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Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:49:38 2014 No.1843721 [DELETED]

Can we talk about this game? Sure it's no Banjo-Kazooie but it's still worth being mentioned from time to time.

I was wondering what's the best version of the game? Playstation or PC?

I was thinking about replaying it so if you guys could help me decide which version to pick it would be much appreaciated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:54:38 2014 No.1843740 Fun fact: Croc started development as a 3D platform game Mario spinoff starring Yoshi that was intended to be made exclusively for Nintendo 64. Argonaut pitched the game to Nintendo but was rejected.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:56:11 2014 No.1843745 File: 41 KB, 467x350, e5dafe5834b92c431aa3c232f2013b27.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1843740

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:06:57 2014 No.1843772 >>1843721 I own the PC version to croc and croc 2. Honestly, I love both versions equally. sad there is no croc 3.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:09:04 2014 No.1843781 >>1843772 Can you run it on a modern PC with windows 7?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:12:10 2014 No.1843793 I believe Croc 1 can be run in hardware mode if you use a Glide wrapper. Croc 2 runs fine on modern machines. Both PC versions are better than the PS1 versions

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:31:16 2014 No.1843854 >>1843721 How does Croc 2 differ from Croc 1?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:33:48 2014 No.1843873 >>1843721 It has really arse controls though. The tank controls are just a really bad choice for a platformer.

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:44:54 2014 No.1843909

>>1843721

I had Croc 1 for the PC and while it ran well it suffered from some sound problems. Every system I have tried it on had the problem too, so I don't know what the deal with that was. The pitch on all the voices would lower for some reason. Sounded terrible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:59:12 2014 No.1843945 >>1843793 >Both PC versions are better than the PS1 versions Just curious, how so? Are there any extra features or does it just look better?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:01:02 2014 No.1843952 >>1843740 That IS a fun fact. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:15:53 2014 No.1843984 >>1843854 Croc 2 is a more polished game. It has hub worlds, vehicle sections, more story stuff, and it's generally much more varied than Croc 1. >>1843945 The PC versions look much, much better. Otherwise, pretty much identical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:34:12 2014 No.1844023 >>1843854 Croc 2 feels rushed and unfinished as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:37:58 2014 No.1844029 >that hover glitch It's surprising that I didn't find it as a kid.

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:40:35 2014 No.1844038

>>1843721
The fact that the developers forced you replay the entire stage from the beginning if you failed one of their bullshit mini-games for a Gobbo (catching crystals, 'pick the right box', killing enemies with that pad-thingy, etc.) if you wanted to go for 100% makes me dread playing it again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:44:57 2014 No.1844049 >>1844038 Plus you had to do them all with tank-controls, no less. Brrrrr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 22:03:11 2014 No.1844096 File: 1.59 MB, 320x240, 6114.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1843984 >>1844023 >those conflicting opinions

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 22:44:37 2014 No.1844202

>>1844096
Alright then, just to clarify:

The levels and hub-worlds in Croc 2 feel small, barren and uninspired. Not only are there fewer levels with far less challenge (and whatever little challenge there is is largely derived from the imprecise control and lack of checkpoints), the vehicle sections just feel gimmicky and tacked on.

The introduction of a shop with items that are absolutely required to 100% a level just adds nuisance instead of depth to the gameplay. Instead of relying on your own thoroughness and exploration instincts to complete a level (like in the first Croc) you are forced to grind for crystals in order to buy contrived and completely unnecessary items in order to fully complete a level (which you unfortunately have to do all over again if you arrived without said items).

Plus, the secret 'post-game' world is nothing more than the four previous hub worlds populated by regular enemies, with the 'levels' being nothing more than glorified caves holding keys you need to proceed to the next world.

And the 100% ending is total bollocks.

Does that help?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 22:57:32 2014 No.1844232 >>1844202 wow

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 23:01:56 2014 No.1844241 Croc 1 is shit-tier. Worst controls ever. Shame, it had some charm though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 23:03:02 2014 No.1844242 >>1844241 >he didn't have a dualshock

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 16:50:34 2014 No.1845854 File: 16 KB, 379x256, _-Croc-Legend-of-the-Gobbos-PlayStation-_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1843721 >tfw the colored gems in pic related...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 16:51:57 2014 No.1845857 >>1845854 this guy again >>1844241 charm is a great word for it. the gems and basic atmosphere of this game are still charming to me (played the game ~15 years ago)

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 21:24:25 2014 No.1846465 saying croc 2 is better than croc is like saying banjo tooie is better than banjo kazooie. sure some improvements were made but a lot of their essence was lost in the process

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 21:27:16 2014 No.1846469 File: 1.63 MB, 1940x2220, Sega-Saturn-3D-Controller.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The only way to play Croc is with one of these things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 09:23:13 2014 No.1847350 >>1846469 the sega saturn port is the worst

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 09:27:20 2014 No.1847357

>>1844202
Croc 1 is a very simplistic, repetitive game. Most of the levels within each hub are the same. the game has a super thin story. The game's soundtrack is inferior to Croc 2.

Croc 2 has more varied levels, better draw distances, more enemy variety, more boss variety, and more characters. The hubs in Croc 2 are fun and full of cute little details. Such as the snowball kids in the Snow Hub.

