/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1831985]

Just straight out gonna say Hexen 1. What do you guys think? Loved the game. I feel like it was always underrated and unknown. I could be wrong. What an excellent piece of work.

[Anonymous No.1832008]

Fun combat, great music, cool atmosphere, great textures, level design so atrocious and amateurish it made me rage countless times.

[Anonymous No.1832021]

I tried it awhile ago, and didn't like it. I liked the concept of having a hub world with more areas opening up as you played, but it was extremely confusing. Sometimes you'd hit a button and it would say nothing, others it would say something along the lines of "Door opened in the dildo room" which was useless if the game never communicates to you where the dildo room is.

Most of my time playing this game was spent walking through empty levels, humping all the walls for hours.

[Anonymous No.1832076]

>>1832008
pretty much this. Fighting centaurs is never fun.

I thought that Heretic had better levels with better action, my favorites being
E1M6: The Cathedral
E2M3: The River of Fire
E3M8: D'Sparil's Keep

[Anonymous No.1832128]

I wish there were more fantasy themed FPS.

[Anonymous No.1832206]

I started with Hexen II and instantly fell in love with it. There is something about art design that only Raven managed to capture: not just fantasy, but... satanic fantasy. It's consistent throughout Heretic as well as Shadowcaster. And the fitting gloomy music. Naturally, since it was Hexen II, I wanted to check the original Hexen, but back then I wasn't impressed much by it. The Doom engine felt awkward, I spent an hour on the seven portals failing to see the first switch and had to conduct a walkthrough for it, and when in the rusty metal world I pushed some other switches, the message "one ninth of the puzzle has been solved" somehow made me very very depressed. Come on, ONE NINTH? You mean I have to do something like this (I wasn't even sure what I did) eight times more? I dropped it off there.

It wasn't until recently I rediscovered my interest in retro games, and FPS/RPG hybrids in particular. It was fun returning to it after so many years, I remembered the seven portals, remembered that first switch. I beat the game without any walkthroughs this time. I expected it to be hard, but it wasn't. Once you set your mind like: "Okay, the game is about switches, and it's going to try to hide them, so always keep in mind to look out for them," it works like a charm, and the fun rolls in. I guess that makes the game unique, in terms of what rules it imposes onto the player. Heavy exploring. Heavy memorization. Pattern deduction. And the bleak, disturbed world sets the perfect atmosphere to accompany those actions.

[Anonymous No.1832210]

>>1832206
Lost my picture

[Anonymous No.1832226]

I think it may actually be becoming a bit overrated lately. The game has poor enemy variety such that combat is often repetitive, especially on the harder difficulties. Also find the puzzle system a little hamfisted at times ("you have completed 1/3 of the puzzle" oh boy).

[Anonymous No.1832237]

>>1832226
Also no Tome of Power and Wings of Wrath are useable for all of 10 minutes throughout the game? Fuck that shit, Heretic is better.

[Anonymous No.1834017]

what's your favorite hub? I liked 5, it had the best atmosphere

[Anonymous No.1834035]

>>1834017

The Shadow Wood.

Darkmere is my favorite stage in the entire game.

[Anonymous No.1834036]

>>1834035
Stalkers are some of the most irritating enemies in the entire game. Only second behind centuars.

[Anonymous No.1834067]

>>1834036

They become fun when you get the third weapon. Then it becomes a game of whack/shock/burn the mole.

[Anonymous No.1834291]

Biggest problem is all the switches that aren't labeled.
"Stairs have risen..." or "You hear a door creak in the distance..." are easy to understand, but temporary switches that don't say what they do? And you have to figure out whether they counteract some other switch or just have a timed effect, where they do their thing, and so on.
I think it wasn't until my third or so playthrough that I even figured out what the temp switches in Guardian of Steel even did, or that they counteracted eachother.

Oh, and all those items which, while fun in multiplayer, are just stupid in single player. Send an ettin back to the start of the map, woop.

[Anonymous No.1836524]

>>1831985
Favorite game of all time.

[Anonymous No.1836582]

>>1831985
I enjoyed it, but then got pissed off I missed the secret level in the final world because I didn't know to run to some corner of the map within 30 seconds.

