/vr/ CRT THREAD

[Anonymous No.1792689]

previous thread: >>1774596

These threads are for the civil discussion of CRT displays (TVs and monitors) as used for retro video games and systems allowed by the board rules in the current sticky (>>1392415). Subtopics *directly* related to this main topic are welcome.

Cheers! /crt/ go go go!

>go

[Anonymous No.1792748]

Really? Time for a new thread already?

[Anonymous No.1792749]

Can someone archive the old thread?

Useful info there.

[Anonymous No.1792752]

>>1792748
As requested in the previous thread.

>>1792749
/vr/ is archived by foolz

[Anonymous No.1792753]

Thanks to OP for the new thread.

>>1792748
Bump limit is 500 posts! Last thread really flew by.

>>1792749
For personal use, you can just save the page to your hard drive.

Foolz is gracious enough to archive /vr/; please use it responsibly!

[Anonymous No.1792760]

>>1792748
This is getting really popular. I saw a regular 21" consumer Trinitron on Tokyo's Craigslist for 5000 yen I guess just because it had RGB and YPbPr. It won't be long before the rising value of CRTs combined with the rising quality of consumer HDTVs will make it largely a matter of nostalgia - but we're not there yet! Get your pro monitors while you can!

[Anonymous No.1792769]

>>1792760
Does the girl come with native rgb output or did you mod her?

[Anonymous No.1792774]

>>1792760
>That scarf

[Anonymous No.1792787]

Is there any saving a dropped CRT?
Colors are all out of whack.
I turned it on its side to see how it would react. It fixed the colors for a few minutes but as it sat the colors slowly drifted and soon it was messed up again.

[Anonymous No.1792790]

>>1792769
all girls support the D-SUB

[Anonymous No.1792792]

>>1792760

I remember my dad wanting one of those giant Mitsubishi's when I was little. My mom wouldn't let him though because it was only a year after we had gotten a new TV.

[Anonymous No.1792794]

>>1792787

Hit it firmly, it should be enough.

[Anonymous No.1792796]

>>1792760
How much does that weigh?

[Anonymous No.1792797]

>>1792760
>>1792774

[Anonymous No.1792802]

>>1792790
So *that's* what all those Descartes pics mean.

[Anonymous No.1792803]

So the monitor that Carmac is using in that one picture and the Sony FW900 (and its rebrands) are the only CRT displays to support 1080p resolutions, right? I know pretty much all CRT HDTVs only go up to 1080i.

[Anonymous No.1792804]

>>1792796
I don't think she'd be any heavier than about 60 kilos or so

[Anonymous No.1792805]

>>1792796
Probably 60 or so kilos. She doesn't look obese at all in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.1792806]

>>1792787
>the colors slowly drifted

[Anonymous No.1792809]

>>1792806
But they did. After 10 or so minutes they were out of whack again.
Wondering if maybe something was knocked loose.

[Anonymous No.1792810]

>>1792803

No, there are many CRT monitors that support 1080p and higher. My Samsung Syncmaster 955b for example can go as high as 1920*1440, my Tulip monitor even more, and both on Progressive scan.

[Anonymous No.1792812]

>>1792803
There's a whole bunch of high-end CRT that support higher than 1080p res. Such as the non-F W900. Nokia also has a few high-res monitors.
Even slightly higher-end 21 inch or more CRT from late 90's to early 2000's support 1920x1440 or higher.

[Anonymous No.1792813]

>>1792810

But only monitors can do that, right? No one made TVs with that capability?

[Anonymous No.1792817]

>>1792813

Monitors, maybe projectors, are more likely to do so.

[Anonymous No.1792843]

>>1792787
I think your shadow mask got loose. And this is inside the tube, so you can't fix that.
In other words: It's fucked.

[Anonymous No.1792854]

>>1792803
Most computer monitors from the early 2000s support higher resolutions than 1080p.
LCDs were a huge step back in terms of resolution. Monitor resolution has been stagnant because of the rise of HDTV.

[Anonymous No.1792864]

>>1792854

Not that Anon, but list models please?

[Anonymous No.1792872]

>>1792804
>>1792805
same time posts are true posts

[Anonymous No.1792873]

>>1792864
All High-End 21 inch Samsung from early 2000's
All High-End 21 inch Nokia from early 2000's
All High-End 21 inch Sony from early 2000's
All High-End 21 inch Nec from early 2000's
etc.
You do realize that's a lot of models right? And that's not even a quarter of the manufacturers who made high-res CRT monitors.

[Anonymous No.1792878]

H-here I go again, this guy >>1788902 from previous thread

I got some help from /g/ and this might very well be a lost cause, but on the off chance that someone has any idea what I'm doing wrong I'll post it in these threads for the last time

TL;DR I'm trying to hook up a Macintosh Color Display to my main pc through DVI using DA-15 to VGA and VGA to DVI connectors, the screen keeps scrolling up like the frames on the roll of a film and supposedly this is cause by incorrect refresh rate, but even trying the right refresh rate (66.7Hz) and resolution (640x480) through custom resolution in the nVidia control panel causes the scrolling. Strangely enough it works perfectly on my g3 mac. I've tried every refresh rate from 60hz to 85hz to no avail. I found pic related on the back of the monitor looking for vertical hold knob or similar but don't know what theyre for and was advised not to mess with them.

Any help appreciated. Unless I figure it out I'll just hook it up to the mac, I'd just rather use the pc for convenience and because more disk space

[Anonymous No.1792891]

>>1792878
It's a sync issue, I can tell you that much.
Out of curiosity, what kinda sync does the mac monitor eat? Cus if it's composite sync and it's getting horizontal or something, that might cause such issues.

[Anonymous No.1792910]

>>1792878
the picture shows POTs (potentiometers, used for adjustments)

left is probably h-position
middle i'm not sure
right is skew
shouldn't be a need to touch those

when the picture looks like it's in the right place, does it jolt a little as if it's trying to keep a still picture, or does it scroll smoothly, at a constant rate?

[Anonymous No.1792913]

>>1792891
>what kinda sync does the mac monitor eat?
What do you mean?
It uses DA-15, if you mean refresh rate then 66.7hz

[Anonymous No.1792916]

Is there a minimum refresh rate? I want to see it scan really slowly.

[Anonymous No.1792921]

>>1792810
>>1792812
>>1792817
Yes but what are the horizontal scan rates on them? Would any tube ever possibly do 4K res, or even 4Ki?

>>1792878
If the monitor works on a G3 Mac (I'm assuming you used its native god-forsaken cable plug) then it can receive a correct signal. The issue must lie in the conversion between your double adapter setup. You know it's never good to convert more times than you have, to, right? Who knows how badly implemented the converters you're using are, or which of them is the problem.

[Anonymous No.1792923]

>>1792913
I mean, does it support composite sync, separate sync or sync on green?

[Anonymous No.1792935]

>>1792921
>what are the horizontal scan rates on them
depends on the monitor. the most common is 85hz for 1920x1440. though some only support 60hz at 1920x1440. and some do higher.
>Would any tube ever possibly do 4K res
none that are widespread afaik.

[Anonymous No.1792938]

>>1792878
you know, VGA uses RGBHV, specifically, vertical sync is a seperate pin, which means if it's not connecting, you'll get a vertically rolling image no matter what

[Anonymous No.1792945]

>>1792910
yeah theyre really poorly drawn so they probably dont even make sense hehe. Thanks for clearing it up though

depending on the hz setting the screen is either too much to the left or right, it stays in position though and doesnt jolt. It usually scrolls at the same pace from what Ive seen but at the "best" setting (77hz) it scrolls really slowly and at least once stopped albeit "between frames" like it was a roll of film, it was still flickering a lot though. I've also seen it increase in rolling speed from slow in that setting

>>1792921
yeah I worried about that but at the same time I have to use DVI as the mobo VGA is disabled with my gpu running. I suppose I could look and see if I have another adapter or something

>>1792923
I have no idea sorry. Is there any way to check this?

[Anonymous No.1792951]

>>1792796
The CRT weighs a shit ton ~300 pound probably. I gave up on trying to scoot it forward (because the concrete scraping noise) and rolled that console beside it back instead

>>1792804
>>1792805
Less

>>1792769
I definitely modded her

>>1792797
I fancy myself more of a Tom Baker.

[Anonymous No.1792958]

>>1792760
Would love to get some Mitsubishi stuffs.
It's just that my apartment is hilariously tiny.

[Anonymous No.1792960]

>>1792945
>I've also seen it increase in rolling speed
from how it sounds, this line especially, the monitor might not be getting a vsync signal at all

try cleaning out your adapters, screw them in if they have screws, wiggle them a bit to see if the image gets better/worse momentarily
try other adapters/cables if you can

[Anonymous No.1792964]

>>1792960
I just think that with all the pin mismatch between two converters, a critical signal pin accidentally gets cropped out at some point by converter manufacturers that don't know how to do it right. Either way latency must suck if the converters ever resort to digital reprocessing.

[Anonymous No.1792965]

>>1792960
ps. i spent a couple days trying things with my vga>scart cable only to find pin 20 (csync) on the scart plug (or tv, still not sure) was kinda dirty

me:
>>1784963

[Anonymous No.1792983]

>>1792854
>>1792873
Remember: even 1600x1200 is not 1080p because 4:3. Letterboxing. Insufficient horizontal resolution. Takes 2048x1536 minimum in a 4:3 to display 1080p content without loss.

[Anonymous No.1792984]

>>1792958
I have a 15" Kustom cabinet in my basement and that driver looks even bigger.

[Anonymous No.1792985]

Not really /vr/, but you guys are the only place I know to ask this.

I bought a big ass 4:3 Trinitron a while back, and I was wondering about the 16:9 enhanced setting. Can someone explain what this really does , and should I be using it for games that would play letterbox regardless of what screen I have?

[Anonymous No.1792986]

>>1792983
1920x1440 is higher than 1080p, and it's supported by most 21 inch CRT made in the early 2000's.

[Anonymous No.1792989]

>>1792983
>Takes 2048x1536 minimum in a 4:3 to display 1080p content without loss.
Hey everyone, spot the mistake.

[Anonymous No.1792990]

>>1792983

1080p only means it had 1080 progressive lines. Of course 1600*1200 isn't 1080p, it's better.

[Anonymous No.1793003]

>>1792986
>>1792989
>math not science
1920x1440 is a pretty uncommon resolution in the real world, pedantic fucks.

[Anonymous No.1793008]

>>1793003

No it's not. Many of my monitors supports it.

[Anonymous No.1793012]

>>1793003
CRTs have a broader support of resolutions than LCDs with native resolutions. It's more common than you think when you realize that.

In any case: I'm leaving this here.

[Anonymous No.1793030]

>>1793012
16:10 best aspect ratio

[Anonymous No.1793034]

>>1793030
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.1793035]

>>1793030
I had a 16:10 Samsung HT monitor I gave to my brother and I got a 1080p one instead. Reason: Better horizontal FOV in the FPS I played. Good to know when a spy is coming in towards you from the side. K, that's it for non-/vr/ness.

[Anonymous No.1793040]

>>1793030

>16:10

[Anonymous No.1793041]

>>1792990
1080p requires 1920 horizontal. 1600x1200 has more total pixels, but still can't display it correctly.

>>1793008
>>1793012
But how many of those 4:3 monitors can accept a 1920x1080 signal and automatically display it in 16:9? 16:9 native mode content should really be viewed on 16x9 displays. You guys probably run everything through your OS but not everyone does.

[Anonymous No.1793042]

>>1793034
1920x1200 is better than 1920x1080 for older games since there's a lot of slightly older games which support 1600x1200 but not 1440x1080.

[Anonymous No.1793045]

>>1793035
This was my reasoning for 16:9 for years.
Yeah sure 16:10 gives a higher resolution. But the perspective given in game does not draw a taller image. It simply takes away from the sides. I want to see as much as possible so 16:9 it is.

[Anonymous No.1793047]

>>1793030
2.35:1 standard when?
Not this 1920x800 bullshit though.
Keep it 1080 lines but a 2.35:1 aspect ratio.

[Anonymous No.1793050]

>>1793047
1080 lines is shit.
pls think of the graphists

[Anonymous No.1793059]

>>1793045
>CAN give a higher resolution
fixed

[Anonymous No.1793061]

>>1793042
there's usually ways around it, widescreen gaming forums is a good place to find methods of getting custom resolutions out of games

and 1280x1024 is pretty close to using as much space as is available at 5:4 if all else fails

[Anonymous No.1793064]

>>1793041
>But how many of those 4:3 monitors can accept a 1920x1080 signal and automatically display it in 16:9?
You are not making sense. We are talking about computer monitors where the graphics adapter sets the resolution.

[Anonymous No.1793069]

>>1793061
1280x1024 in most games is absolute shit since they don't take the aspect ratio into account properly and instead treat it as 4:3.

[Anonymous No.1793072]

>>1793012
>claims 1920x1440 is a common resolution
>posts an image that doesn't list 1920x1440
I'm well aware that LCDs and many other panel displays have fixed native resolutions and anything other than their native resolution is resampled but that has nothing to do with CRTs displaying the extremely standardized resolution known as 1080p.

[Anonymous No.1793074]

>>1793064
And even then a lot of TVs and monitors have features to allow the user to display the source to-scale or to 'pan-and-scan' or whatnot. Depends on the manufacturer and if the tube is feature dense.

[Anonymous No.1793076]

>>1793064
We're talking about 1080p and what can and can't display it correctly because that was Anon's original question.

[Anonymous No.1793079]

>>1793072

>the extremely standardized resolution known as 1080p.

Yeah, so standardized that it only means displaying 1080 lines that aren't interlaced.

[Anonymous No.1793082]

>>1793076
>what can and can't display it correctly
And as the other anon answered, any midrange monitor from the early 2000 can.

[Anonymous No.1793087]

>>1793069
the crt pc monitor i used for years normally only went up to 1280x1024 (only much later did i mess with things to get different resolutions above that)

to be honest i've never been annoyed by any differences between 4:3 and 5:4, i've always considered them to be close enough to each other, at least for gaming purposes

also i don't think i've actually gotten stuck with using 1280x1024 on my current 1920x1080 monitor, there's always been some way to get the game to work at native res, sometimes not without stretching some UI elements, but that usually doesn't matter much in 3D games

[Anonymous No.1793092]

>>1793072
Well I doubt you'll see PAL in usage outside of Europe. Those vertical lines are better suited to what the CRT's over there were initially capable of. Yet with any high-resolution-capable CRT you can fit a PAL signal with a 1:1 scale ratio as PAL within the screen without digital conversion, 16:9, 4:3, or otherwise.

