Cheating AI

[Anonymous No.1864602]

So, what retro game do you think has the most scummiest, cheating, not-gonna-let-you-win-period IA of all times? Pic related. I didn't notice this when I was a kid because I was a terrible SMK player but now:

>Be 1st
>2nd uses a star to pass me
>Immediately pulls another one to dodge and jump my red shell
>Then uses a third one to avoid me passing in a tight part of the circuit, all with no single [?] tile in the way.
>Meanwhile, every single IA character perfectly and timely jumps above all the bananas I've placed in their exact route.

FUCKING

BULL

SHIT

[Anonymous No.1864638]

Didn't each AI have one specific power? The Mario bros had stars, DKJ had banana peel, etc.
Still bullshit though.

Also Mario Kart 64 AI would cheat by using a series of mini teleports to catch up to the player

[Anonymous No.1864643]

UMK3's AI would read your controller input.

There were ways to exploit it though. If you jumped back and kicked in mid-air, the AI would launch a projectile at you 99% of the time.

[Anonymous No.1864656]

SMK is complete bullshit. Some of the CPU characters had items that aren't even available to the player. (Peach & Toad's Poison Mushrooms, Yoshi's Egg, Boswer's Goddamn Swerving Fireball)

[Anonymous No.1864660]

>welp, time for the player to lose
>Yellow's speed doubles, laps you just because the devs decided he can

[Anonymous No.1864671]

Yugioh Forbidden Memories, hands down.

[Anonymous No.1864676]

>>1864671
This game cheats so fucking much, it's completely ridiculous. It's like it's taunting you to cheat it back. In fact, it's most likely the only way to actually win the damn game.

[Anonymous No.1864708]

Test Drive 4, 5 or 6. That rubberband AI is so frustrating sometimes.

[Anonymous No.1864745]

>>1864602
I still have not beaten Super Mario Kart's special circuit on 150cc. It's fucking suffering, I never got good enough to beat the CPU

[Anonymous No.1864750]

>>1864676
It's possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJCVjTuz9Hw

[Anonymous No.1864781]

super street fighter 2 turbos arcade AI.

game straight up will stuff all of you moves on reaction with the perfect counter instantly.

[Anonymous No.1864793]

>>1864602
that and MK64

>in second place, got a mushroom
>get pasted by 3rd (wario), and he fire shots at 1st (peach)
>peach is laid out like a whore, I zip by and use mushroom to cut section of track to big gain
>tfw u look at mini map and notice AI moving at 3x the normal speed
>get pasted by peach with the phrase "thank you"
>lose by 0.02sec

[Anonymous No.1864798]

>>1864793
oh and then there is Super Off-Road for snes and nes.

after awhile the AI (not just the silver truck) gains more speed than you are allowed to go. Here's the funny part....
>if you stop your truck they move at normal slow speeds
>if you move your truck they move at the accelerated speed
>if you use a nitro boost they all 3 auto boost when you do.

[Anonymous No.1864813]

Mortal Kombat for the arcade. cheapest AI.

[Anonymous No.1864817]

>>1864813
I don't know if it happened in arcade, but in the SNES version Liu Kang's AI could grab and throw you from the other side of the screen, and would spam it repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.1864842]

>>1864750
>TAS
Yes, by cheating.

[Anonymous No.1864846]

>>1864671
>>1864676
>It's like I'm really in the anime/manga!

[Anonymous No.1864934]

Road Rash 64

Never have I played with such an absurd rubber banding AI. I don't even know how to describe how insane it is but if you've played it you know.

[Anonymous No.1864975]

>>1864817
And on MK2 Kung Lao could cancel any attack by grabbing you, it doesn't matter that you are far as shit.

[Anonymous No.1864990]

>>1864660
>that pic
I was going to mention the orange dude in RC Pro Am
If you provoke him enough times he goes into batshit mode and goes impossibly faster than the maximum speed of any vehicle and laps you/anyone else. Probably one of the earliest examples of racing asshole.

[Anonymous No.1865005]

>>1864781
Especially Guile, instant Sonic Boom!

[Anonymous No.1865012]

>>1865005
actually I find T.Hawk becomes a SSS+ tier character when controlled by the CPU.

[Anonymous No.1865084]

>>1864793
I'd like to think that they changed the AI with later revisions because I never had any problem with MK64

[Anonymous No.1865173]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_5JuvmfFo

[Anonymous No.1865190]

MK3 Shao Kahn! He was so cheap that he did Uplifting Knee move backwards!

