/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1873302]

/vr/, why aren't you playing the best retro game there was ever made right now?

[Anonymous No.1873307]

>>1873302
But Anon, I'm playing it right now.

[Anonymous No.1873308]

>>1873307
Why would you play console games from an era where PC games where infinitely superior?

[http://nicalis.com/images/WiiU(...) No.1873310]

Got an unopened boxed copy of this. Not worth shit heh

[Anonymous No.1873312]

>>1873302
>post modern crap instead of Ultima IV

[Anonymous No.1873317]

I would rather play Vagrant Story instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GVE4a8ULww

[Anonymous No.1873323]

>>1873308

Because PC doesn't have >>1873317 or >>1873307 unless you emulate.

[Anonymous No.1873327]

>>1873302
I find it more clunky and annoying.
The mouse input is junk, the controls could be better. The music is on the awful side.

[Anonymous No.1873329]

>>1873302
>UU
>best retro game
Don't get me wrong, it was innovative, but it has more flaws than virtues.

[Anonymous No.1873343]

HA HA HA WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

[Anonymous No.1873345]

>>1873302
OP, please hype me for UU. I would like to get into it. Why is it the best? What kind of experiences might I have with this game?

Sincerely interested, but need a kick to get started.

[Anonymous No.1873346]

This here is my favourite Ultima (sort of) game. I wept tears of joy when it showed up on GoG and even better it was FREE.

[Anonymous No.1873347]

>>1873343
>downgraded bullshit

[Anonymous No.1873352]

>>1873345
It's the game that singlehandedly inspired the elder scrolls series, so that should give you an idea of the gameplay.
It's just a fun game because there's essentially no handholding and you're completely on your own, yet the game never feels unfair in any way. There's also a lot of freedom for character development, and most of the spells are pretty interresting (with stuff like stopping time and a fly spell)

[Anonymous No.1873356]

>>1873352
>singlehandedly

no, just no

[Anonymous No.1873357]

>>1873347
>downgraded

>replaces all npcs and creatures with polygon models
>remixed music
>adds sound effects

[Anonymous No.1873359]

>>1873357
>early 3d poly models instead of sprites
that's not a good thing at all

[Anonymous No.1873360]

>>1873359
It's very Kings Fieldy

[Anonymous No.1873380]

>>1873352
Also to add to what this guy said, 99% of the game's combat is utterly boring since it can be resolved by just going forward + swing then immediately go backward.
There are a lot of skills, but more than half are useless. Literally, completely useless. Also swords outclass every other weapon class by a large margin. Beyond the first two floors, the game is pathetically easy.
Magic is useless, because it's so incredibly clunky to cast anything that you'll rather kill everything with a sword anyway. You'd think a magic missile is easy to use but no, you first cast it, then your cursor turns into a crosshair, and then you go through about 5 prompts of "there's not enough space to cast the spell" before you find a big enough area to use it.
>>1873357
>replaces a horrible control system with an already worse one

[Anonymous No.1873383]

>>1873346
What's up with that setting ? It was super popular back then, Bermuda Syndrome, 3D ultra pinball lost continent, Amazon Queen, etc.

[Anonymous No.1873402]

>Not playing Blood Omen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdeA3WSL55g

[Anonymous No.1873412]

>>1873327
The mouse input is fine once you dump the icons and go for context interaction.
The main problem with the keyboard controls is having Jump placed on J so the only way to use it without remapping is to make a standing jump with shift+J. Flying up and down is a bit cumbersome but that's more of a design issue.

[Anonymous No.1873467]

>>1873360
is there a translation for that?

[Anonymous No.1873484]

>>1873308
>PC games from the Playstation era
>infinitely superior
>lolwat

That having been said I regularly recommend Ultima Underworld to people and I wish there was a full-screen HD update for it.

[Anonymous No.1873580]

>>1873402
Word. Although the PC version works smoother and faster, with less loading times. You just need the CubanRaul patch.

[Anonymous No.1873595]

>Not playing Heart of Darkness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNJIHNKHw_4

[Anonymous No.1873597]

>>1873302
Because Thief: The Dark Project is the best game ever made. Ultima Underworld is still one of my favorite games, it's almost perfect.

[Anonymous No.1873601]

>>1873580
>not aviable on GOG or Steam
why ?

[Anonymous No.1873619]

>>1873601
not enough room to gather momentum.

