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I think this game is a good addition to the DOOM franchise. Though I'm positive the controls on the PC feel much better than the N64 controller, there were options in the game that allowed you to make your controller setup as exhaustively comprehensive as it needed to be. I think enemy placement, level design and difficulty were up to standard like the other games.

The dark ambient tracks and dark corridors were a real nice touch too.

>> No.1733075

>>1733071
Probably my favorite Doom game. Come at me.

>> No.1733093

>>1733071
I prefer the PS1 Doom, but 64 had some nice levels and I'm a sucker for dark atmosphere and Aubrey Hodges, so this one was right up my alley.

>> No.1733094

>>1733071
the true Doom 3 in my opinion.

>> No.1733109

>>1733075
Same here. I had hopes that Doom 3 would follow the same natural progression path, but they fucked it all up.

>> No.1733118

>>1733094
>the true Doom 3 in my opinion.
this

>> No.1733129

>>1733071

I find it super boring. I like Doom 1, 2 and the expansions more.

>> No.1733142

>>1733071
I thought most people liked DOOM 64. It even has PC wads now.

>> No.1733631

>>1733071
>>1733142
It's good, but it feel more like Quake 1 than Doom.
It was also Doom 3 before Doom 3, but also for the wrong reason. We make fun of Doom 3 because how dark it is, yet, we say nothing when Doom 64 is maybe even worse about this.

>> No.1734183

>>1733631
>It's good, but it feel more like Quake 1 than Doom.
I completely agree with this.

>> No.1734189

I actually really liked the levels and spriteworks in this.

I played it last and thought it was a really good blend of Doom3's dark ambiente and the action packed gameplay of Doom 1 and 2

>> No.1734197

>>1733071
This boring turd was just the prelude to Doom 3.

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1734201

>>1734189
>and spriteworks in this.

>> No.1734207

I only got to the last boss and it kept beating the leaving shit out of me. I vaguely remember something about an ultimate weapon you get by discovering certain secret levels. Is this needed to kill the boss? Or am I just shit? That thing really slapped my shit.

Really great shooter though. The atmosphere was incredibly lonely and oppressive. I really did feel like I was all alone and against the odds.

>> No.1734258

>>1733071
>Though I'm positive the controls on the PC feel much better than the N64 controller
You can play it on PC now through a port.

>> No.1734821

>>1734207

You're just shit.

Naw, I'm just kidding. The laser gun can be upgraded by three satanic medallions you get from the secret levels, which will literally kill the boss in a couple of seconds. The medallions also allow you to close the three portals in the arena, making the last battle against the mother demon much easier.

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>>1733071

I liked this game, but I feel like it was missing something very important.

>> No.1735470

>>1734258
Oh no shit? How bout that

>> No.1735808

>>1733071
DId Hodges also do the soundtrack to Quake II 64? I liked that game just as much as this one.

>> No.1735875

>>1733631
>We make fun of Doom 3 because how dark it is
No, we make fun of Doom 3 because it's a cinematic linear corridor shooter. The "loldark" thing is just a meme. Doom 1 and 2 had plenty of dark parts too.

>> No.1735879

>>1734832
Holy shit I've seen this image I don't know how many times, and I just noticed the archvile

>> No.1735892
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1735892

Doom 64 is the real Doom 3. 1v1 me fgt I'll rip n tear ur guts m8

>> No.1735895

>>1734189
>I actually really liked the levels and spriteworks in this.

The 3D floors aren't done with sprites. BUILD works that way. The modified Doom engine used for D64 doesn't.

>> No.1735965

Only playable via the PC port. The N64 controller is ass.

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1735969

It's wonderfully atmospheric. The "music" is fucking masterful.

>> No.1735973

>>1735892
This is pretty much the agreed upon by everybody. Doesn't help that 64 is an actual sequel while 3 is a reboot.

>> No.1736205

>>1735808
According to the wiki it was made by a professional sound team known as Sonic Mayhem... Apparantly they're responsible for quake arena, and hell gate: london.

>> No.1736259

>>1733071
>Though I'm positive the controls on the PC feel much better than the N64 controller,
Not really. Doom actually probably lends itself better to the n64 controller than a keyboard.

>> No.1736261

>>1736259

lol no

>> No.1736263

>>1736261
I bet you're one of those fags that plays doom with mouselook.

>> No.1736709

>>1735470
Doom64 EX. You have to have the IWAD dumped from the N64 cartridge (DOOM64.WAD & DOOMSND.SF2), though. It's pretty cool and still in active development. There's also multiplayer planned...