[Anonymous No.1865276]

Twinmill race in hot wheels turbo racing

[Anonymous No.1865397]

>>1864638
Mario Bros.: Star
DKJ: banana peal
Peach and Toad: Poison Mushroom (shrinks you)
Yoshi: Yoshi egg
Bowser: I forgot

[Anonymous No.1865407]

>>1865397
Bowser: Giant-ass fireball that you can't use in any way

[Anonymous No.1865421]

>>1864781
actually the original sf2turbo ai at max settings was much more broken

well timed shoryukens still worked though

[Anonymous No.1865429]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8t0hv4ACJM

[Anonymous No.1865430]

>>1864602
Certainly Super Mario Kart is really bullshitty and almost impossible unless you really dedicate yourself to beating it.

AND THEN THERE'S SHIT LIKE POKEMON STADIUM 2

FUCK

I tested it on an emulator, they really cheat the fuck out. Like on the pokemon select screen before a battle, I made a savestate after the adversary had choosen it's 3 pokemon. I picked mine and battled against it. I took note of the first pokemon in battle. I loaded the state then and put a counter against that one pokemon in first. When I started the battle again, the CPU had picked something else instead that was strong against me. Fucking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1865487]

I never had problems with Mario Kart 64, other than normal scumming.

>>1865430
Pokemon Stadium 2 was bullshit, though. I never tried what you said, but I believe it.

[Anonymous No.1865491]

>>1865407
Oh yeah

fuck that fireball

[Anonymous No.1865498]

>>1865487
Yeah, like there's no way it should be possible for the CPU to change it's selection of pokemon since I saved after it already had selected. But it does, and it does depending on your own pokemon. That's the reason why Claire has a Rhydon with Zap Cannon and a Lapras, to counter your shit.

[Anonymous No.1865503]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29TaGhYZZlA

[Anonymous No.1865632]

>>1864745
lol.

hint: pick dk/bowser and do a lot of jumping

[Anonymous No.1866179]

>>1864602
Racing games have always had bullshit "catch up" scum code, since there's always so much potential get either miles ahead or miles behind the competition

[Anonymous No.1867048]

>>1864660
>>1864990
I've heard this was because of a programming error.

[Anonymous No.1867061]

>>1865503

Explain?

[Anonymous No.1867072]

>>1864781
SSF2 AI was ok, so why did they decide to make it really fucking ahrd for SSF2T?

Also Art Of Fighting 2

[Anonymous No.1867073]

>>1865632
Reminded me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEAT6XAgbI

[Anonymous No.1867076]

>>1864793
Mk64 was doable. Snes, I just couldn't. 150 too good

[Anonymous No.1867115]

>>1867061
It's a shill bot that posts a random game and a link to his youtube channel. At least I don't think he makes any money off it.

[Anonymous No.1867125]

>>1864793
>Having trouble with MK64's single player
You have no one to blame but yourself. Retard.

[Anonymous No.1868835]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93osCGBFG2k

[Anonymous No.1868984]

in SMK couldn't you influence which CPU you were up against by changing your character? I remember the game had "rivals" which made it so the fastest CPU characters are always the same based on the character you chose.

So technically, couldn't you make the game much easier by always choosing the character who has peach or DK as a rival? Their banana peel/tiny mushroom items are the easiest to dodge and least effective.

[Anonymous No.1869042]

>>1865173
>3 hour video
That game wasn't compelte bullshit, could you be more specific?

[Anonymous No.1869046]

>>1869042
see:>>1867115

It has nothing to do with the topic.

[Anonymous No.1869063]

>>1865430
Stadium 2 cheats? Have you ever even player the first one? It's the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen in my life.

>guy who spams OHKO moves and hit 100% of the time
>stats better than your rental Pokémon in all battles
>paralyze, toxic/leech seed combo, críticas hits everywhere
>rental Pokémon just have garbage ass moves to work with and they will likely miss in every oportunity
>fucking Mewtwo has Infinite pp, and has a combo of amnesia and rest

I fucking hate this game, seriously. Even with your own Pokémon that shit is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.1869068]

>>1869063
>critical

fix'd

[Anonymous No.1869073]

>>1865430
>>1869063
It's like you've never played any pokémon game ever, starting from crystal
The battle tower/arena/subway/whatever is the most bullshit you'll ever face once you go over the 42nd fight

[Anonymous No.1869082]

>>1869073
A friend of mine had a theory that all of the IV and EV training that Tourney Pokemon players support had its roots in trying to conquer Battle Tower from Crystal.

It's a pretty well know fact nowadays that the Champion of each game's whole team have near perfect IVs and are EV trained in both their most useful stat AND weakest stat.

