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Come play Final Fantasy Remnants with /vr/, an online version of FF4 where everyone controls one character. Come spoony bards and super fighting robots from all corners of /vr/.

To play, first download
http://www.byond.com/games/

The newest address for FFR is
byond://ffr.ddns.net:777

Open byond and open that address to load the game.

Chatbox is /vr/bros, password is "rage", for old time's sake.

At the request of the previous OP, Try not to make this public outside of /vr/. The server's capacity is limited (est. 500 max) and it would be best if the load were kept to a reasonable level (this IS a byond game, after all).

Current Walkthrough: http://pastebin.com/ym1p9eGF
New Game ++ Class Unlock Guide: http://pastebin.com/zuqvK6Hj (Updated 8/4/14 to include the Gladiator class)
Current guide for all known blitz inputs (9/10 documented)
http://pastebin.com/GNuE4GE9

Previous Thread: >>1706789

>> No.1738170

First for Toroia is best chill out town.

>> No.1738180
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1738180

Oh, and keep endgame/unlockable secrets off of wsay. That's really the only written rule about secrets (other than rules 1, 2, and 15).

>> No.1738191

The super fighting robots are further than I am with any of my characters. Keep fighting for justice.

>> No.1738192

>>1738180
He said after posting a link to this thread in the W-say

>> No.1738197

>>1738191
>not "keep fighting for everlasting peace
Ya blew it.

>> No.1738217
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1738217

Twincast is strong :3

>> No.1738223

>>1738217
Spork the Paladin here. Wish I could've joined you.
I was a little busy being a Super Fighting Robot instead.

>> No.1738243
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1738243

I lost the fight, but fuck that dragon. I hate dragons.

>> No.1738258
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1738258

Wish my shots were more interesting. :< Next time the twins are on we'll show you the might of the Magic Loli.

>> No.1738321

Server update.
Gilgamesh now has a 100% chance to counter Samurai's existence with triple Globe 199.

>> No.1738329

July 4th 2014 v10.27

+ Added a new summon for Mature Caller and Young Caller. (Cecil81067)
+ Allowed Bomb, Cockatrice, and Mind Flayer to be dropped as intended. (Cecil81067)
- Removed several lvl specific tiles that interfered with game flow. (Ceci81067)

>> No.1738395 [SPOILER] 
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1738395

I'm a heartbreaker.

I was seriously gonna make a caller after the update, I just needed to kill Scarm.

>> No.1738440

Are there any significant differences between Young Caller and Mature Caller? Other than white magic, that is.

>> No.1738473

>>1738440
Mature can choose their summons, young have random summons. Also, young has significantly worse stats than mature from what I hear.

>> No.1738479

>>1738440
Young Caller sacrifices stats and summon reliability for versatility.

>> No.1738642

Can I play this co-op with just 2 people or do I join public servers or how does it work?

>> No.1738648

>>1738642
>public servers
Public servers get C&D'd by Square.

You can play solo but that will only get you up you Scarmiglione, or Baigan if you're lucky.

>> No.1738653

>>1738648
Okay, how many people is the minimum to comfortably beat the game with?

>> No.1738659

>>1738648
>Public servers get C&D'd by Square
Oh, so that's why it's no longer on BYOND's website. Such a shame, it used to be the most popular game, too.

>> No.1738685

Let Black Knight taunt bosses OR RIOT

>> No.1738687

Will I be left too far behind if I start playing this now?

>> No.1738689

>>1738687
nah, people are making new characters all the time

>> No.1738695

>>1738685
PLZ HK

>> No.1738745

>>1738653
2-3 will get you through mid-late game (is Scarmiglione midgame?) after that you'll need 4-5.
Postgame absolutely needs 4-5.

>> No.1738782

>>1738687
I'm sitting outside of the Octomammoth's lair trying to grid (well, I will be in about half an hour) because my solo Ninja gets one-shotted EVERY. FREAKING. TIME. Fucking AI and 3xattack first go.

>> No.1738904

>>1738197
I had a brain fart and couldn't remember the line.
I don't like the protomen

>> No.1738976
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1738976

The grinding never ends.

>> No.1738980

>>1738904
>implying it's from the protomen
Get out of /vr/ with this shit.

>> No.1738982

I might be retarded or something but I want in so:

what is ''press center''
where can I put chat info

Just downloaded byond and created an account but I don't get this

>> No.1738987

Y'know, it just occured to me. For those people who are going to have their own original sprites, there's a sprite creator (and tons of sprites, tiles and shit) here:

http://charas-project.net/resources.php

I'm sure stuff from here could be kludged together for some evocative sprites.

>>1738980
Eh. Everything regarding Megaman is Protomen nowadays, because it's overplayed and overdone.

>> No.1738994

>>1738982
If you're on a normal keyboard, 'center' is 5 on your numpad with your numlock turned off.

If you're on a laptop, you'll have to futz with your settings, but enabling the base default makes A your action/center, S cancel, D open menu, arrow keys to move.

To chat, once you connect to the game, down at the bottom under your screen/map display is a bar. It probably says w-say on the left; that's your chatbar. Type there.

>> No.1738995

>>1738994
Alright thanks

>> No.1738998

How can we make Sage a viable pick over Lunarian?

>> No.1739013

Why does it says Gladiator is in but I can't see him in creation screen?

>> No.1739015

>>1739013
You need to win a particular battle to unlock it, then you can create one.

>> No.1739017

>>1739015
Oh okay. Where do i enter chatbox password and info? thanks again

>> No.1739024

>>1739017
Social tab > Join Chatbox
Should be self-explanatory from there.

>> No.1739025

Does anyone have a link to some sprite base? I'm idly curious about making my own in the event of the eventual murder of a space flea.

>> No.1739037

>>1739025
See
>>1738987
Alternatively you could use spriter's resource or just google.

tfw can't find any sprites for freya from ff9 and i can't sprite for shit

>> No.1739041

>>1739037
No, I meant, is there a specific layout that is required for the FFR spritesheets.

>> No.1739047

>>1739041
Oh, my bad.

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>>1739025
Check the MOTD and you'd find this.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3qftK6EMcd6Ui1fU2tzaVNxWG8/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

>> No.1739867

>>1738782
Hi there, I'm soloing Ninja myself. I took down Octomammoth at level 18, by putting myself in the back row and throwing shurikens at him. I had about 390HP and never got too low. Just keep in mind the water cave is the best place I've found to grind so far, though I haven't hit the Ant cave too heavily yet.

>> No.1739885

>>1739867
Me again, almost forgot, if you are getting hit too much, use Mirage. It up's your evade I think.

>> No.1739901

>>1739867
>Solo ninja
I weep for you.

>> No.1739958

>>1739885
Mirage gives you the Blink status, letting you dodge the next 2 physical attacks guaranteed.
Fucking annoying when you set up Blink only for fucking 2x Attack to immediately follow it.

>> No.1740008

How bout that getting stuck in the win screen, guys?

>> No.1740062

>>1739901
I have to solo every mmorpg I play since I never know when I gotta run from the keyboard and go do something, and I never have set times I can be in-game. As such I'm useless to pretty much any group, and more of a liability than a useful player.

At least once I hit level cap I can offer to do the occasional run with people.

>> No.1740073

>>1738648

you can get up to zeromus with a duo but he'll wreck your butthole. if you're super anti-social, you can run two clients with two free accounts without much hassle.

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>>1740073
Related.

>> No.1740082

>>1739867

outside of fabul theres a 3 orange needle rat/3 imp captain fight that gives over a thousand xp, solo ninja should be fine doing it if you're using zeus wrath or one of your target-all damage spells. other than that, mt ordeals is great exp for around that level.

>> No.1740085

>>1740081

friend why did you save a screencap of my party :( more importantly why am i still here.

im actually thinking of playing again with the intention of just logging in occasionally to help people. playing alone was easy but boring.

>> No.1740250

>>1740085

I'm currently thinking about multitasking to see if I can 5 man wreck Zeromus.

Also, can you get the goblin summon from goblin captains?

>> No.1740279

>>1740082
Yeah, I just plowed through to fabul, now I'm grinding there. Before you have enough HP to handle the ghosts and bombs, water cave is the place to be. Everywhere else between those two points is pretty low EXP.

Level 22 Ninja now, Mom Bomb is weak.

>> No.1740687

>>1739867
I guess I justn eed to grind up. I hit Mirage and it helped me survive round 1 the last time. Then second round, whamdead. I'll grind until I have Raijin I guess, and then backrow myself.

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1741067

Got hit with the stat allocation bug, so I'm a bit past 20, but it's interesting that I just got cut off with these numbers.

>> No.1741805

anyone need a friend to fight lugae? because I do

>> No.1742636
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1742636

Fuck these inferior dragons. Gotta call Grampy Bahamut for a nuclear spanking.

>> No.1742650
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1742650

Sabah brings the heavy rain.

>> No.1742681
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1742681

Sticks and Stones will break your bones, but words'll never hurt you(unless those words summoned the rocks out of fucking SPACE.)

>> No.1742746

So I solo'd up until Mysidia, and decided I'm done doing things that way with Scarmilogne coming up, maybe tomorrow morning sometime I'll play some more, got a level 22 monk.

>> No.1742763

>>1742746

I got a B-twin. I can set him on fire if you protect me. :3

>> No.1742769
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1742769

This isn't fun or easy, but it's the only way i can do anything :(

>> No.1743036

Remember peeps to unlock your party even if your solo. And peep the party list when you get on. You can join any party that's +/- 20 levels of you.

>> No.1743092

Where is everyone today? I was hoping to fight Omega but I'll settle for a pink tail and Zeromus instead. Happy July 4th weekend to you obviously busy beavers out there.

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1743602

>party leader is ignoring all chests
>this is early game when that shit is actually useful with a party of 3 front line attackers
>kicks me from the party when i complain as he and his friend almost wipe us three times by constantly making antlion counter-attack
I'll enjoy watching them wipe to Scarm later if they're not turned off by the whole "Wow I can't just walk and mash A to win" thing.

>> No.1743613

>>1743602
I quit playing because of the constant rampant pedophilia in the chat.

>> No.1743616

>>1743613
U wot

>> No.1743657
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>>1743602
>wiping to antlion three times
should've just left em dead and solo'd the thing yourself

>> No.1743670

>>1743657
Didn't wipe but came dangerously close to doing so three times.
I wouldn't have been able to solo it anyway because I had no Bomb Fragments/etc and only 4 Hi-Potions because he skipped every single fucking chest so far.

>> No.1743678

>>1743670
You're better off dual-keying for the majority of the game and only going in a team at the superbosses and their dungeons. That way, you don't have a constant reliance on hoping someone is at your point.

>> No.1743685

>>1743678
I personally don't like multi-keying since I enjoy party banter.

>> No.1743686

>>1743678
not that guy but I think that's kinda dull

I'd rather just party up even if it's not guaranteed pre-endgame.

>> No.1744061

>close FFR
>open it a couple minutes later because a friend suddenly wanted to play
>Downloading 22mb of resources
Thanks BYOND.
Unless HK literally just pushed an update.

>> No.1744217

>>1743613
U fukken wot m8

>> No.1744280

>>1742769
>>1738217

Neros and Neris confirmed for good people.
Dragoon from last night with white mage friend saying hello.

