/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1854610]

I never got why people pronounced "Ryu" wrong. From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Ru-you" not "Ry-YOU"

So, do you have any good retro mispronounciaton stories?

[Anonymous No.1854613]

>merry-oh

[Anonymous No.1854614]

>>1854610
>I never got why people pronounced "Ryu" wrong.

Really? You don't understand why native English speakers had trouble correctly pronouncing a Japanese name? Really?

[Anonymous No.1854615]

But how you're pronouncing it isn't how it's pronounced, either, Anon. It's a single syllable.

[Anonymous No.1854619]

>>1854610
It's what happens when your stupid language doesn't have consistent pronunciation rules.

[Anonymous No.1854625]

>>1854619
That doesn't have anything to do with it, though.

[Anonymous No.1854630]

I always pronounced it Re-You cause I'm dumb.

[Anonymous No.1854631]

>>1854610
I used to pronounce Toad "Tod" and Luigi "Lugia," I have no idea why. My sister did it too.

[Anonymous No.1854632]

>>1854630
But that's the correct pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.1854639]

I don't understand why there's always all this "controversy" about how a Japanese word or name is pronounced. They are pronounced according to Japanese pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.1854656]

>>1854639
It's because people like the OP somehow expect native English speakers to understand the pronunciation, rules, and nuances of Japanese despite the fact that most of them, especially children, will never have to use it.

Like I don't even know how you can ask this question with a straight face when Japanese games (fighting games especially) have broken spoken and badly pronounced English all over the place.

Unless he somehow thinks "RAIZING TAKU" is how "Rising tackle" sounds in English.

[Anonymous No.1854665]

>>1854614

It doesn't look anything like the other pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.1854672]

>>1854631

I pronounce Suicine "Sue-(w)e-sue-e".

[Anonymous No.1854678]

>>1854632
Or close enough for someone coming from a culture whose language lacks R + Y-diphthong sounds.

[Anonymous No.1854990]

>>1854610
>I never got why people pronounced "Ryu" wrong.
>From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Ru-you"
That's not how it's pronounced.

[Anonymous No.1855041]

I always pronounced it Re-Yu
My native language isn't English though. I can't think of any English word that uses the Yu sound.

[Anonymous No.1855067]

The narrator says it out loud in game, I just copied him.

[Anonymous No.1855070]

>ree-you
is the only right way to say it.

What the fuck is "ru-you"? What kind of shit accent would say it like that?

And then my brother told me one time it's pronounced "roo" but I think that's another japanese thing related to fighting dojos that just so happened to have the same spelling

[Anonymous No.1855119]

>Gyarados

[Anonymous No.1855145]

>>1855119
>Gyrodoss

[Anonymous No.1855157]

>>1854672
Actually, it's Swe(den) + kun (like the suffix).

[Anonymous No.1855183]

>>1855119
ga-ra-dos

[Anonymous No.1855339]

I think most Americans mispronounce "hadouken". The sound clip in the game sounds more like "ha-doo-ken" but it should be "ha-doh-ken".

"Ikaruga" is another that I don't mind mispronouncing. I've always said "ick-a-roo-gah" but it should be "ee-ka-roo-gah".

[Anonymous No.1855375]

I never got why people pronounced "Pikachu" wrong. From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Pick-a-chew" not "Pike-eh-choo"

[Anonymous No.1855379]

I never got why people pronounced "Metroid" wrong. From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Meat-roid" not "Metro-id"

[Buzzclaw No.1855385]

>ChOON-Li
>ChUN-Li

[Anonymous No.1855389]

I never got why people pronounced "Sonic" wrong. From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Sann-ick" not "Sunn-ick"

[Anonymous No.1855391]

>>1855385
Fun fact, the announcer in Marvel vs Capcom calls her name out differently depending on whether you're playing the Japanese or English version. Zangief also has his name pronounced differently between the two regions, and there's the obvious Rockman / Megaman change.

[Anonymous No.1855443]

>>1855385
>spent childhood saying chUN-li.
>played too much puzzle fighter 2 X.
>went to Japan
>Now I saw chOON-li
It feels so much better for some reason.

I've also heard Gouki called "Gew-ki."
And have heard Canadians call super famicoms: "Super Fammy-cons." This is based off of the two candians i've met.