[Anonymous No.1836586]

>>1836582
The secret level closes only after you've entered one of the Tombs.

[Anonymous No.1836596]

>>1834035
Holy shit me too. I love Darkmere. DAT MUSIC. So haunting and creepy sounding. Hexen really has some gorgeous outdoor areas.

Hexen was a fun game. The puzzles were pretty frustrating at times, but I ended up only using a walkthrough once. that one part where you're in a sewer-like area and you have to fall down a bottomless pit, when every other bottomless pit in the game kills you

[Anonymous No.1836602]

>>1836596
Is there a game with better sewer levels than Hexen? I think not.

[Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY No.1836624]

Uhuhuh it's a boring DOOM clone uhuhuh...

Kidding, it's my favourite game.

[Anonymous No.1836635]

>>1832076
>Fighting centaurs is never fun.
This is one of the reasons I've owned Hexen for years and years but never finished it until last month when I tried the Hexercise mod. I'm not saying the mod is perfect, it does unbalance the game, but at least it makes the combat fast-paced and un-stupid.

>>1834035
The atmosphere and mapping in Hexen can be pretty great. I can see what they were going for in Hexen, I just don't think they pulled it off very well. Hexen 2, I felt, was a better example of the concept, helped by puzzles that were a little more sensible than random switch hunts.

[Anonymous No.1836673]

Why Hexen 1 is so much more popular than Hexen 2 ?

[Anonymous No.1836680]

>>1836673
Hexen was on popular consoles of the time while Hexen 2 was PC only

[Anonymous No.1836689]

>>1834017
Necropolis is my favorite hub-level because it can get very frantic running from endless undead killingmachines.
Favorite hub overall would be the 3'rd one (don't remember the name) because of good amounts of combat with some fun puzzle searching and nice levels.

[Anonymous No.1836692]

>>1834291
>Oh, and all those items which, while fun in multiplayer, are just stupid in single player. Send an ettin back to the start of the map, woop.
Use it on Zedek/Tradactus/Menelkir to win their battle without having to fight them.

[Anonymous No.1836695]

>>1836680
ok.
The real reason now.

[Anonymous No.1836747]

Do you guys remember Hexen /vr/ threads? What happened?
Also, Hexen II: Portal of Praevus is underrated.

[Anonymous No.1837117]

>>1836695
Because Hexen 1 pushed the limits of its technology, and was basically unrivaled as an FPS in 1995; whereas Hexen 2 came out at a time when games similar to Quake were a dime a dozen, and had to share shelf space with Quake 2? That'd be my guess.

[Anonymous No.1837124]

>>1836747
I have never played Praevius, and I don't know where to get it. It is not on the Steams. :/

[Anonymous No.1837267]

Hexen is my favorite FPS. I have it for DOS and for the N64. I originally picked it up for 4.99 in a bargain bin and it has been my favorite ever since. I only beat it once, though. I don't actually know any of the puzzles beyond the seven portals and half of the dark wood by memory, so every replay I have to figure it out from scratch.

Hexen 2 doesn't do anything for me. I think it is the really ugly graphics that turn me off nearly instantly.

Pic related for the sort of sense of 3d scale that Hexen can do that Doom really doesn't. Though looking up and down isn't really convenient in the default game.

[Anonymous No.1837367]

>>1836747
I'm not much of a fan of Hexen 2 but Portal of Praevus was pretty great.

[Anonymous No.1837410]

one of my favorites of all time. I used to play the n64 port alot.

switch hunting could be a bit excessive, but other than that the whole thing is excellent. the main change I would make is change the centaurs so that they would hold their shields up a shorter time, maybe a second or so, so they wouldn't be tedious to fight.

my only other issue is the instruction manual saying the legion got turned into ettins, when obviously they should be centaurs (the church became dark bishops, and I think the mages became the floating torsos in hub 5)

>>1836602
indeed. I really dig the effluvium music (also used in shadow wood)

[Anonymous No.1837414]

>>1837410

also forgot to mention, dat atmosphere. I can't think of many other games with so much atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.1837573]

>>1832210
The ending screens for Heretic and Hexen got me so hyped for their sequels. I loved the feeling the series provided in wanting to take down each Serpent Rider.

