No.1895070]

>>1886189

>Started a thread ages ago about Action/Adventure games
>No replies

Retards don't even know what genre their games are. It kinda pisses me off because it's my favorite genre.

[Anonymous No.1895072]

>>1895069
Adventure of Link is an Action/Adventure RPG so it's definitely close to Metroid.

[Anonymous No.1895075]

>>1895050
Adventure game, platformer game, turn-based strategy game...

My personal and not very out-thought opinion thought would be a general guideline could say that abbreviations don't need the word "game" after them (RTS, Shmup, etc) while full-on wotds could use them. Some exceptions like Doom-clone and Roguelike are still awkward to put the word "game" after though.

[Anonymous No.1895106]

Does Wonderboy in Monster Land count as a Metroidvania? How about Maze of Galious?

[Anonymous No.1895124]

>>1895069
>Super Mario Bros. 3
It's a stage-based platformer with a map hub.
>The Adventure of Link
It's an action RPG.

[Anonymous No.1895147]

>>1895106
No and no.

[Anonymous No.1895180]

>>1889841
Anon, I've got flash news for you: that's ONLY the origin of the term.

Reviewers, fanzines and gamers in general back then, classified the Castlevania games in 2: Classicvania, the action/adventure games like NES, SNES, and Metroidvania, the other Castlevania games with Metroid elements + the RPG elements.

Since then, they find out they can explain the mechanics and how a game plays easily with with this term.

A convention about the exact meaning doesn't exist yet , but roughly, a metroidvania is a gema with:

>sidescrolling
>action/adventure
>RPG Elements
>Emphasis on exploration
>Needing to find items or improve skills to reach new areas

That's it. This is not an absolute thruth, but its more or less the recurrent features the reviewers and gamers evoke when they talk about a "metroidvania".

So stop whinning like a faggot and accept the term explains very well how a game plays. Even if you don't like it, when you listen "Hey, this game is a metroidvania", you automatically knows how the game is.

[Anonymous No.1895204]

>>1895180
PS: The element I mentioned are the recurrent ones, but if we're looking for the features who are the ones what defines a metroidvania, these are:

>Needing to find items or improve skills to reach new areas
>Action Adventure

PS: a metroidvania game* is

[Anonymous No.1895208]

>>1885979
>super metroid
>super castlevania IV
Yeah no go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.1895212]

>>1895204
Most action adventures that require you to improve your skills or find items to unlock new areas, so the two are kinda the same thing.

[Anonymous No.1895216]

>>1895208
>super castlevania IV
You mean Rondo. Though the only upgrade you need to reach new areas is maria.

[Anonymous No.1895218]

>>1895180
>Even if you don't like it, when you listen "Hey, this game is a metroidvania", you automatically knows how the game is.
Hah, not even. With the ridiculous assortment of games every idiot deems to be a "Metroidvania" simply because they have the smallest amount of exploration, you have no idea what something could play like when people use it nowadays. The phrase has lost all function. It doesn't describe any "genre" of games well literally, and the assumptions about about gameplay derived from using it figuratively are inconsistent and murky at best.

[Anonymous No.1895219]

>>1895212
Yeah,, "kinda" is the key word here. Like I said, I don't have the absolute thruth, so maybe here we can reach a convention on what is a "metroidvania" exactly. The only sure thing here is that a metroidvania is not ONLY Castlevania games with metroid features.

[Anonymous No.1895226]

>>1895219
>The only sure thing here is that a metroidvania is not ONLY Castlevania games with metroid features.
The fuck? No, that's exactly what a Metroidvania is.

[Anonymous No.1895227]

>>1885904
play prime 3

[Anonymous No.1895229]

>>1895227
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.1895231]

>>1895226
You're right, but like I said, that's no longer the only definition of a Metroidvania. With this selective arguing we're reaching nowhere anon and this becoming an ego fight. Just stop complaining and accept other people have different opinions. Cease activity.

[Anonymous No.1895235]

>>1885905
And Zero Mission > Super Metroid.

[Anonymous No.1895237]

>>1886169
Demon's Crest is one of the most boring and slow "Metroidvania" games.

It's praised because of the visuals.

[Anonymous No.1895239]

>>1895231
No... It's -still- the only definition of Metroidvania. Trying to use it in any other way is stupid.

[Anonymous No.1895240]

>>1895239
mmmm...

[Anonymous No.1895247]

>>1895106
This is a shitpostingvania thread mate no games here

[Anonymous No.1895248]

>>1895208
>super castlevania IV
>any kind of exploration
There's literally NOWHERE to go except forward without turning back in that game.

