What does /vr/ thinks about Treasure?

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What does /vr/ thinks about Treasure? Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:03:12 2014 No.1763082 [Reply] [Original]

What does /vr/ thinks about Treasure?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:04:21 2014 No.1763089 They have a neat name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:06:02 2014 No.1763095 I think they're a vastly overrated developer that has churned out just as much if not more mediocrity than their genuinely great games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:11:32 2014 No.1763114 >>1763095 Such as?

Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:12:55 2014 No.1763117
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They were very passionate guys who did some of the best action games of the 90s. Practically all of their games in the 90s were god-tier so I won't name them one by one. Even Mc Donald's Treasure Land was a great platformer, a lot better than what you'd expect from a licensed McD game.

I think that passion toned down over the years, probably as they grew older, but still remained with that remarkable quality their games have.
Speaking non-retro, Astro Boy Omega Factor on the GBA was one of the best games on the GBA's catalogue (and that handheld as quite a big catalogue full of great games). I think some people didn't like the new Gunstar Advance Heroes, haven't tried it myself. I did try the Bangai-O game for the DS, but I only played it for too long, it seemed more puzzle-focused, rather than frenetic action like the original, but I can't judge it because I barely played the first few missions which were mostly tutorials.
Sin and Punishment 2 on the Wii was one of my favorite games of the past gen as well, it was probably the last "big" title Treasure did.

I think they still got it, but they need funding, cause they're a very small developer.

I hope they don't die and become a mobile-only developer. It seems they're also trying with Steam, releasing Ikaruga there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:18:46 2014 No.1763130 >>1763095 Other than Stretch Panic, their mediocre games were the ones they worked on to fund the projects they actually wanted to do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:19:06 2014 No.1763131 >>1763117 I used to have that mcdonald's game not bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:32:18 2014 No.1763181 >Treasure, we want you to sell hamburgers >Make a good game about a magic clown I miss when licensed games were actually alright.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:42:13 2014 No.1763218 File: 21 KB, 346x147, h0Dg5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1763082 I think very highly of Treasure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:44:18 2014 No.1763223 File: 150 KB, 300x428, Gunstar_Heroes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1763082 They were one of the main reasons I got a Genesis. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:45:48 2014 No.1763227 >>1763095 >>1763218 These two opinions seem to be the most common, its almost a 50/50 split on the internet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:49:59 2014 No.1763231 >>1763218 I prefer experience over treasure.

Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:50:57 2014 No.1763236

Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga are really overrated pieces of shit. I know it's not retro, but seeing Ikaruga paired with RS for the Xbox re-release really warmed my cockles since I think they're both garbage games rated highly by people who didn't even beat either.

Sin and Punishment on N64 was great, possibly the best use of the console and just a great game all round, it's like the arcade experience in your own home.

Whoever does the stupid prog-rock or whatever it's called kind music for them should be shot though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 22:58:24 2014 No.1763257 >>1763117 I really hope they do fucking die for pushing DRM with Ikaruga. This is going to have horrible repercussions for subsequent PC shmup releases.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 23:03:43 2014 No.1763274 I fucking love Treasure. Gunstar Fucking Heroes, Dynamite Heady, Guardian Heroes, Alien Soldier, Light Crusader...and yeah even that McDonald's game. Maybe I only played the good ones. Who cares I'm having fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 23:47:30 2014 No.1763372 File: 685 KB, 595x822, 22714236.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love them very very much. I bust out Guardian Heroes on my saturn regularly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 12 23:56:48 2014 No.1763415 >>1763082 They're great for shooters, but lame for other kinds of games. It baffles me to this day that Nintendo got them to develop Wario World (a platformer) instead of Star Fox (which they also outsourced to Namco around the same time).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:30:23 2014 No.1763510 >>1763082 I am a Nintendo fanboy and I will not deny that Treasure programmed awesome shit for the Sega Genesis. Truly awesome shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:32:57 2014 No.1763517 >not just playing their games on a PSP

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:33:23 2014 No.1763518 >>1763517 This...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:40:36 2014 No.1763532 Dynamite Headdy, despite not know what the hell was going on, was one of my all time favorite games as a kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:49:10 2014 No.1763545 >>1763532 The Japanese version actually had cutscens and a cohesive plot that was cut from the English version for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:50:29 2014 No.1763549 >>1763223 This and Guardian Heroes. Treasure's true masterpieces aren't only realized on Sega platforms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 00:52:00 2014 No.1763556 >>1763549 *are This is why I don't /vr/ on my phone...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:00:21 2014 No.1763772 >>1763236 RSG is good for the bosses. Ikaruga is good for the scoring. Why can't you acknowledge good things instead of just slumping them off as "garbage"? Calm your tits, you raging sperg.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:32:33 2014 No.1763854 File: 17 KB, 450x400, WARIO_LAND___SHAKE__by_TheBlackMarket.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did they make any other games similar to Mischief Makers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:34:56 2014 No.1763860 >>1763854 Probably the most similar is Dynamite Headdy.

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Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:40:35 2014 No.1763865

>>1763257
"Pushing DRM" is more a condition of what will get them the most visibility than any particular policy on their part, I think. Anyone who has an iOS app is "pushing DRM" the same way. I suspect Ikaruga will sell more on Steam than if it had been placed on GoG, for example.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:42:18 2014 No.1763868

>>1763257
DRM is more a condition of market forces (i.e., Steam) than something to blame Treasures specifically for, IMO. I doubt they give a shit either way whether their games have DRM but they probably figure Ikaruga will get more visibility on Steam than on GoG or the like. I'm not sure I blame them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:43:06 2014 No.1763870 >>1763865 You do not need to use Steam's cancerous DRM bullshit in order to sell a game over it. Please stop perpetuating this myth. There are other shmups on Steam that have released the right way, Treasure fucked up big time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:43:20 2014 No.1763871 Didn't mean to samefag, thought my post didn't get posted. Please select whichever version of my post you find more pleasing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:45:00 2014 No.1763874 File: 189 KB, 600x380, freee_faaall_by_esuse-d6najnx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:46:03 2014 No.1763878 >>1763870 >There are other shmups on Steam that have released the right way, Treasure fucked up big time. I didn't know about this, care to elaborate? Do other shmup developers who distribute via steam not also have DRM in their games?

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:47:33 2014 No.1763882

I only care about a small handful of their games, but the ones I like, I REALLY like.
Sin and Punishment is probably my favorite game of all time, and Alien Soldier isn't far behind.

Something I love Treasure for, even if I don't love most of their games, is the way most of their games have really simple and satisfying risk/reward mechanics as a key part of their design.
>grabbing projectiles and throwing them back at enemies in Mischief Makers (and Gunstar Heroes to a lesser extent)
>letting lots of shit get real close to you before you bomb in Bangai-O
>reflecting physical projectiles in Sin and Punishment and Sin and Punishment: Star Successor
>absorbing pink bullets with a sword to get a huge ass sword attack in Radiant Silvergun
>absorbing like-colored bullets in Ikaruga to unleash homing lasers
>canceling projectiles to generate items that allow you to use your most powerful attacks in Alien Soldier and Gunstar Super Heroes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:48:00 2014 No.1763886 On an unrelated note, I think no discussion of Treasure is complete without mentioning Gradius V. What a fucking gem of a game. I think it's my favorite Gradius game, despite the frankly embarrassing unskippable cutscenes.