>> No.1744951
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1744951

Rei/Duo here. Iconning with sprites this large is challenging, to say the least.

>> No.1745016

>>1744951
hey broski
I can't really tell by looking at it, as far as how large the sprite is, but the largest a battle sprite can be is 64x64 pixels. the rightmost 32 sprites aren't for player use (aside from adding in the battle_hit states).

If you're not using them, then that's all good, but if you are I thought I'd like to let you know early if you are using them, so that you can make adjustments

>> No.1745558

>>1743678
>dual-keying
Anyone got a link for how to do this? Want to try it out for sheer boredom.

>> No.1745590

>>1745558
>ftw you figure it out after 2 minutes.
nvm, I r stoopid

>> No.1745739
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1745739

odd-ballin'

>> No.1745748

>>1745739
no front-liners

you lose

>> No.1745750

Do I need multiple accounts to play by myself or what?

Like can 2 people play 4 characters?

>> No.1745768

>>1745750
multiple accounts

>> No.1745912

>>1745748
actually we just smoked up thru leviathan with that group, its going quite well

>> No.1745939

New to this, but was wondering if you can change your class at any time ala FF5, or if you're stuck with the choice after you make the character.

Also, how fucked are casters in this game? I eventually wanna get Red Mage, but the guide in the OP makes it sound like I won't be seeing that anytime soon, so I might settle for Sage or plain White Mage for the time being, or maybe Young Caller.

>> No.1745961

>>1745939
the character you make is stuck with the class you choose, but you can make multiple characters.

Casters in this game are perfectly fine. Sages are okay, but Lunarians are a better choice for endgame from what I understand. The difference is that Sages get Recall (random black magic), but Lunarians get Spirit Wave which recovers the party's MP. White Mages are universally loved. Young Callers are a bit inferior to Mature Callers. They have white magic, but they can't choose which summon to use. It's purely random, and their stats aren't as good as Mature.

if you go caster, don't expect to solo for long. you'll need a party eventually, so best to ask around.

>> No.1746004

>>1745961
What kind of endgame does this offer? I read the notes when I logged in, and saw mention of a super boss or two.

>> No.1746071

>>1746004
There's class unlocking (see OP for notes on that), gear grinding, and at least 4 or 5 superbosses. The superbosses are pretty tough, and require a certain team composition to take down.

>> No.1746079

>>1746071
Sounds great, like FFXI to me.

Was just wondering about two specific unlocks.

>Red Mage - Finish off form 3 of Zeromus with ?????

What's the ???, and any particular jobs to be for that?

>Time Mage - Steal the Time Shard key item from Gilgamesh and exchange it along with 9999999 GP to the NPC in Mysidia

I take it this is like vanilla IV, so only Ninjas can steal?

>> No.1746105

>>1746079
I believe the ???? is blue mage

and yes, only ninjas can steal. Note that you can't trade items in this game, so you'll have to make a ninja yourself and steal it.

>> No.1746114

Why do i need to have W-Say on to know what Holy Knight is talking about all the time? i see his text but it's all out-of-context and i never understand what is going on :(

Maybe i could assemble a Greatest Hits collection

>> No.1746126

>>1746114
Being able to see his and the other staff's wsay posts with wsay off is a bit of an issue.

I wish he'd realize how him doing that defeats the purpose of shutting off Wsay in the first place. If he has something important to announce to the players that absolutely everyone needs to see, he should just use the announce verb.

>> No.1746153

>>1746114
>>1746126
Oftentimes there's discussion for rebalancing and bugfixes, better that you're at least able to get a heads-up in the world chat from him talking about it, rather than just a reboot notice

>> No.1746240

>>1746079
????? is a Blue Magic spell with no name.
Deals damage equal to max HP - current hp iirc.

>> No.1746357

Abilities to disrupt the enemy early in the game is a nice thing, but the implementation is all out of whack.

It's a minor, but jarring problem with gameflow. The player is given a tool to make fights easier and also adds strategic options beyond "do more damage". Yes, that's wonderful, thank you very much. The problem with it though comes from when you give the player this ability several hours before it actually becomes useful for its intended purpose for a variety of reasons:
>You kill things or groups in one-two turns
>You're in a party and someone else is killing everything in one-two turns
>Your party's combined firepower kills everything in one-two turns
>You're fighting a boss and they're immune to the effects anyway for some reason

Like when I stared into darkness and figured out how to ~magically~ reduce the amount of attack power and defense something has just before fighting a mundane giant octopus with moderately hard and rapid physical attacks. Through the power of emo one could expect to take a little bit less damage and do more damage at a cost of pretty much all of my MP and giving it a free turn, because that's what the ability is said to do. It would be very useful here. All it does are physical attacks. It has only one dangerous attack in 3xAttack and it is not uncommon. Yet it's also magic hellspawn resistant to the powers of darkness infesting my withered soul and not willing to accept my gift of frailty through total immunity.

To a skill i just learned.
Which costs all but 2 of my MP.
And does no damage.
In a situation where it would be very useful, game-winning, even.

>> No.1746362

>>1746357
stop bitching already
nobody in the game gave a fuck either
use it when it's useful, if it's useful, or don't if it's not. you're just crying to cry. shut the fuck up.

>> No.1746364

>>1746357
Sure, i understand that not all effects are going to work on everything all the time, forever. They can be expected to fail and display a 'Miss' message when they do, and it would certainly make sense for later bosses to immune to these shenanigans. But by then the skill becomes more useful on a regular basis to weaken the much-tougher enemies later.

One of two things needs to happen to remedy this:
-Learn the ability later, when it becomes more useful on a regular basis.
or
-Make the ability substantially more useful earlier on, by making high-value targets susceptible to it.

This could really be applied to a lot of other status abilities as well, i've come to notice. They can be of surprising use in the occasional random battle, but the overall value of the ability is low except for certain extreme circumstances (what's this i hear about groups of Cactaur being put to sleep?) Why can't i Charm Barnabus, for example. Dr. Lugae already has trouble controlling him, it would make thematic sense to be able to turn the creation against its maker. Or be able to Mute him from spamming Bio on my party every turn for 1/3rd of the party's total HP.

Just, something.

>> No.1746387

>>1746362
Nobody in the game cared because they're so indoctrinated in this garbage that they don't question it because Lord Faggotface Shitlord will just yell at them about how "vague" their complaints are or ignore every word and buff Gilgamesh again. They're willing to bash their faces against things with no thought or effort, so should everyone else, right?

May as well be playing Diablo at this point.

>> No.1746414

>>1746387
No, it's just easier to accept the difficulty in balancing debuffs than to try to figure out good ways for them to work
The ones that do work (destroy and bleed) are overpowered like fuck

>> No.1746440

Server update

July 7th 2014 v10.28

* Fixed a few weapons in the equip list to only be equipped by specific classes. (Szenkar)
* Call can now use Mind Flayer at level 99. (Cecil81067)
* Phantom Rushs MP is reduced to 85. (Cecil81067)
* Fixed the icon disappearing when using certain attacks equipped with certain weapons... maybe. (Cecil81067)
* Steal should no longer bring an item beyond 99. (Cecil81067)

>> No.1746468

>>1746387
Someone is still buttmad about the gilgamesh buff that happened like once ages ago? Stop acting like he buffs things just to make you mad. You're such a baby.

>> No.1746559

>>1746414
I just want some more minor bosses that nobody gives a shit about like Octomammoth to at least be vulnerable to something like Slow.

>> No.1747143

And the server exploded.
Oh well it's doing me a favor to get some things done.

>> No.1747186

What if King Tonberry superboss?

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Expect another tiny server reboot at some point today to allow Gladiator to actually wear this.

>> No.1747681

>>1746414
All bosses should be vulnerable to Slow, full stop. Resistance is fine, but no immunity. Hold off on the nasty counters until at least Milon/Scarmiglione.

Example: Target Slow on Scarmiglione. Slow misses. Scarmi counters with Cursed Elegy.
Make him Poisonable, but make Poison heal Undead.
Zeromus, and any superboss are the only enemies you should even think about giving total immunities. Strive for only resistance/spell failure on most things.

All low-end bosses up to a certain point should be vulnerable to an assortment of afflictions available to classes at the recommended level besides instant-death. Only allow for Stop or Paralyze immunity.

Dark Elf (dragon form included) is a prime candidate for a Mute weakness, but considering his entire offensive arsenal is based purely on magic, this can't work or the fight is boring. Let him eat a healthy dose of Poison, though. Poison/DOTspells are absolutely horrifying to have on you as a mage.

Allow the Magus Sisters to have a unique set of weaknesses for each one.
Sandy = Curse, Poison
Cindy = Stop/Sleep/Paralyze (all three of these spells are effectively the same), Confuse/Charm
Mindy = Mute, Slow (Counter slow with Bio, Quake, or other suitable T2.5-T3 spell.)

Barbie is the first boss you should consider immunites to some status spells, namely Poison, Curse, and Confuse.

Moving forward, an interesting scenario has already been posted earlier: Make Lugae susceptible to Mute and allow for a nasty physical-damage based counterattack, but also make Barnabus vulnerable to Confuse/Charm. Keep the Mute weakness throughout the entire battle, and add Poison vulnerability to Lugae + later forms only.

In 5 minutes I've already made the first half of the game more interesting. No excuses.

This isn't hard. The only barrier I'm seeing towards a revamp here is laziness or a lack of desire to add more depth to battles. It isn't like people aren't already cheesing shit with buffs/high-level buddies anyway.

>> No.1747760

>>1747681
you know there are only two developers and they both work full-time jobs, right? it's unfair to call them lazy for that, especially since they are on the ball with bug fixes and other stuff on a relatively consistent basis.

>> No.1747889

>>1747760
Then maybe they should bring in a new dev that has some fucking sense about them.

>> No.1747927

>>1747889
It's a free game, you're not entitled to play it.

>> No.1747943

Was wondering, but if it says there's no chatboxes, it's fine to create the /vr/bros one listed in the OP, correct?

There any usual time the /vr/ players get on and mess around in this game?

>> No.1748005

>>1747889
like who? You think people that have been running and developing their game for that long are going to let just anyone get their hands on the source code? That's not how it works.

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>>1747927
So you're basically telling me that I shouldn't bother suggesting things that would dramatically increase the quality of the game, because that's WRONG since the devs have full time jobs and if I don't like it I can giiiiiiiiiiiit out.

Fuck off, you disgusting American pig. Your canned, tired "hurr you can leave if you don't like it" faggotry can suck my dick.

image related; it's how hard i just dunked your sorry ass

>> No.1748089

>>1748013
good riddance, then. we don't need you shitting up the chatbox or the thread. don't let the door hit you on the way out.

there's a difference between being constructive and being an asshole. you're just being a confrontational asshole like Rin was.

>> No.1748092

>>1747943
If there's no chatbox, by all means make one. There's no specific time for people to trickle in, usually just after work or summer classes.