[Anonymous No.1873818]

>>1873345
Dude, UU came out in 1992.
Wolfenstein 3d came out in 1992 for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.1873823]

>>1873383
>What's up with that setting?

Late 80s and early 90s = dinosaurs everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1873841]

>>1873601
The rights are a bit of a clusterfuck, the series is owned by Square Enix but the game is owned by Silicon Knights and that whole mess. Also I think Activision published the PC version so that might be another issue

[Anonymous No.1873989]

>>1873302
System Shock was better.

[Anonymous No.1874378]

>>1873302
Because I'm playing Ultima Underworld 2: The Better One

[Anonymous No.1874690]

>>1873412
>The mouse input is fine once you dump the icons and go for context interaction.
Not really no. The mouse input is just junk. It's not an issue of how you use, it's an issue of it being bad.

If I polled the mouse at 3Hz in an FPS game for example, you could compensate by moving more for the keyboard more, but that doesn't make the polling rate unshit. It just means you're compensating for it more. Same thing here.

> so the only way to use it without remapping is to make a standing jump with shift+J.

Not really. I'm not suggesting it's not a shitty key mapping, I wish you could remap everything outright (within the game not using dosbox keymaps). But yeah you can use your mouse at the top of the screen to move forward and hit J while running. You can use just the keyboard with one hand if you simply rotate your hand (or keyboard as well for less awkward twisting) or curl your fingers to pull your thumb up so your thumb sits on J and you can move with the normal controls and jump, it's a bit awkward but very doable.

[Anonymous No.1875193]

>>1874690
The mouse input is good, particularly for its time. Arx Fatalis did it a lot worse ten years later.
If you have trouble with the mouse you're doing something wrong or have the wrong expectations for the game.

[Anonymous No.1875204]

Because I really dislike Lord British

[Anonymous No.1875214]

>>1874378
Uh, you know that there is actually is an Ultima Underworld 2, right? Labyrinth of Worlds.

[Anonymous No.1875220]

>>1875204
He's not even in the game.

[Anonymous No.1875225]

>>1875214
I prefer UW2 over 1. It's larger and more refined.

[Anonymous No.1875261]

>>1875225
I would've liked it more than UU1 if it was as desolate and lonely. The feeling of complete isolation in UU1 is boss.

[Anonymous No.1875272]

>>1875261
But there'S dozen of friendly inhabitants in the Abyss.

[Anonymous No.1875274]

Whoa son, that ain't Exile III at all.

[Anonymous No.1875275]

>>1875272
But there's way too much talking in UU2 in comparison.

[Anonymous No.1875285]

>>1875275
You can still feel isolated in places like Killorn, Talorus or the Pits of Carnage even when the inhabitants don't try to kill you on sight.

[Anonymous No.1875319]

>>1875285
Oh I know, but I just find UU1 a lot more lonely. Not saying UU2 is a bad game, because it's one of the best games I've ever played, but it doesn't reach UU1's level of isolation and loneliness.

[Anonymous No.1875321]

>>1875319
Maybe I've played 1 so often that I feel downright at home in the Abyss.

[Anonymous No.1875468]

>>1875214
I was jokino

[Anonymous No.1875697]

>>1875193
>The mouse input is good, particularly for its time.
Most other games I use in dosbox has no problems and the mouse is smooth as shit and works properly. UW is fucked up for sensitivity and stalling/stuttering based on speed. It's fucking terrible.

>Arx Fatalis did it a lot worse ten years later.
No it didn't.

>have the wrong expectations for the game.
Yeah, my expectation was that it would use proper mouse input like other DOSBox games.

[Anonymous No.1875727]

>>1875220

BUT HE MADE IT

[Anonymous No.1875778]

>>1875727
Actually he didn't. Blue Sky Productions (proto-Looking Glass) did.

[Anonymous No.1875829]

>>1875727
He made Ultima 8 and Lord british doesn't appear in it.
His involvement in the Underworld games was minor. He does however appear in Underworld 2.

[Anonymous No.1875839]

>>1875697
Sounds like you're doing something wrong then.
Have you tried the FM Towns or PC-9821 versions or looked at gameplay videos?
Maybe your computer is too weak and you need to lower the details.

[Anonymous No.1877813]

>>1875839
>Sounds like you're doing something wrong then.
I'm not. That's how the game rolls.

>FM Towns or PC-9821
No, because I have no real intention of emulating those.