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Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:49:57 2014 No.1763893

>>1763870
... did they include other DRM or is it just a standard Steam release? If it's the latter... you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who cares. As long as Steam continues to have an offline mode, I'm willing to put up with the application and it's modest restrictions in exchange for the convenience of being able to redownload any game I've ever owned through Steam in 2 clicks. It's when devs pile their own DRM on top of that that I take issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:51:27 2014 No.1763896 >>1763893 see this is why I like gog >DRM? the fuck is that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:51:29 2014 No.1763897 >>1763878 Ikaruga uses steamworks for stuff like leaderboards, so you can't play it without having steam running. That is all he's referring to, I believe. Not a big deal to anyone who doesn't just hate steam in general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:52:18 2014 No.1763903 >>1763878 Yes. No, I would elaborate on them because that is probably a topic for /v/. >>1763893 It's crippled with Steam CEG.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:54:59 2014 No.1763908

>>1763893
>you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who cares
Well I care and I'm fucking mad. For a long time now PC shmups have been free of the scourge of DRM but thanks to Treasure and high-profile releases like Ikaruga now it's open season. That's already been one major casualty that I don't doubt was influenced by Ikaruga's release and I expect there to be more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 02:56:11 2014 No.1763913 >>1763908 *There's already been

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:00:31 2014 No.1763921

>>1763908
You talking about Crimzon Clover FINALLY being made available to people the world over with little effort or cost compared to buying an arcade cabinet or tracking down and importing the inferior doujin version?
If that's the case, I sincerely hope to see more casualties. Bring 'em on, please. I'm basically begging here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:02:16 2014 No.1763926 >>1763921 see >>1763870

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:06:54 2014 No.1763937 File: 77 KB, 500x496, bangaio-dc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best game coming through.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:07:03 2014 No.1763939

>>1763926
See
>>1763921
I'm happy to have great shmups easily accessible on steam. If the cost is I have to have a fairly unintrusive and undemanding program running in the background while I play because that's how things like leaderboards are handled, then so fucking be it, it's not a big deal in the slightest.
Keep crying.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:07:04 2014 No.1763940

>>1763903
>It's crippled with Steam CEG.
"Crippled?" I just looked into Steam CEG, how is this any more restrictive than the model Steam has used for around a decade?

>>1763921
I agree completely. Steam gives devs a relatively secure means of making more money of their old titles while providing many consumer-friendly benefits.

Moving beyond the generic "Ikaruga has DRM!" argument, Steam's DRM is only an issue if a) you're not online the FIRST time you run the game, and b) if you were planning on pirating it in the first place.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:14:02 2014 No.1763956

>>1763939
Read you goddamn Valvedrone, READ. YOU DO NOT NEED STEAM'S DRM IMPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO DISTRIBUTE GAMES OVER IT. Clear enough this time?

>>1763940
Or maybe if you just don't want some external piece of shit starting up every time you want to play a game. Maybe you just don't want to use Steam. Maybe you oppose all forms of DRM because it's the only ethical thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:15:34 2014 No.1763960 i think i fucking love dynamite headdy

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:20:17 2014 No.1763971

In the beginning, they made superior games because they were committed, passionate, ethical gaming fans and knew their shit.

These days, they make good games because they have a formula for making good games from when they were committed and passionate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:22:27 2014 No.1763980 Mischief Makers is the game that finally made me not hate owning an N64.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:26:34 2014 No.1763993 >>1763956 >Clear enough this time? I understand what you're saying, I just think you're a moron and are sperging over nothing.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:34:52 2014 No.1764010

>>1763956
>Maybe you oppose all forms of DRM because it's the only ethical thing to do.

Are you interested in elaborating on this? I (like anyone else who was inclined to follow such things) was 100% opposed to DRM but over time warmed to such things as Steam. The worst-case scenarios described by DRM-detractors has not happened. The Steam authentication server has not disappeared, games are accessible on whatever computer I want to install them on, and the added convenience is a nice touch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:42:40 2014 No.1764034 Their shmups are vastly overrated, but their other games are pretty good.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:44:05 2014 No.1764040

>>1763956
You're dragging ethics into this? Just because something is unfriendly to the consumer does not by itself make it unethical. It's not like Valve is trying to obscure it's practices. Ethics means doing the right thing, not necessarily do the thing that makes this guy happy. I'd argue Steam is ethically neutral.

Maybe I'm biased because I use my PC for more than just emulation and 4chan, but I don't mind loading up Steam to access my game collection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:44:55 2014 No.1764045 >>1764034 Gradius V deserves all the praise it gets, though it's a bit too long I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:47:30 2014 No.1764056 >>1764045 Not really. A shmup shouldn't take a half hour before it gets challenging. Ikaruga at least has good pacing and a good scoring system, unlike RSG (too restrictive) and GV (too simple). Let's not mention Silpheed.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 03:57:25 2014 No.1764083

>>1764056
>Ikaruga at least has good pacing and a good scoring system, unlike RSG (too restrictive)
Ikaruga's scoring seems just as restrictive to me, if not more so.
It's nice that you don't have to play for score to power up your shots though.

>Let's not mention Silpheed.
I didn't... but since you have, it's certainly not overrated.
Most people aren't aware of it, and most people who are don't think much of it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 04:14:00 2014 No.1764126

>>1764083
>Ikaruga's scoring seems just as restrictive to me, if not more so.
What I meant was, you could kill any color so long as you finish a chain of 3, unlike in RSG where you MUST pick one of 3 colors to chain or else your chain gets broken. That means 2/3rd of enemies on screen drift away that you can't even kill. Kinda dumb.

They added an Ikaruga mode in the Xbox RSG though.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 05:03:25 2014 No.1764210

>>1764126
>That means 2/3rd of enemies on screen drift away that you can't even kill. Kinda dumb.
I agree it's dumb, but it doesn't make scoring any more restrictive, just more inconvenient to try and do.
Ikaruga has a very exact way of going about playing for score and if you deviate in the slightest then you either drop your chain or don't get as long a chain.
Radiant Silvergun has a less exact way of playing for score, since you get to choose the color at least, and it's otherwise the exact same shit as Ikaruga.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 05:08:48 2014 No.1764220

>>1764210
Whoops, forgot to mention that Radiant Silvergun is also less restrictive because you get to choose which weapon to kill enemies with.
All Ikaruga gives you is a basic forward firing shot, which often forces you to be in specific places and fire at specific times to get the best score.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 05:28:28 2014 No.1764237 I'm not a fan of any scoring system that punishes you for shooting things in a shooting game.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 06:12:19 2014 No.1764280

\>>1764220
I don't think you understand. It's more restrictive because you can only choose one color in between each boss fight, whereas in Ikaruga you can kill anything you want so long as it's in hte proper 3x order. You could go three blacks, then three blacks, then three whites, then three blacks. But you're always stuck with either red, blue, or yellow chains in RSG. However, in Ikaruga mode RSG, you can go three reds, then three blues, then three reds again, then three yellows, and your chain bonus won't get broken. This is a vast improvement over vanilla RSG's scoring system to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 06:27:32 2014 No.1764298 >>1764237 You don't get punished for shooting things, You get rewarded for shooting the right things at the right times

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 06:40:19 2014 No.1764305

>>1764280
I understand and agree with everything you're saying... except that it's somehow more restrictive than Ikaruga's scoring. I just don't see it.
If you're playing Ikaruga for score, there is, at any given moment, usually just one right way to do things. If you aren't in the exact places and shooting at the exact times Treasure wants you to, then you aren't scoring well.
The way chains are structured seems like it would offer some freedom, but the way the game is structured, the very specific waves of enemies that are the same every time, totally prevents any freedom in the scoring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 07:24:25 2014 No.1764340 >>1763227 Every beloved dev/game will have its contrarians calling it overrated, especially on 4chan. Treasure is hadly overrated since the average joe don't even know who they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 07:26:45 2014 No.1764342 They made one of my favorite non-retro games. So yeah, I like them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 07:28:02 2014 No.1764343 >>1763886 Completely agree, it's a blessing Konami let Treasure do a Gradius game. 10/10 game, hard as fucking balls too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 07:30:16 2014 No.1764347 File: 60 KB, 305x228, bangaio-12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1763937 I prefer the N64 version due to the control scheme, but DC version is awesome too and has an easier way to build up combo meter and power up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 08:12:56 2014 No.1764389 >>1763415 I'd say the exact opposite. They suck at shooters (ever the shmup stage in Gunstar Heroes was crap), but they're great at other games. Radiant Silvergun is probably the most overrated shmup of all time.

Anonymous Sun Jul 13 12:30:00 2014 No.1764712

I'm kinda mixed with them. Their games have fantastic boss fights but it seems like they just focus on those exclusively and then with later games usually some gimmick attached. Like when it comes to actual levels they feel almost non existent in a lot of their games which kinda disappoints me, that being said they really do know how to set up great action set pieces.