>> No.1748148

>>1747681
szen here

A lot of these are pretty good ideas, they just take a bit of time and effort to implement because a lot of bosses have battle handlers that dictate when they do certain things. Because of the way BYOND works it can take a while to get things working the way we want them to, plus things have to get bugtested. A lot of times we find small bugs that need to be addressed immediately following an update, which can suck because people don't like that. Adjusting a boss to work just right is difficult because it requires a lot of testing and polish to get it right. Originally, the test party for the beta version of the game was just the original FF4 party. We didn't get to test all the ++ classes and every situation before opening the game to players to help test and fix problems - and you can see how that's going, we're still finding and fixing bugs while tweaking other things too.

We haven't put much focus on changing up the early-game bosses or the early-game in general because we've been focusing on adding more classes for players to enjoy while also trying to add more content to the end of the game, including bosses, dungeons and gear. HK and I do this by ourselves with input from players. It's his game. He can prioritize whatever he wants to develop, and revisiting stuff we've already done instead of focusing on something new kinda sucks - not saying we don't do that (because we do), but we aren't currently doing that because there are other matters at hand to focus on.

(continued)

>> No.1748156

>>1748148
(Continued from my last post)

This wouldn't be the same game if it weren't HK developing it. Instead you'd have a pile of buggy shit with over zealous GMs and admins ready to ban you at any second instead of telling you what we're doing with the game. We aren't going to give out the source code or hire other coders because it's not their game. If the updates aren't churning out fast enough, then sorry, but more coders will just result in a clusterfucked version of the game with no consistency. The focus is still on new classes but I'd still be open to adjusting earlygame bosses later on.

>> No.1748209

>>1747681

This is HK.

Your ideas aren't good and i'm gonna explain to you why.

If your status effects have a lot percentage of hitting you're not gonna use them, it's time better spent buffing the party or dealing damage. You're wasting your time. If you only allow a minor accuracy problem then the status effect becomes too strong,

Second disabling a monsters skill set through curse or mute is terrible considering you'd shut down a boss completely and you are already as you say cake walking it.

Confusion and Charm Lugae is not thematic to the situation no matter what you keep telling yourself, allowing a boss to be confused effectively shuts them down out of the fight completely turning the fight in the players favor with no real chance the boss can easily recover from. I've said this in game, and I'll repeat it. You cannot have "balanced" status effects, it's never been done in a game that's turn based like this and probably never will.

You didn't make the first half of the game more interesting in 5 minutes, you've added pointless gimmicks and made things easier on yourself as a player. Nothing more. So give yourself a pat on the back for breaking the game to your liking.

>> No.1748218

>>1748209

I meant a low percentage chance of hitting.. sucks i can't edit here.

>> No.1748278

>>1748156
>>1748148
Thank you for not being an irredeemable asshole about my suggestions. While I understand that adding more content for long-time players to enjoy is a good thing, all I really ask is that at some point, something gets done to make everything before end-game less of a boring slog with both sides mashing strongest attack over and over again. Speaking frankly, that is literally all the game is up until about Sylvan Cave. Attack, Attack, Hard Attack, Heal, Attack, Heal, etc. It's boring as hell to trek through, especially when you've been-there, done-that countless times over the various iterations of the game as most of the classes in the game. I honestly see a lot of potential in making it an interesting ride instead of a bunch of stuff you have to do before the game becomes fun. So please try to do this whenever possible. I would ask you to make it a priority, but it isn't my place to demand things, and you've stated that you're already prioritizing end-game content over stuff that's already there.

>> No.1748452
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1748452

>>1748209
>You cannot have "balanced" status effects, it's never been done in a game that's turn based like this and probably never will.
You are so full of shit its coming out of your ears.

I'm so terribly sorry you're completely incapable of thinking beyond "hit things with bigger stat-sticks and hold your four healers' turns until the boss does its exploitable attack-cycle that sets everyone to critical HP and then heal out of it and wait for the cycle to repeat", because this is literally the only way you've ever made anything remotely threatening to a competent party.

And half the time you fuck -THAT- up and make them impossible to kill without very heavily abusing battle mechanics that limits everyone to the ONE TRUE WAY/CLASS to win. Fuck, your game is already like this. You can have all the ++ classes you want, but at the end of the day you better make damn sure you got all the buffs covered and no less than two healers because that's the only way to win. You cannot go without or you die, full-stop. Are you so fucking stubborn you fail to see how you're pigeon-holing players into only playing in certain parties to "win the game"?

I don't give a shit who you think you are. You can code in fucking BYOND, big goddamn deal. My eight-year old daughter can code in BYOND, she runs a Space Station 13 server. Any single poster in this thread with the drive and motivation could make a better FFR than you, hell, *I* could, because you're a fucking hack who knows fuck-all about designing, balancing, and pacing a videogame.

Fuck you, Holy Knight.

>> No.1748482

Yay, drama!

>> No.1748490

>>1748452
Sounds like your just mad, You need to take a chill pill and stop being such a baby. I'm sorry you fail to see anything beyond your super high intelligent score of awesome cause everything you come up with is "perfect"

You can call me what you will, I never said I was great at coding in BYOND, never claimed I was a "big deal" these are words you're putting in my mouth to justify your appetite to have a cause. But you're far too afraid to say anything directly which is sad. So have fun with that mentality, you're not getting anywhere with being a chicken shit in an anonymous forum.

>> No.1748603

Holy Knight (Cecil81067): No matter what you do you're overleveled.
Holy Knight (Cecil81067): If you are trolling through a boss too easy?
Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You're overleveled

>> No.1748625

>>1748452
>>1748490
Stupid posts. Either enjoy what exists or don't. Most online games take very minimal input from players so at least there's that.

All this bitching will never get anything anywhere, it'll just make people hate each other over a fucking online video game designed for fun. Fuck. If you don't have fun, don't play. If you have suggestions, be kind about them, not a condescending twat.

Fucking retards, I'm telling you

>> No.1748693

>>1748209

thanks for all you do HK.

>>1748452

> hell, *I* could, because you're a fucking hack who knows fuck-all about designing, balancing, and pacing a videogame.

so go do it then.

>> No.1748945

I figured nothing would get done by posting here, so I took it in-game. This pastebin is the result.

http://pastebin.com/5LRxLMRy

There's a lot of garbage to sort through if you're looking for actual substance. I had considered making a version that omitted the majority of worthless posts.

This confirms a number of things:
1. An older source is floating around.
2. The peanut-gallery is out in force.
3. HK is unwilling to listen to suggestions to refresh, revamp, or change anything about the boring slog that is the game before obtaining an Airship.

There's a few choice lines I wanted to address, but were drowned out for various reasons thanks to the cacophony of morons like Edo shouting noise in W-Say.

>Shanalotte: So why are you afraid of rewarding players for thinking
>Shanalotte: When mashing "attack" works just as well
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): There's no thinking involved in your method
You gotta think long enough to consider it an option you have, which is one more than sitting there, clicking "attack", or choosing your strongest spell or skill, or worse, doing absolutely nothing.
In the end I suppose you're right with the dissemination of information the word will get around very quickly that "X can be defeated by Y'ing him!" But you're missing the part where not everyone has access to these abilities. As a White Mage, you know I get to do before Level Holy?
>Anyone need health?
>No, anyone need a buff?
>No, Am I equipped with a Staff, and someone isn't staff-buffed?
>No.
>Do nothing. Wait for something to do.

That "do nothing" phase is where one would normally try the gamble of status effects. Mute, Slow, Charm, Hold, anything. Maybe it'll stick! Maybe not. It's a gamble. It either pays off or it fails. Nothing is lost except MP, my turn wasn't being used anyway. You could say I should run with a Bow, and then I'll ask you "Do you like Bravery or Faith?"

In fairness, these skills work on some of the later randoms, few of which are dangerous.

>> No.1749004

Where do I get the Drill for Engineer?

>> No.1749012

>>1748945
Nobody is actually unwilling to work on the earlier content. I don't blame him for telling you he won't because you're just a belligerent idiot. That's not constructive.

Seriously though your bitching is legendary. Worse than Rin. Stop being a prick about it and be helpful instead of a douche.

>> No.1749024

>>1748945

This confirms a number of things as well.
1. You're not really willing to think about what your suggesting. Proving you believe anything you suggest is "Right".
2. You believe I'm incapable of taking peoples considerations to heart which i've proven otherwise.
3. You lack the ability to address matters in a serious manner, believing that whining and crying is the best way to get results.
4. Instead of proving your prowess, intellect, and ability to do things on your own you choose to rant and cry about the game in development in hopes of getting people to agree with you for whatever purpose you have. Instead of just proving that you can handle this on your own merit.

I cannot stress enough that you are going about this the wrong way, and continue to make points about things and point out any flaw i may make instead of just doing what I told you to do. Make the damn game yourself, be the developer with all the righteous common sense you seem to have, and stop worrying about what I do in this game that's not to your liking. Be this hero you seem to make yourself out to be.

(continued)

>> No.1749026

Woo, actually got someone else in the /vr/ channel, so my optimism has risen about playing this game.

Was wondering, but is Run broken in this? Or an obscenely low rate?

>> No.1749034

>>1749024

(continued)

I've told you time and again why I don't have status effects work in game against bosses and you just won't listen to what I have to tell you believing in every way that you're right and i'm wrong, there's no room for discussion with you which is why I refused to talk to you about the "future" of this game. You cannot be taken seriously by me after slandering me all up and down this forum and putting words in my mouth to justify your cause whatever that cause may be.

As I said in game, I'm sorry you're too damn smart for this, I'm sorry the tactics i've been limited to inhibit you and you're bored with the game now. But I will say one thing, at least I'm not a sissy about confronting you directly about whatever issues you may have with me or my decisions. If you make this game better more power to you, I'm not gonna tear you down for having the time and ability to code a byond game on your free time.

Good luck,

HK

>> No.1749036

>>1748945 More
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): Let's slow the monster
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): that's strategic
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): no it's not
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You're not being strategic in using slow
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You're just using a debuff to make it easier on you
strat·e·gy
>2. the use or an instance of using this science or art.
>4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems for obtaining a specific goal or result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world.
I thought you should be aware of the definition, since you don't seem to understand what it actually means.

>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You can use reflect much the same way baigan does
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): There are counters in this game where reflect and attacking with certain spells will cause the enemy
to take double damage
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): no one uses them
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): this is more strategic then applying slow on a boss
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): and you cannot do it
This would be a great improvement by itself if you didn't have to bait counters to trigger that effect.

>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): There are things in this game that a player can use that don't inhibit a boss directly and they shouldn't
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): the problem is
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You don't think about it
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): You're already set into the mentality of attack attack attack
>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): Which is fine
I've posted words, and words, and words. No, this is -NOT- fine. You are actively supporting this cycle by not allowing SOMETHING besides "attack attack attack" to work on something worthwhile.

Of course, you don't see this as a problem. Your playerbase doesn't really care because they're content with that, perpetuating the cycle further.

>Holy Knight (Cecil81067): I wouldn't just allow a status effect to happen without repercussion
I even suggested that attempts should be punished. You ignored that part.

>> No.1749067

>>1749036

I'm not gonna respond to this mess of a post yet again when I've discussed this with you in game. All you're doing is highlighting things and trying to make a point again despite my responses to you in game where you could've made them. If you absolutely need me to comment on this crap I will but right now it's just an eyesore and i'm really tired of you crying instead of working on the game to make these changes yourself.