[Anonymous No.1855446]

>>1855443
>Fammy-cons
Technically, that isn't wrong. Since the Fami part is family. They are still retarded to pronounce it incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.1855460]

>>1855379
Is this a trick? It's obviously "Meh-troid"

[Anonymous No.1855468]

>>1855119
Gi-rah-dose
And I give zero fucks

[Anonymous No.1855493]

>>1854610
it's pronounced リュウ you filthy gaijin

[Anonymous No.1855606]

>>1855443
How is it pronounced? I'm probably worse than the Canucks; I live in Dixie and me and the others who are into that sorta thing just say fah-me-con.

I'm weird with Chun Li since when I say the full name I say chOON-li but I stil say the nickname Chunners with the UN

[Anonymous No.1855609]

>>1855606
*the others I know

[Anonymous No.1855613]

>>1854610
>I never got why people pronounced "Ryu" wrong. From the first time I looked at it seemed to be obviously "Ru-you" not "Ry-YOU"
It's neither, though
It's りゅ, just like how it looks ("Ryu")

[Anonymous No.1855618]

>>1855613
>>1855606
ふざけんじゃねえぞ
>>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.1855621]

>>1855618

>>1855493 not >>1855606

[Anonymous No.1855625]

>>1855618
でっでも、誰がこれはふざけんだと言ったのか
せんぱい、私を予告ください
バッバカ・・・

[Anonymous No.1855637]

>>1854610
>mispronounciaton stories
I do. There was this guy on /vr/ who started a thread about how people were retarded if they mispronounced Ryu and then proceeded to mispronounce it. I had to wait for like 5 minutes until I stopped laughing so I could reply. He also misspelled mispronunciation which still has me giggling.

[Anonymous No.1856029]

>>1855339
Depends on which part of Nipland you're from. My family would probably pronounce it "ee-kar-ga."

>>1855070
Close enough, but still not correct.

[Anonymous No.1856036]

>>1855339
>hadouken
I play as Morrigan and pronounce it "sorbi" like in the game

[Anonymous No.1856058]

>>1854610
What is RY-GAR?

[Anonymous No.1857480]

>>1855443

W-what? I thought it was Chun

[Anonymous No.1857490]

>>1855613

Roo, right, but with a "yu" like in "you"?

[Anonymous No.1857636]

>>1854610

But that's wrong you faggot.

Ree-yu is the closest easy pronunciation. Say it quickly.

[Anonymous No.1857648]

>>1855385
>>1855443

I've heard plenty of Japanese people say ChUN-li. I think it just suits her better and people tend towards it.

[Anonymous No.1857674]

>>1855119
Garydos

[Anonymous No.1857853]

>>1857490
Yes

[Anonymous No.1857861]

>>1855385
"Choon" is a slang for "song"/"tune" in the UK. "Choon-li" just sounds weird.

[Anonymous No.1857934]

>>1854656
It's pronounced Rising Taco.

[Anonymous No.1857964]

>>1854613
>merry-oh
28 years old from the US. I still have never heard someone say it that way.

[Anonymous No.1857979]

Everybody pronounces French words wrong. Especially English speakers. Some of them are really embarrassing too, like Cartier (watch maker) people say cart-ee-air... jesus.

[Anonymous No.1857985]

>>1857979
Well French is a shit language with it's dropping of portions of words for no reason at all. You can't expect other languages without that retardation to somehow get it.

[Anonymous No.1857996]

>>1857985
What are you talking about? There are less silent letters than in English, and the structure is much more consistent.

[Anonymous No.1858000]

>>1857979
Kuh-tee? (Approximation, I'm not French)

[Anonymous No.1858005]

>>1858000
Not bad, it's sort of impossible to write out but I would say kah-tsyay.

[Anonymous No.1858016]

>>1857979
-tier makes a ch sound in French right? Karchay? Or is it closer to karshay?

[Anonymous No.1858023]

>>1858016
'ier' translates exactly to 'yay'. Add a t in front and it becomes a 'ts'. So tsyay is how you pronounce 'tier'.

The first part of Cartier, the Car is impossible to write out though.