[Anonymous No.1837774]

>>1837410

also, I think hub 5 and the final boss were rushed in dev. they're serpent riders, so I think the Korax you fight was originally going to be the mount (like d'sparil on the green chaos serpent) then you'd fight a humanoid Korax, but they didn't get to put that in. it makes sense to me, anyway.

[Anonymous No.1837843]

>>1837117
>>1836673
Was Hexen that popular? I never looked up the sales, I assume it did alright, but I also assumed the reason Hexen 2 wasn't as well known is simply because Hexen got a very mixed reception. I'm sure the competition was also a factor.

Also, wasn't Hexen 1 still in the shareware era? I think there was some kind of free demo, which would be another reason more people know it.

[Anonymous No.1838465]

>>1837843
Heretic and Hexen were almost as popular as Doom back in the day, and they were widely played even in the late 90's. I really have no idea why Hexen 2 wasn't that popular. I guess because it just flat-out wasn't that good? But I haven't played it, so I can't say that.

[Anonymous No.1838478]

Haha, time for opinions.

>Cleric > Mage > Fighter
>Demoness > Necro > Paladin > Crusader > Assassin

[Anonymous No.1838542]

Which is the game that is similar to this except instead of starting with a mace you start with a magic wand or something and can turn enemies into chickens, shoot skulls at things etc.

I remember it being really solidly good. Didn't have the "kick" of blasting things with a shotgun in Doom but still a great game.

[Anonymous No.1838554]

>>1838542
Heretic, Hexen's predecessor.

[Anonymous No.1839209]

I'd like to take a moment to mention that the Raven trilogy has a stupidly large amount of fans on DeviantArt?

Like seriously, there's a shitton of art people draw of these guys and it kind of surprises me.

[Anonymous No.1839357]

>>1839209
I guess there's a decent amount. There's also one guy on Pixiv with some Heretic/Hexen art.

[Anonymous No.1839486]

>those taunts
Korax was fucking cool.

[Anonymous No.1839487]

>>1832021
Pretty much this. Mechanically it's wonderful, but the idea of hub worlds and associated levels were never really done right until Super Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.1839502]

>>1839486
oooh i want this as my incoming call now

"GREETINGS MORTAL ARE YOU READY TO DIE" Instant friend for anyone in public who gets the reference.

[Anonymous No.1840790]

>>1839486
>Worship me and I may yet be merciful
>...then again, maybe not.
That was always my favorite along with the "Greetings, Mortal" one.

I also really want to hear all of Korax's lines in the various languages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhREiu1PLlA

[Anonymous No.1840794]

>>1840790
Wow, the 64 version has pieces of trivia when entering new locations? I never knew that, now I want to play it.

[Anonymous No.1840803]

>>1840794
I believe they were added since the N64 didn't have the game's cinematics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9LAYRHjI9k

[Anonymous No.1840829]

I've actually been playing hexan a little here and there on steam. I like it a lot more now than when I was a kid. I just thought it was to fucking confusing, but as an adult it really isn't. It's really one of the better old style fps.

[Anonymous No.1840931]

>>1840794
I believe that is called lore hahaha

[Anonymous No.1840937]

>>1840790
wow the french one actually sounds pretty sinister and the german one is a lot wimpier than I expected.

[Anonymous No.1841159]

>>1840937
The German one sounds like Korax just came back from Castle Wolfenstein.

[Anonymous No.1842241]

>>1831985
level design was annoying as fuck (hard to figure out where to go next, esp halfway through the hub), but great game.

[Anonymous No.1842567]

I thought it was a great game, with a much deeper and darker atmosphere than Heretic. The level design was more sprawling and confusing though, and sometimes I found myself wandering around looking for a clue, or some way to get into an area I could see but not reach. Eventually in a couple spots I was so stuck that I needed to consult a walkthrough, but otherwise managed to stumble around and figure out the puzzles.