>> No.1749139

>>1748603
this is true, even if you quoted it in irony. Zeromus is more difficult because you can't outlevel him

>> No.1749167

>>1749024
It's hard to discuss anything when dozens of other text-lines are spamming the box, making it hard to follow anything sensibly.

Which would be the main reason I picked through and highlighted particular issues.

Look, I know you get a lot of shit from here, and right now I'm definitely being part of it, but in the end it all boils down to wanting a more interesting game between the starting point and the point where you can do all the miscellaneous extra stuff. Asking for the possibility of having status spells work on bosses (occasionally) was only a suggestion I offered to that end, because as it is, they're relatively unused and just kinda...there. I also don't really see a whole lot of other players throwing their chip into that pile of trying (whether successful or not, clearly I wasn't) to do something.

Last...
>But I will say one thing, at least I'm not a sissy about confronting you directly about whatever issues you may have with me or my decisions.
I don't like you, and I can't find myself agreeing with you about pretty much anything ever, but I will applaud you for this, because a lot of admins would just throw the ban and be done with it.

I have a source to find.

>> No.1749184

>>1749167

I don't like you either but only because of the way you choose to go about addressing issues you feel strongly about. Trying to call me out on a forum and failing to have a reasonable debate in game by resorting to name calling is not sensible. You lack the ability to handle your concerns well and shut off any attempts at talking about it. You believe I'm some tyrant that does as he wants for w/e reason you have gotten this in your head. I'm not your friend, and have no intention of ever being one with an attitude this bad. Good luck with your source hunting.

>> No.1749250

Szen here, again.

I'm extremely disappointed with how all of you handled this situation.

Shanalotte, you've been a player even outside of /vr/. You were able to provide feedback and suggestions before without behaving the way you are today. Your input has obviously been taken into account before with coding in a way for a notification for stat points. Yes, it took a while, but if you notice, there's a large period of time where the game wasn't updated because we had a lot to work on for a very large update that included Sword Saint and the new dungeon.

Shit takes time, man. Priority can't always be on exactly what you want when we already have other ideas we're working on. I kinda wish that's all HK would have said, too, but what's done is done.

Had this situation been handled differently from the start, I'm sure some modifications could have been made at some point. Even with the situation happening as it has, it could still happen someday, but all you guys have achieved is hating each other over an online video game because nobody saw fit to be civil.

HK isn't the best at maintaining player relationships and that's why I'm here too, but I don't expect him to just back down and let me handle everything, I don't blame him at all for taking offense when you guys are arguing that way and I don't blame you either, but that's why I feel it could've been handled differently.

>> No.1749272

>>1749036

I wasn't originally gonna respond to this but since you might need to know the context of what I say here it is.

>I thought you should be aware of the definition, since you don't seem to understand what it actually means.

Knowing that slowing an enemy down is a guaranteed success of the battle isn't really a strategy, it's giving you another means of killing the boss that's easier then attacking. You just don't seem to understand this.

>This would be a great improvement by itself if you didn't have to bait counters to trigger that effect.

This is in reference to the fact that you bait out your opponent which is more strategic then applying slow and steam rolling the way you suggest it.

>I've posted words, and words, and words. No, this is -NOT- fine. You are actively supporting this cycle by not allowing SOMETHING besides "attack attack attack" to work on something worthwhile.

>Of course, you don't see this as a problem. Your playerbase doesn't really care because they're content with that, perpetuating the cycle further.

You left out the part where I said that if that's all your doing is attack attack attack, you are overleveled... no one can get by this game by pressing attack over and over unless this is the case. I'm sorry it's too easy for you in a party and i designed a lot of fights where having one or two members is almost required to complete even most mid game unless you're overleveled.

>I even suggested that attempts should be punished. You ignored that part.

If I punish attempts then you have no reason to do them. There is a bit of give and take here which I employed in later parts of the game regarding dispel which has a small window of opportunity to help you. This is difficult to employ in earlier fights and most options aren't good to even attempt. (Can explain this more if you insist)

>> No.1749310

How the hell do these goddamn blitzes work? Input the command and hit center, right? Is there a timing? I can't even do right, left! Why!? How do I git gud!?

>> No.1749325

>>1749310
Are you using a numpad or a laptop? Laptops have more trouble blitzing.

My suggestion is to slow down. Hold the key for half a second, then hit the next key. Then hit center when it's done.

>> No.1749334

>>1749325
I'm on a laptop with an external numpad so I guess I'll try slowing down but still. I have no idea what the timing is supposed to be.

>> No.1749336

Test

>> No.1749390

>>1749325
Should I tap the buttons or kinda mull from one to the next?

>> No.1749420

>>1749390
Blitz is coded so that the inputs can be as slow as you want and you can even hold the keys down as long as you want, and it will still work. Hitting them too fast will just result in BYOND's lag screwing you over.

>> No.1749458

>>1749420
Do I have to actually talk to the guys who give you the blitzes? I was under the impression that you could do them if you just knew them.
I can't do them any slower without the game just autofailing me.

>> No.1749508

>>1749458
You don't have to, no.

To be completely clear:
- select blitz
- hit .east (6), hold for about half a second
- hit .west (4), hold for about half a second
- hit .center (5), done

This shouldn't result in a failure.

>> No.1749509

>>1749458
Never mind. You have to blitz when the cursor is on you, not after. I feel silly now.

>> No.1749523

>>1749508
Thank you. I just figured that out.

>> No.1749562

Kaeli, best Gladiator of them all. She isn't afraid to slap Octomammon's shit 8 times over with those Blitzes!

>> No.1749587

How do stats work in this? I see a stat thing in the commands, but also the wizard tells you what you got.

>> No.1749613

So I only played final fantasy one and two dawn of souls on the gba. Is this like that? Are their similar classes?

>> No.1749615
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1749615

Mt. Hobbs ain't got nothing on Team /vr/

>> No.1749673

Had tons of fun tonight with this game, and hoping to enjoy playing with more of you guys as time goes on. Gotta get that Red Mage unlocked!

If it sucks, I won't be suprised, but gotta represent my favorite FF class when the chance arises

>> No.1749728

Rusty Shackleford here, good playing with you bros. Hope to again soon

>> No.1749735

>>1749587

Each particular class has a maximum stat cap. You can check what these are by going to Extra - Calculate stat. It'll show you what your stats will look like at level 99. Besides this, you have 20 extra points to put into whatever you want.(The stats cap at 99, you won't gain extra from putting them into things that max, but they WILL surpass the cap with equips and nothing else.) Say you get 99str and 99agi, but your HP and MP are lacking. For every 100 enemies, you gain a stat point, which you can allocate to whatever stats(hp, mp, vitality, etc.) with Extra - Allocate Stat.

It sounds more difficult than it is, but then again I suck at explaining stuff.

>> No.1749751

>>1749509
>Never mind. You have to blitz when the cursor is on you, not after. I feel silly now.
I remember making this exact mistake when I first played FF4. Oh man that takes me back.

>> No.1749785

>>1749751
Well that was in FF6 actually, Blitz wasn't in FF4

>> No.1749797

>>1749785
I'm slightly retarded but my point stands.

>> No.1750260

Any other yuropeans getting extreme lag suddenly?

>> No.1750468

>>1750260
i was getting it all last night yeah, thought it was just me but i guess not

>> No.1750750

>>1748625
No fuck you. Fuck you so hard I hate it when people say that. EVERYTHING is open for criticism and if that content creator isn't willing to take constructive criticism then fuck them too. They shouldn't be allowed to make content. Even if its free. Nobody looks at a game like MapleStory and says "oh the gameplay mechanics are garbage but it doesn't cost me a dime so it gets a free pass". Even if we do bring design changes to the table, HK he just shrugs them the fuck off. You don't even realize HK's bullshit til you get to get to end-game because every other fight before that is a fucking breeze.

>> No.1750763

>>1750750

If you don't like it leave... seriously stop bitching.

>> No.1750767

>>1750763
I second this. Gtfo of the thread and game.

>> No.1750779

>>1750763
There's nothing wrong with criticism. There is something wrong with being a dick about it.

>> No.1750795

>tfw would like omega to have the stop vulnerability but then i remember that samurai exists

>> No.1750803

I'm with szen here, I've only been here a short amount of time and this situation has been droning on and on. The presentation of both sides isn't ideal, but any emotional debate never is.

At least it appears everyone is passionate about the project, regardless of the mud slinging.

Bottom line is everyone needs to get over it and progress forward. This small of a community doesn't need bullshit like this.

>> No.1750847

>>1750779

Most of the complaints are not very constructive, just bitching and being a dick when I (HK) don't apparantly "listen" cause i offer any rebuttal to the claims.

>> No.1750851

Is gear drops off enemies super rare or something?

I'm trying to farm my tools as an Engineer based on the information on pastebin but I've never once since a piece of gear drop.

>> No.1750874

>>1750851
engi drops are tier 4 drops. in other words, they're incredibly rare. I believe one engi from /vr/ said it took him 16 hours to get them all. Good luck!

>> No.1750881

>>1750750
You're comparing Maplestory to FFR now? Two/three developers working on a hobby, a game that basically belongs to them because of all their own work on it, compared to a company that pays their employees to do develop a game? Man, fuck off already, you are the worst kind of entitled scumbag.

>>>out

>> No.1750891

>>1750851
in general yes
behemoth has some drops that are more common (Giant Gloves, Power Sash) but most gear drops are very rare

>> No.1751153

Once I gain a stat point, do I then put it towards something?

I can't seem to figure this out.

>> No.1751157

>>1751153
I'm pretty sure that you have to set the stat first, otherwise it picks one at random.

>> No.1751158

>>1751153
It's allocated based on what you selected when you used the stat allocation verb. It makes all the monster kills go toward that stat. If you didn't choose one at all, you got it in a random stat. If you hit cancel, it's allocating to a random stat.

Check the old guy north of Damcyan, in the cave. He will tell you what your stat points are

>> No.1751164

s-server please

>> No.1751183

>>1751164
use alternate address

>> No.1751208

>>1750803
I'm considering just leaving.

>> No.1751324

There any tricks to getting a party started or into one for this game? Hitting 4+ enemy parties when you're soloing just isn't all that fun.

>> No.1751325

>>1751208
If HK does end up leaving there won't even be any more updates, the game will just die

This is what the vocal minority of retards are doing to a guy that wants to play around with making a game in his free time.

>> No.1751364

So whats the deal with this? I'm DLing it now

>> No.1751373

>>1751364
It's fun, but it's best to make some friends and plan a structure time to get on and group up, since otherwise, you'll be doing your own thing in a FF clearly built around the larger party roster.

>> No.1751474

What's the level range for being in a party in this? My level 20 couldn't join a 99 average party, with a message about 20 exceeding the 99 or something like that.

>> No.1751513

>>1751474
Its a 20 level range

>> No.1751580

>>1751513
Alrighty, and just one last thing, is there any kind of auto attack / battle in this, like the later versions of FF4 had added in?

Walking back and forth and smashing 5 every time a ding goes off during normal fights does about the same thing, honestly.

