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Over this summer I beat a lot of classics that are often listed as some of the hardest games of all time like Ghosts and Goblins, Kid Icarus, Contra, Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania and I was surprised at how easy they were except for a couple parts usually near the end.

So what are some actually hard games that don't resort to bad controls and obtuse puzzles to create difficulty?

>> No.1760602

Image Fight
Gradius III
Dimahoo

Have fun, OP.

>> No.1760606

>>1760602
Is the SNES version of Gradius III a good port?

>> No.1760616

>>1760606
It's a significantly different, vastly easier game.

>> No.1760617

>>1760606
Not him, but it's reportedly much easier. Try the arcade version.

>> No.1760639

Genpei Toumaden and Umihara Kawase Shun are probably the most difficult platformers out there. If you can clear field 58 of Umihara, then you've pretty much mastered the genre.

>> No.1760643

>>1760598
Stargoose is fairly hard

>> No.1760645

silver surfer on the nes

>> No.1760670

>>1760598
does Kid Icarus really get mentioned among hardest games of all time? I'd replace that with Battletoads or Zelda 2 among frequently mentioned, hard but fun NES games.

anyway try Battletoads and Zelda 2 if you haven't

>> No.1760681

>>1760670
>does Kid Icarus really get mentioned among hardest games of all time?
Yes, but I bet it's people that didn't bother playing past the first level or ragequitted after being turned into an eggplant a few times.

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>>1760598
Super Star Wars and Super Empire Strikes Back.

Either the Kalhar Boss Monster will put his fist up your ass in the first, or the jump troopers will fuck you up on the snow speeder level in Empire.

Assuming you play on Jedi difficulty, you should have a decent challenge.

>> No.1760718

Ninja Turtles 1, Battletoads, Gimmik, and toughest of all, Battle Kid.

>> No.1760724

>>1760691
I don't usually play those games on hard because I don't feel like throwing my controller, but that's one of the few cases you'd notice the difference. It is impossible to avoid that asshole's attacks.

>> No.1760729

>>1760598
Did you 1cc them ? Otherwise you might just be an average pleb.

For hard games, try some CAVE shmups. dodonpachi, esp rade, for starters.

>> No.1760746

>>1760724
You had better hope to god you can make it up to him with a Plasma blaster, otherwise you're fucked.

Strangely enough I beat him first try on Brave, and thought nothing of it despite what I'd heard about it. Then I had to restart and when I got back to him, he tore through the 7 lives I had accumulated from the other stages. I don't know what the fuck happened.

>> No.1760754

>>1760746
Most bosses have huge weak points. Like the hopping robot you can get behind him and jump slash. Or the tractor beam core, you can hide in the corner and fire seekers at. That guy is really random. You can jump over his punches, but he doesn't have an attack pattern.

Him and the sandpeople level platforming parts where the mynocks can knock you off are the only parts where you can really get fucked over, though.

>> No.1760881

>>1760606
They took out the hardest level (which was bullshit hard) and added a shit ton of slowdown (which also makes things easier).
Depending how you feel about these things, it's either a slight improvement, or terrible.

>> No.1760901

>>1760881
Gradius III SNES was neutered so hard it's basically piss easy, but in spite of that I still find it a fun game. Much more fun than the arcade one.

>> No.1760915

>>1760598

>bad controls and obtuse puzzles

You best not be badmouthing survival horror games up in here. I'mma hav'ta bust a cap yo.

Anyway, if you try beating those games WITHOUT savestates, you'll be in tears pretty fast. That's the thing about NES games (well, more like pre PS1 games in general, actually), they are meant to be played in one shot and if you die, you restart. And that's what makes them hard to an extent.

Also, games being "hard" or not is relative. When you compare Contra to SMB3, it IS hard as hell. If you compare it to Vanquish, it's a fucking joke. It's all relative man.

>> No.1760917

>>1760598
Play Metal Slug 1 with one life and no continues on the highest setting and actually beat it.

It's not a super hard game in and of itself, but when you effectively try to beat the entire thing without ever getting hit once, it gets crazy.

>> No.1760926

>>1760917
I have done that, except not on the highest setting, and I wouldn't recommend it played as such. Metal Slug games are never balanced well at the higher difficulty "settings", they just give shit tons of health.

>> No.1760932

R-Type

>> No.1760937 [DELETED] 

>>1760915
>survival horror games
>obtuse puzzles
I only really played Resident Evil and Silent Hill but they had pretty easy puzzles. I was thinking of games like the Sierra adventures or Simon's Quest.

Also, I beat all those games I listed without using savestates, who the fuck would call a game easy after savescumming?

Also, I don't use savestates.

>> No.1760940

>>1760915
>survival horror games
>obtuse puzzles
I only really played Resident Evil and Silent Hill but they had pretty easy puzzles. I was thinking of games like the Sierra adventures or Simon's Quest.

Also, I beat all those games I listed without using savestates, who the fuck would call a game easy after savescumming?

>> No.1761265

>>1760639
The original Umihara Kawase is great too

>> No.1761714

>>1760691
OH SWEET JESUS IM SMOKING WEED ALL DAY AND PLAYING THIS

>> No.1762170

>>1760932

One day...

Just for one glorious moment...

I would like to get past stage 7. Maybe I'm asking for too much.

>> No.1762173

>>1760639
>>1761265

I know this is not retro and I apologize preemptively, but is that new Umihara Kawase game for the 3DS any good?

>> No.1762180

>>1762170
Me too, anon... Me too.

>> No.1762406

>>1762173

Yes. The standard game mode is crap, but you'll unlock the "survival mode" regular gameplay of UK pretty quickly, since the traditional Tadpole boss is actually the 1st ending field now. Weird, I know.

>> No.1762414

>>1762406
Well, I'll have to pick it up then.

Sucks that it's only physical in Japan.

>> No.1762421

battletoads

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>>1760598
Try Holy Diver.

>> No.1762472

>>1760598
>Contra
>Hard

>> No.1763371

>>1760598
Babby nintendo games. Play some fucking C64 games if you want difficulty.

>> No.1763531

>>1760598
BATTLETOADS

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1763608

Might just be me but I found Micky Mania on Snes or Micky's Wild Adventure on Ps1 a bitch to beat when I was younger, no save states of course.

>> No.1763628

>>1760598
>Contra
Pffft. That game's super easy once you learn the levels. Try Hard Corps.

Personally, my favorite hard but fun game is God Hand

>> No.1763636

>>1762472
The top down levels are very hard.
But for all the wrong reasons.

>> No.1763640

>>1763608
I replayed this recently and while it was still hard it was just memorizing levels and starting over a bunch. I remember freaking the fuck out when I beat it as a kid though. I only beat it once because pete was hxc.
Also i'm assuming the snes version is the same as the genesis.

>> No.1763645 [DELETED] 

>not beating a lot of the classics this summer emulated on a PSP

>> No.1763652

>>1763640
I'm not sure never tried it on genesis just the other 2 versions, I'd assume so though

>> No.1765331

>>1763371
OP wants GOOD hard games.

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