I never really got into the "lore" of these games, but rather just played them as separate games altogether. Also tried the Hexen add-on (Deathkings of the Dark Citadel), but it seemed much harder, with tons of monsters everywhere so I never finished it (fighting so many respawning monsters gets on my nerves...) Also tried the Quake engine sequel, but somehow I didn't like it as much as Quake itself, so gave up early on. I think it would have been better if they just expanded the original Hexen to be more RPG-like than switching to Quake engine, but they were probably afraid people wouldn't buy it for using "outdated" technology (despite the fact that a good, well-crafted game using old tech is still a good game...)

Did anyone play their old Amiga RPG? It's a bit like Dungeon Master or Eye of the Beholder series, etc. with real-time action in old school grid-based dungeons. I tried it once and it seemed pretty easy at first, but I quickly got TPK'd on the second level by some two-headed giant or ogre looking thing. Probably should have run away back to the first level...

[Anonymous No.1842617]

>>1842567
Deathkings of the Dark Citadel had too much a fast respawn rate, where enemies would reappear on a location literally two minutes after you killed them. I guess that's ok when you already know all the puzzles, but for a first playthrough, which requires slow and careful exploration, it was a pain in the ass.
I remember finding a custom fix which lowered the spawn rate, but I already finished the game by that time, so I never used it.

[Anonymous No.1842707]

>>1839357
hah, and some other things

[Anonymous No.1843236]

>>1842567
>>1842617
I'm fairly sure monsters don't respawn in Hexen, regardless of the difficulty. Occasionally a handful of monsters get teleported throughout a level to keep things active, but never straight up respawning.

[Anonymous No.1843267]

>>1843236

they don't respawn, but ettins are randomly generated over time.

[Anonymous No.1843289]

Should I start with Hexen, hexen 2, heretic or heretic 2?

[Anonymous No.1843306]

>>1843289
>release order
Heretic - Hexen - Hexen 2 - Heretic 2

>story
Heretic - Heretic 2 - Hexen - Hexen 2

Heretic 2 is more of a side story, where as the other three follow the three Serpent Riders.

[Anonymous No.1843335]

>>1843306

I read somewhere that as chess pieces, d'sparil would be a bishop, korax would be a rook, and eidolon would be a queen.

[Anonymous No.1843405]

>>1843306
Sounds like Eidolon inflating his ego.

I am curious as to where you read that, though.

[Anonymous No.1843407]

>>1843405
for
>>1843335

[Anonymous No.1843410]

>>1843306
So start with Heretic?

[Anonymous No.1843421]

>>1843410
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.1843428]

>>1843421
I'm playing it now. Is there no way to change the controls? Mouse movement is bizarre. Playing steam version.

[Anonymous No.1843436]

>>1843405

probably. the rationale was that d'sparil uses cunning and manipulation, korax is stronger and more direct, while eidolon is the strongest.

I can't remember, but I'm not making it up.

[Anonymous No.1843440]

>>1843428
Try using a sourceport.

http://zdoom.org/Download

http://zandronum.com/download

[Anonymous No.1843448]

>>1843440
Thanks, I'm looking for the Heretic wad in steam now.

[Anonymous No.1843458]

>>1843436
I could see 'cunning and manipulative' applying to Korax as well, what with how he took over Cronos and how his boss fight was littered with traps. Eidolon was straight up brute force for sure.

[Anonymous No.1843463]

>>1843405
>>1843436
Eidolon is referenced as "most powerful" serpent rider in the intro to Hexen II, while Korax is using "trickery and guile".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tQ69bgxcmw

[Anonymous No.1843468]

>>1843440
Zdoom worked like a charm! Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1843481]

I can't imagine Corax needed much cunning to conquer that world, it was already ruled by three ruthless leaders and its population oppressed as fuck. He just needed to take the reins.

[Anonymous No.1843483]

>>1843463
I see. I could be remembering wrong, I'm not certain.

[Anonymous No.1844594]

>there will never be a Hexen styled game where you play as the apprentices of D'Sparil, Korax, and Eidolon

[Anonymous No.1845891]

>>1834017
It's a toss up between Shadow Wood and Blight.

I think like most people I'm a sucker for Darkmere.