> but I only played it for too long, it seemed more puzzle-focused, rather than frenetic action like the original,

Even though you played it a little you're absolutely right. Bangai-O Spirits is pretty much a puzzle game in the guise of a shmup but it's still pretty neat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 16:28:15 2014 No.1765307 Alien Soldier is their best game, and still the best run & gun shooter of all time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 16:52:38 2014 No.1765382 >>1763117 >Speaking non-retro Just say more recent games instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 17:06:42 2014 No.1765425 >>1764347 I prefer the one on Xbox 360

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 17:14:39 2014 No.1765445 >>1764305 Ikaruga doesn't tie your weapons' power to your scoring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 17:49:10 2014 No.1765489 I need more Treasure. Is Guardian Heroes import friendly? anyone have that pic with the list of Saturn titles?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 19:54:45 2014 No.1765780 They're practically my favourite developer. I still regularly (re)play Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy and Guardian Heroes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 20:01:28 2014 No.1765793 File: 43 KB, 480x680, 33086.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1765489 well the core of the game is a beat em up but there's a lot of talk and branching story paths so maybe go for the pal version

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 13 20:02:14 2014 No.1765794 >>1765489 Probably considering it's a beat em up but you won't know what decision your making or what's going on in the plot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 01:56:58 2014 No.1766612 Who's the best Treasure member, and why is it Suganami?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 01:58:01 2014 No.1766615 File: 28 KB, 408x258, treasure.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1763082 >not posting their retro logo So much better than fire text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 01:59:38 2014 No.1766617 >>1765793 >well the core of the game is a beat em up I'd honestly say it's a fighting game disguised as a beat-em-up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 02:34:54 2014 No.1766661 >>1764389 "shooters" doesn't mean JUST "shmups". Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier, Sin and Punishment, and Bangai-O are all shooters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 02:48:14 2014 No.1766678 >>1765489 If you have a 360 it's on the Xbox Live arcade for cheap

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 03:01:12 2014 No.1766706

I wish Treasure would've made more straight up action games in any given genre. Most of them have a puzzle element or other gameplay feature to differentiate themselves but the result is just kind of overly complex and a little pretentious. I bought the majority of their Genesis and Saturn games when they were still current and was impressed at the time but the only one I can keep going back to for the sake of pure fun is Guardian Heroes. That said it does annoy me slightly when people say Silvergun is overrated when they never even played it until the Xbox 360 release. There was a reason it gained a reputation and it wasn't all about eBay value.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 03:40:11 2014 No.1766771 File: 21 KB, 320x224, Light_Crusader.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dat western fantasy aesthetics dat zeldish puzzle solving in it's best dat music

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 13:23:43 2014 No.1767494 REIDIANTO SHIRUBAGAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 15:23:39 2014 No.1767736 File: 1.85 MB, 340x205, 1395469385930.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Mischief Makers >Bangai-O >Gunstar Heroes >Ikaruga >mfw people actually dislike Treasure

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 15:51:58 2014 No.1767810 >>1765445 See: >>1764083 I know.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 15:55:17 2014 No.1767818

Alien Soldier
Light Crusader
Mischief Makers
Sin and Punishment 1 and 2
Gunstar Heroes and the pseudosequel
Bangai-O
Ikaruga
Radiant Silvergun
Guardian Heroes
Dynamite Headdy

And you SERIOUSLY have the balls to say you don't like them? What the fuck man, Treasure must be the best third party developer ever.

...other than, perhaps, their own parent company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 15:59:15 2014 No.1767830 Go play Mad Stalker: Full Metal Forth and Psychic Killer Taromaru. They were made by Treasure members and feel similar to a Treasure game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:18:38 2014 No.1767882 >>1767736 i like treasure, but i don't like that their worst games (their shmups) dominate the conversation both when people are talking about treasure games and when people are talking about shmups.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:23:11 2014 No.1767897 >>1767882 Care to elaborate on why Ikaruga and Silvergun are bad other than "I dislike their scoring systems"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:24:39 2014 No.1767904 >>1767897 Not that poster, but bad scoring systems and in Silvergun's case overlong length.

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:35:21 2014 No.1767932

>>1767904
Yeah, Treasure has this tendency, especially later on, to make their games longer than they ought to be. Gradius V and Sin and Punishment: Star Successor share that issue, I think.
A challenging, intense, arcadey action game demands full and constant attention to beat, and you can only keep that up for around an hour before shit starts to become exhausting, generally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:37:32 2014 No.1767938 >>1767932 Yep, agreed. I wish they would stop that. Make two games if you have so many ideas. If you're making a game designed to be completed in one sitting there is in fact such a thing as too much of a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 16:38:47 2014 No.1767942 >>1767897 bad scoring systems are a big problem in a shmup. especially in RS where you can't really ignore scoring and just play for survival.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 17:10:01 2014 No.1768006 >>1767942 That's the thing, though... the scoring systems aren't really bad, they're just unusual.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 14 21:56:41 2014 No.1768704 >>1763082 One of my favorites. I love gun-star Heroes and Sin and Punishment 2

Anonymous Mon Jul 14 22:12:53 2014 No.1768745

I love me some Dynamite Headdy. That game had a great soundtrack, too.
Sadly it's the only Treasure game I ever owned/played when I was a kid. I didn't have many Genesis games [ but all the ones I had were great ], was mostly a SNES guy.

Err wait, I think I rented Mischief Makers once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 18:37:09 2014 No.1771306 shake shake

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 21:31:53 2014 No.1771886 File: 34 KB, 320x240, smirage-5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Silhouette Mirage needs more love Treasure+Working Designs=Very yes thank you I defy you to show me weirder bosses

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 22:43:39 2014 No.1772149 >>1771886 I've played the US localized version for years. I really want to play the saturn version before I pass judgment on it. It does a lot of cool things and I love the art, but stage enemies that are un-killable is a bit annying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 23:00:59 2014 No.1772196 >>1771886 why does the main character have to make that annoying noise though!! I've tried it a couple times but drop it so fast cause of the voice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 15 23:28:08 2014 No.1772267 >>1772196 REFREKTAAAAAH!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 16 20:03:50 2014 No.1774752 >>1772149 The Saturn version is a lot better. I played it with SSF back in 2006.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 08:57:07 2014 No.1776341 File: 106 KB, 300x431, Marina.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1763863 >>1763874 Shake Shake!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 16:20:02 2014 No.1777221 >>1776341 I fapped to Marina. I'm not proud of it, but it happened. Great game, at any rate. The only time I enjoyed owning an N64 as a kid.

Anonymous Thu Jul 17 16:26:31 2014 No.1777237

I like them because they made some pretty kick ass IPs but I understand why people critcize them always, its a hit or miss to be honest. I can agree that Treasure always incorporates some gimmick or trick into their games. I feel that the Yu Yu Hakusho game is underrate to fans. I like all their games that I have played I need to play the Other Saturn game they made and Mischief makers also how is Gradius V and Silphseed? I know it's not /vr/ but I loved Gradius on PC engine and Silphseed on Sega CD. Thank you Konami for making one of the best companies around! I wish they made more games:(

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 17 17:09:49 2014 No.1777365 >>1777237 Silpheed is shit, but Gradius V is good (if you can stomach the 90 minutes to clear it). I prefer Gaiden, though.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 08:26:45 2014 No.1779747
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WHY DOESN'T ANYONE KNOW ABOUT RAKUGAKI SHOWTIME !!!
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/rakugaki/rakugaki.htm
seriously THIS is the greatest Treasure game ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 08:49:57 2014 No.1779761 >>1779747 I remember playing Rakuga Kids on N64 and not being particularly impressed. How's the PS1 game compare?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 09:28:22 2014 No.1779808 >>1779761 Rakugakid is not Treasure and a 2D fighting game Rakugaki Showtime is Treasure and a 3D arena fighting game, like Power Stone

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 12:30:38 2014 No.1780153 >>1779747 BECAUSE OMG ALMOST NOBODY WITH A CHIPPED PLAYSTATION BACK IN THE DAY WANTED TO PLAY JAPANESE GAMES BECAUSE MOON LANGUAGE IS HARD!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:19:26 2014 No.1780540 Can we agree that Platinum games is the "new" Treasure? I don't think either made a bad games and all their action is over the top. >Platinum games makes a Alien Soldier sequel just image how fucking nuts it would be

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:22:45 2014 No.1780548

>>1780540
not even close. Treasure's quirkiness is unique and unmatched.