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 09:53:50 2014 No.1847387

What the fuck is up with the PC version of Croc?
Every single retail version, and subsequent patches for those, include different hardware acceleration options. Some are glide and software only, others are d3d only, some include all of the above, some only have support for specific d3d cards.

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 09:59:02 2014 No.1847391

>>1843721
I'm pretty sure the best version is PC one, just for the fact that it supports crazy high resolutions if I remember correctly.

Also that theme and snow music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCPRrxQvrs :3

All this nostalgia, Croc was pretty much what Mario 64 was for most kids to me!
Someone even posted even the beta version for PSX on /vr/ some time ago, pretty sure you could find it on the archive if interested.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 10:08:09 2014 No.1847401 >>1843781 I've only croc 2 and it runs fine on win7

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 10:43:45 2014 No.1847425

>>1847387
It came out in like 1997 when hardware acceleration was in its infancy and you had several competing standards - sometimes you had to write support for the card by hand, because even though they "supported" a standard, they did it awfully so they needed workarounds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 10:55:31 2014 No.1847435 >>1847350 >the sega saturn port is the worst How so? Other than the graphics...

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 13:48:26 2014 No.1847658 >>1847391 >Someone even posted even the beta version for PSX on /vr/ some time ago any noteworthy differences?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 13:50:51 2014 No.1847668 >>1847435 more slowdowns worst graphics there are some instances like the ladybug boxing matches where they made the level actually smaller to diminish slowdowns

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 13:54:05 2014 No.1847672 Does the PC version detect analog input, or is it keyboard only?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:14:48 2014 No.1847705 >>1843740 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:41:38 2014 No.1847772 >>1843740 >My dad is under a truck and he says Mew works for Nintendo

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:47:05 2014 No.1847789

>>1847705
>>1847772
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-born-slippy-the-making-of-star-fox
>The end came when we pitched to do a 3D platform game, the likes of which had never been done before. We mocked up a prototype using Yoshi. It was essentially the world's first 3D platform game and was obviously a big risk - Nintendo had never let an outside company use their characters before, and weren't about to, either. This is the moment the deal fell apart. We later made that game into Croc: Legend of the Gobbos for the PlayStation, Saturn and PC, which became our biggest ever game in terms of sales and also in royalties, since we owned the IP.
-Jez San, founder of Argonaut

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:14:59 2014 No.1847843 did anyone else play the GBC one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:16:09 2014 No.1847846 >>1847843 >tfw I still have my croc 2 cartridge

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:28:14 2014 No.1847879 >>1847843 The first one is ok The second one is awesome

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:29:41 2014 No.1847883 >>1847705 >>1847772 >>1847789 It's not possible that they didn't knew this. They were obviously trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:31:21 2014 No.1847887 >>1847789 I've also heard him say that nintendo ripped them off with Mario 64. I don't believe the dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:34:04 2014 No.1847902 >>1847887 The most Nintendo did was make a 3D platformer in response. The gameplay was vastly different.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:34:57 2014 No.1847903 >>1847887 nintendo didn't rip them off, they just took the idea of a 3D platformer and executed it much better with mario 64

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 20:34:19 2014 No.1848716

>>1847435
Due to tech limitations, the Saturn version screwed around with Croc's size vs the size of the maps because the Saturn couldn't load Croc 1's maps. By shrinking the map dimensions, they could cheat it. Also, missing transparencies and worst framerate.

I'm still grumpy the N64 port was cancelled. We did get Buck Bumble instead, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 22:44:15 2014 No.1849153 >>1843793 http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/87380866/file.html http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/39630786/file.html http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/37448719/file.html Croc version 1.1 with proper D3D support, no Glide wrapper needed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 22:46:53 2014 No.1849162 >>1848716 >We did get Buck Bumble instead, though. What a shitty tradeoff. Imagine how good Croc would have been if it the Yoshi game happened. With Nintendo's polish and Yoshi's setting it could be one of the best games for the N64.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:28:09 2014 No.1849295 File: 65 KB, 615x462, 1382666494006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1843740 >>1843745 >tfw Croc wasn't even an original character poor Croc

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:30:13 2014 No.1849303 >>1843721 more like croc of shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 05:20:44 2014 No.1850018 >>1849303 AVGN pls stay

Anonymous Sun Aug 10 05:53:50 2014 No.1850038

>>1849162
>Imagine how good Croc would have been if it the Yoshi game happened. With Nintendo's polish and Yoshi's setting it could be one of the best games for the N64.
A man can dream. It would either been okay or abysmal.

Speaking of Yoshi, whenever he's handed off to Artoon it tends to create a big fuss. The games must be really rehashy. I'm hoping for the Yoshi game by Good-Feel to be pretty great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 12:59:04 2014 No.1850552 Croc could easily come back with a kickstarter They own the IP and that style of game is super easy to make in comparison to other games

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 15:34:47 2014 No.1850839 Is it worth going through the trouble of getting the pc version running properly on a modern pc or am i not missing out by simply emulating the ps1 version??

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 12:24:26 2014 No.1853229 >>1843721 >Sure it's no Banjo-Kazooie it's better

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 12:29:42 2014 No.1853238 >>1843721 I fucking hated that game jesus christ right up there with Jersey Devil. Fuck that game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 12:39:36 2014 No.1853252 >>1850552 no, no, no, don't start it. Let the series rip in piece.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 12:40:38 2014 No.1853254 >>1853229 tank controls and linear stages

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