CRTs have analog horizontal display lines, which means you could virtually fit infinite pixels in each line, but the logic circuitry that determines a pixel's shape usually doesn't support more than a certain amount, and the actual pixel shape is determined more by timing (an analog to digital conversion) than by digital limitations.

[Anonymous No.1793094]

>>1793092

PAL have been used in Australia and New Zealand too.

[Anonymous No.1793104]

>>1793082
>any midrange monitor from the early 2000s can display 1920x1080 in 16:9
I have issues with this answer, and expect many anons attempting to connect their PS3s to such monitors based on that answer would as well.

[Anonymous No.1793115]

>>1793104
You could if you've got the proper converter.

[Anonymous No.1793117]

>>1793104
If you can't read that's your problem.

[Anonymous No.1793119]

>>1793104
I uh...
wow

[Anonymous No.1793123]

>>1793042
This.

1920x1200 displays and higher are really the only way not to compromise on either 1920x1080 or 1600x1200 signals.

[Anonymous No.1793130]

>>1793072

Also, technically you can also get a 4:3 monitor to display a 4x3 resolution using the entire screen without data loss, and you can even get PCs to output this signal and any other 'custom' resolutions you want, both within windows and within graphics drivers' control panels.

>>1793079

As for WHY the industry has chosen to always market even CRT monitors with compliance to the standard (and not let others know it's capable of more) is because their inputs probably didn't accept a signal that supported that resolution. If it was a monitor it would. Generally though, the higher the resolution the noisier the signal gets, so you could only take analog VGA to so high of a display resolution without quality loss, even if the CRT supported more. And also because 1080p is a standard, of course all consumer oriented hardware is going to try and market towards the deadlocked target and not try and be better or different. Besides, there's compatibility issues when you deviate from habit because people don't like change.

[Anonymous No.1793143]

>>1793104
i'd be wondering why there would be ps3 users on /vr/, except in the case of using one to run emulators on, in which case they probably won't be using 1920x1080 mode anyway

[Anonymous No.1793145]

Are computer monitors always in progressive scan?

[Anonymous No.1793147]

>>1793130

CRTs capable of displaying 1080p and more weren't really marketed to the consumer, more like to the professionals.

[Anonymous No.1793150]

>>1793145
They can do interlaced too if you really really want to.

[Anonymous No.1793157]

>>1793145
normally yes, though interlaced modes aren't impossible

interlacing was just a kind of trick to get more effective lines of resolution out of limited bandwidth, something pc monitors were designed to have more of from the beginning

intentionally using interlaced modes could be handy for viewing interlaced videos though, provided you lack the resources to do reasonable software deinterlacing

[Anonymous No.1793158]

>>1793150
Well I was wondering if all the resolutions supported by my CRT monitor were all progressive scan since it never specifically states progressive or interlaced.

[Anonymous No.1793159]

>>1793147
That's mostly because most consumers had either 17 or 19 inch CRT by the early 2000's.
A few of which can also do 1920x1440

[Anonymous No.1793161]

>>1793158
yea, normally pc monitors specs will only list progressive modes

[Anonymous No.1793165]

>>1793158
Most likely progressive.
You can check the manual to see its max res. Interlaced resolutions are always specifically mentioned for CRT.

[Anonymous No.1793167]

>>1793147
>>1792873

How many 'professionals' are there with all these model lines available?

[Anonymous No.1793173]

>>1793167
CAD, 3D modelling, Image processing, Video editing, Industrial control panels which require a fuckton of space on the screen, Medical Imaging. And anything else which might require a bit more screen space or sharper image.

[Anonymous No.1793174]

>>1793161
>>1793165
Damn. I just today realized PC monitors were progressive. For some reason I assumed all CRTs were interlaced. The only thing I held to LCD was that they were smaller and had progressive scan. But now I'm learning all they offer is being smaller and energy efficient.

[Anonymous No.1793176]

>>1792951
a God amongst men

[Anonymous No.1793178]

>>1793157
also, if you are playing interlaced videos, make sure you use a mode with the exact same vertical resolution as the video

interlaced video won't display correctly unless the fields line up and are drawn in the right order

[Anonymous No.1793180]

>>1792985
I think it means that all of the horizontal resolution is compressed to display in 16:9, so you get a better picture as opposed to a tv that uses lines to draw the space above and below the letterbox.

My understanding is that it'll only help you if you have a video signal that is actually in 16:9, so if you have a game that is 4:3 letterboxed, you'll get a squished picture.

[Anonymous No.1793189]

>>1793174
pretty much, yea

gotta go thin

[Anonymous No.1793202]

>>1793189
TVs I guess are fine since 15kHz. But computer monitors there was no reason to go LCD since we already had higher resolutions and refresh rates. By going thin we limited ourselves to one resolution at 60Hz?

[Anonymous No.1793204]

>>1793174
>>1793189

But you could set a higher resolution if the processor/graphics card was the bottleneck by switching to interlaced mode in your OS.

[Anonymous No.1793208]

>>1793202
You forget that CRT also have geometry issues.

[Anonymous No.1793215]

>>1793208
I think the extra res and frames is worth a bit of geometry headaches.

[Anonymous No.1793224]

>>1793215
Just try and get UHD/4K on a CRT the size of a mobile phone though. I think the only technical difficulty there might be the phosphors, but maybe I can be proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.1793226]

>>1793202

TVs and other 15kHz monitors are better at displaying 240p and lower resolutions.

[Anonymous No.1793228]

>>1793215
Depends on what you're doing with it.
For something like medical imaging due to the geometry issues, it was worth changing over to other display technologies.

[Anonymous No.1793229]

>>1793202
adding to
>>1793208
i don't really think thinness is the only thing

lcd's are nicer for static content where contrast/color accuracy isn't as important (unless you have an expensive as shit lcd with better support for those)
for the reason that geometry is naturally perfect, they're sharper, and they don't flicker at all (if you can do 85-100hz+ at high res on a crt, then that's nice as well, but no lcd flickers)

i'd rather browse the net all day on an lcd than a crt

just like i'd rather play games on a crt

they each have ups and downs

[Anonymous No.1793247]

>>1793229
I have a 1080p@120Hz LCD monitor with 1-2ms response time, and good color reproduction. Still would like a nice CRT monitor and TV for retro purposes though (and second screen goodness).

[Anonymous No.1793253]

>>1793143
To play PS1 games on?

[Anonymous No.1793258]

>>1793253
Also PS3 can upscale PS1 emulated games and all that.

[Anonymous No.1793262]

>>1793224
>I think the only technical difficulty there might be the phosphors
Close enough.
The correct answer would be pitch of the shadow mask/aperture grille.

[Anonymous No.1793269]

>>1793224
>CRT the size of a mobile phone
Out of curiosity, how are you gonna fit the electron gun?
Gonna be a bit of a chubby mobile phone screen.

[Anonymous No.1793278]

>>1793269
Looking into research on SEDs pretty much answers that (nanoscale electron emitters). Of course that probably wouldn't change the necessity of large depth for electron magnetic guidance if you're doing a classic CRT display style.

[Anonymous No.1793280]

>>1793278
>that profeel when no SED

[Anonymous No.1793281]

>>1793269

Oh that kind of stuff existed back then, you had to fit the electron gun vertically and use a strong magnet to deviate the electron. It was used in some portable Sony TVs.

[Anonymous No.1793282]

>>1793247
i know some lcds can approach crt's advantages, but that support doesn't come cheap (and i'm too poor for that, so i just use a bit of both)

that said, crt's still do low res stuff better

for retro purposes i'd get a crt tele, pc monitors have a smaller dot pitch and won't do less than ~400 lines without doublescan, which make them less suitable for low res games (depending on preferences, as well)

[Anonymous No.1793284]

>>1793278
And seeing how the glass on a CRT would be too thick because of depressured gas containment, I doubt you'd be able to get a thin profile as well even with SEDs. Also is the fact that CRTs have static electric buildup, and if you were to use a CRT on a mobile phone you'd have lots of problems finding a tech to enable static (afaik).

[Anonymous No.1793286]

>>1793269
There were plans for a handheld Vectrex. Also, remember camcorder viewfinders used to be CRTs.

[Anonymous No.1793287]

>>1793284
>drop phone
>it implodes
Poisonous phosphor covered shards of glass everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1793289]

>>1793284
touch screen* sorry

[Anonymous No.1793292]

>>1793281
You wouldn't happen to have some pictures of those?

[Anonymous No.1793293]

>>1793269

[Anonymous No.1793295]

>>1793286
Is this for real? I'm gonna need a source, son.

[Anonymous No.1793302]

>>1793293
nudes pls

[Anonymous No.1793303]

>>1793293
I have a watchman in the house. I could pull up a timestamped pic, but tbh it looks more like there's a projector at the bottom of it. You sure it's CRT? I don't want to risk opening mine up.

[Anonymous No.1793305]

>>1793292
>>1793302

[Anonymous No.1793316]

>>1793303
yea, definately crt

http://electricthrift.com/category/handheld-tvs/

[Anonymous No.1793323]

>>1793305
>>1793316
Well shit. I'd use mine for things but Sony didn't include a video-in port. And now that digital broadcasting is here mine's virtually useless. Can we discuss modding this thing in the thread now?

[Anonymous No.1793325]

>>1793323
Why not broadcast your own analog signal?

[Anonymous No.1793329]

>>1793323
well you could use an RF adapter with them, worst case

[Anonymous No.1793332]

>>1793305
i feel strangely aroused

[Anonymous No.1793336]

>>1793323

Stick the RF out of an Atari 2600 to the antenna and you'll see that it definitely has inputs.

[Anonymous No.1793339]

>>1793323

>>1793293
P.S. my model's like the one on the left. Would take a pic but I'll have to wait until I get back from doctor's later today.

>>1793325
This is not illegal? Thought you had to go through the FCC to broadcast anything in that range anymore. At the very least I might jam any future techs around my area (I live in a city, not bumblefuck nowhere).

>>1793329
Feel free to post about it as I get ready to leave and I'll come back later to read. :)

[Anonymous No.1793348]

>>1793339
>This is not illegal?
Not like anyone's gonna find out. Just broadcast a low enough strength of a signal.

[Anonymous No.1793362]

>>1793323
Yeah. It basically incorporates a tuner to get the desired channel and a demodulator to extract video and audio from the channel.
The video circuits should be simple compared to a color TV as it doesn't need to process chroma to get color.

So, adding video and audio input might be simple in theory. The only obstacles are the space, how to mount the connectors and how to (safely) connect the inputs to the circuits.

[Anonymous No.1793365]

>>1793339
>Feel free to post about it as I get ready to leave and I'll come back later to read. :)
well, i mean anything that has RF out, that is, can output video/audio through the came connector used for the antenna

most older consoles had RF out either integrated or with an adapter

the tv might have an antenna-in port (i used to have a pocket tv, but it was a little newer and lcd), it had an antenna port in the form of a 3.5mm jack
just a matter of hooking that up to a consoles' RF out wire (or straight onto the antenna if there's no such port)

pic related, playstation rf adapter

on a partially related note, i used to have a 14" tele in my room when i was younger, which only had an antenna port. i modified a playstation rf adapter so i could hook up other consoles to it (the adapter actually just takes 5v and composite video/analog audio and converts it to RF, any composite source will work)

[Anonymous No.1793403]

Ay look what I found.

[Anonymous No.1793406]

>>1793403
How's the picture quality and inputs on that thing?
Also, who was the OEM?

[Anonymous No.1793420]

>>1793403
sweeeeeeeet

[Anonymous No.1793423]

>>1793420
Oh my god are the ears speakers by any chance?

[Anonymous No.1793424]

>>1793423
no, they look exactly like speaker grills though because mickey mouse's ears are actually perforated like that

[Anonymous No.1793425]

>>1793423
are you serious?

[Anonymous No.1793427]

>>1793420
yeah

>>1793424
duuuuuude
lel

[Anonymous No.1793428]

>>1793425
Just look at them. It would be perfect.

[Anonymous No.1793429]

>>1793427
derp. "yeah" is for >>1793423

[Anonymous No.1793440]

I just got this back into my flat, bought my 32" LCD because I get a pink left upper corner when playing games with a blue background. Already tried to fix it with a strong drill, didn't work.

This thing won't be here long, but is it also a piece of shit? SEG Cortina-S II

[Anonymous No.1793620]

Do BVMs support 480p?

[Anonymous No.1793741]

I'm thinking about buying this one, any opinions?

[Anonymous No.1793743]

>>1793403
>CRT master race
Fuck PVMs

[Anonymous No.1793795]

>>1793741
>paying for something people throw away on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.1793804]

>>1793403
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.1793898]

Hey /vr/. Back from the doctor. Any info on how to mod would be appreciated. Will it output in color, even if faint? If so, any way to get at least composite or better to it?

[Anonymous No.1793906]

>>1793898
Sorry about rotated image. Apparantly just because it's upright on the phone doesn't mean it is while being stored. Hate that.

[Anonymous No.1793908]

>>1793795
Well widescreen CRTs are pretty rare here

[Anonymous No.1793926]

>>1793795
some people throw things away just because they look old anon, that's normal, and is something retards have done since ever.

[Anonymous No.1793951]

Is it Watchman time? Pulled mine out of the closet, and can no longer find it's power cable. Oh well, time to go find a replacement.

[Anonymous No.1793961]

>>1793951

I >>1793906 don't have a power cable either. It was picked up at a thrift store.

Also, nm. I see on the back that it is black and white.

[Anonymous No.1794000]

Why on Earth does an '85 model have more features than my '92 version?

[Anonymous No.1794006]

>>1794000
Forgot link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wokgD0MiKU

<- Some more details too.

[Anonymous No.1794010]

>>1793295
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3117/a_history_of_gaming_platforms_the_.php

>>1793293
Imagine a Vectrex this size and shape. So sweet.

[Anonymous No.1794058]

Any tips on a stubborn screw?

[Anonymous No.1794068]

Any tips on a tight screw?

[Anonymous No.1794070]

>>1794068
Why the hell does it keep rotating my photos to landscape when I took them in portrait, moved the photo to my PC, checked that it was portrait, and even rotated it manually 4 times to make sure it stayed portrait?

[Anonymous No.1794082]

>>1794070
Proof.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1794085]

>>1794082
Exif data being a bitch?

[Anonymous No.1794103]

>>1794085
Can't change (Yes I have an 8 metro app for exif, shut up)?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1794115]

>>1794103
I usually just remove the exif data entirely with GIMP if it's giving me trouble.

[Anonymous No.1794636]

Hey /vr/, pulled out my little 5 inch B/W CRT. Gotta say, Kinda neat I can still actually see what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.1794659]

>>1794636

I don't know, in a certain way, neat is the right word, on the other hand, when I look at the pic displayed on this set, I can't say that it's really neat.