Platinum isn't even that great, I think people go nuts over them because the majority of new games are just shit, while platinum still maintains a some level of tight gameplay. They are one of the only companies that seems to incorporate gameplay concepts of the past

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:27:59 2014 No.1780568

>>1780548
Not even a bit close?
I mean, Platinum Games focuses on character action games, and Treasure focus on action platformers, but both always bring something unique to each of their games. And yes, Treasure did try more genres out of their comfort zone, but the core concept of gameplay above everything else is still present in both.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:28:29 2014 No.1780572 I love Gradius V, but why the everloving fuck does it have unskippable cutscenes? Whose idea was that? What a joke.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:30:47 2014 No.1780579

>>1780568

I think they're focus on gameplay is the one thing they share. Otherwise they're both somewhat niche jap developers.

I don't want to equate them with platinum because nothing can compare to radiant silvergun. And I'm not a big fan of their games

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:33:21 2014 No.1780589 >>1780579 Never managed to play it, but i hope that someday they port it to PC like Ikaruga. I am not one of the biggest fans of SHUMPs, but i still enjoy a lot of what the genre offers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:41:58 2014 No.1780617 >>1779747 >Marina will never star in another game again feels bad, man

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:44:30 2014 No.1780625

>>1780589
Although I'm a big fan of shmups, I think anyone could enjoy radiant silvergun. Easily one of the best I've ever played.

also, original >>>>> ports

You should look into sega saturn, especially if you enjoy snes. It's the pinnacle of home console 2d gaming, along with SNES. (not counting arcade / neogeo)

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:45:13 2014 No.1780630

>>1780572
There's only 2 in the game. It's not that bad.

Also, blame console 3D shmups that tried to make shmups more "cinematic" by adding superfluous things like FMV and dialog, like Einhander and R-Type Delta, to try to appeal to the Call of Duty audience.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:48:38 2014 No.1780648 >>1780589 Just use SSF and Daemon Tools to play Radiant Silvergun. It works pretty well that way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 15:49:46 2014 No.1780650 >>1780625 >I think anyone could enjoy radiant silvergun You think wrong, I can't stand the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 16:00:07 2014 No.1780676 >>1779747 I do know about it, I just don't think much of it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 16:07:37 2014 No.1780713

>>1780630
What the fuck are you talking about? I don't remember much if any dialogue in either of those games, especially not R-Type Delta. And Call of Duty audience? The first game in that series came out 6 years after Einhander and 5 years after R-Type Delta, and people aren't even talking about the first few Call of Duty games when they say things like "cawadooty" anyway. Is this like a trick or something? Are you intentionally being stupid?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 21:08:25 2014 No.1781775 >>1766615 The fire text opening was in Gunstar Heroes, which is their 1st (2nd) game depending on if you go by development or release date.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 21:15:01 2014 No.1781786 >>1780625 The 360 version of Radiant Silvergun is objectively better. Better resolution, an alternate (Ikaruga) scoring system that is less retarded, subtitles so you can actually follow the game's story, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 21:16:04 2014 No.1781791 >>1781786 By the way, this is coming from someone who has a Japanese Saturn and an original copy of RSG.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:05:31 2014 No.1782084 Treasure was great up until they decided to make Mischief Makers for the 64. It's like they wanted to make an awkward game for an awkward controller, I guess in that regard they succeeded.

Anonymous Fri Jul 18 23:49:52 2014 No.1782196
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>>1782084

So you mean EVERY Treasure game after MM is bad, or what?
Also, I thought Mischief Makers had awesome controls, not awkward at all, I love how you can use the c-unit buttons as a secondary d-pad (something that Treasure also implemented on their other 2 N64 titles). Mischief Makers is great, I feel sorry for you, I also doubt you actually tried it besides of glitchy emulation.
And this is coming from a guy who grew up on the Megadrive and whose favorite Treausre game is Alien Soldier.
Use cyanide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 00:17:17 2014 No.1782258 >>1781775 For the GSH's text, yes. But not for Treasure's actual logo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:51:34 2014 No.1782450 >>1781786 Can't you even play with original Saturn quality graphics if you're so inclined? How is that guy suggesting it's anything but equally as good at worst?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:56:39 2014 No.1782456 >>1782258 Well, I just checked and you're completely right. My brain must have mushed them together.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 01:59:45 2014 No.1782462

>>1782196
>So you mean EVERY Treasure game after MM is bad, or what?
Don't conflate my explanation with agreement, but I think he means that they had more or less a spotless record up until Mischief Makers.
'Course, if he's bitching about Mischief Makers being awkward and this meaning that Treasure was no longer great, I can only imagine that he hasn't even so much as heard of Light Crusader.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 02:18:31 2014 No.1782504

Retro Treasure games I have played:
>Gunstar Heroes
Overrated as all fuck. An ugly, mediocre run 'n' gun with lame levels and even lamer bosses. That board game level is bar-none the most awful, tedious stage I have ever encountered in a run 'n' gun, and I have played bucketloads of them.

>Mischief Makers
Easy, dull, mediocre platformer, highly overrated.

>Radiant Silvergun
A mess of poorly-executed power-up mechanics and overlong length ill-suited for an arcade experience.

>Ikaruga
A simple puzzle game disguised as a shoot 'em up, scoring system sucks, but not quite as hard as Radiant Silvergun's.

>Sin and Punishment
Fun game but has some pacing problems, especially near the end. Takes quite a while to get used to the controls but they work once you do. Definitely my most respected retro Treasure game.

I have about an equal proportion of disappoints/good games as far as their non-retro catalogue goes, so I can only conclude that they've stayed about the same over the years. If I had to pick one aspect of their games in particular it's that it seem like they have a tendency to try so hard to be creative that their games often have these weird pacing problems where they change up the gameplay too much. Skill-based action experiences can benefit from consistency. When things become too different too quickly the player does not have any time to hone new skills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 02:55:11 2014 No.1782580 >>1782504 Should play Alien Soldier and Silhouette Mirage, their best games.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 03:13:54 2014 No.1782608

>>1782504
>lame levels and even lamer bosses
Gotta draw the line here. Gunstar Heroes is definitely overrated, and I agree the levels are lame, and even some of the bosses are pretty lame, but in general the bosses are significantly better than any section of level Gunstar Heroes has to offer I think.

Also, I still disagree with you that Sin and Punishment has pacing problems at all, let alone near the end. It turns into a sidescroller, yes, but the game still controls exactly the same, the screen just now scrolls the right when you move to the right. That's really all that's different.
The skill at shooting and dodging shit, reflecting attacks, and independently controlling a character and aiming reticle you've built up over the course of the game doesn't suddenly prove meaningless in the face of this change. Not in the slightest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 04:44:50 2014 No.1782749 File: 173 KB, 500x367, 4544046195_fda6fab195[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If Adult Swim and Toonami had existed 10 years earlier they might have actually released this in the US. Still my favorite fighting game for the system.

Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:30:26 2014 No.1783851

I just bought Gunstar Super /Future in Europe Heroes for GBA without ever playing another game from them because I heard a podcast where they praised them without end, didn't even know what genre it was.

Liking it so far, does it compare to the old games?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:32:28 2014 No.1783859 >>1783851 different in a not-so-good way

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:34:12 2014 No.1783863 >>1783851 The GBA game is pretty good but the Genesis one is often hailed as one of the best run and gun games created.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:36:54 2014 No.1783873 >>1763218 same here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 19 16:37:08 2014 No.1783874 >>1782749 HOOO YUUUU HOOO YUUUUTSS TSS ORA ORA ORAREIKUDAN REIKUDANWOOOOOOOOOOAH

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 02:11:48 2014 No.1785235

>>1783851
I think the run and gun portions of the game and the boss fights were improved pretty substantially in Gunstar Super Heroes.

Levels are better because there's more enemy variety, levels tend to have more interesting layouts, and you have helpful moves like uppercuts and shit that makes navigating the levels fun.