[Anonymous No.1858025]

>>1857964
>he hasn't seen the Super Mario Bros. movie

[Anonymous No.1858042]

>>1857964
Regis did once on "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire?"

[Anonymous No.1858051]

>>1858042
It all depends on where you come from. Look up the marry/merry merger which took place in North America.

[Anonymous No.1858053]

>>1857853

Well that's what I said in the OP. It's hard to explain pronunciation through text.

[Anonymous No.1858057]

>>1854610
I always pronounced it Ree-u.

[Anonymous No.1858069]

>>1855119
Ge-yehr-uh-dose.

[Anonymous No.1858092]

>>1858069
We always said gairados. The y never factored in for some reason.

[Anonymous No.1858110]

>>1857964
Old men usually do it. Old women say "Pokemaan".

[Anonymous No.1858131]

>>1854672
Mine was similar, "soo-ee-SWEE-ney'

I wasn't a very bright child

[Anonymous No.1858231]

>>1855119
Pronounced how it's spelled.

[Anonymous No.1858252]

>>1857964
I heard one guy say it like that, but he was Canadian.

Damn Canadians.

[Anonymous No.1858283]

Gigi-us
Came from misreading the name as "Gigyas" at first, and it stuck.

Also I pronounce Ryu as "Ljuu" just to be different.

[Anonymous No.1858441]

Poke-e-mon
Poke-a-mon
Polka-mon

[Anonymous No.1858465]

Japanese has terrible issues with translating to English.
For example, "Krillin" vs "Kuririn".

[Anonymous No.1858496]

>Rape-dash

[Anonymous No.1858653]

>>1858283
It's "gyee-gus," no? With the 'gus' part to rhyme with "thus" rather than "wuss." The original is pronounced "gyeeg."
Also, "ljuu" is pretty close to how Ryu is pronounced. If that LJ is used in the same way it is in Slovenian (like its capital, Ljubljana).

>>1857996
When 'grenouille' is pronounced 'greh-noh-oo-ee-leh' and not "grah-noo-ee," and "foie" being pronounced as "foh-ee-eh" and now "fwa" and "choix" pronounced as "choh-eeks" and not "shwa," I might be inclined to listen to your claims.
I mean... I speak, read and write French, almost natively (Swiss, but didn't grow up in the French-speaking area) and I'm not even that other poster, but I just really, really dislike French as a language.
It sounds like someone with the hiccups mumbling Italian.

[Anonymous No.1858957]

swee-coon

[Anonymous No.1860337]

>>1858465
>Japanese has terrible issues with translating to English.For example, "Krillin" vs "Kuririn".

Only a fucking retard with no knowledge of how to fuljly romanise a word would ever think it was Kuririn

[Anonymous No.1860359]

>>1858653

But anon, those groups of letters always make the same sounds, so it's simple to pronounce any word once you know the sounds.

Contrast that with English where the same group of letters can have 5 different pronunciations and you will see my point.

It appears that you don't understand French as much as you think if this is still a problem.

[Anonymous No.1860380]

>mfw everyone always pronounces Akira as "Akeeruh" instead of "Ah-kee-ra"
>mfw people got pissed when the Pioneer dub actually pronounced it right

[Anonymous No.1860397]

>>1860380
Uh-Keer-Ruh

[Anonymous No.1860401]

>>1858957
Soo-uh-sin

[Anonymous No.1860442]

>>1860337
Welcome to fan translations.

[Anonymous No.1860480]

>>1860380
And I'll continue to pronounce it that way because that makes sense in english phonology

[Anonymous No.1860493]

>>1860442
>>1860337
>those fags that insist their names are "gattsu" and "gurifisu"

[Anonymous No.1860504]

>>1854610
I pronounced his name wrong because I was just saying it like they did in the cartoon.

[Anonymous No.1860517]

I say poke-uh-mon rather than poh-KEHHH-mon like I'm supposed to. The correct pronunciation sounds so unnatural

[Anonymous No.1860542]

>>1857964
My cousin from New Jersey still pronounces it this way and he's 24.

[Anonymous No.1860548]

>>1857964
I hear this way too often. Even on gaming youtube channels. I don't even understand how you can get that pronunciation out of Mario.