>> No.1751664

>>1744280

Good to see you friend. :3 Perhaps we can party again sometime

>> No.1751672

>>1751580

Cast berzerk on yourself, or snag the Avenger(I think that one has auto attack, not sure if that's a mechanic or not anymore though.)

>> No.1751762

>>1751672
Avenger does but it's limited to prevent people from just afk grinding with it. Players can't cast it on each other because the spell isn't in the game yet

>> No.1751872

Are there any good spots to grind? Kind of stuck on the moon at the moment.

>> No.1751994

If I reset my stat points in the cave, do I get all the points to reallocate immediately, or do I have to regrind them?

>> No.1752017

Regrind

>> No.1752651
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1752651

When her career as a world saving adventurer is over, there will always be Luchador wrestling.

>> No.1752781

-u- Haha. So funny I forgot to laugh

>> No.1752975

Where is BK's Taunt even useful?

>> No.1753150

Male Black Knight
needs a minor sprite update.
>helmet horns in the OW sprite are asymmetrical
>OW sprite has brown hands, battle sprite has blue hands
>OW has yellow eyes, battle sprite has green eyes
>central helmet ornament in the portrait not present on either OW or Battle sprite

Hardly anything top priority but still.

>> No.1753238

So I really want to play but my number pad is broken and i cant get past the title screen. are there any alternative ways?

>> No.1753248

>>1753238
one of the toolbars at the top should have a "toggle controls" option, use that

>> No.1753334

>>1753150
that sprite is ripped right from ff4 dude, imperfections and all. check dat shit.

>>1752781
Get out of here Hoosha, you're not fooling anybody you chat-flooding retard mongoloid

>> No.1753347

>>1753334
He was playable in FF4? Shit I forgot.
Disregard me, I suck giant phalluses.

>> No.1753357

Do Paladins learn any more White Magic after Curaga?

>> No.1753395

Where is the global bank? I put stuff in the fat chocobo but my other characters can't acess it.

>> No.1753405

>>1753334
RIM my boney ass >=] whoever you are

>> No.1753431

>>1753395
Global Fat Choco storage is later.

>> No.1753594

>>1752781
>>1753405
>emotes
oh god get out

>> No.1753597

>>1753347
Not playable, but he does have battle sprites because he is in one battle during the game.

>>1752975
Taunt is being adjusted to be usable on bosses. HK said it was too overpowered and needed tweaking though.

>> No.1753606

>>1753597
>Taunt is being adjusted to be usable on bosses. HK said it was too overpowered and needed tweaking though.
Thank you based HK.

Now please give BK Dejon.
No real reason for him to not have it.

>> No.1753674

>>1753606
I suppose not, but the class is based on Golbez from FF4TAY, that's why he has the spells he does

>> No.1753695

>>1753674
He really kinda needs it just for convenience reasons.

>> No.1753729

>>1753695
Yeah I don't disagree there but there are also teleport items too

>> No.1753740

>>1753729
They cost 5k a pop iirc, hardly something you can easily stock up on without extensive grinding until mid-game.

>> No.1753864

Is sprite building/editing really tedious or am I just inefficient at it? Also, can you import an image for character portaits?

>> No.1753867

>>1753740

Every town has a teleporter, and those are much cheaper to use until you get to mid-game, when you should have no problem gathering 5k in a couple fights.

>>1751872

Depends on what you wanna grind. Stats? Water cave, mt. ordeals, toria forest. For levels? Cactuar island, The moon. ALL of the moon cept the overworld part.

>> No.1753871

Is there a recommended stat to grind on each class?

>> No.1753932

>>1753871
I could compile a list of suggested stats later but figuring out the best way to build your character is up to you a lot of the time

>> No.1754057

Are there Apples in this game to boost your HP and all, or just bonus stats?

>> No.1754064

>>1754057
Oh my god, those increased your max HP? I feel so goddamn stupid, I've beaten this game like six times now.

>> No.1754130

>>1753357
No.

>> No.1754196

>>1754130
Darn, I was hoping for Arise and/or Curaja, but that might be too much. Thanks, though.

>> No.1754204
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>>1754057
I'm afraid the silver/golden apples aren't in this game and you probably won't be seeing them anytime in the future since stat allocation already provides this for the majority of classes.
Same for Soma Drops as well.

On a side note, Sirens would be an untold godsend for implementing into FFR, as anyone who's ever endured the suffering of grinding a pink tail will tell you. These can only save time.

>> No.1754208

>>1753871
Take a look at your projected Lv. 99 stats through "Calculate Stat" - if a stat is maxed, then there's really no need to waste any points on it.

>> No.1754292

>>1754208
I see. How much Health do you gain per point? And MP?

Would it be worth pumping up HP if it's expected to cap at 8286, or should I pump up my Vitality that's expected to cap at 55? This is for Ninja, by the way.

>> No.1754335

>>1754292
Vitality is almost an entirely useless allocation as most endgame enemies will focus on magic-based damage, excepting aircut and much more commonly, crush.

Given the opportunity to choose between health or vitality, health is almost always guaranteed to carry you farther

Health is 75 per stat allocation and MP is 10 per allocation (its mostly for classes with really low natural MP like monk)

>> No.1754341

>>1754335
Thank you so very much for clarifying these things. Health it is, then.

>> No.1754460

>>1754335
Vitality is actually a great choice for ninja because their def% is so goddamn high. Better than health. You'll mitigate a lot more damage with the raw defense that 20 vitality points would net you.

>> No.1754518

>>1753864
Vitality helps, because no amount of HP will save you if you take 9999.

>> No.1754687
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1754687

I managed to get a screenshot of what lag can do. My connection shat out so stuff like this happens. There's other stuff (like I vanished from my own party) but this is what I was able to screenshot for now.

>> No.1754767 [DELETED] 

I feel so dumb for this but I have no idea what to do at the beginning of the game. I beat the mist dragon but now what

>> No.1754770

>>1754767
head into Mist, keep heading East through the town into the house on the right, then the cave entrance on the far right. Then go into the desert, then head North through the water cave.

>> No.1754787

>>1754767
Play it basically like FF4, and you're golden.

Might want to W-Say and ask if there's anyone around your level range, or if they have any alts they wanna level with you, to make it easier.

>> No.1754852

>>1754770
and level should I be around that time? I'm a dragoon

>> No.1754854

>>1754770
what level* my bad

>> No.1754868

>>1754854
uh like anything between 5-15 is decentish I think? You can solo Antlion at like level 16 if you put yourself in back row and spam jump.

>> No.1754940

>>1754204
lol i remember being in that bed!

one time i tried to hop in Luna's airship with her and she told me what with all the porn on board there was no room to catch a ride.

good times

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>>1738148
any bros know where to get a gladiator move list?

>> No.1755030

>>1755017
The OP.

>> No.1755063
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light armor DPS bros

>> No.1755070

>>1755063
I really need to learn how to wave and all those other things sometime.

Looking forward to unlocking more content and beating more of the game with you guys in the future.

>> No.1755075
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1755075

I have successfully infiltrated the stripper hivemind

>> No.1755083

>>1755070
social tab, action, lift arm

you're welcome

>> No.1755138

how far can I make it going solo before it gets impossinle

>> No.1755140

>>175513
impossible*

>> No.1755145

>>1755140
up until maybe the second of the four fiends? depends how hard you grind i think

>> No.1755149

>>1755138
Depends on your class.
General cut-off point for soloing is Scarmiglione with Baigan shutting down any soloers who get past him.
I don't know of any solo characters who can get further off the top of my head.

>> No.1755289

>>1753674
Both armored and unarmored TAY Golbez icons are seen running around sometimes.

>> No.1755840

how do I join a party with my irl friends

>> No.1755841

>>1755840
Make sure you unlock the party first, and then just press 5 or G on them.

>> No.1755846

>>1755841
how does one unlock a party

>> No.1755847

Click on the Party tab and you'll see all your options.

>> No.1755942

>>1755289
Unarmored is a custom icon

>> No.1755982

There a reason Engineer tools take so long to drop?

Not sure if I want to keep looking or just switch to something else.

>> No.1756123

>>1755982
Because the encounters are uncommon and they're tier 4 drops

Debilitator is worth farming, though. It's amazing for endgame

>> No.1757180

How hard is Golbez fight in this, and is Black Knight better than Dark Knight, or a whole different breed by endgame?

>> No.1757195
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>>1757180
golbez is really easy but i fought him late level
>pic related chilin out in tororia

>> No.1757304

>>1757180
Black Knight and Dark Knight are entirely different classes

Dark Knight sacrifices HP for huge DPS, whereas Black Knight is a tanky Black Mage

they're not even close to similar

>> No.1757314

>>1757195
>>1757304

I see. Guessing he plays pretty faithful then to TAY version of him?

Was also wondering if there's some really in demand jobs, since I'm getting to the point of beating Zeromus, and considering options on what to level up for next go around.

>> No.1757329

>>1757314
BLU Mage, Samurai, and Alchemist are the 3 most OP late game classes.

Every Zeromus party needs 2 healers and someone that can cast Shell somehow aside from them. Samurai is best DPS in the game.

So really, just play whatever class you think is most fun. Don't be a min/maxer.

>> No.1757380

>>1757180

BK is a full on armor wearing knight that uses black magic. They're completely different. Their stats are a bit more rounded, but they're strong, fast, and can take a bit of damage. They restore MP with each regular attack, and can learn most of the black magic skill set, including Meteo. Their magic power isn't all that great, but you can fix that if you stack points, but I would rather stack HP, MP, and Vitality myself. It's a pretty good addition to most parties, but since others specialize instead of generalize, it's kind of an iffy character choice. Still, I found them fun. also they can taunt and make enemies focus only on you, and you can pressure, which can paralzye the whole enemy group for a few rounds usually.

Golbez isn't THAT hard in this, you can be around level 30-40 and take him out easily if you have a semi competent party.

>> No.1757397

Server blow up just now? Saying I'm disconnected, and keeps trying to connect.

>>1757329
>>1757380
Thanks for detailing these things for me. Sounds like BK is something I would honestly enjoy playing, so I might have to solo ol Golbeza later on.

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>>1757397
karlos here. i think it blew up

>> No.1757421

fuck, Erroneous here, i got d/ced ;_;

can't even reconnect

>> No.1757426

>>1757421
>>1757403
We're 3/4 now on the Lunar Team, with Blue doing his thing.

Server had a hard life, and needs a Phoenix Down.

>> No.1757428

>>1757403
>>1757421
It lives once more.

>> No.1757429
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Downloading now, I am monitoring this thread, the concept intrigues me.

>> No.1757434
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back to work

>> No.1757456

A summary of the classes would be pretty useful for new players.

>> No.1757461

>>1757429
Wow, this was worth a genuine little chuckle.

>> No.1757604

>>1757329
I'm pretty sure sword saint's damage outdoes samurai's damage based on the skills you take

>> No.1757617

>>1757604
Sword Saint is also hilariously squishy

>> No.1757653

>>1757456
That, and maybe update the equipment lists so people will know who can equip what.

>> No.1757696

>>1757653
the equipment list only shows when specific classes can equip something when normally they'd be unable to (sword saint and ninja being on giant gloves for example). otherwise each class has a list of gear types it can equip. if you can equip gloves on your class, you can wear every pair of gloves in the equip list.

if you want to make a description and list of gear for each class you can just be really general with it by defining types instead of specific pieces of gear.