Bosses are better because they're much more aggressive, have more attacks at their disposal, throw a ton more shit on screen to dodge, and generally force you move around to avoid taking damage while in the original game you could often hang around some general area or sometimes even not move at all without worry.
The best example would probably be to compare both versions of Papaya Dance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=608MCH6Qn80&t=2m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y71JdlkX_ck&t=11m40s
In GH it's a joke. In GSH it's a legitimate threat. Probably won't kill you, but will very likely do damage. There are similar changes to almost all returning bosses, and the new bosses are pretty good as well. The last boss is total garbage though.

Unfortunately, unlike the original, GSH is chock full of dumb, gimmicky, super scaler sections with totally different, and worse gameplay, they added ridiculously OP super attacks that destroy some bosses and seriously reduce the difficulty of the game, and they cut out coop, the ability to throw enemies and enemy projectiles, and weapon combos.

I'm not sure if it's better or worse overall.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:17:22 2014 No.1785354

Gunstar Heroes is pretty damn good, same with Sin and Punishment 2.

Didn't like Mischief Makers all that much, but the last time I played it was something like seven years ago and I only got to something like stage 2-6, so I really need to give it another try.

Not too keen on Light Crusader, but I'm just not into the genre that much (adventure games where it's just one big dungeon and a town), and from all accounts it's a very good game.

Played Ikaruga for the first time a few weeks ago after hyping it up for years in my head. It's not that great, mainly because of the scoring system, but then again I'm very bad at shmups so

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:46:38 2014 No.1785386 My first treasure game was Mischief Makers, and i loved it even when i had no idea who Treasure was.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:46:39 2014 No.1785387

>>1782504

I thought Mischief Makers was easy, too short, and fairly mediocre the first time I played through it too. It wasn't until I sat down and tried to score S ranks for all the levels that I realized how fucking solid (and kinda broken) the game is. There's just so much charm in the game too. Were you busy trying to save the world from an evil emperor or something? Because I want to ride my fucking tricycle RIGHT NOW and you had better ride it across that exploding bridge and bring it to me.

>>1785354

You should try to play Ikaruga without worrying about the scoring or the combo system or any of that crap. Just try to beat the game, and you'll probably enjoy it more. If you're still interested in the game even after you can beat it without continues, then you can figure out how to full combo stages.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:56:08 2014 No.1785410 File: 2.89 MB, 461x614, 1397458916183.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] posting relevant webm because why not?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 03:58:03 2014 No.1785412

Finally an excuse to post here. So I just want to say that Gradius V is the most frustrating goddamn game I've ever played, but I can't stop playing it.

The one thing I can bitch about that game, besides the cutscenes, is the fact that I can't unlock free play by just pausing the game and letting it run.

>inb4 hurrr needing free play

Have you tried playing this shit with friends and having to use the same continue pool?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:32:52 2014 No.1786858 >>1785412 Git gud anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:33:59 2014 No.1786861 >>1785412 >Have you tried playing this shit with friends and having to use the same continue pool? The only way to get good at shooters is to not continue and start over when you get a game over. I learned that the hard way.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:37:19 2014 No.1786876

>>1786861
I kinda have to agree with that other guy. What you're saying is fine for single player, but the chances of having a real life friend as dedicated to 1ccing a shmup as you are are pretty damn slim.
Hell, even if you were good enough to not continue, your friend would just be sitting there watching you play by yourself when he used up all the continues before stage 3. It would still suck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:42:05 2014 No.1786892 I think their games are pretty fun, but their artwork is godawful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:49:12 2014 No.1786909 File: 45 KB, 400x279, sm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786892 >dissing HAN's and Suzuki's art Oh no you didn't nigga

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:30:02 2014 No.1787027
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>>1782504
What's with /vr/ and trying so hard to be unique with stupid opinions?
You're not cool for trashing on legitimately good games.
This board sucks dick more and more each day.

tno Sun Jul 20 17:39:07 2014 No.1787056
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New, smaller companies can afford more risk. As a company grows, its risk tolerance diminishes. Furthermore, its employees become less innovative as they become "baked" into the culture and mindset of the particular company.

This is why it's important for there to always be room for new life in markets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:44:15 2014 No.1787072 >>1766771 Was this game actually good? I've heard bad things; but that might've been a case of incongruent expectations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:45:33 2014 No.1787076 >>1787027 ikaruga and radiant silvergun are garbage, bro they're shmups for people who have never played a shmup before

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:46:31 2014 No.1787081

>>1782504

I objectively loved Gunstar Heroes when I was younger, not knowing what was supposed to be "highly rated" or "obligatory". It's an amazing game, and I still love it now, not just for nostalgia purposes, but because it's extremely fun and satisfying to play.

You might not like it, for some reason, but to call it ugly or the levels lame, you must have zero idea about game design or the competition around at the time in the genre, especially on home consoles. Just that one objectively wrong opinion renders all your others null and void, frankly. I'm not usually one to say "Your opinion is bad because it disagrees with mine", but when it's objectively so, I have to comment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 18:04:55 2014 No.1787126 File: 444 KB, 1280x1024, MischiefMakers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The aesthetic style of Mischief Makers always creeped me the hell out as a kid. The whole world just looked so miserable; I just felt sorry for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 18:10:39 2014 No.1787140 >>1787076 >they're shmups for people who have never played a shmup before Nah. It used to be true, but now Cave and Touhou stuff are the big "babby's first shmup" games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 18:11:47 2014 No.1787145 >>1763956 Sir, this is /vr/ not /v/. Please take the dronecalling and usage of Caps Lock/Left Shift away from here.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:07:45 2014 No.1788970

>>1781786
For some reason they removed the Options+ menu which had a visible hitbox option, changed Story/Saturn mode to not have any continues(not a problem if you are good, but when playing with friends...) and the added borders are awful if you want to play it on a 4:3 TV.

I still prefer Saturn RSG because of these reasons. XBLA RSG does have the Ikaruga scoring system and works better on HDTVs though, so either version is great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:08:36 2014 No.1788973 >>1787081 >objectively Is this the new /vr/ buzzword? Theres nothing objective about you loving Gunstar heroes as a child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:38:19 2014 No.1789230 >>1787140 cave games are good tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:39:34 2014 No.1789234 >>1789230 it's cool to hate cave now, even though their games are excellent just ignore it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:47:14 2014 No.1789249 >>1787027 they do it because idiots like you keep responding

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:50:10 2014 No.1789259

>>1787027
I think a lot of them are just trying to be contrarian trolls, but please remember that if someone dislikes your favorite games, it doesn't automatically mean they're being a contrarian troll. People can leginimately have opinions differing from you and most people.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 15:27:11 2014 No.1789672

>>1789230
Yeah, this.
That other guy is still correct in the sense that people new to the genre will often play Cave games, but there's a reason for that. The games are good, and DoDonPachi in particular is a game that is constantly recommended to newcomers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 15:28:04 2014 No.1789675 >>1789230 No they aren't. Shite scoring systems with annoying music and purple vomit for level design. Also vapid-looking bosses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 15:29:11 2014 No.1789678 >>1789675 ok what's your favourite shmups

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 21:54:12 2014 No.1790851 Just ordered Silhouette Mirage for the Saturn. Hope I'm in for a good time. Looks fun as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 23:02:23 2014 No.1791047 >>1763236 I finished Ikaruga, and I thought it was great. No idea what you're talking about dude. I emulated RSG on MAME but never got around to taking a real crack at finishing it. Too much other shit I own physically to finish.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 00:05:26 2014 No.1791241

>>1788970
>visible hitbox option
You should know where the hitbox is if you've been playing the game for more than 15 minutes.
>changed Story/Saturn mode to not have any continues
The game is easy enough to beat in 9 lives if you aren't completely incompetent.
>added borders are awful if you want to play it on a 4:3 TV.
Can't comment on that because I would never connect my 360 to a 4:3 TV.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 00:41:01 2014 No.1791361 File: 253 KB, 847x1197, dg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1789678

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 00:42:06 2014 No.1791367

>>1791241
>You should know where the hitbox is if you've been playing the game for more than 15 minutes.

It's not just your ship's hitbox. It's the hitbox of everything, which comes in handy when you want to learn how close you can graze walls and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 00:45:10 2014 No.1791378 >>1791361 Fine taste good sir.

