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Hey guys.
I just started playing Half-Life via steam, and I noticed Freeman runs like Usain Bolt and leaps like a gazelle. Was this always the case or is the Steam version retarded? It feels like I'm playing UT or something

>> No.1765190

The game's basically a mod of Quake, OP. So that's just how the game plays.

>> No.1765210

>>1765187
casual

>> No.1765226

>>1765187
Freeman was fast? I don't remember that.

>> No.1765228

>>1765190
That's probably it. I never remembered it being that twitchy though. Oh well, still a superb game

>> No.1765247

>>1765226
By modern standards Half Life is extremely fast paced. This was back when the average FPS protagonist could somersault through the air while still firing with perfect accuracy.

Anyone try the Dreamcast version mod? For some reason I shit get framerate in it.

>> No.1765263

It's the power suit

>> No.1765273

>>1765263
Nah nigga, he's the same speed without it. Only advantage is the long jump upgrade later on

>> No.1765283

>>1765187
>Freeman runs like Usain Bolt and leaps like Javier Sotomayor
Basic research mang

>> No.1765292

that's how fps games where back then

>> No.1765295

>He can't gain velocity infinitely in mid-air by strafing

>> No.1765490

Nigga be happy you walk that fast, you do a lot of walking in this game

>> No.1765606

Gordon has never ever skipped the leg day. His office doesn't even have a chair so his leg muscles are highly developed.

>> No.1765614

whats the deal with people who want their characters to move slowly and only be able to barely jump?

>> No.1765623

>>1765614
they're idiots who think video games need to be realistic

>> No.1765624

>>1765614
When you play enough new FPS games you kinda tend to forget how every FPS game back in the days were sanic fast.
After years of playing modern games I went back to the classics and hory shet everybody's a ninja!

>> No.1765629

It uses the GoldSrc engine which is basically the Quake engine renamed. The physics are basically the same.

>> No.1765704

>>1765187
HL has always been second only to Doom in speed.

Also, you should generally avoid playing the Steam version anyway; it's a lot buggier than it used to be. Pirate a version from 2010 or earlier if possible.

>> No.1765710

To be fair, doesn't the intro kind of hype Gordon up as being relatively athletic compared to his colleagues?

>> No.1765718

>>1765710
Seems like he was trained in case accidents like the Black Mesa one could happen.

>> No.1765727

For some reason I have Half Life: Source (not Black Mesa Source) on Steam for free. I feel like giving it another playthrough but wondering if I should torrent the original. Is HL Source fine or should I download the original game?

>> No.1765728

>>1765624
On the flipside Half-Life has three movement speeds, sprint, run and walk. And each of them effect enemy detection a feature from fukken Thief, which is there if you really want to use it.

>> No.1765730

>>1765614
There's a point where speed is detrimental. For example: Bubsy

>> No.1765738

>>1765727

Black Mesa "source" is a mod that requires Half Life 2 Episode 1 (or 2?) and you can find mirror links from their website. Apparently it'll be standalone and hosted on Steam someday.

You probably have Half Life Source from buying The Orange Box. If you own any older Half Life game on CD, you can redeem your CD key and get all of Valve's titles before Half Life 2 for free, including the non-Source version of Half Life.

>> No.1765753

>>1765738
You just need a Source engine game for BMS, anon. I really hate what they did to the balance in that mod, and that fucking jump height too.

>> No.1765760

>>1765718
There was that training course he took part in. The one that teaches you how to long-jump. That at least implies that he does some cardio.

In all seriousness, Freeman's background really isn't explored beyond his education - it's entirely plausible that he runs and has a gun hobby, it's just never mentioned that he does. Or that he doesn't.

>> No.1765765

>>1765760
Yeah, but we also don't know how the HEV suit could potentially enhance his performance, it does pump him with morphine all the time, after all. The long jump thing is practically a jetpack that give him a short boost, right?

>> No.1765775

>>1765187
Well you see,

Xen Crystals

>> No.1765781

>>1765738
Holy shit I know what Black Mesa Source is. You didn't answer my question at all, you just gave me a bunch of crap I already knew. Thanks but no thanks.

>> No.1765786

>>1765765
Yes, the long jump can only be performed when he's wearing the HEV, but even without it he's quite fast. His walking speed isn't enhanced at all when he puts on the suit, the long jump module just gives his an assisted boost.

>> No.1765986

>>1765781
HL Source is pretty shit. Torrent the origial which is way better and without all the botched Source crap they put in it.

>> No.1765993

>>1765986
What's the difference between them? What is the botched source crap they added?

>> No.1765995

>>1765993
yes I have always wanted to know the differences myself

>> No.1766009

>>1765993
>>1765995
Mainly water reflections like in Source games (the issue being it looks horrendous in such a low-poly game with low-res textures) and 3d skyboxes (nice idea but they don't look very good).