[Anonymous No.1895357]

1. regardless of what captain "you are only allowed to use words the way I say you should use them" may claim, I think it's extremely useful to have a term for games that are not just Action-Adventure, but specifically have that gameplay where you gain new skills/items and then have to backtrack to a previously locked area.

2. please, please don't let /vr/ degrade into another /v/. arguing about how your opinion is right and people who do not agree with your tastes are all stupid is not as fun as talking about video games.

3. the music in Blaster Master makes me erect

[Anonymous No.1895360]

>>1895357

OH SHIT that reminds me...anybody here played an indy PC game called Lyle in Cubeland? not sure if the release date counts as "retro", I guess, but it's a very retro design, intended to be similar to Blaster Master...and it fucking rules. And has rad music.

also like Cave Story I think Cube Sector might have been entirely created by one amazing dude with too much time on his hands

[Anonymous No.1895375]

>>1895357
>I think it's extremely useful to have a term for games that are not just Action-Adventure, but specifically have that gameplay where you gain new skills/items and use them to unlock new areas
Hey, agreed! Metroidvania already has a definition though, so we'll have to use a different phrase. Perhaps "Metroid-like"? There's already Roguelikes and Cabal Shooters, so it's not like there's no precedent.

[Anonymous No.1895482]

>>1895357
>3. the music in Blaster Master makes me erect
That's called "normal", and not anything else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIK5DdjpVG8

[Anonymous No.1895902]

>>1895106
Monster World series yes. From part 2 on.

[Anonymous No.1895991]

The Shaman King games on the GBA were pretty great for their metroidvania fight system

[Anonymous No.1896030]

>>1885890
There's no such thing as Metroidvania games.

Any game with a map system like Super Metroid, save rooms and power-up rooms like Super Metroid, and required weapon upgrades to progress similar to Super Metroid, is a METROID game.

Symphony of the Night is a very good Metroid game. Symphony of the Night is basically a Metroid clone. Nothing wrong with that, but let's give credit where it's due. Just because the game features RPG elements doesn't change the fact it's a Metroid clone.

[Anonymous No.1896072]

>>1896030
There's no such thing as first-person shooters.

Any game with a first person viewpoint like Doom, various kinds of guns, and power-ups like health and armor like Doom, and required finding keys and backtracking to progress similar to Doom, is a DOOM game.

Duke Nukem 3D is a very good Doom game. Duke Nukem 3D is basically a Doom clone. Nothing wrong with that, but let's give credit where it's due. Just because the game features inventory items doesn't change the fact it's a Doom clone.

[Anonymous No.1896113]

>>1896030
>>1896072
pwnt

The term has fallen into common use. It happens all the time. Get over it already.

>>1895991
I enjoyed those, i must admit.

[Anonymous No.1896178]

>>1896072
Doom wasn't the first FPS...

And yes, Doom inspired many shooters that came after it. That's why Doom is considered one of the most innovative games of all-time.

And sure, I'm all for giving credit to Doom for its inspiration on other FPS games. What's your point?

I remember when I first played Symphony of the Night back in 1997. I was like, "Nintendo is gonna sue somebody!" Haha

[Anonymous No.1896196]

>>1896030
This. It was smart on Konami's behalf to copy what Nintendo did. I still don't care though, I love the Castlevania games.

[Anonymous No.1896201]

>>1896030
This.

[Anonymous No.1896234]

>>1896072
Doom sucks though.

[Anonymous No.1896235]

>>1896234
>Doom sucks

[Anonymous No.1896239]

>>1896235
Go play Brutal Doom just like the other kiddies.

[Anonymous No.1896243]

>>1896178
>Doom wasn't the first FPS...

You don't have to tell me that. Hell, I know that's not even Wolfenstein 3D. I guess you're not quite as long in the tooth as some of the other folks here. Believe it or not, there was a time when the term "first-person shooter" was unheard of, and the most popular term going about was "Doom Clone". A similar thing has happened in recent years with "Minecraft Clone", but even some of the more dense people are starting to realize that there's room for more of... well, whatever specific name for this subgenre of sandbox games becomes popular, than just Minecraft, that some of these games aren't necessarily uninspired knock-offs and expand upon the concept in valuable ways.

I guess you'd call it something like "genre infancy". People have a history of getting very defensive when others start having their own take on a new and popular idea.

Pic related is even one of the first things to show up when searching "doom clone". Though it's something you wouldn't have needed a chart for if you were there. Like discovering WASD was a little unpopular popular before Quake.

[Anonymous No.1896246]

>>1896239
>playing Brutal Doom

[Anonymous No.1896248]

>>1896239
I hate to say it, but I hated Brutal Doom. I know you guys all hyped that up, but I'm too much of a purist. In particular, some of the sounds were annoying as hell. I forget what I really hated about it, but I remember being less than impressed and giving up on it.