[Anonymous No.1845958]

>>1843421
I never realized how good that art is. The arm might be a little short but dat detail and lighting.

[Anonymous No.1846869]

>>1845958
Yeah, Brom's pretty awesome. Shame he hasn't done more Heretic/Hexen artwork.

[Anonymous No.1846896]

you guys like brutal hexen

[Anonymous No.1846908]

>>1846896
Saw a video of it about a year ago, showcasing some truly awful mage changes. Haven't looked at it since.

[Anonymous No.1847218]

Fallen Angels a shit.

[Anonymous No.1847386]

>>1846896
Hells no, only ones I like is Speedball II and Brutal Sports Football!

[Anonymous No.1847494]

I've been playing Heretic for a bit, just beat the first level and am progressing through the second. I missed half the secrets in the first mission so I wanted to ask now, is it really a big deal if I don't 100% levels? I'm not good at intuitively deducing where to press space bar,

[Anonymous No.1847519]

>>1847494
Unless you're making a demo I really don't feel the desire to 100% anything. I play for survival, to me the challenge should be to get to the exit (I pistol/wand start every level though).

[Anonymous No.1847585]

>>1847494
There's no "score table" in the game or whatever that rewards you for finding secrets, so ultimately it doesn't matter. Of course most secrets have useful things in them, so they're a reward in themselves. But if you can finish an episode without them, it's just extra stuff you can try to explore in later sessions...

[Anonymous No.1847589]

>>1847585
>>1847519
Thanks guys, I was just worried that I'd end up missing a secret tunnel to extra levels or cool bosses or something. I'll play casually now.

[Anonymous No.1847596]

>>1847589
Well, each episode does have a secret level (like Doom) but I'm terrible at finding them. Sometimes I stumble upon one, but if not I just warp to E1M9 (or whatever) after I'm done with the others.

[Anonymous No.1847612]

>>1847596
Oh! thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.1849284]

>>1843463
I wonder why for D'Sparil it only shows the chaos serpent.

[Anonymous No.1849314]

Never tried it but you can be a wizard in it, right?

[Anonymous No.1849326]

>>1849314
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1849532]

>>1849326

Downloading, tell me there's more than lightning/fire/ice spells

[Anonymous No.1849556]

>>1849532
There isn't, it's pretty standard fare magic. Mage has an ice and lightning spell and the Cleric has a spell that shoots a stream of fire. Other weapons consist of melee or enchanted stuff like wands or magic axes.

[Anonymous No.1850023]

>>1849556
>>1849326
Woah man, seems like Hexen is a lot different from Heretic. There are classes and stuff?

[Anonymous No.1850032]

Heretic is my favorite retro shooter, never played Hexen tho, is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.1850034]

>>1850032
Give it a shot. See posts above for the bad-ass wizard action you're missing out on.

[Anonymous No.1850051]

>>1850032

Yeah. Heretic is my favourite Doom-based shooter, but the melee combat and atmosphere in Hexen is fantastic, totally worthy.

[Anonymous No.1850054]

>>1849284
Wasn't this how he ended up looking in the game because they had problems with the rider sprite?

[Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY No.1850072]

>>1850032

Heretic is kind of like DOOM whereas Hexen is more like an RPG than an FPS, it has a storyline and a shitload of puzzles & traps. Definitely try it, the best game I've ever played.

[Anonymous No.1850131]

>you unlocked 1 of 6 puzzle in the shadow wood
>See nothing new in the shadow wood
th-thanks

[Anonymous No.1850137]

>>1850131
No no, you unlocked A THIRD of THE puzzle in the Shadow Wood. Nothing will happen until you get the five other switches.

[Anonymous No.1850139]

>>1850137
therefor, I really never have no idea where I should go.
To think I was almost never lost in any Redneck Rampage, Duke Nukem, Shadow Warrior, Tomb Raider, Unreal, Doom wad, etc.