>> No.1766013

>>1766009
yeah its hard to put new technology into an old game without making it too jarring. I was hoping they added stupid clutter objects you could pick up and throw like in hl2.

>> No.1766081

>>1766009
So basically, it's just like a George Lucas "special edition with added effects" kind of thing.

Weak.

>> No.1766086 [DELETED] 

>>1766009
lol that's it? are you actually autistic?

>> No.1766113

>>1765187
Most 90s FPSs had the player engaging sanic mode on the map.

>> No.1766162

>>1766086

No, he was obviously just using them as examples.

>> No.1766202

>>1766162
well those are probably the 'worst' examples he could think of as they came to his mind first. they're hardly something to cry over, kek

>> No.1766216

>>1766081
>>1766009
>>1765993
I don't think HL: Source is a ruined version like some people seem to, but one thing that annoyed me quite a bit is how they changed the recoil on the MP5. In Source it's a weirdo up-and-down swinging bobbing motion, it's very odd. Other annoying things are the changed grenade physics (which make distracting the barnacles more annoying, as I recall) and most enemies ragdolling instead of gibs. But it's not like anything is on the level of "oh man you're just not experiencing the true Half Life 1, game is ruined."

>> No.1766225

>>1766081
Mostly yes. Most of the changes are cosmetic and they look like garbage, like a badly remastered movie indeed.

>>1766086
Fuck off kiddo. You obviously don't know what art direction is. These shader effects and other stuff ruin it. HL didn't need those and they look jarring as hell.

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1766240

>>1766225
>this post
confirmed for the 'tism

>> No.1766260

>>1766240
How is liking the original art direction autism? Can you explain that to me? I bet you're one of those faggots who play Quake with shit like DarkPlaces and QRack and all the crap hi-res texture packs made by mongoloids who never grasped the original artstyle and think they're making the best shit ever.

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1766272

>>1766260
Anon you know autists lack self awareness and don't actually realise that they're autistic, right? I suggest you get yourself checked up by a professional asap. You may well be surprised at the results. Just trying to help m8.

>> No.1766279

Gordon also happened to be a gifted athlete in track and field during college

>> No.1766281

>>1766260
>>1766272

DNFTT

>> No.1766293

>>1766281
>Dessicated Corpse
top kek. how old are you?

>> No.1766297

>>1766281
*Also, you spelt your name wrong you fucking asshat ahahaha

>> No.1766340

>>1766293

8.

>>1766297

Hey, mong, if you actually search it up it's a variant.

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1766389

>>1766086
>caring about the visuals in a visual medium means you're autistic

>> No.1766946

>>1765710
Oh yeah, doesn't Barney say "good job on the hazard course" or something?

>> No.1769387

>>1765606
>His office
He's mainly the grunt, isn't he? He climbs ladders, pulls switches, and pushes carts, and that ended up helping him survive in the long run.

>> No.1769389

>>1769387
He's more of an intern assigned the shitty jobs, I think.

>> No.1769392

>>1765727
HL:Source removes a lot of the scripted shit for their Source PHYSIIIICS bullshit and it actually ends up breaking a lot of areas in the game.

That being said, Grunts with ragdoll physics are fun.

>>1765760
What's Barney's line in HL2? It's like "Good job back at Black Mesa. Throwing that switch and all? Your physics degree is really showing off."

I'm assuming he's the legwork and athletics guy, like >>1769387 >implied

>> No.1769442

>>1769392
>HL:Source removes a lot of the scripted shit for their Source PHYSIIIICS bullshit and it actually ends up breaking a lot of areas in the game

I played through the entire game and don't remember anything broken. Couple things I remember missing:

>no box-pushing puzzle to get over the electrified water in Blast Pit
>Minor cosmetic detail: no HECU impaled on the rebar above the first bounce pad you find

I really can't think of anything else. Maybe something about the big fan in Blast Pit?

>> No.1769451

What if Gordon actually has a degree in physical education, and he got a job as a physicist entirely by mistake?

>> No.1769452

>>1769451
someone just read the first few letters and ok'd his resume

>> No.1769458

>>1769442
One of the things I remember had a lot of complaints was that the part where you fall on the table which crushes headcrabs will often either
>Kill you if your health is low enough, then you just reload right back into the cycle of PAIN
>Not actually break the table, and then you have to fight the headcrab
>Break the table, but haha like that would actually kill a headcrab
>Break the table, but splits in half so whoops now you're standing 2 centemeters away from a headcrab.

Just little things like that that become big annoyances.

>> No.1769481

>>1765728
HL1 doesn't have sprint m8, only 2

>> No.1769493

>not going fast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtI5HM7GVGY

>> No.1769515

>>1769493
FULL FUCKING GAME IN 20 MINUTES????????????????????????