[Anonymous No.1869087]

Mortal kombat 2 for the arcade. Sure you could beat it by exploiting cpu with same moves repeated but that's not fun.

[Anonymous No.1869103]

>>1869073
I do know about those ones. But then again, i think Stadium just push that aspect of the games to the max.

[Anonymous No.1869123]

>>1869063
>>1869073

Well yeah but Stadium games had more cheating to it. You entered with 6 pokemon but could only choose 3, and the CPU always had a team ready to counter everything, and picked accordingly to what you were going to use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJZkLtv9xKM

[Anonymous No.1869129]

Any KoF boss. Everything is all fine and dandy until you reach the bosses then all of a sudden the game goes into rape mode.

X-men COTA. The AI seems to have a preprogrammed reaction to everything you do.

[Anonymous No.1869427]

I know pic related isn't /vr/ but it definitely deserves an honorable mention.

[Anonymous No.1869442]

>>1864671
Miror b dragon and gate guardian, fuck em

[Anonymous No.1869452]

>>1864781
I did some analysis of SF2's damage calculation for a MUGEN conversion not too long ago. There's a "handicap" parameter that factors into how much damage you deal and how much you take.

For a player character, this starts out at a default value, but if you are behind in rounds it can get a boost. For CPU-controlled opponents, this handicap value seems to vary depending on the difficulty level and how far into the game you are (lower for first opponents, higher for later ones). When it gets into the higher ranges, it actually goes beyond the range allowed to a player character behind in rounds, so the CPU literally can do more damage than you can.

Funniest thing is CPU Akuma. If he shows up, the value automatically gets cranked to its maximum for him.

[Anonymous No.1869460]

>complaining about mario kart ai

the games are all easy as shit if you just learn the basic mechanics. they are all about multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.1869471]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcn7LuXSrD0

[Anonymous No.1869585]

Pokemon Stadium. The gym leaders had pokemon with moves that are not legitimately possible. The biggest example that sticks out in my mind is SURF RAICHU, which is guaranteed to surprise you and completely wipe out the team of 3 rock and/or ground pokemon that you stacked up against his electric pokemon, knowing that none of them could legally have SE moves against you.

IIRC, gamefreak later made surf pikachu available through special events or some bullshit, but still. It was not possible at the time and Lt Surge is a cheating bitch

[Anonymous No.1869590]

>>1869460
Being easy and having bullshit AI that don't obey the rules of the game are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.1869598]

>>1864781
Mortal Kombat 2's AI was even worse.

[Anonymous No.1869630]

>>1869460
I don't know what dimension you came from but MarioKart AI is notoriously ruthless, moreso than most racing games.

[Anonymous No.1869960]

>>1869630

Speaking about racing games, I remember Screamer 2 IA was almost flawless at higher levels. Bots made no mistake on the race, making almost impossible for you to recover or either win a race if you bumped or braked to avoid crashing or any other flaw on your diving. You either get on 1st place at the start or end last due to how flawless the other drivers are.

[Anonymous No.1869965]

>>1869630
ruthless in everything but sound racing technique

[Anonymous No.1870958]

>>1865012
Him and Zangief hit pixel perfect spinning piledrivers every fucking time

[Anonymous No.1870959]

>>1869598
SNES AI for MK2 was fucking insane. Very easy was hard as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1871362]

It's often said that the AI in Final Fantasy Tactics cheats, and that the AI cheats at Triple Triad in FF8. FFT might be tricky to prove but couldn't FF8's be proven with savestates?

[Anonymous No.1871418]

>>1871362
You remind me: Dragon Quest VII's casino cheats on double-or-nothing during poker. Sometimes the game decides that you should lose, and no matter if you pick higher or lower it reveals a lower card. This doesn't prevent a player from winning the max amount of times sometimes though.

[Anonymous No.1871435]

>>1871362
I can't think of any instance where the AI in Tactics cheats.

[Anonymous No.1871469]

>>1868984
DK jr is considered the best character in SMK for this reason. While he and Bowser share the same stats, his rivals are Toad and Bowser himself. Bowser's rivals are the star toting Mario Brothers who will fuck you up six ways from sunday.

[Anonymous No.1871931]

>>1871435
There are some cases where the enemies have items equipped that they shouldn't be able to use, or even items equipped in the wrong item slot altogether. As far as the AI actually cheating, though, I don't think I've experienced that.

[Anonymous No.1872025]

>No mention of DOUBLE ANDORE

I don't even know why this fight is so bad on the SNES. It's no big deal on the arcade or Sega CD, but on the SNES, their hitboxes are tiny, and they stay invincible way too long after being knocked down.