>> No.1737015

>>1733631
Clearly Doom 64 is the 64'th game in the series. Doom 3 should really be named Doom 65.

>> No.1737045

>>1736263
>john romero is a fag now

>> No.1737065

>>1737045
>now

>> No.1737078

>>1733631
It feels realms different than Quake and is easily like a more tweaked DOOM with a different aesthetic.

>> No.1737083

>>1737015
ouga bouga

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>>1733075
It's not my favorite Doom game, but I think it's overall the best set of official levels. It doesn't have the high peaks of classic stuff like E1 or the best Doom 2 maps, but it doesn't really have any bad maps either. I can warp just about any level and enjoy it.

>> No.1737103

>>1734201
Hey now. I don't care for most of the monsters but the Pain Elemental looks pretty freaky and cool. Better than the meatball-caco version.

>>1734207
My strategy for beating that boss was to circle-strafe like a madman during all the spawning, finally wearing down the horde and trying to make sure I had a good stock of life/armor left. 100+ for each, at least. Then when the boss spawns, I just charge the mother holding down the BFG button and tank the damage until it dies in like 3-4 shots. Grabbing the soul sphere on the boss platform helps.

>> No.1737110

>>1737103
I should add, the reason I switched to this technique (which is pretty reliable) is because whenever I tried to move around and dodge, the boss slapped my shit without me doing much damage to it. Those fireballs are a pain in the ass to dodge. So I decided to just take it in the face and get close enough to let all those sweet BFG rays hit home.

>> No.1737148

>>1737045
Eh, Romero was always kind of a fag.

N64 controller is shit.

>> No.1738806

>>1737092
It's nice that they worked the lighting out, the levels look and feel so much better than Goldeneye for example.

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1739873

>>1734197
You mean it wasn't fitting/comfortable for this game in particular, or are you just being a baiting faggot?

>> No.1739879

>>1739873
misquote, meant for >>1737148 and
>>1735965

>> No.1740174

>>1739873
N64 controller is a clunky piece of shit with a shitty analog stick that is prone to breaking.

I do not miss it in the slightest and I never wish that other controllers would replicate anything about it.

No bait, it's just shit and that is my opinion that you don't need to share.

>> No.1740228

>>1733071
I downloaded the PC port at /vr/'s request.

It sucks.

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1740328

>>1740228

>> No.1740342

>>1733071
It was very odd and out of place, but still an interesting entry to Doom. It was like, Doom Grimdark Edition. Which certainly kind of works, the original games had pretty garish palettes (which wasn't a problem, even if it made everything look cartoony).

Also, the intro scene was FUCKING AWESOME:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuOqUAyup6M

>> No.1740581

>>1740228
Suck a bag of dicks. At /vr/'s request.

>> No.1740615

>>1740581
Nah, I'll leave it to you m8.

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1740624

>>1740615
right, here's what I rounded up, do with them what you will

>> No.1740681

>>1740624
good job rounding up a big of dicks m8 lol

>> No.1740751

Question: was this game rumble Pak compatible?

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1740856

>>1740681
ty m9 cheers

>> No.1740858

>>1736205
No, that was the PC version. N64 Q2 was definitely Hodges again.

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1740885

>yfw Doom 64 is the fastest doom game
>yfw SR50 is over 40% slower than standard neutral reset forward with strafe left/right + speed (used for general movement)
>yfw SR50 is almost 70% slower than neutral reset diagonal strafe running (used for large gap jumps)

>> No.1740909

>>1740885
>>yfw Doom 64 is the fastest doom game
lol no
All the projectils in 64 is way slower than the original.

>> No.1740913

>>1740909
I think he meant movement speed wise

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1740928

>>1740885
The demons got really nice updates; except the Cacodemon, which got shit all over.

>> No.1740936

>>1740913
still wrong

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1740939

>>1740936
>implying

>> No.1740974

>>1740939
It's fast, but still not as fast as doomguy running in Doom 1/2.

>> No.1741073

>>1740928
At least it's not dangerously close to a copyright infrigement anymore.

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1741216

>>1740928

I would have like to have seen what Revvies and Archi-Viles would have looked like in Doom 64.

>> No.1741482

>>1740939

nigga do you even sr50?

>> No.1742141

>>1741073
Did D&D ever did sue ID software for that or no?

>> No.1742773

>>1733093
>I prefer the PS1 Doom

I STILL don't understand the love for PS1 Doom. I played it thought it was just a watered down version of the PC version, with different sound/music that, while cool, don't actually suit the semi-cartoonish graphics.

