/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1873567]

What is the earliest video game to have a New Game Plus?

Pic related is the earliest I can think of; beating the game lets you continue your save file from any stage with your current number of chaos emeralds.

[Anonymous No.1873573]

>>1873567
Ghouls'n Ghost ?

[Anonymous No.1873574]

>>1873567
New Game Plus technically is a concept dating back to early '80s and possibly late '70s score-attack arcade games, where such a thing as "finishing the game" didn't exist and finishing a single round only made you play the game over again, except faster/harder

[Anonymous No.1873576]

>>1873574
The smurfs on atari had it.

[Anonymous No.1873579]

>>1873567
>Sonic + Knuckles (1994)
Zelda 1 (1987) presents a completely different quest
Zelda 2 (1987) repeats the quest with endgame stats.
Super Mario Bros. (1985) lets you pick a world to start from.

And of course you can go earlier still like >>1873576 mentions.

[Swamp Donkey No.1873621]

>>1873574
I know most of the Gradius games do this as well, even up to Gradius V.

[Anonymous No.1873634]

>>1873573
That's second loop, those were around since the 70s.

OP's example isn't right either. It's not a NG+ unless the game has an inventory or a stat progression. Carrying over points or upgrades is not NG+, but looping, as mentioned above.

[Anonymous No.1873639]

>>1873574
that's a second loop, it's not quite the same game since the mechanics get faster and harder

I always thought ng+ was an rpg thing, where you'd keep your exp and equipment through multiple cycles.

[Anonymous No.1873648]

>>1873639
>I always thought ng+ was an rpg thing
You thought correctly. Several people ITT are talking about looping and are calling it "NG+" erroneously. The concepts are only superficially connected.

Looping is when the game restarts and you just continue with your score and upgrades. It only happens in action games and shooters.

NG+ is when you can start a new game with your exp/level/stats and inventory. It's only possible in adventure and "RPG" games by definition.

[Anonymous No.1873657]

Didn't Adventure have a new game plus? Where you start over but all the shit is in different areas?

[Anonymous No.1873675]

Chrono Trigger is the earliest one I can personally think of.

[Anonymous No.1873686]

>>1873648
Aren't "score and upgrades" and "exp/level/stats and inventory" their respective genre equivalents of the exact same thing though?

[Anonymous No.1873694]

Castlevania, after you beat the game it throws you back into stage one with everything doing more damage, and bats fucking everywhere

[Anonymous No.1873731]

People in this thread need to get a few things straight:

- If the map is different, it's not a newgame+
- If the game gets harder while you stay the same, it's not a newgame+

Zelda 2 and Chrono Trigger are examples of a newgame+.

[Anonymous No.1873739]

In Diablo you can replay the game on higher difficulties (normal, nightmare, hell) but I can't remember if you can replay difficulties you've already cleared.

[Anonymous No.1873748]

>>1873731
Except what you've said also applies to CT (except it gets easier, not harder)
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Game_Plus
>A New Game Plus (or New Game+) is an unlockable video game mode that allows the player to start a new game after they finish the game at least once, where certain aspects of the finished game, such as experience or items, affect the newly started game. New Game Plus is also known as "replay mode", "remorting", "challenge mode" or "hard mode", or "New Game Ex".

[Anonymous No.1873752]

>>1873657
No, you're thinking of the highest difficulty which randomized the item locations.

[Anonymous No.1873782]

>>1873748
>(except it gets easier, not harder)
In other words, it's the complete opposite and doesn't apply to CT at all.

[Anonymous No.1874020]

>>1873782
Except nothing about the definition of new game+ states that the game is supposed to get easier or harder.

[Anonymous No.1874030]

>>1873621
> Gradius
> new game+
> HARDER, FASTER

As if the actual game wasn't hard enough.

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[Anonymous No.1874042]

>semantics over something so trivial

just gonna chime in and say that the snes smash tv and the 2nd (turbo) loop are my favorite example of OP's subj.

[Anonymous No.1874092]

>>1873567
Maybe not the first game... But definitely the best one.

[Anonymous No.1874119]

>Ctrl+F
>No Kirby

[Anonymous No.1874185]

>>1873567
in chrono trigger it was literally called new game plus

[Anonymous No.1874224]

>>1873648

>stats and equips
>score and upgrades
>not the same thing
>being this OCD

Go away kiddo, the adults are trying to talk.

[Anonymous No.1874230]

>>1874030
>As if the actual game wasn't hard enough.

Later Gradius games allow additional "loop"s with increased difficulty each time.

Gradius V allows for up to 255 of them. THAT is crazy.

[Anonymous No.1874234]

>>1874119
THIS is how second loops should've worked all along, even on arcade boards

[Anonymous No.1874251]

Doesn't Rogue have essentially a New Game+?

[Anonymous No.1874776]

>>1874230
So... Has there been any recorded or documented madmen that through the uses of cheats or otherwise, made it through all 255 loops? Is there some kind of reward at the end, or is it just pure Konami torture?

[Anonymous No.1874818]

>>1874776
The difficulty caps after a few loops. While I don't think anyone has done a one credit run through 255 loops (tviks went up to loop 16 on a credit), there are videos.

Here's stage 1 of loop 255: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSX5-j1xN_k

[Anonymous No.1874835]

Chrono Trigger

It also wasn't implemented very well in it. Not sure why people always seem to list it as a good thing.

[Anonymous No.1874838]

>>1874818
>The difficulty caps after a few loops.
Depends on the Gradius in question actually. Some add another suicide bullet every single time. Now git your non-retro crap back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.1874840]

>>1874042
I want some of these from Rayman 2.

[Anonymous No.1874868]

>>1873567
Sonic 3 doesn't really count. You don't need to beat the game to play previous levels.