[Anonymous No.1860561]

>>1854610
>Laura Croft

[Anonymous No.1860571]

>>1860548

Really? You don't understand that people have different accents depending on where they live?

Impressive.

[Anonymous No.1860578]

>>1860571
>this faggot here definitely says MERRY-O

Look at him.
Look at him and laugh.

[Anonymous No.1860580]

>>1860571
That's not how accents work.

[Anonymous No.1860595]

>>1860580
>>1860578

No I don't, I'm just not an idiot. And that's exactly how accents work, genius, it's a regional variation in pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.1860604]

>>1860595
I hear people of every accent incorrectly pronounce it that way. Also names don't get accent passes to begin with.

[Anonymous No.1860607]

>>1854665
There are few words in the english language where y makes an 'ee' sound.

[Anonymous No.1860609]

>>1860604
>Also names don't get accent passes to begin with.

This. Pronouncing it "Merry-Oh" is incorrect, end of story.

[Anonymous No.1860621]

>>1860609
>>1860604

>names don't get a pass

What don't you understand? Names are filled with vowels, which tend to be prnounced differently in different areas. It's not a matter of choice, it's just how it is.

There are outliers everywhere but they don't disprove this fact.

Stay in school, please.

[Anonymous No.1860623]

>>1860609
lol that's not how linguistics work

[Anonymous No.1860634]

>>1860621
You can pronounce it however you'd like but Mar-ee-oh is the official pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.1860641]

>>1860634

>official pronunciation

You'll never get it. You just don't understand how language works. I'm done.

[Anonymous No.1860674]

>>1860641
and in no situations is mare-ee-oh considered correct. I'm not even talking about nintendo, I'm just talking about the name mario.

And it's not just an accent issue. If I pronounce pokemon as pokey-man then that's wrong and it will always be wrong and I can't just use MUH ACCENT as an excuse. Same goes with mario.

[Anonymous No.1860676]

>>1854610
I have a friend who is Japanese.
His name is pronounced Ree You and is spelled Ryu.

[Anonymous No.1860678]

>>1860621
You were given a name at birth. Your parents pronounced it a certain way. If someone pronounces your name differently, they're pronouncing your name wrong as surely as if they were spelling it wrong. Just because we make pizza differently in America doesn't mean we're making it correctly since that's how our recipe goes.

[Anonymous No.1860681]

You huffy fucks must have a nervous breakdown any time you encounter someone from a different region.

>Every other accent is wrong besides mine.

Read the first paragraph of a linguistics book please. Or one page. Anything.

[Anonymous No.1860684]

>>1860674
>and in no situations is mare-ee-oh considered correct. I'm not even talking about nintendo, I'm just talking about the name mario.

Technically "Maury-o" is just as inaccurate as "Marry-o" if you're going to go that route. In Italian it's supposed to roll a lot more smoothly, like "Mahr-yo", with the "r" kind of rolling off the tongue ever so slightly. Nintendo puts way too much emphasis on the vowel and I can't stand it when people bitch and moan about the "correct" pronunciation. Accents will be accents.

[Anonymous No.1860685]

>>1860681

I wouldn't bother. I tried but the ignorance is off the charts.

[Anonymous No.1860687]

>>1860681
There's a difference between pronouncing a name differently because of an accent and simply pronouncing a name incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.1860694]

>>1860684
maury-o is acceptable because it's an actual difference in accent. It is the english approximation of the actual italian (or spanish, etc) name.

mary-oh is just plain wrong. You don't just get an A sound to turn into an E

[Anonymous No.1860701]

>>1860687

Suddenly changing accents in the middle of a sentence makes you look like a pretentious tool. We're all saying the same word, it's just pronounced differently between regions because of dialectic differences. Every word you use is pronounced wrong if you're going by the crapshoot linguistic rules presented by this thread.

[Anonymous No.1860704]

>it's just an accent

if that were true then people that pronounce mario incorrectly would also pronounce Mars as mares.

[Anonymous No.1860706]

>>1860701
No one is saying you need to pronounce mario with an italian accent.