[Anonymous No.1896252]

>>1896196
Yeah, that's pretty much the whole point I was trying to get across. Symphony of the Night is a great game, but it ripped off Super Metroid to the point of having pink and blue map tiles!

There's been a lot of great Metroid clones released after 1994, I admit. But Nintendo should get full credit for innovating that style of play, in which other developers added to over the years.

[Anonymous No.1896274]

>>1896072
According to that logic, wouldn't that make Doom a Wolfenstein game? Doom came out in 1993, dude. Wolfenstein was 1992.

[Anonymous No.1896286]

>>1896252
>Symphony of the Night is a great game
It's not fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as Metroid.

[Anonymous No.1896287]

>>1896274
Because Wolfenstein 3D doesn't make its way into top 10 best omgsoretro fps lists.

[Anonymous No.1896327]

>>1896287
That's not only irrelevant, but also debatable. I knew lots of Wolfenstein fans back in the day. If Duke Nukem is a Doom game, then Doom is a Wolfenstein game. Nice effort, though.

[Anonymous No.1896339]

>>1896327
so does that make duke a doomenstein game :^)

[Anonymous No.1896346]

>>1896327
It's relevant because if it's cool to like something then it completely overshadows everything else.

[Anonymous No.1896351]

>>1896072
>>1896274
Pwned

[Anonymous No.1896590]

>>1896274
>>1896243
Pwned

[Anonymous No.1896606]

>>1896351
>>1896590
Pawned

[Anonymous No.1896623]

>>1896606
Congratulations on being 5-years-old.

[Anonymous No.1896625]

>>1896623
Congratulations on being assblasted.

[Anonymous No.1896632]

>>1896625
>Congratulations on being assblasted.
This is my first post in the thread, dumbass.

I'm not the one who posted those terrible logics about that pretend Wolfenstein doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.1896646]

>>1896632
>This is my first post in the thread, dumbass.
Actually, this one is your second. :^)

[Anonymous No.1896649]

>>1896606
What kind of fag keeps a picture like that saved on his computer?

[Anonymous No.1896651]

>>1896649
The kind that just blew you the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.1896658]

>>1896649
>What kind of fag keeps a picture like that saved on his computer?

>>1896651
>The kind that just blew you

Self-PWNED

[Anonymous No.1896662]

>>1896658
(^: Nice one, m8. :^)

[Anonymous No.1896884]

>>1896239
Nigga most of /vr/ doesn't like Brutal Doom

Oh yeah here's your reply too by the way

[Anonymous No.1896925]

>>1889814

I'm gunna have to disagree SotN > PoR > *

As far as Castlevanias in general... SotN > CV3 > PoR > CV1 > CoD > *

[Anonymous No.1896926]

>>1893887

God I love low color games when done right. So sexy.

[Anonymous No.1896940]

is dis wun ov dem casltroids?

[Anonymous No.1896943]

>>1896940
no thats a roidveinia

[Anonymous No.1896970]

>>1896658
Epic pwnage. I took a screen shot of that.

>>1885890
I'll have to stick with Symphony of the Night. It's close between Super Metroid, but I invested countless hours in SoTN.

[Anonymous No.1897000]

>>1896030
>doesn't even mention the exploration and backtracking elements of Metroid
>includes save rooms even though the original Metroid didn't have them

No sir, you are the failure here.

[Anonymous No.1897007]

>>1897000
>Metroid was the first game with exploration and backtracking
We should just call all games Adventure-clones.

The argument against the term Metroidvania is retarded and people should just stop fucking caring at this point.

[Anonymous No.1897021]

>>1885946

It's not the greatest. It gets really repetitive after a while, and you can't actually go wherever you want because areas are closed off until you kill enough metroids to lower the lava. I actually enjoyed the first Metroid more because it was more challenging and the levels were more varied. Then again, it could just be a problem with the game boy being monochromatic. The game is dark so everything seems to just kinda blend together.

[Anonymous No.1897617]

[Anonymous No.1897648]

>>1897007
They're exploration-oriented platformers or EOPs. End of story.

[Anonymous No.1897809]

Never played any metroidvania of any kind before and I started the first metroid.
That shit is a real maze but I feel like I'm progressing alright, I guess.

[Anonymous No.1897829]

I recently completed Shantae. It's a Metroidvania^W action-adventure game, and it's not very fun. Transformation animation takes too long and you transform a lot. No real sequence braking possible. Lots of blind jumps because of the big sprites and small screen. Then again, I don't like the genre.