>> No.1757723

>>1757696
Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

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"everyone post it"

>> No.1757915

>>1757913
Everyone's dead, Dave.

>> No.1758028

>>1755942
Both are custom.

>> No.1758157 [SPOILER] 
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this fight just cost me 8 mil and im still a butterfly in the wind without a care...

>> No.1758178

What's the quick way to get to Golbez's fight to unlock Black Knight?

And how hard would "Greg" Gilgamesh be if you're 99 and got the extra dungeon armor pieces from chests?

And while I'm at it, are there better weapons than the ones guarded by bosses around lunar core that show up on the map?

>>1758157 showed me just what kind of goals to shoot for in this game, so I feel like having a job unlocking spree once I wake up later. I wanna beat that thing, plain and simple. I'm all hyped up and eager to start slaving away now.

>> No.1758194

>>1758178
>What's the quick way to get to Golbez's fight to unlock Black Knight?
As fast as you can get to Rubicante.

>> No.1758298 [SPOILER] 
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>>1758178

Enemies down in lunar core can drop some pretty sweet gear. Though shrine stuff is the best gear you can get I believe. Still, it'd be handy to grind up some of the good drops from enemies in lunar core before going gear hunting in the shrine dungeon

>>1757913

I gave a beautiful Priestess some lewd mouth to mouth and killed a Jumbo with her. Today was a good day.

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>>1757913

;_;

>> No.1758796

>hop on
>afk lv 99s everywhere
Dying game.

>> No.1758924
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1758924

The ride never ends.

>> No.1758945

>>1758924
Still hunting those tools, huh? Any success so far?

>> No.1758949

>>1758945
Nothing so far. Losing interest in it however, but will keep at it.

>> No.1759174

anyone here has played the original FF3 on the nes?
I'm trying to download a translation patch from romhacking.net, but i can't extract the patching software from the zip file

>> No.1759178

What's the real condition for unlocking Red Mage in this?

The walkthrough mentions you talk to an NPC in Cave of Ordeals to unlock, while the New Game ++ guide mentions having a Blue Mage kill Zeromus with ????.

>> No.1759228

>>1759174
this is really unrelated to this thread but you're just looking in the wrong place. there's a rom website out there that can provide you with all kinds of hacks all at once, included with the original rom, but I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you here.

>>1759178
the latter. it's confusing because the NPC in the shrine dungeon is a red mage. but he gives something else

>> No.1759251

>>1759228
Alrighty, well thank you for clarifying that.

On an unrelated note, would there be any interest in playing a "Color" run through / static? Like... Blue Mage + Black Knight + Red Mage kinda party deal.

>> No.1759338

>>1758157
I'm still surprised that we even made it down there. It was quite a ride.

>> No.1759472
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1759472

Anyone know of any website that has pre-made sprites to use for the icon upload?

I dont know how to make my own from scratch sadly, and im trying not to let the icon upload go to total waste again.

Any help would be appreciated

>> No.1759482

>>1759472
MS Paint is all you really need.

It's like editing sprites for comics, really simple.

>> No.1759495

For the love of Altana, someone please tell me you can steal the Time Mage item from Gilgamesh's first form.

>> No.1759529
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>>1759482
is there a base set to start editing or something?

all i have is this one finished set that was posted in a previous thread, so im guessing the sprites have to be in this order

>> No.1759539
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>>1759529
Yeah, it's linked in the Message of the Day, but here it is for convenience.

>> No.1759562

>>1759539
ahhh i did not even notice! thank you very much anon

>> No.1759597

>>1759495
second form, 25% steal, and you have to be level 99

>> No.1759606

>>1759597
Well, thank you for clarifying that. I'll stop suiciding his first form then solo style.

Probably my dumbest question to date, but is there something like a wiki for this?

>> No.1759624

>>1759606
No. The closest you can get is the pastebin with information in it. One of the players in Chocobo Knights has a bestiary-in-progress if you ask around, I don't have the link though and I forget his name. Usually Szen will answer questions too if you ask him, and has responded in these threads a few times for that

>> No.1759850
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This Mysidia Town Theme I feel it right now guys.

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>>1759850

>> No.1760013

>>1758796
why don't you git gud
we're not here to carry you

>> No.1760165

Here's an honest question, but why is Jumbo a one time per character encounter with an obscenely low chance to run into him? And why does he have such a rare sword under those kinds of conditions?

>> No.1760190

>>1760165
To frustrate you.

>> No.1760203

>>1760165
because he's not a one-time-per-character encounter. you can fight him as many times as you want.

also, have you seen what that sword does? it's stupid fucking strong and it only keeps getting buffed more.

>> No.1760303

>>1760165
Jumbo used to be a sprite on the world map you'd have to dodge to grind there.

If you bumped into it, the fight was on. If it bumped into you, the fight was on.

It was a once-per-character thing at that time.

>> No.1760657
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1760657

How does my custom mage look? I hope I made it all right

>> No.1760873

Okay, guys, so I have an icon set I edited that's around 18x24 pixels in size at base. What's the best way to resize them to work as battle sprites in FFR? If I try increasing their size by 200% the sprite becomes too tall by a few pixels. Kinda stumped since I'm pretty new at editing this stuff, but I've been trying my best to learn. Any advice for a newbie?

>> No.1760912

>>1760873
A battle sprite can be 36x48 but you have to know what you're doing, try using the v10 icon format.

>>1760657
Your overworlds are illegal, you need to make them 16-bit, not 32-bit. Make them 16x16, then resize them by 200%.

>> No.1760916

>>1760912
Thank you kind anon, it's much appreciated.

>> No.1760928

>>1760912
even though they're smaller than 32x32?

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>>1760657
I dunno, this lazy color edit made to resemble Sigurd from FE4 miiiight be better.

Ignore Cecil's portrait, forgot to delete that for screenshot.

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>>1760657
like this instead? supersloppy

>> No.1761082

>>1761042
overworlds
your battle sprites were fine

>> No.1761153

>>1760657
It looks cool but doesn't fit with more than 4 Colors in game.

>> No.1761410

Good morning, my awesome pals of /vr/. I'm back with another question, in regard to tail farming.

For Time Mage, do I go for Green (Asura's Rod) or Yellow (Nirvana)?

For Ninja, I'm guessing I need White (Moonsilk Blade). Is that the dragon in the Giant right in the first room?

>> No.1761458

>>1760946
Love this. FE4 is one of my favorite games.

>> No.1761472

>>1761082
My overworlds are just re-sized sprites that look very identical

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>>1761082
>>1761472

>> No.1762184

>>1761551
They would work, but they have artifacting from being resized weirdly, since it looks like all you did was take the 32-bit sprite, size it in half, then double its size

Why don't you look at the overworld sprites from Final Fantasy 3's Magus class, on the NES? It's the same thing, and you can modify that more to your liking

>> No.1762340

Anyone know if Debilitator and Chainsaw are worth the tier 4 drops?

Been at it about 3 days and nothing.

>> No.1762349

>>1762340
Debilitator is worth it, for sure. Chainsaw, take it or leave it. Debilitator works on everything, when it hits. Even bosses.

>> No.1762467

I finally got around to playing this today, I've been anxiously awaiting my computer's repair while monitoring the previous threads. I'm up to level 13, flying solo so far as a paladin.

I just got my ass kicked by the octomammoth, though. His 3x attack is brutal with one party member. Anyone care to lend a hand?

>> No.1762495

>>1762467
Use Protect as Pally and don't bother with Pommel/Charge to beat Octodad.

>> No.1762542

Any stat allocation tips for a beginner Black Knight?

>> No.1762551

>>1762542
cap wis
agi/vit need some attention too probably

>> No.1762558

Is there a way to blacklist / ignore someone on this? I don't care for the manlet monk.

>> No.1762565

>>1762558
dhythos?

yeah just click the ignore button in the social tab
you can ignore anyone, GMs will still be able to get through though if they choose to, but since HK added a way to turn it off they usually don't

>> No.1762585

>>1762565
Thank you, oh kindest of anons.

>> No.1762604

>>1762551
It'd take more than 20 points to max it, unfortunately. Here's the calculated Lv. 99 stats without bonuses, since I should've posted them to begin with:

Strength: 99
Vitality: 94
Agility: 82
Wisdom: 74
Will: 30
HP: 8688
MP: 795

Agi and Wis is a must, but others suggest raising HP (which I'm iffy about).

>> No.1762619

>>1762604
BK's damage is all going to come from black magic later on, so you want to bring up wisdom as much as you can. You don't need to buff your HP, 8600 is enough, and is actually pretty much average,

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>>1762565
muscleheads? Hate 'em!

>> No.1762627

>>1762619
I'll keep that in mind, thanks a lot!

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>>1762558
LOLOL. Picture related, flipping you off. :)

>> No.1762638

>>1762636
>midgetjerkingoff.jpg

This is why we can't have nice things.

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>>1762638
yea cause you

>> No.1762646 [DELETED] 

>>1762638
How's that whole ignoring me thing going bud? At least you don't wanna drink my tears like a Salty fluid craving semen starved faggot. Guess I can't hate on you too much.

>> No.1762656

>>1762636
>>1762638
>>1762645
>>1762646

MODS

>> No.1762664 [DELETED] 
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1762664

Never forget 7/11/2014 Wsay.

>> No.1762668

>>1762664
what happened?

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>>1762664

all that autism

>> No.1762694
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>>1762668
Well, I was Cactuar grinding with these dudes, and then a Red Mage guy joined us. Then some other people decided to grind Cactuars too, and one was talking about how to get the Jumbo one to appear. Then the Red Mage posted that in W-Say and shit happened.

I don't fucking remember much as I was sick and slightly delirious.

>> No.1762731

>>1762694
Really? There's no way to get Jumbo to appear, it's just random.

>> No.1762771

>>1762731

They still get angry if people post game stuff in w-say. Even if it's false stuff.

>> No.1762882
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1762882

PRO TIPS:

SOMETIMES THERE IS A PATTERN

SEVENS ALWAYS COME AFTER AIRSHIPS.

MOST OF THE TIME THE AIRSHIP COUNT IS A MULTIPLE OF THREE

SOMETIMES THE PATTERN RANDOMLY BREAKS

IN THE END, THERE IS A LOT OF LUCK INVOLVED

also Gambler is a fucking terrible class

>> No.1763063

>>1762882
you didn't see gambler when it could do no damage at all. gambler is good if you can use the slots well.

>> No.1763064

I think Giggles hit me so hard, that the server died.

>> No.1763069

>>1763064
Yeah.

>> No.1763078

>>1763064
yup lunar here

>> No.1763079

>>1763064
Thanks Anon.

>> No.1763085

Since when is Gilga so fucking hard anyways? Maybe our party makeups just suck.

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>>1738148
well i guess we needed a break anyways
think we'll get gilga?

>> No.1763090

>>1762664
top fucking kek

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>>1763087
Yes.

>> No.1763101

>>1763087
If he stops oneshotting my Ninja, we got him in the bag.