[Anonymous No.1860710]

>>1860694

>You don't just get an A sound to turn into an E

One of the best-known pre-rhotic mergers is known as the Mary–marry–merry merger,[5] which consists of the mergers before intervocalic /r/ of /æ/ and /ɛ/ with historical /eJ/.[6] This merger is quite widespread in North America.[

Like i said, stay in school

[Anonymous No.1860716]

>>1855379
me-do-ro-i-do
met-roid

[Anonymous No.1860717]

>>1860704
Do you have any idea what an accent actually is? Water is pronounced like "wooder" where I am. No other word with "wat" has that distinction. Accents are fucking weird, man. Monday, tuesday, etc. can turn into "Mondee" and "Tuesdee", street can be "shtreet", you can just turn into "yih".

Just as everybody in the northeast pronounces Mario like "Marry-o". And this has nothing to do with the video games, I've known two people named Mario here in my life who have always pronounced their name as "Marry-o"

[Anonymous No.1860720]

>>1860681
>Every other accent is wrong besides mine.

This happens every time someone sees anyone talking even the tiniest bit different from them. Shit's hilarious to watch, and also kinda sad.

[Anonymous No.1860721]

>>1860716
to*

[Anonymous No.1860729]

>>1860710
Wow. Fucking rekt.

[Anonymous No.1860741]

>>1860717
I can sympathize. I live in Pittsburgh. Fucking yinzers, man.

[Anonymous No.1860749]

Such astounding ignorance over the Mario thing, jesus.

[Anonymous No.1860762]

>>1860337
Only a person who doesn't get that Kuririn, just like almost EVERY OTHER NAME IN ALL OF DRAGON BALL is a food pun, would think it should be "Krillin".

[Anonymous No.1860763]

it's Rye-you

[Anonymous No.1860765]

>>1860741
Haha, yeah, we have "You'se" over in Philly, which is basically just "Yiz" either way you look at it.

I can't help but keep the accent, it's way too late for me to stop.

[Anonymous No.1860774]

>>1860674
>pokey-man
The narrator pronounced it a lot like that in an episode this last season. Thought it was funny but didn't have an autistic fit. Maybe next season they'll get it right and say teh po kay manz

[Anonymous No.1860781]

>>1860706
Correct. Only newscasters reading a Mexican name are required to pour on a thick phony accent.

[Anonymous No.1860782]

>>1860774
In one episode I saw characters pronounce it pokeymon and then pronounce it the right way in the next scene, maybe a couple years back. They just can't decide I guess.

[Anonymous No.1860787]

>>1854610
In the official Manga animated movie they pronounce it Ree-yoo

[Anonymous No.1860794]

>>1860787
*The english dub that is

[Anonymous No.1860801]

>>1854665
really? *y is pronounced that way much more often than *ee in English. Off the top of my head, "by", "rye", "cycle", "dynamite", "gyrate", "hydrate". Even things like "symbiote" are more common than things like "ryu" or "lyric"

[Anonymous No.1861141]

>>1860762
Should've called him Grillin in the dub.

[Anonymous No.1861153]

>>1861141
>Should've called him Grillin in the dub.

[Anonymous No.1861167]

>>1855613
Ri-Uh

[Anonymous No.1861292]

It's pronounced Riolu faggots.

[Anonymous No.1861380]

>>1858957
sue-ih-soon
>>1860493
>>those fags that insist their names are "gattsu" and "gurifisu"
who?

[Anonymous No.1861604]

>>1860337
Except that's how his name is supposed to be rendered, anon.

[Anonymous No.1861628]

>>1860337
Sorry, it wasn't "Krillin" vs "Kuririn", it's "Krillin" vs "Kulilin".
But it doesn't matter because the Japs don't differentiate between "r" and "L" when they speak.
Also, that extra vowel throws people for a loop because, fuck, what the fuck is wrong with you Japanese people? If there isn't a pronounced vowel there, don't add one when you translate to another language.
Sasuke doesn't look like it should be pronounced like "soss-kay"; it looks like "sah-soo-key" or "sah-soo-kay".

[Anonymous No.1861642]

>>1861628
Forgot my pic from canon source material. He's "Krillin" spelled "Kulilin." They didn't change this for the English release, but they changed Mr. Satan's name and all of the shirts that say "HELL" to "HFIL"

[Anonymous No.1861647]

>>1861642
>HFIL
What does that stand for?
If I remember correctly, Dragon Ball Z wasn't censored in the slightest in Germany (which was and still is surprising).
Do you happen to know what the cap says in the manga?

