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Tell me how you feel that the best version of Bloody Tears is exclusive to the (supposedly) shitty Sega Saturn port of SOTN?

>> No.1753146

>>1753134
I feel pretty unhappy about it because the Saturn port is kinda shitty and that is definitely the best version of Bloody Tears.

>> No.1753154

>>1753134
Sorry but I disagree, Dawn of Sorrow had the best version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38r5AVDzvjY

>> No.1753164

>shitty

The game is the same. The only "real" problem are the slowdowns after the boss battles, and the only extra loading times you got are when you enter the room where you battle Dracula, they're minor issues.

>> No.1753173

>>1753154
Posting Saturn version because OP is a cocktease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vEXeExg0u0

>> No.1753191

>>1753164
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania:_Symphony_of_the_Night/Saturn

There are also some graphical issues and various other annoyances that added up to make it the inferior port.

The biggest fuckup for SOTN ports however was not keeping Maria's boss theme in the PSP version.

>> No.1753202

Well, let's look at the bright side. We still have "I am the Wind." Right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU0C1xHS8BI

>> No.1753208

>>1753191

I've played all of them. Although the Sat version isn't so polished as it could be, "shitty" is not the adjective I'd use. It's not like Doom on Saturn itself, which most of us can agree it has many problems that can make the game almost unplayable.

>> No.1753220

>>1753134
I still believe Super Castlevania IV had the best version.

>> No.1753225

>>1753173
I was unimpressed until that little bit at 1:15, but I still don't think it makes up for the rest of the song. The arrangement is great, but the sound choices are atrocious.

>> No.1753230

Who even cares at this point? I've heard Bloody Tears so many times I could probably score it with my eyes closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiazILmn0vQ
Just as good if not better.

>> No.1753235

but this is the best bloody tears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UHFZYVNNwc

>> No.1753237

I guess Haunted Castle has a pretty kickass version too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-LcdCSe1o&feature=kp

>> No.1753429

I always liked legends' version of bloody tears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB0B41q5BVc

>> No.1753458

>>1753191

>The biggest fuckup for SOTN ports however was not keeping Maria's boss theme in the PSP version.

I didn't knew about that musical change. However, after listening to both, I can't decide which one I like better (unless the music for the Maria fight on PSP is also used in some other boss, can't remember now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NzAsBTxDjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXU4s_s5vQ

Anyway, Maria's gameplay style is much better on the PSP ver. than on the Saturn.
Too bad the PSP version didn't include the Saturn new levels (even if they're short)

>> No.1753473

the best version is in the north american NES game u fockin pleb

>> No.1753493

Can't say I care much since Symphony of the Night is shit no matter what platform it's on.

>> No.1753501

>>1753220
that filtered shit didn't have the best version of anything. Bloodlines sounds better than SCV4

>> No.1753503

>>1753501

>filtered

not the guy you were shitposting to, but... what?

>> No.1753506

Army of the Pharoahs sampling of it.

>> No.1753524

>>1753503

It does have that typical SNES fuzz to its music while Bloodlines is like someone playing a beautiful instrument directly into your earlobes. Not the same guy btw

>> No.1753526

>>1753524

I'm guessing what you're talking about is the sampling quality fo the SNES. Yeah, some SNES games sound dull, but IV I think sounds pretty good.
Nobody complained about Simon's Theme, it's in fact one of the most iconic tracks of the series (apart from the classics from the NES games), also, the drumming and percussion on IV is top-notch, especially for being "low quality sampling".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtpZS_t0sQ

I don't know, but I don't get any "fuzz" or anything, it sounds good to me.

Anyway, I also love the Bloodlines OST and I love the Megadrive soundchip too.

Stop shitposting please?
It's nice we're having so many Castlevania threads as of late since it's one of my favorite series, but it also calls for a lot of unnecessary shitposting.

>> No.1753530

>>1753524

>while Bloodlines is like someone playing a beautiful instrument directly into your earlobes.

Not really, Bloodlines sounds like any other Megadrive game, very heavy synth-sound... where do you listen to "beautiful instrument"? It's all very synth-driven (which isn't a bad thing, I actually think it's pretty cool, but no, it doesn't sound like an actual instrument. However IV makes a good job at sounding like real instruments since it does use sampling, for example the organ on the first level)

>> No.1753531

>>1753173
Why the fuck did it have to be MIDI? Why in the fucking hell fuck why?

>> No.1753543

>>1753173
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myBUPl42yNo

Version B! I like how the guitar sounds here.

>> No.1753550

>>1753524
>Bloodlines is like someone playing a beautiful instrument directly into your earlobes.
If you think the SNES sounds too fuzzy, that's fine, but don't fucking lie about how the Genesis sounds.

>> No.1753563

>>1753526

As I said I'm not the guy above. This was my first post in the thread. Just sort of knew what I think he was getting at with his post.