[Anonymous No.1794673]

>>1794659
Yeah, B/W without scan lines CRT is neat, but when I got the actual picture, I thought it looked off.

[Anonymous No.1794818]

>>1794659
Neato.

[Anonymous No.1794832]

>>1794636
In seriousness, if you were to hook it up to a TV, how many bits of monochrome shades would be good? 8? 16?

[Anonymous No.1794840]

>>1794832
hook a PC up to the TV*

[Anonymous No.1794972]

>>1794115
4chan removes exif data anyways.
iirc it actually re-does the entire god damn image. in case you haven't noticed, colors sometimes fuck up because of that on images uploaded to 4chan.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1795170]

>>1794972
Must have only started doing that.

As for the colors, I actually haven't noticed anything like that; Just the usual thumbnail/image swap and imminent "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOT"ing.

[Anonymous No.1795828]

>>1794972
That would explain a lot of failed checksums I'm getting using 4chan Grab (when downloading images) and missing results on Foolz (when searching for old images I've uploaded using the checksum of a more recent upload).

>FOR WHAT PURPOOOOOOOOSSSSSE

[Anonymous No.1795874]

Not retro but covered under the CRT topic.
I can't seem to get my PS2 using external sync through component.
I've heard people say it is sync on green.
Does this mean I plug green into the sync on my monitor? Or do I have to split the green sending one to green and the other to sync?
Internal sync is causing a bit of shaking in the picture.

[Anonymous No.1795880]

>>1795874
Use composite for sync. If your monitor doesn't into CSync, use an LM1881 sync stripper or buy a prefab SCART to 6-BNC cable that has one.

[Anonymous No.1795956]

Tried wiggling around the converters, tried changing up the DVI converter (VGA to DVI-A this time, the one before was DVI-I) but still no luck. Taking a closer look at the converters however I found something strange; the DA-15 to VGA converter is missing pin 9, see pic. According to Wikipedia it's "KEY/PWR formerly key, now +5V DC". I'd assume thats what's causing the problem but then why does it work fine with the G3?

I'm thinking maybe the pin has gotten stuck in the VGA port of the G3s gpu. Then again I'm not sure that would actually work and im probably being ridiculous. Either way I'm thinking of taking out the gpu (ATI Rage 128) from the G3 and installing it in my main pc, but then my question is will it work? Can I use my 560ti for my LCD screen while at the same time running the 128 for the Mac screen? My mobo has 2 PCI slots aside from the PCI-E so it would most likely fit.

Thanks for all the help

>>1792921
I know I know, but since the VGA converter works to the G3 I'm guessing it's the VGA to DVI converter whos at fault

[Anonymous No.1796037]

Do PVM/BVMs have hour counters somewhere in the menu?

[Anonymous No.1796042]

>>1796037
i also would like to know this. it's my only concern about buying a pvm/bvm.

[Anonymous No.1796156]

>>1793795
Is that your dad?

[Anonymous No.1796503]

>>1796037
>>1796042
I'm curious as well about this, but you can be pretty sure that medical PVM's won't have many hours on them.

[Anonymous No.1796548]

>>1795956
So you're saying that when you connected the DA-15 monitor to the G3, you also used the DA-15 to VGA converter as well? I imply this because you said the pin was missing on the CONVERTER, and not the MONITOR'S CABLE.

Also, DVI-I handles both DVI-D and DVI-A, so not too surprising why DVI-A didn't work, but good effort, and at least we know it's not the DVI converter at fault.

If you're really going to plug the G3's video card into your PC, make sure that your PC supports PCI, as most new motherboards just don't anymore.

[Anonymous No.1796620]

>>1793906 here.

So if I get RF working and can get a VGA->RF converter and all that, I'm interested in testing outputting from my PC to the monochrome display.

Also, I'm sure >>1794636 would benefit from this as well if he decides to connect to PC for emu purposes.

The thing is that I don't see support for monochrome displays in neither Windows nor my driver's control panel. Do I have to physically be connected to an analog source first, for those options to show up? At the very least I should be able to switch color mode to something below 32bpp even for my digital LCD (like for compatibility modes).

[Anonymous No.1796650]

>>1796620
B/W CRT guy here. Mine actually takes RGB, so I can just hook up my consoles directly. For curiosity sake, how would I hook it up to my PC through RGB?

[Anonymous No.1796660]

>>1796620
I mean I guess I can always set up a VM with a retro OS and allocate it the analog display and let it manage it, but I'm fairly certain with the right software/know-how you can get various display modes working in modern OSes. At least in Linux you definitely can.

[Anonymous No.1796696]

>>1796650
Get a VGA/DVI->RGB converter I would suspect. Anything that preserves the data of the pins is okay. The only problem you might have is your PC probably wanting to output in a Progressive mode, which doesn't work well above 240p and NTSC refresh rates (USA) on 15kHz Horizontal Scan-Rate Monitors (Ordinary CRT Televisions). So you could always switch the resolution mode to 'interlaced' in your equivalent of the control panel. Make sure you look up info of your CRT to see the maximum resolution it supports. Apparently most TVs support higher resolutions than consoles or broadcasted TV allows.

[Anonymous No.1796712]

>>1796650
Also, you sure that's RGB? Looks like monaural composite to me.

Another tip for mono sound is switching the sound output balance in the volume control panel in windows to only output to the left (or right) speaker, depending on which one you use. However, you probably would have/want your own PC speakers connecting to your PC directly, and using the sound from that than using the sound on the dinky mono speaker on the TV.

[Anonymous No.1796778]

Just rearranged my retro corner.

[Anonymous No.1796783]

>>1796778
Damn it why does it always flip them?

[Anonymous No.1796804]

>>1796778
>>1796783
Nice retro collections. Wish I had the space/thriftiness to shop for stuff like that. What kind of retro setup do you have for your computer (for everything else you don't have retro hardware for)?

[Anonymous No.1796853]

Hey guys, my Grundig CUC5360 has a bit too much red in the image.
Does anyone know how could I fix that?
Also, the image looks marvelous (pure RGB) but is off-centered.

I've read that there is a "service code" that you can input with the remote and move the image around and change the R/G/B balance.

Does anyone knows it?
Does anyone know how could I find it?

Googling has given me zero results.
Grundigs have been made mostly in Germany. I guess a german-speaking bro could help me?

[Anonymous No.1796856]

>>1796548
yep that's right.

I really just wanted to try a different converter regardless if it was DVI-I or DVI-A just to see it the one before was damaged or something

the mobo has 2 PCI ports but I'm not doing it, I put it in and the fucker blocked 3/4 of the 560tis fans, fuck that

[Anonymous No.1796867]

>>1796650
>B/W CRT
>actually takes RGB
all of my wat

I think that what you see is luminance (the very same as used in S-Video), but i bet that a lowpass is applied to that input to get rid of the chrominance as you can connect plain composite without getting a moire pattern over the screen.

>For curiosity sake, how would I hook it up to my PC through RGB?
You have to convert H- and Vsync into Csync, then add the specifically mixed RGB. This will result into luminance.
Or the simple way, you don't. Just use the composite/S-Video output. It isn't that it would matter very much, as this >>1794636 doesn't look that very great.

[Anonymous No.1796894]

>>1796867
Yeah that's right. Older video cards actually had component/S-Video and other outputs besides just VGA/DVI/HDMI/etc. So obviously if your PC is old enough to have that then go for that. My computer doesn't though. The only analog output it has is VGA, which thankfully isn't deprecated entirely yet.

[Anonymous No.1796908]

So my old Trinitron XBR from the 80s has this weird thing where when it's turned on for the first time in a few hours it'll have the colors go all wonky - see the attached picture of the (normally white) Wii dashboard.

As you can see it's almost like the colors have become inverted. Anyway, it's not really a big deal because giving it a slap on the side fixes it, and it goes away by itself after being turned on for five minutes or so. I'd just sort of like to know what's causing it (though I'd imagine it might have something to do with the TV being nearly three decades old).

[Anonymous No.1796920]

>>1796856
Man, I hate Apple products. They can't even stick to a consistent standard across a few years. Based IBM PC Compatible support.

What's your budget like? Can't you just abandon that old Mac monitor and get something decent without a fuss?

[Anonymous No.1796932]

>>1796908
I wouldn't slap it like that; it's not good for it
I think the phenomenon you're seeing is related to degaussing, but it shouldn't last that long. Sounds maybe like something went wrong with the coil? I dunno.

[Anonymous No.1796935]

>>1796908
I have no idea. If slapping it on the side fixes it, then some component's probably loose inside due to weak solder joints. If it's really from the '80s you should consider replacing most of the electronic components with newer ones with better materials.

[Anonymous No.1796937]

>>1796920
I hear ya man and the computer this monitor originally went to didnt even have DA-15, it had to use a DB-25 converter. Fucking Apple.

Absolutely. I don't know how much a good old CRT monitor would cost but Im pretty sure I could pay it, I'm just a cheap bastard and want to save every penny if I can. Id like it if it could connect to both my main pc and the G3 but I'm guessing that wont be hard

[Anonymous No.1796948]

>>1796853
>Grundig CUC5360
Google tells to me that this is an oldschool Grundig from the early 90s, also not total garbage.

>Also, the image looks marvelous (pure RGB) but is off-centered.
That's fucking normal for most SCART TVs. Either adjust the TV to this and get a off centered composite as side effect.
Or make (possibly buy) a RGB shifter which can adjust the center externally.

>I've read that there is a "service code" that you can input with the remote and move the image around and change the R/G/B balance.
I own 3 Trinitrons.
My nice KV-C2521D (1991) as main TV and KV-14M00D (1993) stored at the attic. Both don't have a service menu, adjusting requires disassembly and twisting the trimmer pots.
And a KV-M1450D (1995) also in the attic. That one has a service menu and a non-automatic 16:9 mode.

So i think that you can adjust the red drive on the neck board (pic related, should be the same as yours).
I think 1 of the trimmers might that what you're looking for, and i'm sure they appropriate labeled on the other side.

>Grundigs have been made mostly in Germany. I guess a german-speaking bro could help me?
Very true in the 80s and earlier. And yes i'm trying to help you, right now.

[Anonymous No.1796951]

>>1796937
So you're looking to convert its signal AND split it? Hopefully that works out. You'll probably want high quality components because splitting an analog signal can introduce noise.

[Anonymous No.1796957]

>>1796951
nonono not at the same time, just a monitor that works on both

[Anonymous No.1796968]

>>1796957
Derp, I meant a multi-input, uni-output switch. Or you could just unplug and replug it into the other PC when you need it.

[Anonymous No.1796974]

>>1796968
yeah I'd do the latter, havent thought of the first

[Anonymous No.1796975]

>>1796804
I have two old pentiums in a closet. I don't have a good crt monitor yet and my wife would kill me with how much space I already take up in our apt.
I have a wii on component for some emulating some stuff. I've been mostly sticking to the stuff I actually own recently though.
Nothing in that pic cost me over $40. Just keep your eye on craiglist always and you find stuff cheap.

[Anonymous No.1796997]

>>1796974
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=Cj0KEQjwur2eBRDtvMS0gIuS-dYBEiQANBPMR0cj4CkoqOlfuzy2n7ZZZ37ayGH_AI50yK4NH60-Ge4aAuj18P8HAQ&Item=N82E16817196027&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Audio%2fVideo+Switch-_-N82E16817196027&ef_id=Up7A3wAAAEgUcDsI:20140723204402:s

Something similar to this for the former (can't vouch for quality buys though). But if you also wanted to share keyboard and mouse you should probably look into KVMs. I have one or two sitting around in the house.

[Anonymous No.1797034]

>>1796997
so I connect the monitor to I/O and comp1 to A and comp2 to B? noice, looks nifty

[Anonymous No.1797065]

>>1796975
Pentium II 4 life, homes.

>>1797034
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1797150]

>>1797065
sweet

also KVM seems pretty cool, might have to check that out as well

guess since I'm here anyway, what would you say I should expect to pay for an old CRT monitor? what's too expensive and whens it cheap?

[Anonymous No.1797152]

>>1796948
Thanks for the help

>Google tells to me that this is an oldschool Grundig from the early 90s, also not total garbage.

Yes. Only RGB able TV of 29" that I have ever seen. I bought it last year because of this.

>That's fucking normal for most SCART TVs.
Never knew.
> Either adjust the TV to this and get a off centered composite as side effect.
This I'd like to do, moreso because I own all NTSC systems and PAL composite doesn't do shit for me.

>Or make (possibly buy) a RGB shifter which can adjust the center externally.
Make could be, buy would not.

>Both don't have a service menu, adjusting requires disassembly and twisting the trimmer pots.

Ah, crap. I should man up and dissassemble my TV someday, then.

Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.1797208]

>>1797150
Depends highly on the build quality and the rarity, since they're all not made anymore, but luckily are still in high supply in thrift stores and whatnot. My suggestion is to go to your local thrift stores to get a general idea of market price, and then try to find specific models online. Generally you should know what you want from a CRT. Ones with high phosphor quality are the best at color reproduction, and something that intrigues me personally (as well as resolution support).

[Anonymous No.1797219]

>>1797150
You could probably find an old CRT monitor in the trash.
Pricing depends entirely on what you're looking for and where you're at. If it's an FW900, then expect to pay quite a bit.
I'd say don't pay more than 50 dollars or whatever your equivalent in local coins is.
And don't pay anything if it's not in mint condition.

[Anonymous No.1797391]

>>1796548
>I imply this
You inferred it.

>Also, DVI-I handles both DVI-D and DVI-A, so not too surprising why DVI-A didn't work, but good effort
DVI-A is what one should expect to work, and DVI-D is what one should expect not to work.

[Anonymous No.1797402]

>>1796783
>Damn it why does it always flip them?
Because moot made another retarded and wholly unnecessary change live on the production site without testing changes on some beta site. Again. As is normal for this unprofessional website that I love so much.

[Anonymous No.1797409]

>>1796920
>Man, I hate Apple products. They can't even stick to a consistent standard across a few years.
DA-15 lasted for over a decade and really is pin-compatible with VGA when it comes to using VGA monitors on Apple computers. The other way around, they justifiably had no reason to care.

[Anonymous No.1797432]

Thoughts on monochrome monitors? Seems like an awesome way to play super gameboy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwdGsQJ65q8

[B/W CRT Guy No.1797595]

>>1797432
If you want, I can hook up pokemon stadium and show you pokemon on a B/W Crt. I know it's not the same, but I don't own an SNES or Super Gameboy.