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Anonymous Tue Jul 22 01:29:02 2014 No.1791494
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>>1789230
>>1789234

I never said anything about the quality of Cave games and I don't think of entry level stuff as garbage. I find it somewhat funny that you Cave guys are so snappy when someone labels their games as casual yet like to so act elitist when it comes to other perceived entry level stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 01:34:10 2014 No.1791505 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IpHKCNNJhNM#t=317 I love this shit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 02:47:58 2014 No.1791717

>>1791494
It's because it's cool to hate on Cave games right now because they're perceived as well-loved classics by their fans. And we all know what the natural reaction to popular and respected games on 4chan is.

Cave fanboys are super jumpy now because of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 15:35:21 2014 No.1793319 Treasure shmups may be shit, but at least they aren't Cave levels of shit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 16:53:14 2014 No.1793506
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>>1793319

>all the edge in this thread

Jesus. I remember making a thread about Treasure in the early days of /vr/ and everyone just talked about how cool they were and our good memories.

Everything turns to shit on 4chan I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 17:07:30 2014 No.1793534 >>1793506 nah, that`s just a troll who thinks pretending to be retarded doesnt make him retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:54:45 2014 No.1794496 >>1791361 darius twin best darius srry. also, do you even danmaku

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 22:05:51 2014 No.1794538 >>1794496 0/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:15:10 2014 No.1794992 File: 23 KB, 480x340, king_fingerpalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1794496 >danmaku >good

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:29:25 2014 No.1795040 >>1794538 >>1794992 >utter plebian underlords reporting in have you saved up for this month's serfdom payment yet?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:40:22 2014 No.1795071 >>1794496 meanwhile, one post above: >>1793534 how appropriate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:41:45 2014 No.1795079 >>1795071 more plebians . I know gitting gud is hard, if you try, some day you might be able to accomplish something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:43:14 2014 No.1795086 >>1789678 Touhou of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:10:27 2014 No.1795159 >>1795040 >>1795086 >>>/jp/

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:21:30 2014 No.1795197

>>1795159
check out some of the best shmuppers in the west . far from otaku . I know it's hard to believe that someone better than you at vidya is also better than you at life. dedication carries over from hobbies to our day to day lives.

keep on rocking the plebian lifestyle

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:29:22 2014 No.1795221 >>1795197 Says the faggot that prefers inferior, lazy game design. Fuck off back to your containment board, loser.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:41:44 2014 No.1795262 Locomalito made a pretty good shmup, and he's Spaniard. http://locomalito.com/hydorah.php Also it's free.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:43:37 2014 No.1795269 >>1795221 >cave >lazy game design It's like you've never even tried. You scared of hard gamez? You must be one of those yoshi's island faggots

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 01:53:49 2014 No.1795306 >>1795262 What does this have to do with anything, and how is it appropriate for /vr/?

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 04:17:53 2014 No.1795591
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Can we get back on topic?
There's a shmup general for shmup discussion, and Cave, Touhou or... uh, Yoshi's Island aren't Treasure games.

Tone down the shitposting guys, or at least ignore the obvious bait.

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 07:09:39 2014 No.1795757
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treasure is kewl
i loved dynamite headdy and gunstar heroes a lot when i was younger
then i got to play mischief makers not too long ago and it was amazing amazing amazing
i've played most of their games but i'm not too much into actiony ones these days i guess. mischief makers came off to me as relaxing more than anythign

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 10:29:30 2014 No.1796031 >>1785410 A man of taste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 20:42:51 2014 No.1797689 >>1795269 >spew purple vomit everywhere >not lazy Whatever you say, Cavefag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 20:47:08 2014 No.1797703 >>1763082 Besides Knowing only of Mischief Makers Gun Star Heros and Ikaruga they are pretty good, Also have great songs that I listen too from time to time. I kinda wanna sing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSsOenUEcgc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:03:17 2014 No.1797749 >>1797689 >>1795269 samefag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:08:45 2014 No.1797767 I need to dabble in figuring out Alien Soldier's scoring system. Might write up an in-depth guide about it later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 08:08:06 2014 No.1799424 >>1763082 over rated

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 08:54:22 2014 No.1799508

>>1797689
you've clearly never felt the enjoyment of mastering a cave bullet pattern or level.

Also dat dere pixel art.

If you actually give say, ESP Ra.De or Progear a shot and can atleast do the first loop 1cc, then come back and tell me cave shmups are shit

>>1797749
wat? I was the first poster, but that second one completely contradicts my comment

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:37:10 2014 No.1802256 What would you guys want Treasure's next Steam port to be? Guardian Heroes with netplay here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:38:18 2014 No.1802260 >>1802256 Nothing, fuck Steam.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:38:33 2014 No.1802261 >>1802256 >steam nah

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:41:04 2014 No.1802269 >>1802260 >>1802261 >not embracing the future of PC gaming Your loss, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:47:15 2014 No.1802290 >>1802269 PC gaming sucks. all the good jap exclusives will always be on consoles. because the japs are smart enough to pirate their games on PC

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 02:07:58 2014 No.1802506 >>1802256 Didn't they say they were interested in making an original title for PC? I'd much rather see whatever that could be, especially since they haven't done much of anything besides ports since Sin and Punishment: Star Successor.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 02:11:20 2014 No.1802507

Huge fan of Treasure. A local store that sells retro stuff had Sin and Punishment and Bangai-O for the N64(came with jpn pokemon snap and stadium 1 as well as a pass through cart to play the games). Was $100, no regrets holy shit great games.
It's hard for me to list favorite games on any particular retro console, especially action games, and not just dive into love for Treasure.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 02:23:09 2014 No.1802527
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Does anyone in the thread have this?
http://vgmdb.net/album/3729
I've only found an unofficial one (which is ripped from the game) and a low quality official rip.
I cannot for the life of me find it anywhere.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 02:54:10 2014 No.1802592

>>1802527
I have it.
It's vbr but hovers around 165 kbps, not sure if that's the low quality rip you're referring to.
I think I got it from this site, but the music section has been removed since then.
http://www.mrmonkeyman.com/treasure/
I'll see if I can find a proper upload.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 03:00:25 2014 No.1802608 >>1802592 Oh nevermind, you can just type in the obvious url and the page is still there. http://mrmonkeyman.com/treasure/music.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 03:26:28 2014 No.1802678 >>1802608 Yeah sorry, not having any luck finding anything other than that or game rips.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 03:29:24 2014 No.1802689 File: 712 KB, 600x600, 1400703820103.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1802290 >pc gaming sucks

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 03:34:40 2014 No.1802704
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>>1802527

>mfw 'me' looks like an x

Fuck you Japs

Imma take the time to learn to read your shit and you're gonna play it like that then fuck you

Anyone have link to some/all of the original Japanese audio, btw?

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 13:40:20 2014 No.1803801
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>>1802592
>>1802608
>It's vbr but hovers around 165 kbps
That's the one I have, thanks though! Honestly it's good enough.

>>1802704
One day I will learn this language and my backlog will increase 10 fold

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:21:24 2014 No.1804246 >>1803801 >One day I will learn this language and my backlog will increase 10 fold Why bother, the only language-dependent Japanese games are shitty RPG's and VN's. Their best stuff (action vidya) can be played without knowing any Nip.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:26:26 2014 No.1804260 File: 147 KB, 400x535, marina liteyears.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1804246 You'll never break my Japanese spirit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:32:28 2014 No.1804270

>>1804260

GANBATTE ANON-KUN

I wish every school in the world offered comprehensive Japanese language courses, though. It would have the effect of allowing weebs who become 'Otakus' to study the language, and 90% of them would get bored and frustrated when they realized it's just another language and takes hard work to learn, and would move the fuck on with their lives, saving us all a lot of annoyance.

Then people who can actually have a qualified and sensible appreciation of Nip culture could get on with theirs. Plus, knowing another language, especially one spoken by an insular economic powerhouse, is never a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:33:43 2014 No.1804272 >all this Mischief Makers fan art Can we get some Dynamite Headdy or Silhouette Mirage fan art too?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:43:06 2014 No.1804290 >>1804246 >>shitty RPG's and VN's >everybody has the same tastes as me

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:43:58 2014 No.1804292
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>>1804270
>Plus, knowing another language, especially one spoken by an insular economic powerhouse, is never a bad thing.
With recent tension in the East I wonder how long they will remain one.