[Anonymous No.1850140]

>>1850139
¤I really have no idea

[Anonymous No.1850147]

>>1850072
It's closer to an RPG, but not quite as much as Strife in terms of NPC interaction, buying stuff from shops, etc. Then again Strife doesn't have choice of class to play... Anyway, someone made a vanilla Hexen hub where you can sort of interact with NPCs (but it's really just them telling you stuff, no choices to make) and you can "buy" a few things from a shop, but you don't have coins or whatever to play with. I guess some source ports have extended the game enough to remedy all this, but I never cared enough to try them. I just play these games as FPS and other games when I want an RPG.

>>1850131
I think it's all unlocking a bunch of stuff in one room with a portal, so unless you go back to that exact spot you won't notice anything. At least that's how I remember it (been quite a few years since I played through...)

[Anonymous No.1850150]

>>1850147
I think I will just play Hexen II instead.

[Anonymous No.1850771]

>>1838478
>Crusader second last
Crusader is so much better than everybody else in that game it isn't even funny. You can win whole bossfights pretty much by just spamming Tome + ice staff.

[Anonymous No.1850843]

Go to best ever and set us up a server. Leh do some muthaphukkin coop.

[Anonymous No.1850861]

>>1850843
I got really excited for that game until I saw it was made by Techland, aka Dead Island makers.. They are awful developers, who covered a basic action game with unenjoyable quests and awful balancing. Not to mention the fucking boring characters, writing, and level-up system.

[Anonymous No.1850876]

>>1850861
You know, even squaresoft pushed a few turds before they struck gold.

[Anonymous No.1850885]

>>1850876
I just don't think someone so actively incompetent could make a good game. The wasn't bad, the action was quite fun, but it was surrounded by stupid decisions that ANY competent person would have pointed out the flaws of.

I'll keep an eye out, though.

[Anonymous No.1850923]

Level design was awful and the cleric was OP as fuck. That aside, I liked it, especially on multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.1851021]

>>1850023
It is. Hexen has three classes, each with their own unique arsenal, and uses a hub system instead of sequential levels.

[Anonymous No.1851034]

>>1850147
Funny how you go from Doom-Heretic-Hexen-Srife the engine gets converted more to a FPS-RPG thing

[Anonymous No.1851037]

>>1850923
>Cleric
>OP
Wraithverge may be strong as fuck but the trade off is that it's the most expensive to use and the Cleric's other 3 weapons are weaker than the Fighter's and Mage's.

[Anonymous No.1851038]

>>1851021
Guess I'll be playing through three times, then!

[Anonymous No.1851039]

>>1851021
My greatest complaint towards hexen would be that each class only has 4 weapons, and "technically" its just melee, 2 weapons, and the BFG weapon which makes combat in the early hubs feel really repetitive and boring sometimes
Don't get me wrong, I love hexen but this was always the thing that frustrated me in replays, also Warrior should have the Quietus be usable when depowered, I mean come on, all his sprites and art show him using a sword and you are never able to actually use one.

[Anonymous No.1851040]

>>1851037

I said that because of his version of the Quartz flask bomb, mostly. Easily the best one.

[Anonymous No.1851042]

>>1851040
It is good, best even, but it's only really effective against centaurs, which also happens to be his only real way to deal with them outside of his final weapon.

[Anonymous No.1851050]

>>1851042
if I remember too, you can use reflectors to push the gas cloud into enemies which causes a lot of damage quickly
Reflectors can be really OP if utilized in the right situations

[Anonymous No.1851061]

>>1851050
If I remember correctly that was a bug in an old version of the game. All it does now is push the cloud around.

and yeah Discs of Repulsion are insanely good in the right areas, not to mention fun.

[Anonymous No.1851068]

>>1851039

it kind of makes sense because melee uses no mana, weapon 2 uses blue mana, weapon 3 uses green mana, and the ultimate uses both. still, there should've been another weapon for more variety, maybe using both mana types with less cost. also could've used more monster types. I would've like to see wendigos after hub 1, like in menelkirs tomb.

the biggest change I would make to hexen is the centaurs. id have them hold their shields for half as long so they're less tedious to fight.

[Anonymous No.1851091]

>>1851068
>trying to think of cool weapon ides for the fighter and cleric

[Anonymous No.1851093]

>>1851068
I say there should have been a tier 1 blue and green mana weapons and then a tier 2 blue and green weapon before the mixed ultimate weapon

[Anonymous No.1851115]

You all don't know what you're talking about.