[Anonymous No.1797662]

>>1797432
Pointless playing games that weren't meant for monochrome on a monochrome monitor.
If you just want everything green then you're better off buying one of those Philips monitors with a button that turns everything green. On a somewhat related note, what were those originally for?

[Anonymous No.1797742]

A wild KX-14CP1 appears!

Just bought my third Official PS1 SCART lead. Help, they're so pretty.

[Anonymous No.1797758]

>>1797742
>TEST PS2
Never saw any in a tolerable distance from here, does it have any advantages over modchipped regular PS2?

[Anonymous No.1797779]

>>1797758
Not really, though chips are kinda shitty. I've yet to find one (sans maybe a DMS4 S.E Pro) that works as I desire. Discs have to be patched as Master Discs too - but it will boot media from all regions without issue.

I picked up 4 of these for £30 each, sold one to a friend for cost price and the other two for £60 to community members.

[Anonymous No.1797859]

I'm moving into my first house soon, and I'm going to have my own game room. Got all these to work with, plus an old floor model that I'm not sure works.

Wicked pumped to put all these tvs to use again.

[Anonymous No.1797872]

>>1797859
I would love to have a shit ton of PVM, and stacking them into a CRT wall, each with its own system.

[Anonymous No.1797907]

>>1797779
>I've yet to find one that works as I desire
Not sure what you are looking for, but I think Matrix Infinity might be the best choice considering that it can play imports and convert their signals (or even speed up PAL games to work as PAL60, force VGA SoG output etc.), adds native support to non-Sony memory card (those 16/32/64/128 MB) and it has no problems with FMCB whatsoever

[Anonymous No.1797914]

>>1797872
That's the stuff of dreams right there. I'm lucky to have even found the one.

Fucking West Virginia.

[Anonymous No.1798007]

>>1797907
If only it didn't have those garish splash screens. The perk of buying all 4 machines is that I got to choose to keep the NTSC-U machine (EU PSU - DTL-H30101 E) over the other 3 PAL machines. Therefore NTSC PS1 software works correctly which isn't the case of PAL, perfect for my usage. Otherwise I don't really care about those other functions, although I know some people do.

[Anonymous No.1798080]

>>1798007
It only has 1 splash screen at startup and even that one can be disabled in settings menu

[Anonymous No.1798674]

I'm looking for a small CRT, like, 13"-16"ish, does anyone have any good recommendations as far as brand or models?

The only ones I've seen around locally are Orion, and I heard those are not very good.

[Anonymous No.1798685]

>>1798674
Yeah, Trinitron. I have two 13" KVMs one's from 1987 and the other one is a Wega from 2004 they're both sweet but not as sweet as my 14" PVM, though it's a lot bigger. The Wega is pretty deep though.

[Anonymous No.1798714]

>>1797742
Do you have to calibrate the colors on that? or is it magically set up for you? I fucking love those yellows on your screen.

[Anonymous No.1798724]

>>1798685
Those things look nice but are also a bit too advanced for me. I'm thinking of something more RGB friendly, so I don't need to hunt any special cables for my consoles.

[Anonymous No.1798734]

Is it normal that brightness changed the geometry? For example, when watching anime and the screen gets bright the subtitles move a little bit.

[Anonymous No.1798808]

Hey peeps. I've been lurking vr for a while, and finally saw a decent CRT on the side of the road that I could plug my snes, n64 and wii into for some solid retro time.

It's a Panasonic TX-68PS20A. I cleaned all the connections with cotton tips and works fine for the old red yellow and white.. But the picture for component for the wii is all mixed up. Any tips for trying to fix it?

I've got the wii running on RCA now on 50hz which gives the correct screen orientation on 4:3 but it's flicker is giving me a headache. Is it worth persevering to get a component CRT? You've brainwashed me into wanting a sony trinitron.

So far links awakening dx running off the home brew channel looks and sounds amazing compared to LED, but the flicker is killing me.

Tl;dr any easy way to fix component input? Is it really worth it for retro when emulating from the wii?

Thanks! Pic somewhat related.

[Anonymous No.1798817]

>>1798808
>the picture for component for the wii is all mixed up
Picture/video pls. Perhaps a proper description too.
Your post isn't quite clear whether the flickering is composite only or also with component.

[Anonymous No.1798831]

>>1798734
Yes. The power supplies in TVs aren't always the best, and the voltage going to the deflection wavers a bit when the overall brightness changes.

[Anonymous No.1798848]

>>1797662
>If you just want everything green then you're better off buying one of those Philips monitors with a button that turns everything green
Color CRTs will still have an aperture grille or shadow mask, even if you turn off two of the beams. Mono CRTs are completely continuous - the screen is a single even coat of phosphor with nothing interrupting it. They are incredibly clear and sharp at high resolution; if you've never seen one, go remedy that immediately.

>On a somewhat related note, what were those originally for?
Switching the beams on/off individually was to help calibrate the color decoding circuitry. If you had two "reference" colors in a signal, and you knew that they should have the same amount of (for example) green when decoded, you could then adjust the phase of the color decoder until that was true on screen.

[Anonymous No.1798905]

>>1798724
>RGB friendly
I meant, composite friendly.
Yes, composite. I know, I'm a pleb.

[Anonymous No.1798914]

>>1798817

Interesting development. It was blurry on component because it was set to 480p on the wii (I think). This is what component looks like at 576i and 480i set on wii (pic related - colors are all wrong even though they're plugged in correct). Any suggestions?

Composite works fine for everything.

[Anonymous No.1798918]

>>1798914
Are you sure the Wii isn't outputting RGB when you want component or vice-versa?

[Anonymous No.1798930]

>>1798918

Two pics incoming. These are the output options for the wii. Component works for the first two but the colors are messed up.

[Anonymous No.1798932]

>>1798918

This is what component looks like when set to edtv/HDTV 480p. Sorry I'm on a crappy ipad.

[Anonymous No.1798962]

>>1798905
Pretty much all PVM's have composite, though they're usually BNC connectors. They can be easily rectified with an RCA to BNC adapter. I got 10 of the things for about $11 off of Mouser, and I know RadioShacks in the US always have them, though they usually charge like $5 for just one of them.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1798968]

>>1798962
I paid $3 and change for 6 off amazon.

[Anonymous No.1798993]

>>1798968
I wanted to make sure I got good quality adapters so I bought mine through Mouser.

Since Mouser didn't have any male to male SCART cables I did take a gamble on the Acoustic Research SCART cables on Amazon and they turned out to be fucking awesome. With my powered Bandridge SCART switch, I should be able to play games on my PVM and record video once I get video capture hardware.

[Anonymous No.1799030]

>>1798930
You've got a Euro Wii? Probably wants to output RGB, not Y/Pb/Pr. I think you can fix it with a software mod.

[Anonymous No.1799062]

>>1799030

Aussie so yeah probably the same thing. Even playing with the video settings in the emulators causes the same result when I set it to 420p.

The wii works fine using component on my widescreen led, so I think the component jacks on this tv I picked up might be screwed?

So close to joining the emulation master race.

[Anonymous No.1799073]

>>1799062
>The wii works fine using component on my widescreen led
The LCD TV probably accepts RGB or component. The TV only accepts component.

The black hearts in the screenshot are a giveaway. They're being output in RGB, so the green and blue intensities are near zero. This means that the TV is getting near zero on the luma signal (green plug) and making it nearly black.

Set the Wii to output component, not RGB.

[Anonymous No.1799080]

>>1799073

Thanks for your help. I thought I had a pretty decent understanding of all this but obviously not. Sorry if this is an obvious question: How do I set my Wii to output component? The only options in video settings are the ones captured here:

>>1798930

[Anonymous No.1799093]

>>1799080
What kind of cable are you using? It seems that the Wii should autodetect whether it's an RGB/SCART cable or a component cable.

[Anonymous No.1799108]

>>1799093

This cable. Don't think it's an official Nintendo one from memory but it has worked okay with the LED.

[Anonymous No.1799131]

>>1798993
Awesome, I replied to you way back about the cables. I'm glad it all worked out!

[Anonymous No.1799251]

>>1799030
Hm. Can you mod euro Wiis to run at 60hz NTSC? If so that's an interesting developement.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1799252]

>>1799251
Softmod, region change, done.

[Anonymous No.1799262]

>>1799252
And that'd let you keep the RGB out, or is that software-based, like on the PS2?

[Anonymous No.1799483]

>>1798914
This thread is the king of flipped photos.

[Anonymous No.1800117]

How does one test the image of their PVM 1444 QM without input?

[Anonymous No.1800123]

>>1800117
BVM has several test signal channels.
PVMs don't.

[Anonymous No.1800136]

>>1800123
Hmm sucks. Is it normal that the screen is black when I turn it on?

[Anonymous No.1800140]

>>1800136
There should be a "No Signal" message displayed in the bottom left of the monitor.
I know there's a way to keep those notifications on all the time but if you aren't seeing that then maybe there's a way to turn it off all the way.
Check the menus.

[Anonymous No.1800149]

>>1800140
Don't know how to get in one.

[Anonymous No.1800158]

>>1799483
Moot's a retard. I do NOT recommend manually rotating and re-saving photos before uploading. I recommend that Moot fix his shit.

[Anonymous No.1800583]

>>1800136
Yeah, it's normal. I also freaked the fuck out when I first turned my PVM 1444QM on, but I saw the guy who sold it to me test it so that calmed me down a bit.

If anyone has the service manual for it, though, that'd be much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.1801076]

>>1793403
so in all seriousness, is it any good?
I like the small size and not picky enough to consider a PVM

[Anonymous No.1801303]

>>1798714
First taste of real RGB?

[Anonymous No.1801704]

What do you guys think about using a Panasonic Tau for retro games? There is one on CL that I might grab.

[Anonymous No.1801818]

>>1801303
Kind of, I spent a whole week tweaking the settings on my CRT in order to get really good looking primary colors. In the end I went for a sort of more serious tones.

[Anonymous No.1801891]

would a third party component cable be that much different from a first party one ?

it's for my ps2, nb for non /vr/, but its the most correct place to ask.

[Anonymous No.1801972]

>>1799131
Thanks for suggesting them! I was able to confirm that it was the first SCART cable I had and not the switch that was causing interference. Once I find the right TV stand and a second SCART switch I'll have to set up my rolling blackout.

>>1801891
Some of them are. I bought this 3rd party PS2/PS3 component cable from a local game shop and it works great for both systems. I am curious about getting a hold of component cables with composite out on them and testing RGB over it.

[Anonymous No.1801979]

>>1801891
PS2 generic component cables are pretty okay. I have a big fat multi-cable that has composite, component and s-video for SNES/GC/Wii/Xbox/PS* and it works great as long as I only have one console connected to it at a time and only have one of the outputs plugged in.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1802141]

>>1801972
I've got the same exact one. It gives a good image without any visible interference. A bit anecdotal, but the first pair I bought had the plastic covering on the system side come apart before I even got it into the system. Wrapped the replacement with electrical tape just to be safe.

[Anonymous No.1802890]

Hi I'm new to this.
So pretty much any trinitron or PVM and I'm good?

[Anonymous No.1803038]

>>1802141
Huh, that's kind of weird. I've swapped between using it for my PS2 and PS3 a few times and the cable is holding up for me.

[Anonymous No.1803057]

>>1802890
for trinitrons, as long as it is a full analog set you will be good. if you end up getting a digital trinitron then you will need to buy some sort of expensive converters unless you are using a PS2 or Dreamcast in which case I STRONGLY suggest you use S-Video with optimal performance but pictures will be a tiny tiny tiny bit fuzzy.

[Anonymous No.1803261]

>>1802890
And, to cover PVMs, there's a lot of variation in their support. 14" and smaller ones will often be composite only. There are even very common monochrome security camera ones and I'm sure you don't want to play your games in black and white. You'll also want to consider how high you're going to be taking your inputs. All PVMs are outstanding, even with composite though some composite signals are shittier than others (SNES). You'll probably find the best combination of prices and features around the 20" size and they're still small enough to be delivered by normal FedEx or UPS instead of freight. I'd go as far as saying MOST PVM-20s have composite, "s-video", "component" and RGB while 26"+ ones almost always lack "component" (YPbPr) plus the 5-bnc connections on smaller monitors are better to work with than the DB connections bigger ones have and a lot of people say the quality is lower, although that may just be perception since imperfections are more visible at high sizes.

[Anonymous No.1803401]

>>1797742
That looks great. Could you tell me how long it is from front to back?

[Anonymous No.1803438]

>>1799108

If anyone else can help me out on this it would be greatly appreciated. I'm just looking for confirmation or denial that the component ports on my CRT are screwed.

[Anonymous No.1803884]

>>1803261
>14" and smaller ones will often be composite only
Mine has CMPTR (analog RGB), VTR (digital RGB), and S-video in addition to composite.

Do PVMs with only composite input really exist? Sounds weird as heck. Not very "pro" at all.

[Anonymous No.1803921]

>>1803884
VTR is not RGB, dude.

[Anonymous No.1803938]

>>1803884
I'm picking this one up in a week or two, it's a 13".

[Anonymous No.1803939]

>>1803938
and the back.
Composite only.

[Anonymous No.1803976]

>>1803261
>14" and smaller ones will often be composite only
>>1803884
>Do PVMs with only composite input really exist? Sounds weird as heck. Not very "pro" at all.

The PVM1444qm comes with RGB, Composite, S-video, Component, and VTR.

[Anonymous No.1804003]

>>1803976
Shit, forgot my pic.

[Anonymous No.1804024]

>>1803921
VTR is digital RGB, dude.

>>1803939
There's a VTR jack right there, plain as day.

[Anonymous No.1804038]

>>1803438
That looks really close to an official cable to me.

[Anonymous No.1804070]

>>1804024
It's not really RGB in a normal sense though, You're quite limited in what you can actually input through it.

[Anonymous No.1804142]

>>1804070
That's fine, but it's not a question or concern that I'm addressing in either >>1803884 or >>1804024.

[Anonymous No.1804152]

>>1803261
>>1803057
I'll probably be using RCA cables, the oldest system I have is either an atari 2006 that I got pretty much brand new looking(except for the old box) or the SNES

should I stay away from large TVs, say 28"-36"? because I found a 32 and 36 inch trinitron thats cheaper than some smaller ones on craigslist.

[Anonymous No.1804178]

>>1804152
>atari 2006
Pretty sure Atari was only doing Flashbacks by 2006.

;^)

captcha for this post: crtspol jaiosdf

[Anonymous No.1804206]

>>1804024
You got a source on VTR being RGB? Its not that I don't believe you, Anon, but all I can find about it is the pinout for the cable, and no mentions of rgb at all - only that the 8 pins are Video in, video out, audio in, audio out and 4 grounds.