>Maybe your computer is too weak and you need to lower the details.
Nope. Constant 70fps zero drops. Like I said, it's the way the game handles mouse input. Some games in DOS have shitty mouse input, afaik not a lot. But some. Most of the ones I have are decent. Big wonder why that is.

How bout games that don't have that problem: Quake, Doom, Wolf, Blake, Darkforces, Darklands, WC1/2, every Sierra game and every lucasarts game I've tried. Simcity/2000, C&C, Crusader, Descent, Dreamweb, Dark Savant, Darksun, Wizardy, Fade to Black, Incredible Machine, Magic Carpet, Oxyd, Spectre VR, Star Trek, Quarantine, Mechwarrior 2, Terminal Velocity, Ultima 8, Ween, Willy Beamish, XCom 1/2, Syndicate/wars, Albion.

Other games that have mouse issues, Shadow Warrior, Blood, Duke... Bmouse for build helps a bit for those, but there's still the limited degree quantization that makes smallest turn you can make about 2 pixels which is annoying for long shots.
Wing Commander 1 has fairly dick outside of action - IE bar/stats/ship.
System Shock - Moves smooth this time around - but they couldn't figure out how to fucking keep the X/Y ratio the fucking same like every other game in existence.

See a pattern here? Kind of funny how Origin games or Build engine games have issues. Games made with the same engine or by the same company tend to have the same problems when they don't seem to know or care what they're doing.. So, no it's not me doing something wrong, I didn't develop the fucking game.

>>1873412
Oh yeah, if you're moving with the mouse say place it at the top to run straight forward, and you right click at the same time, it'll jump with the same velocity as you're moving.

[Anonymous No.1877816]

>>1877813
Actually I made a mistake, I listed Crusader as not having a problem. I forgot it has same issue as System Shock, it's somewhat less of an issue during play since 90% of the time you're moving left and right to turn anyway. It's smoother. But still an issue. Because well Origin games it seems.

[Anonymous No.1877819]

>>1877816
Well inverse issue. X is more sensitive than Y that time around. System shock up and down is more sensitive.

[Anonymous No.1877851]

>>1877816
Why would Crusader have problems but Ultima 8 would not?
You're just making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous No.1877858]

>>1877851
It does actually, it's just not as bad but you use the pointer more. So... yeah, another one you can technically move off that list.
I wish I was making a fool of myself, but no. You're just making it more clear that Origin games has a problem dealing with mice.

[Anonymous No.1877863]

>>1877858
You're the one with a problem with mice in Origin games. Maybe it's your emulator but that's part of your issue and not Origins. I don't even understand why you'd play some of those titles in DOSbox.

[Anonymous No.1877874]

>You're the one with a problem with mice in Origin games.
yeah, you can go look around, these are common complaints. It has nothing to do with the emulator and everything to do with these games with different mouse input artifacts and everything with the games. You're defending it doesn't mean jack shit.

>Maybe it's your emulator but that's part of your issue and not Origins.
That's nice. But many other games don't have the problem so, no.

>I don't even understand why you'd play some of those titles in DOSbox.
Why the fuck wouldn't you play DOS games in DOSbox?

[Anonymous No.1877884]

>>1877874
Because there are better versions available. Some of them weren't even originally for DOS, for instance SC2000 was for Mac.

>you can go look around, these are common complaints.
This is the only post I found and it didn't seem to be a big issue to fix.
http://www.gog.com/forum/ultima_series/ultima_underworld_1_mouse_pointer_issues

[Anonymous No.1877976]

>>1877884
>Some of them weren't even originally for DOS, for instance SC2000 was for Mac.
And? If I were going to play a different version of SC2K it wouldn't be the fucking mac version for fucks sake.

>http://www.gog.com/forum/ultima_series/ultima_underworld_1_mouse_pointer_issues
Largely it doesn't.
That really just trades one problem for another and isn't a good fix.

Though it's irrelevant to the point of you trying to pretend that the games have no problems for no good fucking reason.

[Anonymous No.1877982]

>>1873360
who made this port?

[Anonymous No.1877983]

But OP, I am playing Dopewars. RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.1877989]

>>1877976
If you're the only one with these problems then it's obviously not the game at fault. Particularly when it involved dozens of different games covering nearly a decade of development.

[Anonymous No.1878087]

>>1877989
>If you're the only one with these problems then it's obviously not the game at fault.
That's nice. Now learn how to troubleshoot.