>> No.1763104

>>1763092
Did you beat him yet Zig?

pls fix server hk

>> No.1763106

>>1763101
if we get back you should try the back row
i only get nailed for 6-7k

>> No.1763107

>>1763104
Not yet.

>> No.1763120

of course now that im ready to play again the sever is down or something.

this game is straight crack, and i need another hit

>> No.1763125

I like to think this is the level of fun we're all having when we're playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S6aVCYBfr4

>> No.1763129

>>1763125
I wish.

>> No.1763135

server is back up

>> No.1763137

its werkin again guys, come join my huntress

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>>1763135
confirmed for true

>> No.1763318
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>>1762184

>> No.1763325

>>1763318
just noticed a blemish on my lift arm

>> No.1763832 [SPOILER] 
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1763832

The ultimate team

>> No.1763946

>>1763832
You bet. Until fucking instant party death. And I had just got a cool helmet.

>> No.1763959
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1763959

It was good. Need to sleep, though.

>> No.1763961

>>1763946
It's not guaranteed instant party death and you're supposed to be a 5-person party, we've clarified this in the thread. Don't get mad because you weren't prepared for it.

>> No.1763965

>>1763961
Yeah but I was prepared. Had five going in. Not debating this again. Will make sure to have mod get members back, though.

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1764003

>>1763832
>>1763946
>>1763959
>>1763961
>>1763965

hey im not gonna start a rage war about this. we lost 2 characters of 5 due to whatever circumstances, but the important part is we had FUN going as far as we did. we were just saddened we didnt make it to all the chests with just the 3 of us!

>> No.1764006
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>>1764003
I know I know. It was really close on some of those 3 man battles. Good tactical action.

>> No.1764239

Are there tooltips for what abilities / spells do in here, like in the real FF games?

>> No.1764242

>>1764239
Help tab at the top.

>> No.1764331

is the tail drop rate higher, lower, or the same as the original FF4?

The original drop rate was nightmarish for a tier 4 item

>> No.1764336

>>1764331
about the same. Sometimes you get lucky but usually you'll be farming for something for a while

but when you get it, it feels SOGOOD

>> No.1764681

Anybody wanna start fresh? Look for Hamhawk

>> No.1764952

I got an interesting problem, and was wondering if others have had it or can give insight.

For some reason, all my characters seem to be building up random stats, as well as the ones I'm focusing on. Like when I check the old man in the cave, he notes that they're all growing at a snail's pace alongside the ones I'm focusing on.

Any idea what's up? And how SoL am I for my 20 bonus points?

>> No.1764956

>>1764952
If you hit cancel in the stat allocation window it'll go back to random

>> No.1764971

>>1764956
Well then, that's not too good. Not sure of how BYOND works, but it would be swell if they could edit in a possible warning or second prompt when you click Cancel warning you of this.

Now to reset my stats, and use this newfound knowledge to the best as I grind for tails.

>> No.1764982

>>1764971
It's in the MOTD, i suggest giving it another once over because there is a lot of good info there

>> No.1765082
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1765082

Finally after many hours and while watching Evo it happens.

Feels good.

>> No.1765091

>>1765082
Congrats, Engibro. Hopefully it's worth all the hardship you've had trying to obtain it.

>> No.1767281

Could use some help with Rubicante if anyone's willing to get on

>> No.1767308

>>1767281
on my way

>> No.1768108
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1768108

Poor Zemus.

>> No.1768117 [DELETED] 

Why can't I ride the black chocobo? I can ride the others just fine.

>> No.1768118

>>1768117
Because you're racist

>> No.1768191

>>1768108
go away manlet

>> No.1768208

>>1768191
No ones carried more than this "Manlet Monk." Scum.

>> No.1768261

>>1768208
nobody is more annoying than you, is more like it. why don't you use a trip on here so I can ignore you here like I do in the game?

>> No.1768285

>>1768261
Lololololololol. Scrub.

>> No.1768376 [SPOILER] 
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1768376

what damage limit?

>> No.1768404

>>1768376
looks like people dropping out of parties in the middle of a fight causes some issues with numbers not going away

>> No.1768901

>>1768404
yeah causes all sorts of nonsense

also ive found that more than one person requesting and accepting position switchin within a party can create duplicate characters or eliminate characters from the party entirely

>> No.1769250
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1769250

Todays been fun

>> No.1769256
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1769256

>>1769250
Got to upload this ugly guy. My overworld is terrible, couldn't find a base so I did it by hand. Earthbound Zero lookin' shit

>> No.1769263

>>1769250
maybe RNGesus grace us

>> No.1769564
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1769564

the best party I have ever played with

you guys are fucking awesome

too bad FuutouShizune had to ruin our fun.

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1769651

Did I do that~

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>>1769651

>> No.1770491

>>1769564
>>1769651

How do you enable it to show who's account name is next to their character like in these screenshots?

Also, you expected any less from Rita Repulsa? The bailer of perfectly good /vr/ bonus dungeons, tainter of tains?

>> No.1770569

>>1770491
chat options, key display

>> No.1770583

Huzzah, their server blew up AND no staff around to fix it. Praise Zemus!

>> No.1770584

>>1770583
Damm, just started the game and its down.

>> No.1770592

>>1770584
Such is the power of me changing chat display mid battle.

Or someone finally used Twincast.

>> No.1770624

>>1770592
>changing chat display
permaban him.

>> No.1770625

>>1770583
host's internet may have gone down, it does that from time to time

>> No.1770932

Need my crack.

>> No.1770941

>>1770932
Pretty much this. How else will I know if I was or was not going to get a tail drop today?

Nobody gets tails. It's just a myth, or paladins.

>> No.1771007

>>1769651
Thanks Kori. I promise I'll never be as bad as Alex to be around. That's a nother whole level of asshole... random, unprovoked and uunappreciative.

>> No.1771035

>>1771007
You're only slightly better, don't get a big head because you're still annoying as fuck.

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1771048

giggle you gaiz make me laff. so fanny

>> No.1771067

is the server down? What happened?

>> No.1771089

I JUST GOT OFF WORK AND I WANT TO FUCKING MASTURBATE TO MY CHARACTER

>> No.1771093

>>1771089

For a second there I thought I was back in the Erotic Roleplaying General.

>> No.1771098

what's HKs phone number

>> No.1771129

It's back online

>> No.1771169

Do I have to make an account?

>> No.1771172

>>1771035
Eat a dick. 1v1 me irl.

>> No.1771738

Question for those in the know, but how good is the Holy from Asura's Rod?

I'm debating going Green Tail (Asura's Rod with Holy and +15 Wis/Will) or Yellow Tail (Nirvana with +15 VIT/WIS) due to the differences they can cover. Currently sitting on 42 VIT, so the +15 boost is a bit alluring from Nirvana, but if the Holy doesn't suck nearly as much as Stardust Rod's Comet, it would be amazing to have for single target mauling with a boosted 98 Will.

What do you guys recommend?

>> No.1771757

>>1771738
Holy does enough but because it's used as a normal attack it will never surpass the 9999 damage cap. In my experience it does about 3/4 what a regular holy spell would do (excluding cap) but considering that it's free, it's a fine item to grind for.

Also Nirvana is +15 VIT/WIL, not VIT/WIS

>> No.1771773

>>1771738
If I recall, both Wisdom and Will increase your magic resistance, so Asura's Rod will help you not die to spells more often.
Probably.

>> No.1771786

>>1771773
Only the highest of the two factor into MDef iirc.

>> No.1771798

>>1771757
Well fuck, it IS Wil. I must have just glanced at it and thought it was a good deal due to the VIT.

Now I've wasted the last two days farming the wrong dragon. Fuck me.

>>1771786
That's correct, the game bases it off your highest so you're not supercharged, or undercharged, and keeps it fair for melee characters.

And of course, thank you >>1771773 for your feedback as well.

>> No.1771814

>>1769256
That looks awesome! how long did it take to make??

>> No.1771824

>>1769564
Thanks, i had so much fun playing with you guys too!! who needs sleep??? lol

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>>1771824
>>1769564
forgot pic

GOOD TIMES! I KITTEN LOVE THIS GAME!

>> No.1772605

Did Dragoons get buffed yet?!

>> No.1772612
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welp

>> No.1772615
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don't mind me guys

>> No.1772623 [DELETED] 

Fuck the police

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Fuck the police

>> No.1773441

>>1772632
Keep breaking battles. Fuck Szen and Hk, right? Staff is the police and breaking battles can't be good for the game between reboots.

>> No.1773552
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1773552

>>1773441
>implying

>> No.1773768

>>1773441
yeah it only crashes the game, that's no big deal at all given how long it takes the host to get back up sometimes.

kill yourself.

>> No.1773879

>>1773441
>Being this literal

If you're looking for a place to showcase your autism, >>>/mlp/ is right that way.

It was a bug. I don't even know how to replicate it. Just thought it'd make a good screenshot.

>> No.1773943

Any newbies wanna play? Im lv9 dragoon.

>> No.1774129

>>1773768
Making the same point as the person you tell to kill themself. Classy.
>>1773879
Disliking a post seems to always go back to Autism now. You're certainly a piece to a different jumbled puzzle.

>> No.1774219

>>1774129
maybe my sarcasm detector is broken. it's hard to decipher sarcasm from text sometimes. my bad

>> No.1774231

Someone do shrine dungeon with me I'm so bored.

>> No.1775108

anybody doing anything?

>> No.1775114

>>1775108
Team /vr/ is about to fight Zeromus and get some Red Mage unlocks, after not getting Jumbo Summon.

>> No.1775523

>>1775114
some people in that fight had ONE JOB

thats all im gonna say...

>> No.1775536

>>1775523
bro you're the one who sucked

>> No.1775551

>>1775523
I think not being told we needed ribbons for that fight til halfway through Phase 3 didn't help our cause.

Not gonna give it up, starting tomorrow afternoon til Sunday night, my goal will be to take out Zeromus somehow and unlocking Red Mage. Grinding tails might factor in as well, since it's clear another trip into Bonus Dungeon will be needed.

>> No.1775725

Just looking for clarification, but the progress for endgame is like this.

>Hit 99
>Raid chests in bonus dungeon
>Able to fight Zeromus or super bosses with good party setups
>level new unlocked classes and rinse + repeat

That seems a bit backwards if it's honestly true, that to beat Zeromus, you need to go to the so called harder bonus dungeon first and get the better drops.

>> No.1775753

>>1775725
Tell me about it. Reaching the endgame is a real bummer.

>> No.1775837

>>1775725
You do not need the equipment from the bonus dungeon to beat Zeromus. Like all gear, having better stuff helps but it is far from a necessity. You'll want the equips that are on the moon but that's all you really need.

>> No.1775871

>>1775725
you don't need to. people were finishing Zeromus without that stuff for a long time. it just helps. the bosses inside of that dungeon are all on Zeromus's level too

>> No.1775970

>>1772612
>>1772615
>>1772632
If I could reliably duplicate this bug it'd probably be fixed already but I'm not sure what causes it. Part of it is linked to leaving parties during battle, which you shouldn't do anyway... though I know it's impossible to avoid disconnections. But removing the leave party verb during battles would make things even more annoying.

>> No.1775975

A list of droppable equipment would be amazing. Stuff is always dropping and I have no way to see the stats on them.