[Anonymous No.1804228]

>>1804178
lel
woops
meant 2600

I might look for Sony PVM 9041 QM or Sony PVM1351Q

[Anonymous No.1804258]

>>1804206

[Anonymous No.1804294]

>>1804258
I think I'm guilty of adding to the confusion on this one.

When marked VTR, it's just analog video. But the jack is also a common digital RGB connector. So anyone with a retro computer background is automatically going to assume that's what it is.

Sorry about that!

[Anonymous No.1804364]

>>1792689
hey guys, im looking for a good widescreen crt to play quake 3 on

do any of you know about any good specific models for this? I know about the FC900 but im looking for something cheaper

[Anonymous No.1804643]

>>1797742
Where did you get the scart lead?

[Anonymous No.1805564]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-PVM-1351Q-13in-Trinitron-Color-Video-Monitor-13-Screen-/131124855349?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e87a68235

worth it?

[Anonymous No.1805795]

>>1805564
If I lived close and shipping wasn't a terrible bitch, I'd buy it myself.

[Anonymous No.1806283]

So I have a graphics card with a S-video, VGA and DVI outputs. Which output would be best for a CRT in an emulator setup?

S-video is obviously the easiest since it's just one cable with no conversion, but is there any downside to say a VGA-to-RGBSCART set-up? Is there any reason to even consider the DVI?

[Anonymous No.1806336]

>>1806283
You might be able to use drivers to get the VGA port to output 15khz RGB and just use the apropriate cable to hook it up to an RGB monitor. Hooking straight up to a VGA CRT monitor is also a good option.

[Anonymous No.1806337]

>>1806283
VGA is the best, since it provides RGB, and you have more control over your modelines

what card is it? to use vga with a tv it will need to be able to do 15khz modes

[Anonymous No.1806396]

>>1806337

>You might be able to use drivers to get the VGA port to output 15khz RGB

I've found a somthing called "soft-15khz". People with my cards seems to have positive experiences.

>just use the apropriate cable to hook it up to an RGB monitor.

Basically something like this?

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/2M-Scart-to-15-Pin-HD-Female-VGA-SVGA-Cable-Male-LCD-Lead-Plug-Connecter-Meter-/331268687694?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4d2127074e

>>1806336

>what card is it?

Nvidia 8500 GT

[Anonymous No.1806416]

>>1806396
Something like that for an RGB monitor with SCART, yeah, though at that price I think that particular cable probably isn't shielded or grounded properly.

[Anonymous No.1806436]

>>1806396
those cables are not what you want, they're for different things

those are wired for scart *out* to vga *in*

it's for connecting scart gear to certain kinds of projectors

that said, there are sutiable cables floating around, look for ones made for "arcade" use

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-RGB-ARCADEVGA-TO-SCART-CABLE-ADAPTER-EUROCONECTOR-for-JAMMA-system-/331247856930?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d1fe92d22

[Anonymous No.1806461]

>>1806436

Thanks for telling me, I don't think I've felt any more like a complete moron when I've spend money on the wrong cables.

[Anonymous No.1806512]

>>1806461
it's all good, just remember that connecting a pc to scart isn't a common thing to do, so you won't find cheap manufactured cables, only custom made and specialty ones

this is somewhat common around home arcade/mame enthusiasts though, as tv's via rgb make a good alternative to arcade monitors

[Anonymous No.1806832]

>>1804643
I have my sources. eBay and also community forums. I've started buying them when I see them though...

[Anonymous No.1807396]

>>1792749
So what kind of horizontal scan rate does that monitor support? If Carmack is running his computer at 1080p@85Hz, then it should be at a minimum of 85*1080=91.8 kHz. This is even more impressive because of the widescreen aspect ratio. What's the maximum horizontal scan rate ever manufactured for CRTs on common aspect ratios?

[Anonymous No.1807542]

>>1807396

And that's probably not even it's maximum.

There are CRT-monitors that go well above 100Khz however. Like the FW900 easily puts out 1920x1200@95p. Only problem with these beasts is that they shipping costs are usually in the hundreds of dollars range.

[Anonymous No.1808259]

>>1804364
please respond

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1808415]

>>1808259
>FC900
FW900

Might be able to find a W900 for less.

Admittedly I didn't get seriously into computers until the late 00's, but I can't seem to remember seeing many widescreen PC CRTs.

[Anonymous No.1808460]

>>1806396
>I've found a somthing called "soft-15khz".
It's redundant, look up CRT Emudriver.

[Anonymous No.1808641]

>>1808415
shoot, i misspelled FW900
i meant other than FW900 since i cannot find any for sale

[Anonymous No.1808804]

Hey guys, I've just come into possession of this tv. I don't know what to make of it. The back has a lot of nice inputs, but it's a DLP so I have no idea whether it would be decent for old games. I'm going to hook it up and try out my NES on it when I get a chance in a few hours. That might decide it. It's widescreen so some of the screen is a waste. I have no room for it.

I'm strongly considering just selling it but....it is 42 inches.....

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL-R4266W-42-Inch-Widescreen-HDTV/dp/B0009EXVIA

[Anonymous No.1808814]

>>1808804
it also has a third RYW input on the side, as well as what might be USB. Internet specs don't mention usb though

[Anonymous No.1808869]

>>1808804
I'll go ahead and include a stock front image right now. It's pretty dusty and shoved in a corner, otherwise I would take a pic of the unit I have.

[Anonymous No.1809169]

Hey /crt/. I got a PVM recently and at times there's some pretty heavy streaking via composite. I'm talking if there's a text box, there's a slightly darker streak moving out from where the text is across the width of the screen, or if there's something bright on a dark background there's a visible streak of color, etc. I don't have the cables to try anything else right now so I'm just wondering, is this possibly an effect of the composite cables or is it definitely a sign the tube is on the way out?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1809313]

As it seems that the old Dell in the attic doesn't want to cooperate, would it be possible to get soft15khz or any of the other similar options working with the Intel 950GMA inside an r60 Thinkpad? Linux would be fine if it would mean I could get a proper 15khz signal; I'm not picky about OSs.

The real bummer is I won't be able to use my old ATi 9600.

[Anonymous No.1809691]

>>1808804

Most likely it's going to be as badly suited for retro gaming as modern HDTVs. It's to do with analog-to-digital conversion and upscaling and all that wonderful malarkey.

To be sure, try playing Duck Hunt on it. That games becomes impossible to be on new HDTV due to the previously mentioned latency issues.

[Anonymous No.1809717]

>>1808460

Says it only works for ATI cards. I have an nVidia.

[Anonymous No.1809843]

>>1794000
>you're wondering why the older model has more features than the newer one on a Sony device

Heh heh.

[Anonymous No.1810195]

Got my 5€ TV, looks okay, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.1810204]

>>1806832
How much would I be looking to spend to get one? What's a fair price?

[Anonymous No.1810234]

>>1808641
anyone?

[Anonymous No.1810284]

>>1810195
>forced interlacing
>looks okay
0/10

>5€ TV
Ah, du bist es. Hab ja gesagt dass die neumodischen Grundigs zu nichts gut sind. Aber der NES Zapper sollte noch funktionieren.

[Anonymous No.1810408]

>>1810195
>That shadow mask

3 euros too many.

[Anonymous No.1810424]

We CRT projectors too? I think the best ones for /vr/ are the "cheap" ones, but finding them local is tough and shipping cost a fuckton.

[Anonymous No.1810453]

>>1810424
I've been trying to find a CRT projector for a long time. No luck though, as there were very few consumer-oriented models. I don't even know where I'd look for commercial surplus or whatever.

[Anonymous No.1810465]

>>1809313
I've got a Dell Mini 9 running Linux and I can drive a 15KHz monitor just fine.

[Anonymous No.1810476]

>>1810424
You could always ask some local small movie theater if they happen to have some old spare one in storage they'd be willing to sell.

[Anonymous No.1810493]

>>1810476
Why would a small movie theater have a CRT projector? Typically, around here at least, the small theaters are all arthouse-type deals with nothing but film.

[Anonymous No.1810494]

>>1810453
This is where I've found a ton of shit on CRT projectors. Dude also sells some old ones, but he only ships on palettes and it's 200$+ for shipping.

http://www.curtpalme.com/TechTips.shtm

[Anonymous No.1811605]

I know it's not retro (enough) but you guys are the only ones that would know. I can't ask /v/ or anything.

I can't decide whether to hook my Gamecube and PS2 up to the CRT or the HDTV. I've got component out for both and I've been comparing. Things look a little jagged on the S-video, but nice and bright, while they look smooth but kinda...I don't even know, dull, on the HDTV

[Anonymous No.1811627]

>>1811605
You have a slight advantage on an HDTV with Gamecube because a good amount of its games support 480p (I think you need to hold a button combo on the GCN to activate it but if you're using a Wii set to 480p it's automatic), but so few PS2 games support anything higher than 480i that it's not worth it. Bear in mind even with 480p you're still upscaling it by a rather large amount to your TV's native resolution.

If your SDTV supports component I would say that's your best bet, but since you said S-Video I'm going to assume that's the best your CRT can offer. Even still I'd say the CRT is better off since that's what the consoles were made for, but with 6th gen consoles it's kind of a wash. The unfortunate thing about the 6th generation of consoles is this is when developers started using mostly interlaced resolutions for their games (Sans the Dreamcast, which was native 480p for everything) and anything 480i is ugly on every TV, and honestly, your best bet for both GCN and PS2 is emulation at high (and most importantly) progressive resolutions.

[Anonymous No.1811740]

>>1810234
nobody has an answer?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1811767]

>>1810465
Well that's promising.

Any pointers or links on figuring out how to go about doing so? I don't have much experience with Linux.
Also contemplating on whether I want to tear the VGA cable off of an old broken NEC CRT I have in the attic, and use that as the basis.

[Anonymous No.1811806]

>>1810465
WHOAH WHOAH hold up, you can output 15khz with a GMA950 netbook? Holy shit YES.

[Anonymous No.1811869]

>>1811627
>your best bet for both GCN and PS2 is emulation

[None !CptFAlCOno No.1811909]

I'm looking for information on why my CRT monitor is making a high pitch sound and what I can do about but I'm not turning up much on how I can fix this. I'm willing to take apart my monitor and repair what ever needs to be fixed to get rid of the noise.

[None !CptFAlCOno No.1811927]

>>1811909
>http://ask.metafilter.com/11916/CRT-whine-how-to-stop-it
>The change in pitch can be from thermo-mechanical changes within the enclosure - say, a loose transformer gets looser as the cabinet heats up. Try whacking the cabinet :-) Sometimes a bad cable connection - even an exteranl one - can actually result in noise.

Giving it a good slap actually made the noise go away for a few moments and made it quiet down shortly after. Looks like something is loose then, maybe I should re-solder some shit inside of it.

[None !CptFAlCOno No.1811948]

>>1811927
Yay triple post~

After a good slap to my monitor, changing the outlet it was plugged into and setting it's refresh rate to 60hz rather than 200hz has made the noise die down a LOT.

[Anonymous No.1812007]

>>1811740
last try, come on /crt/

[Anonymous No.1812079]

My main crt that I use for older games has a pincushion issue(middle of the screen is stretched outward more the brighter the contents of the screen). I can hear a faint chirping when it isn't turned on, so I think a capacitor might've died. Is there any hope for it, or should I start looking for a replacement?

[Anonymous No.1812245]

>>1796778

>dat old Tick Taco Bell toy

Fuckin Five star post.

[Anonymous No.1812318]

>>1807396
the late model trinitrons rebadged by dell, ibm and hp etc can do 130kHz horizontal, 170Hz vert, 230MHz bandwidth.

i used to have 2 of them on my desk for a few years

widescreen crt uses pretty much the same scan rates as 4:3 so scan rates are not a problem, but you need more bandwidth in order to cram in more pixels per line - if you don't have the quality analog parts to back it up (vid card/cable etc) then you gonna get horizontal blurring


i think somewhere around %30 of the bandwidth is consumed (wasted) on blanking and sync only so that takes a huge toll on your quality when you start dealing with very high numbers on your crt.

[Anonymous No.1812337]

What is the newest CRT you guys have ever seen?
I have one from December 2007.

[Anonymous No.1812395]

>>1811627
the S-Video was a typo, I think I was trying to type SDTV.

I have a Panasonic Tau for my CRT, it has component input. All the 4th and 5th gen consoles are hooked to it via S-Video. The gamecube (tried Viewtiful Joe) looked a little jagged on component on the SDTV but blurry on the HDTV. I think it was only running at 480i though.

[Anonymous No.1812402]

>>1811869
how old are PS2 and Gamecube gonna have to get before someone makes clone consoles designed to properly upscale them to high resolution digital output

hell, how long til we get that for the fucking Wii

[Anonymous No.1812413]

>>1812402
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xRGB+framemeister

[Anonymous No.1812448]

>>1812413
I think he means consoles that will render video in HD like you can do with some emulators.

Also, Framemeisters are overpriced as fuck for only being able to upscale and make fake looking scanlines. I'll stick with my nice Yamaha AV Receiver that I got for cheaper that can upscale 480i to look good as it can on a 1080p LCD, has multiple HDMI, Component, S-Video, and Composite inputs, and lets me also have 5.1 surround sound.

[Anonymous No.1812516]

>>1812448
>I think he means consoles that will render video in HD like you can do with some emulators.
Then never.
Because clone consoles, including those piece of shit retrons, are just big overpriced android boxes running your carts through a nigger-rigged emulator. N64 and onwards are too hard to emulate, ergo it'll be decades before it's viable to make affordable clones for them- at which point no one will give enough of a shit to do so.

Also the main focus of those xrgb scalers is 240p content; specifically, upscaling it at the lowest possible latency. 480i and deinterlacing, sure you can certainly get better results elsewhere. I personally use a mini for multiplayer stuff, and enjoy singleplayer games on my 14" BVM.

[Anonymous No.1812528]

>>1812402
Considering there's a grand total of 1 PS1 hardware clone console, I'd say never.

[Anonymous No.1812548]

>>1812528
i went on alibaba and found this lol
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/popular-design-cheap-play-station-with_1703706785.html?s=p

[Anonymous No.1812552]

>>1812548
>minimum order 500 sets

Time to open a mall kiosk I guess.

[Anonymous No.1812562]

>>1812548
clearly not a ps1 clone

judging from the images, i'm guessing it's just some arm machine running android, style after the scph-9000x ps2's

[Anonymous No.1812564]

>>1812548
>Support CP1/CP2/Acrade GBA/GBC/GB/ NEOGEO,built in 102 games ,and two games CD have 600 games inside.
Sounds like it's mostly a MAME machine.