>>1804272
>Dynamite Headdy
I would post it if I had any, I loved that game but have no artwork.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:46:46 2014 No.1804297 File: 113 KB, 568x447, dynamite_headdy_by_neo_kirby_and_watch-d31bbw6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1804292 >>1804272 Also that soundtrack was great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF1Vg_DdWkA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 02:11:19 2014 No.1805675 >>1804246 I can PLAY a lot of games, but with something like Custom Robo (N64) or Princess Crown, not knowing what any of the text says really hurts the experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 03:02:30 2014 No.1805803 >>1805675 >Princess Crown that game isn't even worth learning a language for talk about an incredibly repetitive battle engine and lots of backtracking...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 03:31:35 2014 No.1805856 >>1779747 Woah, had no clue that existed. Very strange looking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 03:34:48 2014 No.1805859 Any developer who can make something like Alien Soldier is fine by me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 04:03:02 2014 No.1805903 >>1805803 No one game is worth learning an entire language for, but there's tons of still untranslated games, dude. Most of the Goemon games on the SNES for instance. Also porn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 06:15:07 2014 No.1806124 >>1805903 The dude you're talking to is kind of an edgelord. I would advise cessation. Work on the language if you want, just remember it's hard work, like anything worth learning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 06:35:05 2014 No.1806148 >>1763082 Lots of treasures.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 10:42:38 2014 No.1806552 >>1763082 Treasure was the SEGA's Rare. But Treasure was always good, even today

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 18:10:53 2014 No.1807597 OP here, glad this thread is still up. Shake Shake bros

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 20:16:28 2014 No.1807943 TARGET!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:10:14 2014 No.1809026 My ten essential retro Treasure games that everyone should play through at least once: Bangai-O Mischief Makers Dynamite Headdy Sin & Punishment Gunstar Heroes Radiant Silvergun Ikaruga Guardian Heroes Silhouette Mirage Alien Soldier

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:20:32 2014 No.1809060

>>1809026
That's practically all of their retro games though.
All that's missing is McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure, YuYu Hakusho Makyou Toitsusen, Light Crusader, Rakugaki Showtime, and MAYBE Gunstar Super Heroes since it's arguably a remake and discussion of remakes is allowed here, but that's a real big maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:22:09 2014 No.1809063 >>1809060 Essentially all of them are good. So it's cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:38:07 2014 No.1809108 File: 110 KB, 600x433, gunbeat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you will never get to play it :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:42:43 2014 No.1809114 >>1809060 I really wish Gunstar Superheroes' level designs weren't so shitty, because they got the gameplay down perfectly in that one.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:52:46 2014 No.1809137

>>1809114
Really? I feel like the actual run and gun portions of level in the game were improved from the first game over all.
Where things go horribly wrong for me is with all the gimmicky other sections like where you're flying a helicopter that you can rotate, or flying a ship with a level you can rotate, or standing on a rotating ship, or playing Flicky in a rotating level. Just... lots of rotating I guess. If that's the sort of thing that makes the level design bad for you, then I can certainly agree with that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 03:02:22 2014 No.1809150 >>1809137 Come on, the Flicky level was good >:(

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 11:32:35 2014 No.1809873 >>1793319 Treasure and Cave have within their library of games easily the greatest shmups ever made. Fuck off contrarian douche.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 11:43:54 2014 No.1809907 I love treasure. They've made some of my favorite games ever... Bangai-O, Ikaruga, Silhouette Mirage and Sin and Punishment to name a very few. Just completely stellar game designers that understood what a good game should be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 11:45:26 2014 No.1809909 >>1809873 >Treasure >shit scoring systems and poor gimmicks >Cave >ADD MOAR BULLETZ >rehash same game since Doodoopoo Yeah, nah. Your opinion is as pleb as they get. Treasure is good but not for their shmups. Cave is simply shit, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 11:46:05 2014 No.1809910 >>1809137 I swear to god, it's like the GBA required devs to include at least one rotating object in every game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 11:48:44 2014 No.1809916 >>1809909 You have your opinion and I respect it, but also wholeheartedly disagree. I hope you have a nice day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:24:28 2014 No.1810074 Can someone explain mischief makers to me? I looked up a short gameplay video and It looked pretty fun, if not a bit simple. Are there any games that it compares to?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:08:14 2014 No.1810513 >>1809909 >Cave pixel art not god-tier >I cannot git gud at bullet patterns thererfore they are all the same and shit What sort of shooters do you like, my dear young plebian?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:15:15 2014 No.1810539 >>1810513 >pixel art They use ray traced cgi models for everything, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:17:29 2014 No.1810550 >>1810539 That's only their newer stuff. progear and esp ra.de have amazing pixel art

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:17:53 2014 No.1810551 File: 74 KB, 225x300, Guwange_12[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1810539 If you look closely it's all pre-rendered, even the backgrounds. It only looks hand drawn because of the shitty resolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:20:01 2014 No.1810562 File: 80 KB, 584x449, progear_intro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1810550 Fair enough, there's still a bit of cgi here and there such as the collectable jewels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:23:39 2014 No.1810582 >>1810551 see their games pre-guwange

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:25:22 2014 No.1810587 >>1809909 >rehash same game since Doodoopoo Yeah, Guwange and Deathsmiles are exactly the same as Dodonpachi. Dumb faggot. Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga do suck though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 16:28:25 2014 No.1810602 >>1810587 wattt. I love radiant silvergun, but also love CAVE.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:12:45 2014 No.1810768 >>1810587 You may think RS and Ikaruga are overrated, and that is probably true to a certain extent, but they by no means suck at fucking all. Quit trying to be the coolest hipster on the playground please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:42:03 2014 No.1810916 >>1810587 How does radiant silvergun suck anyways? I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:45:56 2014 No.1810927 >>1810916 It doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:48:34 2014 No.1810938 >>1810927 I was hoping the guy could explain why he thought that. Despite being one the easier shmups, to me its still one the bests ever. The music, aesthetic, gameplay,mechanics, bossfights, level design was all tight as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:50:23 2014 No.1810942 >>1810938 He probably legitimately doesn't have any reasons. It's popular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:52:51 2014 No.1810950 >>1810942 Right. Forgot I was on 4chen I guezs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:54:12 2014 No.1810953 >>1810916 Not that guy, and I really like the game, but playing for score sucks, and playing for score is how you power up your weapons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:56:33 2014 No.1810963 >>1810953 >but playing for score sucks What do you mean it sucks? Is it tedious or difficult? Should getting a higher score not be difficult?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:00:35 2014 No.1810979 >>1810587 >Guwange Feudal Japan Doodoopoo with walking. Wow, so unique. >Deathsmiles Doodoopoo with lolis flipped on its side. Wow, so unique. Dumb faggot. Fuck off back to system11 with your shit taste in shmups.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:02:32 2014 No.1810985

>>1810963
Just kind of uninteresting in levels because you can only kill one color of enemy, and real tedious and boring during bosses where you milk the fuck out of them. I can't stand to do the boss milking. I just destroy all their parts, kill them, and move on.
It wouldn't really bother me except that you HAVE to play for score to get sufficiently powerful weapons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:02:40 2014 No.1810986 >>1810963 You can't kill 2/3rds of the enemies on screen or else you break your chain. That's why RSG mechanics are shit. It fails at both being a good puzzle game and good shooter, like Ikaruga.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:03:41 2014 No.1810989 >>1810979 Ah, come on. You're not even trying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:04:51 2014 No.1810992 >>1810979 Do Dangun Feveron next.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:05:13 2014 No.1810993 >>1810985 >>1810986 Legit complaints, but I only play for survival so that doesn't affect me. It pays to be a scrub.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:08:16 2014 No.1811008 >>1810985 What about Ibara?