>>1753530
>>1753550

I consider the Gen's FM synthesizer to be pretty a pretty fantastic instrument itself actually.

>> No.1753580

>>1753503
All SNES music passes through a shit audio filter and sounds like it was recorded under a blanket. That's the problem with sample based music you have to use lower quality samples because limited cartridge space.

>> No.1753586

>>1753580

That's fine, but honestly I don't hear that on IV's soundtrack. As I said here >>1753526, that sounds good enough to me.

You're just trying to bring the typical SNES vs Genesis shitposting into a Castlevania thread, fuck off.

>> No.1753607

>>1753550
The Genesis sounds clean the SNES sounds muffled. Proper synthesized music will always sound better than low quality samples.

Konami were masters of the YM2612 too listen to Hyperstone heist the music is far superior to Turtles in Time on SNES

>> No.1753610

>>1753586
actually I wasn't I was just saying the Genesis soundchip is superior in this case because it is, if you disagree you're the shitposter trying to start an arguement.

>> No.1753615

>>1753607

Konami were masters at sound programming in general

>implying this sounds in any remotely way muffled or buzzed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_bbkof75fw

again, stop shitposting. Both SNES and Genesis have good sound for different reasons. The games that sound bad on these sytems sound bad becuase the sound engineers didn't make a good job at it. There's also Genesis games that sound atrocious, almost NES-like, But that's not because of the Genesis' chip, but because of bad use of it. Same with the SNES sampling.

>> No.1753625

>>1753610

>Genesis soundchip is superior in this case because it is

In what case, exactly? I'm saying I like both IV and Bloodlines' OSTs because they have different qualities (Bloodlines has sharp, clean synth-driven goodness, while IV has rich, robust sound with awesome percussion and drumming sampling).

I'm not the one saying one is better than the other, or that one sounds like shit or anything like that.

>> No.1753631

>>1753615
stop throwing around the word shit posting because you got buttblasted at something. People can have their opinions

>> No.1753647
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1753647

>>1753631

Nah, I'm fine with people's opinions, what I don't like is the SNES vs Genesis console war shitposting on a Castlevania thread, especially when both IV and Bloodlines have great OSTs.
I guess it's because I'm really tired of console war shitposting (especially since I was always an idort and never quite understood the reasons behind console war) and also because Castlevania is one of my favorite series.

>> No.1753651

>>1753631

But he's right, console war faggotry is shitposting.

>> No.1753652

>>1753647
they do I never said SCV4 was bad I just said it does not have the best version of bloody tears.

>> No.1753667

>>1753651
It's not a console war until one of you comes rushing to do defense.

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1753672

>>1753667

They were starting the typical SNES vs Genesis console war shitposting about the different sound, etc. Come on.

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1753680

>2014
>not posting the actual best version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU1Cm72NflU

>> No.1753827

>>1753235
Well, the arranged version was quite enjoyable too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtR94bqABzk

>> No.1753840

>>1753531
>Why the fuck did it have to be MIDI? Why in the fucking hell fuck why?

Midi killed what could have been a lot of truly great OST's. Hell FF7 would have had an amazing score if the quality didn't suck so much ass

>> No.1753865

>>1753840
FF7 still rocks despite the midi music. I mean, objectively, the midi doesn't sound worse than the SNES' sampled music (though the PC version, using default midi instruments DOES).

Such is life on the Playstation and Saturn, though.

>> No.1753952

>>1753458
Her theme in the PSP version is the same as the one used for Richter, the remix of Opposing Bloodlines or Divine Bloodlines or whatever they call it now.

>> No.1753979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD8pB7Nurco

I'm rather fond of this version personally.

>> No.1753987

>>1753501

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYxLYi7qqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4Vhfy2NMo

I have nothing against the Bloodlines soundtrack, I love it, but I think Bloody Tears is better on IV in this case.

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1753997

>>1753987
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4Vhfy2NMo

>dat flute arrangement at 0:40

that's what I love about the IV soundtrack, these smooth jazzy arrangements make my dick totally hard.

>> No.1754001

>>1753987
Bloody Tears actually isn't even in the game, just in the sound test. At least I've never come across it in the several times I've beaten it.

X68000 has the best rendition of that, anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGyoYWiNWtE

Bloodlines still has my favorite Theme of Simon rendition, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWj0m3gB8JA

Shame that in-game you only hear it for like 15 seconds right before the final boss.

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1754018

Nigga the best version of Bloody Tears is the one from Rondo.

>> No.1754085

Am I the only one who has always thought Bloody Tears isn't even that good? It's kind of an annoying song for me because it has this build up like something cool is going to happen but then the melody peters out to nothing.

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1754918

>>1754085
I like Vampire Killer more.

>> No.1755071

>>1753154
I might agree with this.

Never cared for the hard rock/metal arrangements. I always thought they were try-hard and goofy.