[Anonymous No.1812573]

>>1812528

[Anonymous No.1812580]

>>1812562
i read the description anon, i just thought it was kind of funny

[Anonymous No.1812710]

>>1812007
fw900 had a couple of rebadged versions, i think HP made one at least.

they were professional monitors, they weren't intended for the average pc user being that they cost more than the average pc at the time.

im not immediately aware of any other wide desktop crts at all, you have to understand that in the era just prior to lcd's everywhere, the typical desktop crt was either 17 inch or 15 if you were on a budget. 19/21 inch crts were expensive so a big wide tube would be even more so.

[Anonymous No.1813520]

Which of these two monitors is better?
A PVM-14M2E or a BVM-14 M4DE? I've found some guy selling them for €60 each.
I've found this document online, but I'm still not sure which to choose. http://www.pmotions.com/Public/PDFs/SONY/Displ_00.pdf (pic related)

[Anonymous No.1813534]

>>1812395
Ah, okay. The SDTV was indeed playing it at 480i, as that's the highest resolution that kind of TV can go, hence the "SD". There are CRTs that can go up to 480p and above, but that's a whole can of worms right there. Nevermind finding one.

At this point you're better off just doing what -you- think looks best. Personally, I think 480i on a CRT with component looks way better than 480p upscaled to 1080p on an HDTV (And especially 480i upscaled to 1080p). Like I said, ideally your best solution for playing 7th generation games on an HDTV is emulation, since you can natively play these games at high resolutions and they play pretty well so long as you have the hardware for it. As far as real hardware goes, though, I would stick with playing them on a CRT. Especially the PS2.

[Anonymous No.1813557]

>>1813520
The BVM, obviously

[Anonymous No.1813558]

>>1813520
BVMs are usually better, but what you gotta ask yourself is
A) Does it have YPbPr?
B) Does it have RGB?
C) Do I agree with the price?
D) Can it do 480p?
Try to answer yes to at least two of those.

[Anonymous No.1813572]

>>1813520
The BVM is quite superior in resolution but it lacks manual degaussing, which comes in handy when some magnetic field fucked up your colors and you wanna make it normal instantly.
You need to let it cool down for 15-25 minutes to trigger the automatic degaussing, this applies to color TVs in general.

The other thing you have ask yourself is what kind of tube do you want as the resolution and the phosphors are the biggest difference.

[Anonymous No.1813594]

>>1813557
>>1813558
Tnx, next question;
They both have YPbPr input so being from Europe most of my consoles are SCART. I know that there are adapters for RGB SCART to BNC and that I need that. But does it need sync cleaner or not? So in other words; This cable http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc.html or this one http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors.html

>>1813572
The degaussing is one of the points which I am doubting. I already have a PVM 2130QM which is a bit fucked up because I put a speaker to close to it and I don't know how to degauss it.

[Anonymous No.1813621]

>>1813594
>which is a bit fucked up because I put a speaker to close to it and I don't know how to degauss it.
Then you might permabroke the tube (aperture grill bent) if the degaussing coil can't get it back to normal.
Do you hear a kinda high pitched noise when you cold start it?
And not if you turn it on right after being off for a few minutes?
Might be a possibility that the degaussing circuit is just faulty.

[Anonymous No.1813672]

>>1813621
It seemed to fixed itself. I didn't really payed a lot attention to it.
I think the aperture grill is bent as you can see in the picture (the top is a bit dented and the image is a bit shifted to the left).I know this isn't a pretty photo but it shows the shift. There is nothing I can do about that right?

[Anonymous No.1813750]

>>1813672
>the top is a bit dented
Looks quite normal to me. But i only dealt with consumer TVs.

>bit shifted to the left
Absolutely normal for SCART RGB. I made myself a external RGB shifter (displaces the picture horizontally) as i use composite for NES, so adjusting the TV will also adjust composite/S-Video sources.

But seriously, the purpose of the aperture grill/shadow mask is to 'mask' the electron beams so that they will strike the right colors. If they aren't spot on then you will see wrong colors at some spots.

What you complained about is the geometry which might be adjustable in some manner (service menu, trimmer pots or dials at the outside) and these related issues don't have much to do with the bare internals of the tube.

However do you only use RGB?
Then try to adjust H Cent, as you pic looks quite nasty with the black bar at the right.
However to correct your little dent at the top, i'm sure that you can't correct that without opening because the permanent magnets between the tube and the yoke are maybe misplaced.
But i could be wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.1813775]

Are flat screens better than curved screens?

[Anonymous No.1813801]

>>1813775
Not really. Most flat screened CRT's are of larger size and many have slimmer depths. Larger CRT's on average have more geometry problems than smaller screens, and the ultra slim sets where they place the electron guns as close to the screen as possible also have geometry problems. Flat screens have a reputation for geometry problems, but it's not because they're flat screened.

tldr; Flat vs Curved screens don't matter. Size and depth do.

[Anonymous No.1813817]

>>1813594
PVMs are shielded precisely so you can stack them with speakers or other monitors and not have distortion. Did you have its steel case off of it? Also, so far we haven't found a comprehensive guide to what PVMs accept Composite Sync and which don't so unfortunately you just have to find out for yourself. You should be able to use a Playstation or Gamecube plus US style YPbPr component cables that have composite too and some RCA to BNC couplers. I don't know how common YPbPr component cables are there though.

[Anonymous No.1813819]

>>1813750
That dent was worse, that also seems to be fixing itself for some reason.

>However do you only use RGB?
Most of them are, only a Xbox and Wii use component (that is why I was looking for a extra monitor)

>Then try to adjust H Cent
For that I have to open up the monitor and fiddle with some screws and I have no idea what to do. So I most likely end up electrocuting myself.

[Anonymous No.1813846]

>>1813594
Well, both of those seem to have a single sync input so I guess it must be composite sync. As far as I know, though, Sony monitors from 1992 onward have Sync on Green as well.

[Anonymous No.1813858]

>>1813817
It is one like in the picture, I think you mean that by steel case?
I fucked it up by moving the speaker in front of the monitor. And I'm using old Technics speakers that my dad used for his lp player. Tho I'm not sure if that makes any difference.
> US style YPbPr component cables that have composite too
I think that YPbPR cables are the same here, not sure tho. I also bought someRCA to BNC couplers from eBay when I just got the 2030 (which I am not using at the moment)

[Anonymous No.1813879]

>>1813846
So I have to get the one WITH the sync cleaner?

[Anonymous No.1813889]

>>1813858
>>1813879
You can find out by using the YPbPr cables while your console is set to RGB. Hook them up to the corresponding colors and the yellow cable to Sync. If it works, the monitor accepts CSync and you don't need an lm1881

[Anonymous No.1813912]

>>1813889
Thanks, I will try that when and if I get that monitor.

[Anonymous No.1813937]

>>1813819
>That dent was worse, that also seems to be fixing itself for some reason.
Yeah, think about it. These monitors were intended for longtime use, so it was likely calibrated when it was warm (on for >1h) so it would be correct in the end.

>For that I have to open up the monitor and fiddle with some screws and I have no idea what to do. So I most likely end up electrocuting myself.
Well if you want to gather some balls then look up 'CRT safety measures' on google and look at the service manual, it's not really that complicated.

First place the CRT on clean table, place a (big) mirror in a way that you can see the entire screen while you standing behind the CRT.
Just open the thing and carefully adjust the trimmer while looking at a mirror.

That's how i would do it, and i did once touched the connection points of the deflection coils (around 60VAC i guess) while twisting the convergence rings on my TV.
My finger was just numb for 5 minutes and it was rather painless compared to a heatsink of an shitty LCD TV, for some reason it happened to me after a hour when a well experienced coworker got shocked and i didn't saw what he touched. Don't ask me why i did it. I simply didn't expected any kind of voltage on that piece of metal.

[Anonymous No.1813943]

>>1813801
i've always found flat crts blur more around the edges, which i imagine is because the screen isn't tangent with the electron beam there

isn't that the point in having a curved screen in the first place? to ensure the beam hits a consistantly 'flat' area?

could also be due to loss of focus around the edges, since a flat screen would mean the center and edges of the screen are slightly different distances from the gun

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1813991]

>>1813817
>PVMs are shielded precisely so you can stack them with speakers or other monitors and not have distortion.
I'm sure they'd play fine with newer shielded speakers, but I have to position my left KG4 just right to not cause discoloration on the 20M2MDU.

[Anonymous No.1814032]

>>1813943
Even with a curved screen, the distance between the gun and the center of the screen vs the edges is different. I think it has everything to do with the angle the beam hits the screen at.

[Anonymous No.1814121]

>>1813937
There is no way that I am opening it up. It doesn't bother me that much.
I also asked some guys at a repair shop which specializes in old electronics to recalibrate my monitor but they wouldn't do it for some reason.

[Anonymous No.1814230]

why do you guys never post your scanline porn anymore?

[Anonymous No.1814248]

>>1814230
Like this?

[Anonymous No.1814348]

>>1810204
Between £10~35.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1814357]

>Been passing up an old PC CRT in my alleyway for weeks now
>finally decide to go and check it out
>Dell Trinitron
>"Eh, it's been saturated with water repeatedly. I guess I could at least use the cable for something"
>already been cut
Shit

Was a Dell P991.

>>1814230
New room setup only makes photo taking viable at night, and if the above green text didn't show it already, I'm lazy. I still have folders of photos from months ago that need going through.

[Anonymous No.1814395]

>>1810424
>>1810453
>>1810476
>>1810493
>>1810494
When they say CRT projectors, do they really mean Cathode Ray Tube projectors? Are there tubes inside that emit electrons on a phosphorous screen, that then emit photons used in a projection scheme across thin air?

>>1812318
Thank you. How's the color reproduction on those rebadged trinitrons?

[Anonymous No.1814446]

[Anonymous No.1814457]

[Anonymous No.1814483]

[Anonymous No.1814497]

>>1814395
Holy shit. After reading a little more, it looks like the CRT projectors have the added advantage of not having to sacrifice screen space to multiple phosphor masks on one screen, so it can have three CRT tubes with one phosphor plane to itself. I'd imagine this enables a higher range of possible resolutions with a more sharper dot pitch. Is this true? Also, how's the color reproduction on them as well? I see that some just use a single projector tube with a color wheel to filter colors, and others have just R, G, or B phosphors on one of three tubes and focuses the three pictures together on your display tarp/screen to make a full RGB projection.

[Anonymous No.1814628]

[Anonymous No.1814635]

>>1814628
FFT:A2 for the DS?

May I ask how you're getting that on your tv? Emulated on something?

[Anonymous No.1814664]

Sup, /crt/.

Look at all these CRTs we packed up at work.

It seems such a waste to throw all seven of them away, oh well.

Have a nice day, gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.1814671]

What's the point of having a CRT? Everything looks better on my HDTV compared to my CRT. My HDTV also has no input lag. I got it for free because my boss gave me a gift card to Best Buy so there was no problem in it. The blue colors look a little bit darker, but I got used to it. Here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-32LD350-32-Inch-1080i-Model/dp/B0039RNGNY

[Anonymous No.1814676]

>>1814664
Do they have S-Video? If not then throw them away right now as fast as you can.

[Anonymous No.1814681]

mfw my shity laptop cant do 240p resolution.

[Anonymous No.1814685]

I got a 30XBR910 today!

Anyone got good convergence images? Google doesn't bring up the right ones and any literature I see referring to ones doesn't bring up stuff on google either.

[Anonymous No.1814689]

>>1814676

They do, except for a tiny little one at the bottom.

[Anonymous No.1814704]

>>1814635

Using RetroArch with a very recent build of the Desmume libretro core that lets you full screen a single DS screen and swap between the two with R3.

Display is a Dell CRT monitor recieving 3840x480 resolution and using a shader chain with slight blur and color adjustment (https://github.com/libretro/common-shaders/blob/master/cgp/tvout-interlacing.cgp).). The color intensity of the CRT is cranked up to max to make the image very bright and the scanlines bloom a bit.

[Anonymous No.1814707]

>>1793030
16:10 is indeed the best, but only for non-retro stuff and anything else that isn't 4:3 optimized. 16:10 has horizontal resolution than comparable 4:3 displays and more vertical resolution than 16:9 displays.

But for retro stuff (and anything else that's 4:3 optimized), than 4:3 is the definite way to go.

16:9 sucks BTW. I was pissed when I found out I couldn't get a 1920x1200 16:10 screen on a new laptop anymore; I had to settle for a 1920x1080 16:9 screen, and the reduced vertical resolution is somewhat annoying when going through source code or writing music using most chiptune trackers.

[Anonymous No.1814715]

>>1809169
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.1814739]

>>1814681
Just how old IS your laptop?! 240p resolution has been around for over 20 years; does that thing really use CGA graphics?

[Anonymous No.1814770]

>>1814707
Aspect ratio is very purpose-specific. At least with CRTs with high horizontal scan rates you can emulate a good resolution of a different aspect ratio that you need on a tube of a different aspect ratio. And henceforth the only necessary thing on a CRT is the size of the display.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1814801]

>>1814685
240p test suite is nice if you have a way to output it to the TV
(be it flash cart, Wii emulator, or burnt CD with a Dreamcast)

[Anonymous No.1814814]

>>1814739
My graffix card wont support resolutions lower than 640x480. I want dem scanlines.

[Anonymous No.1814818]

>>1814814
What graphics card do you have? Are you sure that you can't select custom resolutions from the GFX card's Control Panel?

[Anonymous No.1814842]

>>1814671
There is no point of CRT tv's. Everyone here is just a nostalgiafag.

[Anonymous No.1814859]

>>1814818
hp with hd 3000. I have tried custom resolutions but they dont work.

[Anonymous No.1814898]

>>1814842
try playing a 60fps 240p game on a lcd dude. Fucking unplayable with half the frames removed and lad out the ass.

[Anonymous No.1814915]

>>1814898
lag*

[Anonymous No.1814930]

>>1814898
>replying to trolls

[Anonymous No.1814975]

>>1814859
What OS do you have? Linux is the most customizable in this regard. But what happens when you implement a custom resolution in the control panel? Any pics?

[Anonymous No.1814990]

>>1814859
https://communities.intel.com/thread/25987

Apparently if your vendor has custom intel hd graphics drivers, you should try those, even if they're behind. Also, try restarting the PC after setting the custom resolution.

[Anonymous No.1814995]

>>1814975
win 7. any resolution lower than 480p looks blurry/interlaced? or something.

[Anonymous No.1815013]

>>1814995
If it's blurry it's probably the case that your monitor is upscaling the signal to fill the display. Are you testing on an LCD or on an actual CRT?