[Anonymous No.1861649]

>>1861642
That stuff is more about them wanting to remove anything that may be offensive to anyone. Pic related.

>>1861647
HFIL is for "Home for infinite losers" or some stupid shit like that.

[Anonymous No.1861650]

>be 12/13
>small group of friends all have FFVII
>all pronouncing sephiroth as "sepp-roff"
>correct them
>get laughed at and henceforth treated as the outsider
this is what having even mild intelligence does to you at school.

[Anonymous No.1861656]

>>1861650
>at school

Try everywhere. Life becomes hell in the professional world once everyone twigs that you can be relied upon to not be a fuckup.

[Anonymous No.1861659]

>>1861650
I used to call him "Se-pee-rot" or, if you know German See-pi-rot as the "more correct" way I pronounced itbecause I was a little fucker and didn't have any English lessons
I also was unaware of the fact that the ph can be a substitute for a f.

[Anonymous No.1861662]

>>1861659
More forgivable if English isn't your first language, but this was on Bong Island.

[Anonymous No.1861674]

>>1860678
> Just because we make pizza differently in America doesn't mean we're making it correctly since that's how our recipe goes.
But we are making it correctly.

[Anonymous No.1861678]

>>1861650
I always pronounced as sepp-ih-roff too because I didn't notice the ph

Still, seffiroth sounds too faggy for me so I'll stick to the way I've been saying it

[Anonymous No.1861705]

>>1860359
Stop using my alphabet if you insist on using it incorrectly, Frenchy. This goes double for English-speakers. Get your own damn alphabet and leave the Italian/Latin/Roman one alone.

>>1860717
>northeast philly
Enjoy your cheesesteak with whiz on it and acting like tourists when you venture into any other part of the city. Wanna play some Streets of Rage later after you walk around and marvel at how tall buildings are?

[Anonymous No.1861741]

>>1860337
>Like most characters in the series, the name Krillin is a pun. In his case, its Japanese source, Kuririn, is made up of two parts. The first two syllables come from 栗 (kuri), which means "chestnut" in reference to his shaved head (the "chestnut" pun is also carried over to his daughter Marron). The second part of his name comes from 少林 (Shōrin; "Shaolin" in Chinese), as his early character designs were closely modeled on Shaolin monks.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krillin

[Anonymous No.1861784]

>>1861647
This is the manga headgear.

[Anonymous No.1861806]

>>1854610
I've always said "R'yoo". Even though I now know how it's pronounced I still use it because I don't care.

[Anonymous No.1861820]

>>1860442
>fan translations
The official Viz English translations render is as Kuririn.

[Anonymous No.1861845]

>>1854613
>WORE-io

[Anonymous No.1861854]

For the longest time I couldn't pronounce Dhalsim correctly, I used to say it like Dee-haz-lam

[Anonymous No.1863173]

>>1861662
>Bong Island
Jamaica?

[Anonymous No.1863185]

>>1861820
Not to mention the official subtitles on the DVDs.

[Anonymous No.1863189]

>>1855119

Guyer R doss

>zero fucks given

[Anonymous No.1863215]

>>1860717
This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever seen. Just because you know people named Marryoh doesn't mean that's how you pronounce it for anyone. If your name was Mario pronounced Mah-rio and someone called you Marryoh, you wouldn't say "Oh, he just has a different accent," you would correct them so they don't keep mispronouncing your name. Names don't follow pronunciation rules, they're pronounced however the person who gave the name wants it pronounced. I can name my daughter Jessica and pronounce it JEEsica if I want to, but that doesn't suddenly mean everyone else named Jessica is pronounced that way too.

[Anonymous No.1863237]

>>1861628
>Sasuke doesn't look like it should be pronounced like "soss-kay";
When I was younger and Naruto was brand new (like 2002/2003?) I pronounced it "suh-sook"

[Anonymous No.1863240]

>>1861649
>HFIL is for "Home for infinite losers" or some stupid shit like that.
I thought that was fucking funny. I'm not even mad about that being censored.

[Anonymous No.1863243]

>>1863215

See >>1860710

And please stop since you don't know how pronunciation works.