>> No.1743236

>>1740928
>>1737103
The pain elemental also got that freaky new wakeup sound that is like an evil chuckle. Fits the creepy new look, maybe a little too quiet, but is a good "oh shit" warning sound.

>> No.1744128

This guys really does kick ass.
http://www.aubreyhodges.com/category/music/

>> No.1744131

>>1744128
Why did console versions have separate soundtracks?

>> No.1745410

>>1744131
>PS1
No idea, guess they just wanted to change it.
>N64
New everything for a new game.

>> No.1745457

I had absolutely no problem with the control in Doom 64. I don't know what some of you are whining about. I know some people really hate the N64 controller, but Doom 64 did control very well and comfortably on it.

>> No.1745546

>>1733631
Quake 1 had jumping, map designs with huge emphasis on verticality, and Trent Reznor ost. I got none of these in Doom 64.

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1745624

>>1742141
I'm not sure if it was close enough for the Astral Dreadnought for them to have to settle it in court?

>> No.1745948

>>1745624
Are you kidding me? That thing looks exactly like the Cacodemon. Even has the pink mustache and strange looping flesh. Way too alike to be a misunderstanding, though the artist for Doom probably didn't expect the game to be big anyways.

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Bridge illusion trigger in slow motion

>> No.1746406

>>1745546
>map designs with huge emphasis on verticality,
just like Doom 64

>> No.1746742

>>1745546
I would not say Q1 maps have a "huge" emphasis on verticality. Architecturally they have some neat structures here and there, but combat tends to stay near eye level or a little above (like 1 story up).

>>1746406
It really doesn't. Doom 64 maps tend to be more claustrophobic than Doom 1 and especially 2, so you really don't have many situations with enemies on high ledges or anything like that. Something like The Spiral is the exception rather than the rule.

>> No.1746772

>>1746137
Neat. Looks similar to the technique used in regular Doom to make a fake bridge, not sure if there is a separate Doom 64 feature used to complete the effect.

http://www.doomworld.com/tutorials/fx7.php

>> No.1746780

>>1746772
Whoops, wrong link, that bridge isn't over/under.

http://www.doomworld.com/tutorials/fx10.php

>> No.1746869

>>1745948
It doesn't have a body and that makes it an important enough distinktion together with the name that they can feign ignorance.

DnD also steals a lot of their ideas from other sources as well.

>> No.1748809

I recommend playing Ultimate Simplicity for zdoom.

It's very handsome and sex.

>> No.1750957

>>1736263
what about 2d mouselook?

>> No.1752779

>>1733071
i like the atmosphere more in this one. art is more doom-like, sounds also contribute a lot to it.

original doom zombies look too cartoonish to me.

>> No.1753152

Doom64 was a great expansion of the established Doom universe.
Downsides are the laughable artwork of some monsters(pinky being an exception), the Quake like "support" clutter which is totally non Doom and the limitations of cartridge space. Other than that the quality of the maps, atmosphere and lighting is great.

>> No.1753180

I've played a few levels of the EX PC port, and I gotta say, it's really great.
My only qualms are that the camera is positioned too low (it feels like the camera is in Doomguy's chest) and that the classic HUD isn't there, but maybe Doomguy's expressive face would've broken immersion.
Otherwise, it's an amazing sci-fi horror FPS that feels like it was both what Doom wanted to be and what Dead Space should've been

The real Doom 3, for sure

>> No.1753251

>>1746869
The bodyless bit makes it seem like a beholder and besides it's the artist that would sue not TSR.

>> No.1753319

>>1753152
>Quake like "support" clutter
What? You mean like pillars and stuff?

>> No.1754316

>>1753180
>My only qualms are that the camera is positioned too low (it feels like the camera is in Doomguy's chest)

It's made on purpose, so that they appear taller than you. Actually works since it makes the cyberdemon look even bigger.

>> No.1754454

>>1754316
It just irks me that the imps and zombies and shotgun guys are so much taller now
Pinkies and cyberdemon, whatever, but the camera is still too low for my tastes
maybe someone will remake a PC version with an option for that sort of thing, I dunno

>> No.1754591

>>1754454
>>1753180
I don't think the camera is much lower, or if it is, it doesn't make the sprites look that much taller. I just tested it in EX and regular Doom 2, and in both cases when you walk right up to a zombie guy your eye height (midscreen) is at his chest. Imps easily touch the top of the screen at point blank.

It might be a LITTLE lower in Doom 64 but I'm not seeing a huge change.

>> No.1757457

>>1733071

DOOM