[Anonymous No.1815059]

>>1815013
crt. im going to fuck around with powerstip to see what I can get.

[Anonymous No.1815065]

>>1815059
Is the CRT a typical computer monitor or a 15kHz horizontal scan rate 4:3 television?

[Anonymous No.1815091]

>>1815065
its a monitor that does 15kHz.

[Anonymous No.1815118]

>>1815091
If it's a monitor it probably supports more vertical lines than a TV, and thus it probably has to scale the vertical lines to what the monitor supports. Thus if the 240p vertical lines are not easily divisible by the monitor's vertical lines you're going to have a blur effect if it scales it to use the entire display. The horizontal lines are all analog though, and it's up to the signal to define how many pixels to display in a line. So when it's blurry, is it just the vertical resolution that's blurry?

In any case if you want to emulate 240p content, you should probably just pick up a normal television with RGB inputs and convert the VGA signal to RGB.

[Anonymous No.1815174]

So I'm trying to run my Dell with a pentium 4. with an HD Radeon 2400 through s-video to my Zenith.
I'm this guy >>1796778

So it works sorta, but it's blurry and such, I was wondering what you guys recommended. Mainly what resolution should I set it to for my Zenith there?

[Anonymous No.1815202]

>>1814685
Alright, I've done some work and I can't get the upper right corner (and the right side in general, but especially the upper right corner) to be in focus. The convergence seems alright, but it's just blurry as fuck compared to the rest. Changing things in the service menu didn't help... should I open it up and look for a magnet on the tube or maybe the focus board is fucked? It seemed like some of the focus controls pertaining to the upper right corner didn't work at all.

[Anonymous No.1815231]

>>1815174
Can't quite make out the specific model of the Zenith. It looks like some crappy image filter was set on your phone, but then again I guess that could be your exposure setting to get the CRT to display correctly.

Anyways, what's the model?

If it's a common TV it probably supports NTSC specification for vertical lines or PAL or otherwise in other countries. You should try outputting the resolution in 240p or 480i (depending on your content) for NTSC compatibility.

[Anonymous No.1815236]

>>1815231
Yeah it's about a 22 or 24 inch model.
The number on the back says it's a se5237w but google doesn't give me any relevant results.

[Anonymous No.1815239]

>>1815231
Oh but it is an Advanced System 3 Stereo Receiver Monitor from what the front says.

And yeah the phone on my camera is just crap.

[Anonymous No.1815246]

>>1815236
>>1815239
Here are the back inputs.

[Anonymous No.1815247]

>>1815246
Jesus Christ I didn't even know S-Video existed in 1989. My family was lucky to have a TV that had composite inputs by the late 90s.

[Anonymous No.1815259]

>>1815247
I know! I was lucky I found this thing. It was at a thrift store nearby, they always have CRTs I almost didn't see this one, but I spotted the woodgrain from across the store when I was on my way out and went back to check it out. I'm a sucker for old Zenith stuff. I've got a big 32" console in the other room that my son uses for dvds and vhs tapes.

I'm picking up a 15" sony pvm to go underneath there. The saumsung I have is really screwed up. I'd like to fix it, but I don't know where to start. I'll post a pic of it messing up and see what you guys say.

[Anonymous No.1815262]

>>1815247
Maybe the S-Video jack is shit in early models, hence the blur?

>>1815259
Either try the appropriate resolutions for common TVs in '80s/'90s or try another input (RGB if possible with VGA->RGB adapter).

[Anonymous No.1815272]

>>1815262
Fair enough, the s-video probably isn't very good quality. I also have tried running it through an s-video-->coaxial box and using it that way. The colors are a little nicer through that.

[Anonymous No.1815294]

>>1815202
Also it seems like the video is off focus mostly horizontally and not vertically.

[Anonymous No.1815305]

Here's my samsung messing up.

[Anonymous No.1815332]

So I found myself a heavily shielded and high quality (via separate coaxial components) RGBHV cable (from Japan) at a thrift store. What type of CRTs accept that signal? I know I can basically convert a VGA signal to an RGBHV signal without any loss, but what would natively take in an RGBHV signal? Trinitrons? Arcade tubes? Looking for something that can do native 240p and 480i content well with high color reproduction (I care less about physical dimensions of the screen). Bonus points if it has a higher multiple order of vertical lines and resolution support than just 240p and 480i (yet still able to render the lower resolutions without quality loss).

[Anonymous No.1815359]

>>1815305
umm... thats freakin spooky...

[Anonymous No.1815387]

>>1815332
Pic of cable.

[Anonymous No.1815395]

>>1815305

[Anonymous No.1815396]

>>1815332
>I know I can basically convert a VGA signal to an RGBHV signal without any loss
There is no "conversion," it's the same signal.

>what would natively take in an RGBHV signal?
Plenty of pro monitors and some cojmputer monitors.

[Anonymous No.1815405]

>>1815305
Jesus fucking christ man you need an exorcist not tech support

[Anonymous No.1815408]

>>1815396
>There is no "conversion"
My bad. I mean pass-through.

Still though, anything that can do 240p and 480i well?

[Anonymous No.1815473]

>>1815408
for all intensive purposes, it's basically VGA

[Anonymous No.1815493]

>>1815473
So then any monitors out there (through VGA or the glorified RGBHV coaxial monster) that can handle 240p and 480i well...?

[Anonymous No.1815502]

>>1815493
Yes. In fact, one of my friends nabbed a 21'' Diamondtron off the side of the road that took that connector. Not only did it do up to 1600x1200 at 85hz, it went all the way down to 240p. The video signal was messed up from water damage, but it would have been amazing.

[Anonymous No.1815529]

>>1815473

INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU MOTHER F- wait, is this bait?

[Anonymous No.1815535]

>>1815529
huehuehuehue

[Anonymous No.1815538]

I'm a complete outsider to these threads, but I'm fucking curious.
I see every thread filled with people showing 100x zoom shots of their screens, what is this supposed to prove? can you really tell how good a CRT is by looking at these pictures? how? They all look the same to me.

[Anonymous No.1815554]

>>1815538
It's all about that balance between smooth and sharp, the right kind of scanlines, and overall color/contrast. It's a videophile thing.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1815571]

>>1815538
>100x zoom
I'm just posting at the full resolution that my camera takes photos at; Completely unedited. Most of the photos I try to go for full screen shot, unless I'm trying to get a certain part of the screen in focus, like the SMRPG shot above and a significant portion of my Super Metroid shots.


>what is this supposed to prove? can you really tell how good a CRT is by looking at these pictures
Cameras really aren't capable of showing how nice a CRT looks in person, but it can give you a good idea.

[Anonymous No.1815575]

>>1815535

Oh you, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1815614]

>>1815538
there's no way to accurately capture how nice an image on a crt looks with a photo

but you can show how the scanlines look, so sometimes we take pictures close up just to show that, rather than trying to show the whole image (most here are well aware of how nice crt's look overall)

[Anonymous No.1815658]

>>1815502
Apparently Diamondtron is just a technology that monitors implement, but that's good enough to seed a hunt for a suitable display. Thanks.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1815664]

>>1815658
>Diamondtron is just a technology that monitors implement
It was essentially a brand name for a line of monitors that popped up after Sony's patent on the aperture grille design ran out.

I believe some of Samsung's SyncMaster crts also accepted BNC for RGBHV. Not really sure where you'd be able to make use of the cable, considering the other end seems to be RCA. Maybe running from an RCA based switch to a PVM or similar; Would actually be nice to not have to have the little adapters attached.

[Anonymous No.1815693]

>>1815664
The RCA plugs are simply adapters for the coaxial cables that can be removed. Luckily all of them for one end of the BNC cable came with it regardless of finding it in a thrift store.

Do you know if the Samsung series has good quality picture at 240p/480i?

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1815759]

>>1815693
SyncMasters were PC CRTs, and as such 480p+ territory; Outside of 120hz 240p at least.

>BNC to BNC
Would be nice for chaining two PVMs together.

[Anonymous No.1815884]

What kind of color temperature do you guys find suits retro content? Games first, then other things like anime or films.

[Anonymous No.1815894]

>>1815884

6500k is the way to go. It's the way you'll have the most natural-looking colors.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1815904]

>>1815884
6500k is the standard and what most people suggest.

Personally, I prefer 9300k; What can I say, I like my blues extra blue and my whites extra white.

[Anonymous No.1815912]

>>1815894
For games though: Are natural colors desired on something that was unnaturally fabricated?

Officially I think if you're in an environment with lots of fluorescent lights like in an office you may want a different color temperature.

I think I would prefer gaming in as dark a room as possible, so that I can experience as much contrast and as deep black levels as possible, and the colors would be more vibrant. Would the 'natural' 6500k temperature suit me in that scenario?

[Anonymous No.1816075]

>>1815884
>>1815912
Color temp settings should match ambient lighting. It's best to use 6500K unless you need to match unnaturally bright (or blue) conditions like a showroom or industrial setting with lots of artificial white lighting.

Look around your gaming area. Are you playing in the dark or soft yellow light, or harsh white/blue light? You can pick a color temp to match that, so that your whites look natural.

>>1815904
>whites extra white
Since color temp changes white point, neither end of the spectrum should be called "extra white." Instead you could say you like your whites extra blue instead of extra red.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1816080]

>>1816075
That would be more technically correct, but I was speaking based on what my personal opinion of white should be.

6500k just leaves everything look so yellow, even after giving my eyes time to adjust.

[Anonymous No.1816083]

>>1815664
Pretty much any high-end computer monitor accepts BNC.
Panasonic has some nice, small, high-quality computer monitors with BNC RGBHV in. They also accept RGB with SoG and RGBC.
A little warning to all those who want to use BNC RGBHV though, adapting it to or from VGA or other similar display interfaces is not as easy as you might think.
Pretty much all display interfaces have data besides the actual image data travel in the cable too, and that data may be required for proper operation. This data may include things like supported resolutions and aspect ratio.

[Anonymous No.1816097]

>>1816080
Well you can have that opinion and I'm not really judging you on it, but it's simply not descriptively useful to say "extra white" to mean what is actually "extra blue."

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1816102]

>>1816097
That comment was supposed to be a clarification/agreement of that. Sorry if it didn't come off as such.

[Anonymous No.1816105]

>>1816080
>6500k just leaves everything look so yellow
The Sun is yellow, hence the 'naturalness'. If we had a Sun with a color temperature of 93000K (like young stars) we would all look paler than we do, even if our whites would be 'whiter'.

>>1816083
>Pretty much all display interfaces have data besides the actual image data travel in the cable too, and that data may be required for proper operation. This data may include things like supported resolutions and aspect ratio.
Well for this meta data that travels on a different (I'll call it a) channel (aka frequency of operation) on the same copper wire, you don't have to do anything special to a VGA<->BNC adapter as long as transferring from one cable type to another preserves the spectrum information (all the channels) carried by the signal. The only time interference with meta data would come into play is when you have a mediating device that strips the signal of all information except for the part of the spectrum that contains optical signal data.

[KyaDash !kDashing02 No.1816109]

>>1816105
I know and understand the reasoning behind it; Like I said, it's just my personal opinion and not everyone shares it.

[Anonymous No.1816121]

>>1816105
>the only time...is when you have a mediating device that strips the signal of all information except...optical signal data
I am going to revise this to say that if the monitor outputs meta information about its capabilities to the computer via its VGA-in port, but not via a BNC-in port because it doesn't expect a computer on the other end of the BNC connection unlike with VGA, then you have a valid point. But computers have video cards that can output to TV-centric connections like composite and S-Video, and they work just fine. I'd estimate (not ever having connected a computer to a Television via a dumb signal port) that the computer would have difficulty assessing what type of display you had when you plug it in, but regardless you should be able to coax the Operating System to output to whatever video mode you want (albeit you have to be extra careful when you have this control as you could set a refresh rate not compatible with the display and whatnot).

[Anonymous No.1816145]

>>1816121
I actually have limited knowledge on the meta data that travels through a VGA cable (or otherwise) to the monitor, but having thought a little bit more about it, I don't think it's possible to transmit a signal at the same time one is being received with electronics because of the polar flow of data towards one direction. So I'm probably wrong.

But I'd estimate that perhaps when the computer is initially identifying a display it has a protocol in place to listen via its display connection until it receives a signal from a connected monitor, and the computer might send data to the monitor asking for its capabilities, then the monitor may send that over the video cable, and finally after the computer receives the information it will transmit an appropriate signal.

If I was creating the interfaces between computer and display I would make sure to use an appropriate networking handshake to make sure it was okay to transmit data instead of blindly sending something forward that might harm the display.

[Anonymous No.1816161]

Is there a way to identify a aperture grille just by looking at it?

[Anonymous No.1816164]

>>1814685
>HD CRT
For what purpose?

[Anonymous No.1816172]

>>1816145
>the computer might send data to the monitor asking for its capabilities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel
VGA has special pins for this, as do most other display interfaces. There's also some display interfaces which require certain pins to be shorted to indicate what kind of monitor is connected, if any. SCART for example requires specific voltage input to certain pins for detecting the proper aspect ratio.
Since special pins are used for this data, just sending RGBHV to the monitor will not include this data. This can cause, among other things, problems such as the display not turning on at all due to not knowing there's a display there.
Alternatively the image source could also expect data back, so the source may try to output wrong kind of image signal to the monitor, causing all kinds of problems, or it may not acknowledge there being a monitor in the first place.
TL;DR RGBHV BNC is just image signal. Some devices expect more, so not everything is compatible with it.

[Anonymous No.1816183]

>>1816172
So it's a matter of using the extra pins in the D-subminiature. How does display detection work for graphics cards that can output 'dumb' video signals like Composite or S-Video?

Also, couldn't you get or make a device which could connect to the miscellaneous pins on the D-sub and send fake meta data when you want to interface with your 'dumb' BNC display?

[Anonymous No.1816201]

How high of a resolution can 'Cromaclear' CRTs get compared to aperature grille?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromaclear

[Anonymous No.1816203]

>>1816183
>How does display detection work for graphics cards that can output 'dumb' video signals like Composite or S-Video?
It doesn't most of the time. Some GPU can detect if there's a cable connected, but that's a very rare feature, and not all that useful.
If you've ever tried to connect a computer to a TV via composite, then you know exactly how much of a pain in the ass it is.
>couldn't you get or make a device which could connect to the miscellaneous pins on the D-sub and send fake meta data when you want to interface with your 'dumb' BNC display?
EDID emulators are a thing. They're also ridiculously expensive more often than not.

[Anonymous No.1816209]

>>1816201
Speaking of needing to implement clever mechanisms for the allowance of different colored phosphors in televisions: Would it be possible to produce a 4K+ B/W CRT with a solid plane of white phosphor instead of slotted and space-consuming sub-pixel phosphors?