Baratus best and stonkest Hexen.

[Anonymous No.1851123]

>>1851115

[Anonymous No.1851141]

>>1851123
Look at this majestic fuck.
If you had to choose between him, an altar boy (who has probably taken Tradactus' holy sigil up his butt on several occasions) and a scrawny nerd who would you pick to save the world?

[Anonymous No.1851175]

>>1851141
Just look at that strut.

[Anonymous No.1851178]

Hexen level design far superior to Heretic

also

>"Are you ready to die?"
>type n o into keyboard

I used to do that every time when I was 6

[Anonymous No.1851190]

>>1850054
But he was mounted when you fought him.

[Anonymous No.1851196]

Did the community ever finish the 3D models pack? I remember using it way back, but some monsters didn't have a corresponding upgrade, so it felt odd.

Also, there was a texture improvement project, wasn't there?

[Anonymous No.1851207]

MAZAERA > RETURN TO BLACKMARSH > BLACKMARSH > SEPTIMUS > nothing > THYSIS

[Anonymous No.1851209]

>>1851196

the 3d models I saw looked all wrong. all the game really needs is polished textures.

[Anonymous No.1851220]

>>1851207
Tulku > Mazaera > Return > Blackmarsh > Thysis > shit > Septimus

[Anonymous No.1851230]

>>1851220
I was thinking about including Portal of Praevus, but decided against it. Still, the expansion pack is way above the original game in any way imaginable.

[Anonymous No.1851236]

>>1851207
Blackmarsh > Thysis > Mazaera > Return To Blackmarsh > Septimus

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.1851243]

>>1837774
Your intuition is correct. Korax was originally just the serpent, and would have been ridden by the Heresiarch.

[Anonymous No.1851284]

>>1851243
This always bugged me because I'll never know what Eidolon and his mount would've looked like if they stuck to the original plan.

[Anonymous No.1851291]

>>1851243

so the heresiarch would've been the second serpent rider Korax. that makes sense, considering the trident symbol and the ending of heretic.

[Anonymous No.1851304]

>>1851291
The Heresiarch was definitely the Serpent Rider originally.

>the Heretic ending screen
>his appearance
>the symbols
>the chanting/taunting during the fight
>the summoning of Dark Bishops, ala D'Sparil and Disciples
>his death animation being almost exactly the same as D'sparil's

[Anonymous No.1851339]

>>1851304
Mind blown

That Heresiarch creeped me out as a kid ;(

[Anonymous No.1851371]

>>1851304

indeed. I wish they'd stayed true to the mythos and done it that way. fighting the mount with the 6 shooter and traps, and then the heresiarch battle, would've been an epic way to finish the game.

[Anonymous No.1852821]

>>1850771
Opinion based on how much fun I had with each class. Though I should've flipped the Paladin and Crusader, because the Lightbringer is fun as fuck to use.

[Anonymous No.1852928]

I personally prefer Heretic.
It's faster and more aggressive and the weapons feel better.

[Anonymous No.1852941]

>>1852928
I was playing Heretic just now and I think it's kind of dull. I just beat the third mission of episode 1. The level design isn't especially good and there hasn't been any crazy action. It seems to just be "use crossbow if you see something until you don't see it anymore". Maybe picking the middle difficulty mode was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.1854265]

Anyone else really like the passive bonuses you got from leveling up in Hexen 2? I know a lot of them were kinda shit, like Vampiric Drain for the Necromancer, but the ideas were still cool.

I wish Hexen 1 had that.

[Anonymous No.1854669]

>>1854265
If i remember one of the level up bonuses for necromancer would have been to make skeletons or something to boost his effectiveness

[Anonymous No.1854813]

>>1854669
Would've been neat and certainly better than Vampiric Drain. Now Soul Stealing, that was overpowered as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1854901]

>>1852941
WTF heretic has way better map design than doom. Heretics mpas are somehow more complicated but harder to get lost in imo

[Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY No.1855712]

>>1854901

They were less claustrophobic.