>> No.1776012

>>1775975
Did you look at the equip list? Help -> Equip list
it doesn't say what monsters drop certain things because a lot of them are secret

>> No.1776398

This game sucks, I beat the mist dragon as a Level 5 monk with about 20 potions. Nobody said a damn thing too.

>> No.1776528

>>1775551
dont feel bad. i found out about the ribbon the exact same way!

>> No.1777275

>>1775725
its not necessary
but it helps alot and prepares you for strategy

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>>1776398
you don't like you don't buy

>> No.1777313 [SPOILER] 
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Restores 500 MP? Seems kinda fishy....

>> No.1779494

did anyone elses game just freeze?

>> No.1779559

>>1779494
Ya -w- I guess the game is dawn again

>> No.1779631

>>1779494
>>1779559
ya i cant log in either :(

>> No.1779663

I just found this thread, is someone still playing it?

>> No.1779672

>>1779663
yeah tons of players still play but i think the server might be down right now

>> No.1779832

Since the server is down, I got nothing better to do than to give some constructive feedback in the case that HK or Szen should happen over here again.

First, I would recommend removing global storage from Zeromus as the reward, and instead place it on the main map similar to Cactuar Island, requiring you to have the airship and already to have beaten the bulk of the game's content. Once you gain airship, the only thing left is Demon Wall > Asura > Giant > Odin > Grind to 99, and that's also the point where I've noticed many players are "stuck" at, due to levels being too varied. If someone's leveling an alt up, they would at least have the option then to move a possibly farmed tail over or other weapon drop to make it much easier on the lower level character. It's also honestly an inconvience to have to gather at least one other person, then spend 10-15 minutes grinding through core battles, til you can get down to the bank to toss this or that into, you know?

Secondly, I believe that Zemus should be a seperate fight from the Zeromus battles. As it stands, it's a long string of actually challenging battles, and repeating it can eat up a good chunk of time, especially if you get unlucky with RNG Stops happening. It happens, but having to refight through the core battles, through the first two forms, and wittling his third down once more for the third or so time if your group is that dedicated isn't all that fun or practical, when you think about it. I would recommend having the first Zemus used as a gateway to the bonus dungeon, since you could get nasty with him that way, and also would give purpose to core chests and items, as many players seem to try to organize runs to the bonus dungeon to beat Zero by stacking better gear.

>> No.1779835

>>1779832
From there, I'd put Zeromus up in the bonus dungeon as another gateway lock, since I wanna say there were multiple floor levels in there, and even if there wasn't, just have him block the path til you beat him proper, Mist Dragon style. His level of challenge would feel appropriate in this fashion, in my opinion, as people would need to put their serious faces on, and seeing as the other bosses in bonus dungeon unlock classes, he's perfect.

I would like to propose some kind of system to guarantee a tail drop from the dragons, if possible, since 00.195% drop rate is painful for those weapons. Easiest solution is to pull a FF6 and have boss dragons either hidden around til conditions are met, or just slap one of each color super charged in the bonus dungeon with boss status. Would give more content for people to work towards, flesh out the bonus dungeon more, while nixing one of the more vocal complaints people have with the game. If they wanted to still grind the old fashion way to beat things with an earlier boost in power, it exists, but it gives people a more sane option to pursue gear.

>> No.1779838

>>1779835
Last on my laundry list of things for consideration, how about a trade system? I feel that if there was a weighted gil taxed item trade system, it could benfit players, while giving gil a purpose outside of being Gambler / Time Mage unlock fodder, once you've maxed out your items. Something like Player A runs out of items to spam deep in a dungeon, and people don't want to warp out, Player B could offer to give them some of their excess, while both players get charged maybe x2 - x4+ or so of the shop value of the item? Mostly just trying to build you guys up to letting Player A trade like a Blue Tail to Player B, and they both have to pay like 5M-10M to the server to complete it, making it where people will still be on as they have to grind gil, populating the chats and server, while also severely limiting it so people like Dythos can't just BiS his entire party within seconds, you know?

>> No.1779859

>>1779838
BiS?

>> No.1779861

>>1779859
Best in Slot, stuff like Rage of Halone / Adamant armor pieces and all that.

>> No.1780164

>>1777313
It's for the summoners. Using it allows you to cast Goblin. For everyone else it's literally worthless. Using it just removes it from your inventory.

>> No.1780174

>>1779832
>>1779835
>>1779838
Just another player, not anyone important. Only thing I'd agree to here is the global storage being more accessible. Everything else seems like you'd make the game too easy.

>> No.1780202

I wish we had a server to mess with, since clearly I'm addicted by this point.

>>1780174
Oh, nothing wrong with that. That's why I figured I'd put it all out as a list of ideas I've had while playing, since some like the storage are honestly good, others are more wishful and design slanted, to an extent.

If storage ever was moved to a more accessible location, I'd probably recommend that they maybe consider a FF4 tradition and put the dev room after Zero, since it could be fun. Unless it's already in this, then my bad.

Boss dragons though, I still wouldn't mind that being a thing. It would basically cause them to make and put in... 8 or 9 new bosses, which people would have to be geared for and have a party, and have a desirable reward. Maybe make the fight requirement like how Hunter has Killer effects, where you have to kill x amount before you can fight like say... Gold Dragon. MMOs do this where bosses can drop something from higher content, while at the same time you build currency up that lets you buy it if you're that unlucky, so it's a nice balance, if you understand what I mean.

Extra endgame content is always welcome in my book.

>> No.1780256

>>1779861
if daidouji is an admin weapon then there's no way rage isn't. but also no class uses scimitars.

What's BiS for swords? Galantine or Cactus Jack?

>> No.1780273

>>1779832
Rubicant average fight level parties of 2-3 is roughly 40. So 42+ you'll likely have an airship. Moving global storage to a flying location would give level 42+ players access to end game gear every run past the first. Stupid as fuck. HK and Szen said a no teleport global bank walk and Zero kill is the price of having a global bank. "Deal with it." They were upset as hell at even suggesting teleport access to the bank or a short cut for people who have access to it.

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of course the servers offline on my day off
fuuuuuuuu

>> No.1780401

HK here.

Game is back up.

>> No.1780518

>>1780256
I think Galantine is better but you're pretty much a personal wrecking crew if you have either.

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1780659

I'll probably throw this in the actual suggestion verb later but I do have a recommendation of my own. That would be to clarify in the equip list which classes can use which type of equipment (Just a small master list at the top of the brackets, not needed in every single row)

Also an addendum to that would be to specify which equips are admin-only and which aren't so people aren't trying to work towards something unachievable by standard means (including the ever-insanely impractical tier-4 Archimus drops) and wasting more time than necessary to improve their character.

>>1780202

Just to clarify, there is a 2004-2006 dev room for the original Final Fantasy Legacy carried over into remnants (Nielz, Loud and whoever else was on the staff at that time. None of the current staff are in that dev room to my knowledge)

The location is the same as in FFIV from the secret passage in that bar inside dwarf castle

Hope that helps. Pic very related.

>> No.1781027

>>1780659
As for which gear is admin-only, read the message of the day. It clearly says what pieces of gear are unavailable to obtain.

As far as clarifying what classes can equip what gear, see this post:
>>1757696

And you can tell what types of gear your class can equip by the time you get into Baron on your character. The only weapon type not sold in Baron is an axe.

>> No.1782609

did server just die again? fucking hell man

>> No.1782614

Server pls

>> No.1782618

>>1782609
It's dead. Hopefully not like yesterday where it was down for 10-12 hours.

>> No.1782620

>>1782609
>>1782614
>>1782618
Host's connection is down. It'll be a little bit. Probably not 10-12 hours though unless the outage takes that long to fix.

>> No.1782626

>>1782620
>>1782618
>>1782614
looks like it's back up

>> No.1782627
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1782627

Well, it wasn't as if we would've been able to beat Asura anyways.

>> No.1782628

>>1782620
Thanks for the timely response, since I honestly didn't expect anything close to official about it, just a bunch of people griping about needing our fix.

>> No.1782661

Am I crazy or are the graphics for this REALLY choppy? Not sure if this is just a byond thing or me.

>> No.1782670

>>1782661
It's a BYOND thing, but the game actually plays at 40FPS now with the last update. It was running at like 15 before that...

>> No.1782678

rip the dream

>> No.1782679

Server down? I just led a monk into certain death and ditched him and I feel really bad right now

>> No.1782684

>>1782679
Seems so... was the monk Torp?

>> No.1782691
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1782691

Szen here

Looks like the server is having some stability issues right now and I'm not too sure why, I can have HK look at it but I'm not sure if it's related to the game itself or to the host's connection right now.

>> No.1783493

Is there a way to determine when an Alchemist item's are leveled up?

>> No.1783934

>>1783493
It varies based on the item.

Aside from Hermes' Sandals, the buff items tend to not upgrade until 99 though.

Other items evolve at certain breakpoints. Like Potion -> Hi-Potion when the recovery increases to match that strength. The growth of their items however, is softcapped at 2x your level so they don't become too powerful too soon.

>> No.1784379

Hey /vr/o's is there anyway to play this game now? I cant find it on byond. I'm a first timer for this but I fucking love FF4 and would love to play this with you guys.

>> No.1784447

I just started a sage, I need some bros to roll with.

>> No.1784513

>>1784379
How to connect is quite literally in the OP dude

>> No.1784559

>>1784513
I know man but the game isnt on the byond site anymore was it taken down? I cant find anything about this online.

>> No.1784582

>>1784559
You only asked if there was a way to play the game and I told you

But since you're info-greedy, FFL was taken down by a C&D from square a couple years ago, so it is now privately hosted

>> No.1784653

Trying to enjoy this but it's just so slow paced...

>> No.1785018

ded?

>> No.1785019

Elgo confirmed for server killing bug?

>> No.1785024

was just inside the gundam of babil, did the server self detonate before we could reach the cpu?

>> No.1785027

>>1784653
wait your turn

>> No.1785049

>>1785018
dad

>> No.1785223

Guess the server couldn't believe someone wanted to actually play Gambler, and bellied up.

>> No.1785225

>>1785223
jace wolf reporting in

>> No.1785226

server pls

>> No.1785228

Nooo we were about to shit on Ashura

>> No.1785229
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1785229

>start to fight asura with a decent party
>the server shits itself

>> No.1785236

>>1785229
>>1785228

Actually, that happened to us as well last night. We were in Asura and then the server died.

In semi related note, while my party was having a chest opening marathon, somehow the prompt for the stat allocation NPC popped up admist it and I accidentally reset my stats in the middle of a dungeon. I think something is going a bit boom somewhere.

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game is still fun

>> No.1785252
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1785252

my party was right about to go delirious from heat stroke while searching to peyote humanoids in the desert...

someone let me know when the server gets Life2'ed. Ill be outside smoking

>> No.1785257

My first jumbo. Of course I was completely unprepared.

>> No.1785361

It's back.

>> No.1785362

>>1785252
its black, kids

>> No.1785369

Game is back, baby.

>> No.1785964

This thread is auto saging now, so new thread is here >>1785962

>> No.1786770

>>1785964
You don't decide when threads end scrub.