OMFG

>> No.1769520

>>1769493
anon once said speedrunning HL is an absolute joy. I'm not a speedrunner myself and don't particular care for it but looking at this video I can see why

>> No.1769521

>>1769493
Is this tool assisted?

>> No.1769538

>>1769493
This is fucking unreal. How does he fall from such a large height and not take damage?

>> No.1769549

>>1769493
How many fucking people immediately started using that We've Got Hostiles skip trick when they found out it worked?

It's like the pinnacle of sequence breaking, minus anything Metroid gave us.

>> No.1769578

>>1769493
IIRC there was a run-down of how they did this on sda and there is also one for the half-life 2 donequick video. I believe they only used kb macros in hl1 for jumping and used the timescale command in hl2dq to slow down time while they did the run along with macros because when played back in demo mode it would run at full speed for the video looking like they were doing it all themselves.
That run was really impressive until I read that. Still cool though. Everything else is engine glitches, like the falling. Fall on a slant and you take no damage, to skip up a ladder fast jump while you go up and so on. All quake/goldsrc stuff.

>> No.1769579

>>1769549
Meant to reply to this guy right here.

>> No.1769582

>>1769579
I was just talking about the one where he shoots the scientist in the face so he ends up opening the door and you don't have to go through We've Got Hostiles and you can skip right to Blast Pit.

You sure you didn't mean >>1769538 and >>1769521 ?

>> No.1769587

>>1769582
Yeah. My mistake. It's almost 5am here.

>> No.1769589

>>1769587
Oh, and back then you could kill the NPCs for a scripted event or push a npc to a door to get by stuff earlier. Not sure if that is still the case with the steam version. Sorry for double posts.

>> No.1769610

>>1769521
Almost. It's human input segments of like 6 seconds at a time or whatever. It's not continuous.

>> No.1770130
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1770130

>>1765993
>>1765995
The Source version functions kinda like how stuff works in HL2. It uses the same graphics for its models as Goldsrc HL, but it has lighting, water, and other effects working like in HL2. The contrast between the old models and modern effects can look odd. Sometimes the impact of a scene suffers. For example, in HL1 your flashlight was this pathetic dot of light that made it really hard to see in dark vents. But it illuminates vents much better in HL Source. It's easier to spot headcrabs, and the atmosphere doesn't feel as scary. HL1 also had murky water and you had trouble seeing those damn icthyosauruses. In HL Source it's easier to see through the water, meaning that it's less scary too.

When an enemy dies in HL1, it plays one of its death animations and turns into a static corpse that can be smashed into tiny gibs. HL Source enemies turn into ragdolls when they die.

HL Source has a chapter selection like HL2. HL1 doesn't. You either start from the beginning, or use console or savefiles to skip to a specific chapter.

Loading times in the Source version take longer like in HL2. And you know how hitting a map transition in HL2 ends a soundtrack piece if one was playing at the time? Well unfortunately, HL1 had a couple of music pieces starting _right_ before a map transition. So in HL Source, those moments get ruined when the map transition kills a soundtrack piece when it has barely even started.

There's also a bunch of other differences, but I'm about to hit the character limit, and the stuff listed is probably the most important things anyway.

>> No.1770136

>>1770130
Sounds more like laziness than engine limitations. Why not darken the water, play music after the transition, etc?

>> No.1770170

>>1769493
It's a shame they patched that shit out in the steam version

Same with HL2, there used to be bunny hoping but they "fixed" it.
I hate it when exploits like that get fixed in a single player game

>> No.1770191

It's more like shooters move too slow these days to me

>> No.1770194

>>1765190
Quake has much more enjoyable physics.

>> No.1770281

>>1770130
The soundtrack problem exists in the Steam versions of Goldsrc games as well. Really ruins some moments.

Basically, the retail versions are the way to go with HL1.

>> No.1770291

Black Mesa feels much better

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1770390

>>1770291
I like the HL2 ladder behavior in Source, and that's about it. Combat is better in the original, although the new gore effects in Black Mesa are pretty nice.

>> No.1770581

>>1765187
The physics and color palette of HL always put me off, and actually made me physically ill.

>> No.1770590

>>1770581
thats because you're a homosexual

>> No.1770603

>>1770590
I think you accidentally typed /vr/ instead of /v/ in your address bar.

>> No.1770610

>>1770581

Same here, I can't play the original for more than an hour at the time without feeling sick. Same thing happens when I play through the Route Canal section of HL2. I think something about fast-paced movement in featureless, dreary corridors makes me ill.

>> No.1770742

>>1770603
that's because you're a homosexual

>> No.1770746

>>1769493
This is goddamn amazing. I don't know what kind of exploits were used but all the same... Damn.

>> No.1771101

>>1770281
Well anon, they actually fixed the music issue really recently for HL1. Problem is, while they finally got the real Opposing Force soundtrack too, they still haven't fixed that one.