Can electrons have a good enough pitch with modern technology to produce ultra high resolutions on B/W CRTs if given the chance? Also, a video signal would require less bandwidth to implement a B/W picture, which would also mean less memory and process requirement for games to render in B/W so you could maybe get away with 4K gaming at 60+Hz for the colorblind on optimized titles?

[Anonymous No.1816224]

>>1816209
i used to have a 4" b/w tv which i played ps1 and sometimes ps2 on, the picture was very sharp

i see no reason why you can't display whatever resolution you like onto b/w crt's, given suitable circuitry to drive it

[Anonymous No.1816231]

>>1816209
oh yea, as for optimization

the only thing you're likely to get is using 8bit per pixel instead of 24 for the framebuffer, not a significant difference nowadays

having b/w textures would be much more significant difference, mind

[Anonymous No.1816242]

>>1816231
Yes, that's what I'm implying. The textures may be stored as RGB textures of 32 bit or higher on the hard drive or whatnot, but then as games dynamically load resources into memory it can start a 'conversion' process to store the textures in an 8-bit (16-bit for alpha) B/W format in main memory when colorblind mode is enabled.

CAPTCHA: the assrun

[Anonymous No.1816243]

>>1816242
mm, obviously textures would need to be converted, so it would be a tradeoff of more cpu time (when loading in textures) for reduced video ram usage

i don't know what kind of difference it would make overall

but i'm not sure this would really be worth it, i mean, how many people are fully colorblind? most 'colorblind' people can still see color to some degree

[Anonymous No.1816250]

>>1816243
oh yea, in some cases it won't make any difference

for example, it's common the psp to use 8bit palleted color + 8bit alpha as it is, so 8bit greyscale would save no resources (only appear smoother due to not wasting potential shades of grey on alternate hues)

[Anonymous No.1816312]

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101554
>$45,000 for an HD reference CRT

...
Yes, but can it run Crysis?

[Anonymous No.1816432]

been tweaking some modelines so i have a small and even amount of overscan on various resolutions

i bumped the scart cable to my tv just now, and the sync pin seems to be just barely connecting, even the slightest movement to the desk or even the tv causes it to lose sync for a moment

i thought it was kinda funny, so i took a video of it

[Anonymous No.1816434]

>>1816432
Trim your nails, jesus.

[Anonymous No.1816438]

>>1816434
i'm not jesus, but i will trim my nails

[Anonymous No.1816441]

>>1816432
Jesus Christ your fingernails! I'd like to believe you're a woman with slightly thick hands but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.1816445]

>>1816441
i'd like to believe it, too, but no. sorry.

[Anonymous No.1816449]

>Muh XBR
Thing is fucking huge. 24" LCD for scale.

>No /vr/ yet because I spent all last night trying to get the right side in focus and haven't bothered setting up 240p or any of that stuff

[Anonymous No.1816456]

>>1816445
Well if you're a faggot then that's okay I guess. There used to be this little faggot that was a cashier at Big Bear. 50s, crazy tan, bleached blonde hair, tons of jewelry and the most tastefully manicured fingernails I'd ever seen. Not some adolescent dumbfuck in a dress trying to hide his jawline behind an auburn wig making everyone uncomfortable exercising "muh rights" in the women's rest room but a fully realized, mature, confident faggot. That's how I like my queers.

[Anonymous No.1816471]

>>1816449
How are those for 240p? I've heard mixed reviews on /vr/CRT

[Anonymous No.1816486]

>>1816471

HD CRTs aren't really good for retro vidya but are great for 6th Generation and onwards content.

[Anonymous No.1816496]

>>1816471
It's an HDCRT set up for progressive scan digital inputs so in all likelihood, analog interlaced SD signals will be upconverted and suffer the same drawbacks as on other HDTVs, minus motion blur. The only CRTs you can rely on to do HD and SD well are pro monitors that advertise a number of "lines" equivalent to double the progressive scan resolution you're after. Usually something like "1440 lines" which will let it do 720p and 1080i if it supports a high enough frequency. I've never seen one that has enough "lines" to do 1080p and also syncs down low enough to do 240p at 15khz but such a wizard probably does exist somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1816506]

>>1816456
i'm not sure how fingernail length correlates with sexual orientation

i just haven't bothered cutting them (i tend to cut them when they start to get in the way of typing)

[Anonymous No.1816562]

how low in lines can a 15khz tv go?

i'm wondering if i can do fullscreen gb/gbc (without resorting to software scaling)

pic is centered at 256x224 (which still makes a ~13" image)

[Anonymous No.1816589]

>>1816506
You said you wished you were a woman.

[Anonymous No.1816595]

>>1816589
you wouldn't want to be a lesbian?

this is a bit off topic as well...

[Anonymous No.1816608]

>>1816562
Game Boys have a hard, digital resolution since they were built to use their integrated display with a matching hard resolution. When you use a game boy player or even emulate, you're interpolating. For full screen game boy you'd get best results from a fixed resolution display that is as close to a multiple of the Game Boy's native resolution - Although KyaDash posts pictures of GBC/A via Wii on his PVM and it looks more or less like S/NES graphics.

[Anonymous No.1816637]

>>1816608
i'm not using interpolation

though i do understand that gb/c/a games were made for lcd's, they still use nes/snes-like graphics, and benifit just the same from being run on a crt

pic related, what's being displayed on the tv, a centered, 1:1 image

[Anonymous No.1816681]

>>1816637
Well, there is no such thing as 144p. Your best display option would be emulating on a PC CRT that supports 1800x1440.

[Anonymous No.1816705]

Does anyone know anything about this monitor?
Is it worth saving?

[Anonymous No.1816727]

>>1816681
too low?

anyway, 256x224 turns out to be perfect for gba use, with my tv's particular amount of overscan

[Anonymous No.1816740]

>>1816727
oh, i should ask, is GBA allowed here? sticky says '99 and under, gba came out in '01 (but it's a handheld... sticky doesn't mention them)

[Anonymous No.1816747]

>>1816740
We're generally pretty lax about it in this thread, partially because 6th Gen consoles look best on CRT's. As long as it has to do with CRT TV's or monitors and the thread doesn't get dominated by non-/vr/ systems, it should be fine.

[Anonymous No.1816759]

>>1816747
alright, just trying to get a feel for things

[Anonymous No.1816787]

>>1816312
That's not a CRT, that's an LCoS RP monitor.

[Anonymous No.1816796]

>>1816496
TV lines don't count vertical resolution (480, 720, 1080), they are a form of measuring effective horizontal resolution capability. You don't count TV lines and try to match them up with the 1080 in 1080p. If you really wanted to do that you'd be trying to compare it to 1920.

[Anonymous No.1816815]

>>1816705
Maybe post the model number. Should be written on the back. Otherwise, its a black dell 4:3 CRT monitor, maybe 17-19 inches

[Anonymous No.1816836]

>>1816705
I remember dismantling hundreds of them when I worked for a recycling company.
Poorly built, cheap plastic, tinfoil shielding, motherboard and tube variations.
2/10 would not play with.

[Anonymous No.1816859]

>>1814898
I'm >>1814671 and I don't ever get lag on my tv. Retro games and modern games all play at 60 fps. My PlayStation is the only one that has composite and it's never gotten lag. There's no input lag at all. The rest of my consoles have modded component ports.

[Anonymous No.1816862]

>>1814348
Ok thanks, I can only see them for about £45 with shipping now, but I'll keep looking. If you ever want to sell one.

[Anonymous No.1816867]

>>1816836
And yet none of that pertains to image quality.

>>1816705
It's a common-ass black Dell, so mid-2000s. No better and no worse than any other common CRT monitor from that time. If it's a licensed Trinitron, then at least you know that much about it.

[Anonymous No.1816872]

Does anyone have experience with 240p singals into a XBR800? There is one I'm tempted to pick up but I don't know if it handles SD well or not.

[Anonymous No.1816878]

>>1816859
>I don't ever get lag on my tv. Retro games and modern games all play at 60 fps.
Those are two different kinds of lag. You may be talking about stuttering frame rate, whereas input lag is a consistent, constant delay that applies to everything.

You are experiencing the latter and you don't know it. Most people don't.

[Anonymous No.1816884]

>>1816878
It's only 17 ms that I'm missing, I got used to it by now so I guess that's what happened. I still have never gotten input lag in my Playstation, right when I press the button something happens. It doesn't come a second later.

[Anonymous No.1816893]

>>1816884
These guys will argue about input lag. I'll argue about the fact that LCD only has one resolution and makes 240 look terrible. CRTs have a variable resolution and can natively display nearly any resolution you want.

[Anonymous No.1816898]

>>1816859

There is still lag, and on top of this you have shitty colors, shitty contrasts, shitty rendering, and shitty motion. And you'll also catch eye cancer for watching displays too bright. It has nothing to do with the fact that it can display a video at 60FPS, it has to do with the fact that TFT panels have:
- shit colors compared to the standards
- bad contrasts and shitty black that looks more like gray
- slow as fuck response time
- no way to display 240p resolutions correctly
- neons that are too fucking bright and that cause more damage to your eyes in the long run than a CRT could ever do
Also it's a sample & hold display, which is unnatural compared to flicker displays, resulting in animations that are less smooth than on CRTs.

If we still use CRT, it's because it has many advantages, not
>90s Nostalgia xD
like some people like to say. Nostalgia might be the worst reason to do anything.

[Anonymous No.1816905]

>>1816898
>90s Nostalgia xD
>implying any of us had RGB monitors in the 90s
If I wanted nostalgia I'd play through RF or composite only to get that nostalgic bad picture.
I wouldn't dish out a ton of dosh on RGB monitors and scart cables.

[Anonymous No.1816910]

>>1816893
Would it be fixed by putting component onto it?

>>1816898
I fixed my tv's settings so that all of that would be gone. The colors look exactly the same as my CRT. The response time has never been noticed by me. 240p is working through AV right now as we speak. I like bright things.

[Anonymous No.1816914]

>>1816905
But s-video is the only natural way to go when it comes to retro consoles...

[Anonymous No.1816915]

>>1816910
No. No cable changes the resolution the game is rendered at.
if the console doesn't output the resolution then you can't do it.
If I mod HDMI into my N64 doesn't mean I have 1080p graphics. That's absolute bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1816917]

>>1816910
You have no clue.

[Anonymous No.1816919]

>>1816914
Implying me or anyone I knew used svideo back in the day.
We used whatever cables came with the console.

[Anonymous No.1816920]

I bought a DVD recorder that has SCART input and component outputs, but it doesnt do 60hz so I can only play my PAL consoles in RGB.

I also found a 40" 4:3 480p plasma monitor with scart and BNC connectors, it is cheap and i just want to get it to see if it is any better than newer plasmas/lcd's

[Anonymous No.1816929]

>>1816919
Not him, but I bought the official S-video cable for my SNES within days of getting one as a Christmas present.

[Anonymous No.1816930]

>>1816898

Also, I'm joking for the eye cancer thing, but it's still pretty bad for your eyes even if you don't think it is.

>>1816905

Yup that's why I say we don't use them for that reason. Also, I had an RGB capable sony trinitron (thanks SCART).

>>1816914

Nope, many consoles came with RGB cables depending on the country. S-Video is a bastardized signal.

>>1816910

Nop, you can't have the exact same picture as on a good CRT. LCDs can't have a good black level, the contrasts are pale compared to the ones in a well calibrated CRT. Yeah, you might have colors that are close, but the ones on a CRT are simply better. Saying that your LCD look exactly like you old TV mean that you're using composite/RF on that old TV, thus that the picture is flawed due to the video signal you feed it. On RGB the picture is alway better than the one on an LCD.

[Anonymous No.1816932]

>>1816917
>>1816915
I do have no clue, that's why I asked this all in the first place. There is a small trick I did to make everything 480p. It's only worked with Nintendo consoles so far though. I opened up my Wii and all my other Nintendo consoles and then directly wired it so that if I put in a game into the retro console it will open up an emulator or use virtual console automatically. Only bad thing is that every console has different wires so I have to rewire them each and every time. It's a hassle but it works.

[Anonymous No.1816938]

>>1816932

[Anonymous No.1816945]

>>1816932
But that doesn't change the damn code in the game that says render at this resolution. You can't change it.

[Anonymous No.1816947]

>>1816930
I use S-Video and RGB for my crt, but eventually just put it in the basement when I noticed that it was exactly the same as my HDTV.

[Anonymous No.1816950]

>>1816945
It's been working though, I don't know how. I just saw this one article a long time ago and it showed me how to do it. Also it just opens a rom/wad when I put in the game, it just tells what game it is then looks in my sd card for the rom/wad. It's not like it's directly ripping it. I could just open a wad or rom by itself on the wii, but I really want my other consoles to not be doing nothing while I play them all in hd.

[Anonymous No.1816951]

>>1816945

It's a troll, what he say doesn't make sense at all.

[Anonymous No.1816958]

>>1816951
It could also be a retard from /r/emulation.

[Anonymous No.1816959]

>>1816951
I'm not trolling, it works.

[Anonymous No.1816962]

>>1816958
It's TECHNICALLY emulation, but it keeps the glory of putting the game in the con- I'm a fucking retard. I could have just put the game in my console, turn it on then leave it and then play 1080p on my fucking pc.

[Anonymous No.1816976]

>>1816962

[Anonymous No.1816998]

>>1816976
Woah it looks nothing like that. That looks way too dark and blurry compared to my HDTV.

[Anonymous No.1817008]

>>1816998

:^)

[Anonymous No.1817020]

>>1817008
I meant the characters... Also that's just turning up the brightness, not making things less blurry.

[Anonymous No.1817046]

>>1817020

Yeah yeah okay. Also, how is the aspect ratio? Better than on CRT I bet. :^)

[Anonymous No.1817047]

>>1816910
>>1816930
i wonder if can tell which type of displays these are

[Anonymous No.1817068]

>>1817047
First is HD, second is crt. Easy.

>>1817046
Mine looks nothing like that. It looks crystal clear and all of the grey on that picture would look black on it. Also the aspect ratio is the same as my crt.

[Anonymous No.1817072]

>>1817069
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NEW THREAD

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[Anonymous No.1817106]

>>1816910
>I like bright things.

[Anonymous No.1817118]

>>1817106
Those look exactly the same almost, just a small difference in color. It's not worth picking up my heavy ass crt up the basement to get a slight color difference.

[Anonymous No.1817128]

>>1817118
>Those look exactly the same almost

[Anonymous No.1817136]

>>1817128
English is my 9th language. My dad works at nintendo. Literally everything I said was bullshit. Took you a while to notice.