On the plus side, it's probably the best looking game on the GBC. Better graphics than a lot of 16-bit games. Music is good too.

[Anonymous No.1898045]

>>1893887
This game has fantastic soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro.
http://youtu.be/A1L1VRq3Hog

[Anonymous No.1898064]

>>1897648
>can't die in bottomless pit
>platformer

[Anonymous No.1898847]

>>1896339
sensiblechucklemagazine.gif

[Anonymous No.1899170]

>>1886132
God that sounds so much worser

[Anonymous No.1899189]

>>1895106
I don't see how Maze of Galious wouldn't count. Everyone acts like SotN was Konami's first attempt to copy Metroid but MoG came out just a year after Metroid (and before CV2, if you want to count that) and was much more deliberate. The action wasn't as fluid as Metroid, but the much higher emphasis on item-collecting and backtracking, two character system, more bosses, and plenty else made it stand out from Metroid and was overall a much deeper game. Plenty of people consider La-Mulana a metroidvania and that's basically a clone of Maze of Galious.

[Anonymous No.1900792]

>>1885890
I would say Super Metroid is my favorite, but it's not a Metroidvania game. It came out in 1994 before Castlevania copied its style.

So...

I'll say SoTN is my favorite Super Metroid game.

[Anonymous No.1901052]

>>1897829
I didn't know Shantae is a metroidvania. I really need to play it.

[Anonymous No.1903581]

>>1896940
>casltroids

heh

[Anonymous No.1903990]

>mfw zero suit samus having a whip in smash bros brawl was a fucking play on the word metroidvania because the main character's common main weapon was a whip

[Anonymous No.1904490]

most underrated of the series reporting in.

[Anonymous No.1904494]

>>1904490
playing through it right now
its pretty good so far but nowhere near SoTN and controls suck ass

[Anonymous No.1904496]

>>1904494
It plays more like the classic series, whip goodness and all, but with the structure and RPG elements of SoTN

[Anonymous No.1904497]

>>1904490
Except it's not and it's mentioned as a godsend in every Castlevania related thread I've ever seen.

Also not /vr/.

[Anonymous No.1904503]

>>1904497
The majority of metroidvanias aren't /vr/

[Anonymous No.1904509]

>>1904490
I like it. The card-based magic system is cool, and it has a similar gothic art style to the NES Castlevanias.

My only issue with it is that the summoning card (Uranus, I think?) totally breaks the game.

[Anonymous No.1904527]

My second favorite metroid-like game is wonder boy in monster world.

[Anonymous No.1904532]

>>1886098
I don't give a shit about naming conventions or whatever, that list sure does look good. Metroidvanias, adventure games, whatever.

Anything else to add to that list though?

[Anonymous No.1904536]

>>1904509
The game is only hard on Vampire Killer or Thief Mode, all the other modes make the game a joke. Still a damn fine game.

[Anonymous No.1904547]

>>1904536
I guess I just suck then, because I thought it was pretty damn hard. It took me about a week to beat it.

[Anonymous No.1904574]

>>1904547
Nah, when you play your first games in this genre you tend to take a lot longer trying to get somewhere.

Once you played like 10 or 20 of these you just get used to it. It's like JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.1904575]

>>1904547
Crosses are ridiculously broken and destroy the whole game by themselves.

[Anonymous No.1904717]

>>1896030
>Any game with a map system like Super Metroid, save rooms and power-up rooms like Super Metroid, and required weapon upgrades to progress similar to Super Metroid, is a METROID game.
I guess this one's my favorite then.

[Anonymous No.1905786]

I love Metroid but never really gave Castlevania a good shot. I played a few hours of SotN a while back and almost beat Order of Ecclesia recently. Started Circle of the Moon this week and have been enjoying it. Maybe I just prefer whip characters?

Anyways, are there any games I should definitely avoid (so far I'm getting that impression about the N64 games), or move to the top of the list? I want to get a real feel for the series and beat as many games as possible. I'm thinking either Rondo of Blood or Castlevania Chronicles after Circle of the Moon.

[Anonymous No.1905824]

I believe there's a TMNT game for Game Boy that has the Metroidvania style.

[Anonymous No.1906559]

>>1904490

I finished it recently and honestly it was meh. From gba I much more prefer HoD and AoS.

The only place where I had problems was the arena and the underground sewers.

The latter only because I hadn't beat Death yet.

[Anonymous No.1906627]

[Anonymous No.1906628]

>>1906627
+

[Anonymous No.1906630]

>>1906627
+2

[Anonymous No.1906668]

>>1904503
Too bad
Either way, try to keep it off this board