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:09:34 2014 No.1811013

>>1810993
>I only play for survival so that doesn't affect me
But that's exactly what I'm saying: It DOES affect you, because the power of your weapons is based on how many points you score with them, and if you don't power them up well later bosses will give you a lot more trouble.
That's why I'm saying the scoring wouldn't bother me too much if your weapon levels weren't tied to scoring. Playing for survival would be more enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:11:52 2014 No.1811020 >>1811013 I realized what you said just as I finished hitting the reply button. You're absolutely right, I forgot about the leveling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:15:11 2014 No.1811028 >>1810985 you don't have to at all. I just played the game and my weapons were fine. I never went for color unless it was blatently easy as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:18:18 2014 No.1811043 >>1811028 You don't HAVE to to beat the game, but you have to to power up your weapons which makes beating the game much easier. That's what I'm saying. >my weapons were fine They could have been significantly better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:18:32 2014 No.1811045 >>1810986 Different strokes yo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:19:36 2014 No.1811049 >>1810979 What's your favourite Touhou game?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:21:14 2014 No.1811052 >>1811049 U're mom is my favorite 2ho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 18:24:55 2014 No.1811062 >>1811043 Easier but less fun? Nah

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 00:39:29 2014 No.1812352 File: 140 KB, 400x550, bucky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does /treasure/ like the proto-Treasure video-games, too?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 00:43:51 2014 No.1812362 >>1812352 Yeah the Simpons, Bucky O Hare, Contra III, and Super Castlevania IV are really good games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 01:23:18 2014 No.1812451 >>1812362 Proto-Treasure also did the 3 NES Castlevania games as well, Iga said so himself. Also Space Manbow, Crisis Force, Xexex and Axelay were also done by proto-Treasure as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:07:51 2014 No.1812696 >>1812451 Going to need a source on IGA's claim.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:28:53 2014 No.1812749 >>1812696 It was on a episode of Game Center CX when Arino interviewed him.

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:33:26 2014 No.1812758
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>>1809026
Makes me feel like rating Treasure's retro games from most to least liked, so I think I'll do that.

Sin and Punishment > Alien Soldier > Dynamite Headdy > Bangai-O > Silhouette Mirage > Guardian Heroes > Radiant Silvergun > Gunstar Heroes > Mischief Makers > Ikaruga > YuYu Hakusho > McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure > Rakugaki Showtime >>> Light Crusader

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:34:57 2014 No.1812764 >>1812758 >YYH that low Shit, nigga, you need friends. Like three of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:37:37 2014 No.1812771 >>1812764 I've played it with friends and it's a lot of fun, but I'm more of a single player guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:38:33 2014 No.1812772 >>1812771 Fair enough. I personally can't get enough of beating my friends up. I also enjoy co-op things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:38:46 2014 No.1812773 >>1803801 Rules of nature ain't got nothing on me!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:41:58 2014 No.1812774 File: 152 KB, 640x480, 1274078459314.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812773 I SHOOK UP THE WORLD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:42:45 2014 No.1812775 >>1812749 Interview starts at 27:25. http://www.gamingcx.com/2011/08/gamecenter-cx-episode-7-prince-of_6706.html He was trained by Masato Maegawa, who later founded Treasure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 03:55:43 2014 No.1812791 >>1812775 >>1812749 Thanks, mates. That's very interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 04:10:13 2014 No.1812824 >>1812791 Your welcome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 12:24:27 2014 No.1813468 >>1812775 >http://www.gamingcx.com/2011/08/gamecenter-cx-episode-7-prince-of_6706.html gonna watch this later. awesome, thanks

Anonymous Tue Jul 29 04:29:08 2014 No.1815781
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>>1786909

You mean HAN and Kimura. Suzuki was a composer.

>>1807943
GET BONUS

>>1810074

I haven't played it, but conceptually at least the only comparable game I'm aware of is Wario Land: Shake It!. Basically the whole game revolves around the mechanics of grabbing, shaking, and throwing, and those mechanics stay constant in their effects while you're put into a variety of situations like fighting, doing simple math equations, playing dodgeball, shoving kids into pots...

>>1812362

Aside from the Bucky O'Hare games (and mostly the NES one), pre-Treasure member involvement in all those games was slim. The biggest connection is that Simpsons had music by NON, Contra III had programming of some kind for the sidescrolling sections by Nami, and maybe "Main and Top View" programming by another member, and SCIV's player and enemy programming might have been done by that same member. Nothing in the way of being creative forces or anything big enough to label "proto-Treasure", I say.

>>1812451
>>1812775
>Proto-Treasure also did the 3 NES Castlevania games as well, Iga said so himself.
>He was trained by Masato Maegawa, who later founded Treasure.

Unless him saying this is much further in the video than where you pointed out, he said nothing even resembling that. I also don't see any familiar names between the NES Castlevanias and Treasure members. Furthermore, aside from Axelay, a quick look at the credits for the other games you named show no pre-Treasure team member involvement that I can see, and even then Axelay's only pre-Treasure involvement is a "Support Program" credit to one member who would go on to be a Treasure programmer.

I'm open to being proven wrong about supposed involvement in these games by people who would go on to form/join Treasure, but I'm seeing nothing that supports this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 04:33:05 2014 No.1815791 >>1815781 Aren't videogame credits from the NES era mostly pseudonyms? Where are you guy even getting your info from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 04:53:25 2014 No.1815860 >>1812775 >http://www.gamingcx.com/2011/08/gamecenter-cx-episode-7-prince-of_6706.html The fuck is this spy/bloatware?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 05:01:53 2014 No.1815887 File: 642 KB, 1273x1730, scviv3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812362 >>1812451 Yaipon (Mitsuru Yaida) was the guy who came up with the multi-directional whip on Castlevania IV. He's one of my favorite Treasure guys.

Anonymous Tue Jul 29 05:25:54 2014 No.1815956
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>>1815791

Guy you responded to here, I'm using this old site: http://web.archive.org/web/20041206004607/http://sfkosmo.gamersgraveyard.com/main.html

Specifically, these pages:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050410230941/http://sfkosmo.gamersgraveyard.com/treasure/related/related.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20050410000633/http://sfkosmo.gamersgraveyard.com/treasure/about/info/info.html

It's quite comprehensive, and seems to have been a trusted source in its time, so I defer to it for these matters. All kinds of interesting and useful info there.

>>1815887

Now this is interesting. It confirms Yaipon and Yaiman are the same person, and his involvement in games matches up with the info on the site I just linked, but there's a major incongruence: his real name given here is not the one given on SF Kosmo, and they way they figured out who he is seems pretty solid:
>Maegawa mentioned in and interview that the Enemy programmers for Sin and Punishment were Gunstar vets. Since Gunstar only had 2 programmers we knew Suganami and Matsumoto had to be NAMI and Yaiman.

I don't know what interview is being referred to here, but the logic is sound, so I'm forced to assume there was some mistranslation in either the Maegawa interview or that page you posted. Very interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 05:30:44 2014 No.1815969 >>1815956 Yaipon/yaiman's real name seems to be Mitsuru Yaida, the page I posted is from an interview with Masahiro Ueno (aka "Jun Furano", director of Castlevania IV) quick google search gives this http://treasure.wikia.com/wiki/Mitsuru_Yaida

Anonymous Tue Jul 29 05:36:43 2014 No.1815981
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>>1815969

I've been looking things up since I posted and it seems most places give credit to Yaida for these things as well, so I guess he really is Yaiman/pon! But that raises the question of how he could be mixed up with Yoshiyuki Matsumoto in that Maegawa interview...

In any case I'm inclined to believe the Yaida connection simply because it makes much more sense for him to use the Yaiman pseudonym. Thanks for the info anon!

Anonymous Tue Jul 29 06:01:47 2014 No.1816010

>>1763117
>I hope they don't die and become a mobile-only developer. It seems they're also trying with Steam, releasing Ikaruga there.

besides porting stuff, they might make an all new game for pc: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/01/30/ikaruga-developer-porting-more-games-to-steam-pondering-original-game/

Anonymous Tue Jul 29 08:36:23 2014 No.1816193 [DELETED]

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What does /vr/ thinks about proto-Good Feel (when they were Konami Kobe) (Twinbee, Parodius, MSX Gradius spin offs, Goemon, Hybrid Heaven)?

Seeing that Treasure got a topic, Good Feel needs one too, however Good Feel's stuff is not /vr/ yet so we talk about what they did when they were Konami Kobe instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 08:43:45 2014 No.1816202 How would you rank Silhouette Mirage in terms of Treasure games?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 12:56:18 2014 No.1816670 That Yu Yu Hakasho game is DANK.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:58:07 2014 No.1818431 >>1816202 One of their best. Just don't play the PSX version.

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